Heads are exploding today, get popcorn. Here are some of the best emotionaly based reactions from the climate alarmist squad.
Here’s billionaire climate activist Tom Steyer saying it’s a “traitorous act of war”. Yeah, right.
If Trump pulls the US out of the #ParisAgreement he will be committing a traitorous act of war against the American people. My statement: pic.twitter.com/Qjgxm4fELp
— Tom Steyer (@TomSteyer) May 29, 2017
“Scientific” American thinks the future is dead trees, everywhere:
What will the world look like if the U.S. bails on the Paris climate deal? https://t.co/ywfDw3PmEg pic.twitter.com/ARE4u7zCmm
— Scientific American (@sciam) June 1, 2017
Neil Degrasse-Tyson thinks Trump is just too stupid.
If I and my advisors had never learned what Science is or how & why it works, then I’d consider pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord too.
— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) June 1, 2017
So does Carbon Brief Editor Leo Hickman, though he’s got a bit of an ego problem to think Trump should read his stuff:
Slowly dawning on me Trump has NEVER ONCE read Carbon Brief's exhaustive, explanatory journalism on Paris Agreement https://t.co/3T51ogDD9S
— Leo Hickman (@LeoHickman) June 1, 2017
He also helpfully provided Weepy Bill McKibben’s nutty op-ed:
Op-ed by @billmckibben in NYT on Trump's exit from Paris Agreement https://t.co/KWYWjiBLtx pic.twitter.com/g2fP9K9MQc
— Leo Hickman (@LeoHickman) June 1, 2017
Bill McKibben provided a flag and a funeral:
My essay in the NYT on Paris withdrawal: 200 years of science and 20 years of diplomacy blown up by an ignorant man https://t.co/j1myoS3wRr
— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) June 1, 2017
The other Leo must have been crying on his mega-yacht:
Today, our planet suffered. It’s more important than ever to take action. #ParisAgreement https://t.co/FSVYRDcGUH
— Leonardo DiCaprio (@LeoDiCaprio) June 1, 2017
The execrably ugly Michael Moore:
USA to Earth: FUCK YOU
— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) June 1, 2017
Trump just committed a crime against humanity. This admitted predator has now expanded his predatory acts to the entire planet. #ParisAccord
— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) June 1, 2017
You think that’s bad? Mr. Sulu goes full-retard:
Trump is having the U.S. pull out of the Paris Climate Accord. Too bad someone didn't tell his father that he shoulda pulled out, too.
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) June 1, 2017
Buh bye! Going to pay back all that money you got from the government anytime soon?
Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 1, 2017
Apparently, this is a Golden opportunity to play the race-card, according to the ACLU:
Pulling out of the Paris Agreement would be a massive step back for racial justice, and an assault on communities of color across the U.S.
— ACLU (@ACLU) June 1, 2017
The mayor of Pittsburgh was apparently not happy that Trump said: “I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris.”
As the Mayor of Pittsburgh, I can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the Paris Agreement for our people, our economy & future. https://t.co/3znXGTcd8C
— bill peduto (@billpeduto) June 1, 2017
Robert Preston channels Trump Via cartoonist “Matt”:
Matt sums up Trump on climate change best, of course pic.twitter.com/UNsAWLB83h
— Robert Peston (@Peston) June 1, 2017
Al Gore, still boring:
My statement on Today’s Decision by the Trump Administration to Withdraw from the Paris Agreement: https://t.co/eDEFv5b1nS pic.twitter.com/SzHJU3D0Mr
— Al Gore (@algore) June 1, 2017
Hollywood actress Patricia Arquette suggested a class-action lawsuit against Trump’s decision to stop participating in what is an entirely voluntary and non-binding agreement.
Serious question- Can millions of people launch a class action suit if the US pulls out of Paris accord for negligence? #ParisAccord
— Patricia Arquette (@PattyArquette) May 31, 2017
Useless actor Mark Ruffalo: waaaahhh! At least Kathy Griffin shut-up.
Shame on you @realDonaldTrump as people lose their lives, homes and economic opportunities to your childish refusal to honor #ParisAgreement
— Mark Ruffalo (@MarkRuffalo) June 1, 2017
Obama, Zzzzz:
Statement from Barack Obama on the Paris Climate Agreement pic.twitter.com/SQc6kQV0Ah
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) June 1, 2017
One of Pope Francis’s right-hand men “Crux” said it would be “a slap in the face” to the Vatican if Trump did not continue with the agreement. Maybe the Pope could turn the other cheek?
#Vatican official says #Trump leaving Paris deal would be ‘slap in the face’ — by @inesanma https://t.co/AnCIvSrvbB pic.twitter.com/3WtArxPCHs
— Crux (@Crux) June 1, 2017
Al-Ed reacts:
Dear 🌍: we can't speak for everyone, but we speak for most – we're sorry, we're embarrassed, he doesn't speak for all of us. #parisagreement pic.twitter.com/RlijdlX4uL
— Alt Dept of ED (@Alt_DeptofED) June 1, 2017
This eco-green grassroots organizer said Trump’s announcement will prevent everyone from living on planet earth. We are dead already. Who knew?
Trump just declared war on the very idea of life on earth 🙁https://t.co/9KQ8yyZ384@LeoDiCaprio @JohnFugelsang @johncusack @MarkRuffalo
— Trita Parsi (@tparsi) June 1, 2017
Joltin Joe Room tries the scare tactic of showing Florida flooded:
Trump falsely claims Paris deal has a minimal impact on warming https://t.co/ppy5jZrHg7 pic.twitter.com/baU4wQIM7U
— Climate Power (@ClimatePower) June 1, 2017
There is no Planet B. This disastrous decision threatens the world our children and children’s children will live in. #ParisAgreement
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) June 1, 2017
Maybe the most ridiculous one is this map from the Sierra Club. They probably need to work on their color scheme.
If Trump is pulling out of Paris, he is turning his back on the public in every single US state. #ParisAgreement pic.twitter.com/fKklVX6kCr
— Sierra Club (@SierraClub) June 1, 2017
The Huffington Post is predictably huffy and puffy:
HuffPo right now: "TRUMP TO PLANET: DROP DEAD" pic.twitter.com/q2pSyy805h
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) June 1, 2017
This one is just psychotic, IMHO:
https://twitter.com/mims/status/870367084609515521
Josh sums it up pretty well after I chided Leo Hickman for thinking Trump should read his work::
It was a good speech tho wasn't it. pic.twitter.com/eViQ0d9WNK
— Josh (@Cartoonsbyjosh) June 1, 2017
UPDATE:
A new addition, Andrew Freedman from Mashable who once penned a ridiculous piece on sea-level, complete with a flooded runway, forgetting that airplanes can move faster than water:
https://twitter.com/afreedma/status/870425624967606272
I’m not the least bit ashamed of my reply:
The get the hell out! Really, get out. I'm tired of your anti-American BS. But like all the hollowood liberals who claimed they wud, u won't
— Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) June 2, 2017
John Bolton nails it in this clip from today.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5456566516001/?#sp=show-clips
WOW, that is hitting the nail on the head..thanx
Who the hell are all these people anyhow. Never ever heard of most of them.
You should compare that sierra club red/blue map of the USA, with the red/blue by COUNTIES who voted for President of the United States;was it 95 to 5 for red: blue ??
There are only 435 people whose votes count for President of the USA, and they went mostly red. The FBI are still looking for the one of them who the Russians told to vote for Bernie Sanders.
Never have figured out what the (F) sands for.
G
they are virtue signalling clueless nonentities that unfortunately have a significant amount of influence over large numbers of even less well known virtue signalling clueless nonentities. the good thing is the majority of the worlds population realises these people are generally ill informed narcissistic liars .
Now, it is up to the people of those cities and states to reject the policies of their city and state leaders. It’s amazing that they think they can go against everything that reasonable. But, the citizens will determine what they do. Certain states, with California as our socialist crash test dummy for socialism, and New York the crash test dummy for destabilizing the energy supply with green energy, will lead the way, so that other states can see which way NOT OT GO.
I wonder if Pittsburgh will pay its “fair share” under Paris, it would probably work out to be in the millions annually.
This was quit entertaining and educational of the ignorance of this agreement regardless!
Mayor of Miami, who thinks he “centrist” roflmao
A far-left brain-washed hack, at best.
The pathetic dodging of the question says it all.
One track mind, with zero reality.
Unfortunately, whenever you hear someone define themselves as centrist, you know that are almost certainly very left of centre.
The mayor also acknowledged the existence of some “global democracy”! From my vantage point in Europe all I can say is good luck with that.
As an American I might have to question the mayor’s understanding of the US Constitution.
The mayor also acknowledged the existence of some “global democracy”! From my vantage point in Europe all I can say is good luck with that.
As an American I might have to question the mayor’s understanding of the US Constitution.
The mayor of Miami might do well to read https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/07/miamis-vice/ and possibly hire Kip Hansen to run his engineering department.
Here’s your link to the Tucker Carlson show, Chris (thanks to ossqss).
Notice the Miami mayor never mentions that the land is being flooded because the land is sinking, he implies that the sea level is rising because of Global Warming/CAGW.
And Tucker Carlson does not seem to be aware that the water might be flooding the land for reasons other than Global Warming/CAGW. He allowed the mayor’s implication to stand as the truth. Tucker needs to bone up on sea level rise and its causes in order to be able to debunk these CAGW narratives.
A global democracy, run by people who were never elected by anyone.
Not unaware, just a debate tactic. “You say we have a problem. OK, fine. How would this agreement fix it?”
Arguing about the problem would sidetrack the point he is trying to make.
A correction:
This guy, Phillip Levine, is the Mayor of Miami BEACH, not of Miami. The Mayor of Miami is Tomas Regalado. They are separate and distinct municipalities. Miami Beach is on the barrier island that creates the northeastern edge of Biscayne Bay. The city of Miami is located to the west, on the mainland, across Bay. Both cities are in Miami Dade County, which also has a separate head, also called ‘mayor.’
wActually, I LOVE the idea that local government wants to continue on with the Paris Agreement. Cities and states do not have the infinitely funded checking account, and when they institute their draconian methods to comply with global governing, the fast dwindling tax base will revolt and move away from these misguided individuals. Only then will people begin to comprehend the true cost in trying to reduce the global temperature by 0.05 degrees 70 years from no
And an uncertainty of 0.08°C on the “mesure” of global temperature is the best estimate….So carbocentrists wanna spend billions $ for a zero result.
IMO as a frenchie
What a quaint idea.
I completely concur with former ambassador Bolton. Also, we are in for cooling now, not warming. Here in Finnmark, Norway, summer is already 2 – 3 weeks delayed. Freezing temperatures for 2 weeks now, 2-3 deg centigrade on average. Thick cloud cover. Cold wind. Snow and hailstorms. Just 3 years ago, we had temperatures in the mid 20s in the middle of the day at this point. The dimming of the sun has begun.
John Bolton:
Spot on !! That is the key process that this whole farcical “debate”, which has been falsely presented as “science”, is all about unelected international ‘governance’. aka world government.
Thank you John Bolton.
These people have far too many finger toys. Don’t they realize that you can’t play with your toys, if you have you fingers up your A*** all the time.
The only good thing about all of this pre-occupation with whether we will see 30 milli-degrees rise by the turn of the century is that it gives the FBI and CNN a break from trying to identify the one of 435 USA Electoral College Electors, that the Russians told to vote for Bernie Sanders.
So what’s with the NSA giving National Security Secrets to Contractors. Why is not every single person at the NSA a full time salaried Federal employee.
If the TSA can require airport security persons to all be US citizens and Federal Employees, you would think that the NSA would pay attention to their protecting the Nation’s security.
Duzzat really mean NO Security Atall ??
G
PS; Izzat election donnybrook all about the media and the Clintonistas trying to keep the USA voters in the dark, about all the illegal skullduggery she was up to. So she wanted the saps to believe she was all squeaky clean so they would in their ignorance vote her into power again. Wasn’t she already President twice ??
The guy has a sack
Oh, what a beautiful morning,
Oh, what a beautiful day …
I love Paris in the springtime
I love Paris in the fall
I love Paris in the winter when it drizzles
I love Paris in the summer when it sizzles
I love Paris every moment
Every moment of the year
I love Paris
Why, oh, why do I love Paris?
Because my Trump is near
Non, rien de rien,
Non, je ne regrette rien,
Car ma vie, car ma joies,
Aujourd’hui, ca commence avec toi!
J’attendrai le jour et la nuit
J’attendrai toujours ton retour
J’attendrai car l’oiseau qui s’enfuit
Vient chercher l’oubli dans son nid
Le temps passe et court en battant tristement.
French version of an Italian song, sung by a French-Italian young woman a year before the outbreak of WWII, apropos considering Paris and the Pope.
[One version translated.
I will wait day and night
I will always wait for your return
I will wait because the bird that runs away
Comes to seek forgetfulness in its nest
Time passes and runs sadly. .mod]
Her Italian accent is charming, but then there is this quintessentially French ballad from the same period:
WWII had a great soundtrack. Have to admit even better than that of my first war.
beththeserf June 1, 2017 at 6:14 pm
Piaf dedicated her recording of “Non, je ne regrette rien” to the French Foreign Legion, then fighting the Algerian War (1954–62). The 1st Foreign Parachute Regiment, which backed the failed 1961 coup against President Charles de Gaulle and the civilian leadership of Algeria, adopted the song when their resistance was broken. The Regiment’s commissioned officers were arrested and tried, but the non-commissioned officers and Legionnaires were assigned to other Foreign Legion formations. They left the barracks singing the song, which became part of the FFL heritage and is sung when the Legion is on parade. While the officers were interned, they sang a version of the song using lyrics relevant to their situation, which was recorded and used to be available on Youtube, but I see is no longer.
Penultimate verse, for those like me with only schoolboy French.
Beneath the Parisian sky
A joyous river flows
That lulls the tramps
And beggars to sleep
Beneath the Parisian sky
God’s birds
Come from around the world
To chat among themselves
And of course …
Ilsa: But what about us?
Rick: We’ll always have Paris. We didn’t have, we, we lost it until you came to Casablanca. We got it back last night.
Ilsa: When I said I would never leave you–
Rick: And you never will. But I’ve got a job to do, too. Where I’m going, you can’t follow. What I’ve got to do, you can’t be any part of. Ilsa, I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you’ll understand that. [she begins to cry] Now, now…Here’s looking at you kid.
“I fart in your general direction”
Tom Steyer “If Trump pulls the US out of the #ParisAgreement he will be committing a traitorous act of war against the American people.”
Leonardo Dicrapio “Today, our planet suffered. It’s more important than ever to take action. ”
If you two clowns (and many more) feel that strongly, then let’s see you part with your billions to mitigate this traitorous act of war and ease the suffering of our planet.
And stop flying your (nearly empty) personal jets around the world to give a five minute talk on climate change at a cocktail party!
But that would demand much more than virtue signalling, that would mean personal austerity! They are entitled to keep their lifestyle as long as they signal virtue constantly!
I sure its lost on these morons but most of them are expressing their “rage” using Twitter, whose infrastructure is powered by the very Fossil Fuels they despise.
…..And the productive economic endeavors that are providing the ‘real money’ with which the various so-called renewable clean energy sources are being subsidized are also being powered primarily with energy from fossil fuels. Pretending that the magic fiat currency that The Federal Reserve magically conjures out of their magic hole in the air is ‘real money’ is a fantasy that will not pay for very much for very long. Can you spell F. U. B. A. R.?
No no no. That may sound like a good idea dave, but you are forgetting something. If Al and Leo etc could not travel the globe in comfort, then how would us ignorant un-washed knaves ever benefit from their great knowledge and wisdom? Do you see?
What is REALLY funny is that not ONE of the ‘friends’ I talked about w this can tell me what exactly the Paris Accord ‘commits’ anyone too, not ONE. But, they all ‘KNOW’ that the US pulling out is BAD, BAD, BAD
I agree Bill, I have the same issue with ‘my friends’
These are ignorant people with no regard for the truth.
Climate alarmism is just part of a left wing ideology.
Regards GeoffW
Geoff, an “ideology” would have then understand what the agreement was about and defend it. No, this is a “religion”, which is a faith based on lack of evidence. Because it is a religion (or cult) that is why they react emotionally, unreasonably, and have unshakeable conviction despite contrary evidence – it is also why they treat people as ‘heretics”.
Old Testament AGW and New Testament “Climate Change” truly are religious doctrines for the Left.
They are fed the climate mantras 24/7 by the MSM and don’t look beyond it. AGW is presented as fact and no contrary views are allowed.
And the beauty of it all is that there is absolutely nothing at all that prevents the complainers about the USA leaving from acting personally in line with the Paris accords ie reducing their own emissions. Just they might have to do it without subsidies now. And it might be more obvious just how hypocritical they are as I think most of the complainers expect the Paris accord to apply to the behaviour of Clintons deplorables not their enlightened selves. This Australian says well done Trump. I only wish our government would wake up as well.
And, just think, Tom Steyer wanted to be president.
Rationality left these people behind long ago. Now they’re going to get dangerous.
I wouldn’t worry about them, they are mostly cowards and children mentally. The worst they could do is riot in the streets with antifa.
Oddly enough, they seem to be inclined towards setting trash cans on fire during these protests against Trump “the willful polluter”.
AntiF(irst)A(mendment) fascists stopped rioting on the streets once they lost the “Battle of Berkley” and were destroyed by pro-Trump Patriots. Notice how they are afraid to be out on the streets now ? one instance of the Right standing up for its rights in the heart of the AntiFA vatican of Berkley and AntiFA crumbled, and now quiver in fear – only to talk smack from behind their keyboards.
AntiFA have been exposed as a bunch of paper tigers who can only beat up people they massively outnumber.
‘I wouldn’t worry about them, they are mostly cowards and children mentally. The worst they could do is riot in the streets with antifa.’
Children mentality for sure, but I live just outside Portland Oregon, and people are nuts out here.
I’ve also learned to fear crazy people in large groups.
To be fair, that comment above purportedly written by Tom Steyer, might have been written by someone who had been testing his home brew or something.
I liked the line about how hard it would be to underestimate the damage this decision would do…
This is true. violence is all they have left having abandoned reason.
and here we are at the baseball practice!!
Trump has some catching up to do-
America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 …
business.financialpost.com/…/america-has-built-the-equivalent-of-10-keystone-pipelin…
3 Nov 2015
I wonder how many people realize how many pipelines they cross each day and how few leaks occur
(e.g., natural gas to homes and businesses, oil to refineries, gasoline to distribution centers, or jet fuel to airports).
How many trains and trucks and associated “CO2 pollution” would result to replace them? And the cost to the end user?
I also wonder how many consider the motives (political and $$) of most of these “celebrities”.
There is a serious shortage of critical thinking on this planet.
Aye, critical thought is dangerous to the enviro-socialist agenda. It must be replaced with faith in the indoctrinations of the MSM.
I forgot to mention this is a link to the map of oil and gas pipelines . I wonder how long it would take to replace this infrastructure and the gas stations with electric charging stations. Oh the cost too
Unfortunately there is a section of the public that has a retention problem, starting with HISTORY and finishing with LOGIC, the subjects in between are to many for morons to count !
ziiex,
HISTORY !!!! ( and climate )
It goes like this :
At last I have found someone who can explain to me about Climate Change, ( we are all going to die etc; etc; ) well could you please explain to me about GREENLAND ??? (hot ) yes interesting, but now explain to me about the ICE FAIRS on the river Thames in London ????
( cold ) Never had an answer
@ the Holy Church of AGW
@ the nvirostalinists
@ all enviroprofiteers
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT-5-yr-means1.png
Game over.
The logical implications of the observation that the planet did not warm for 18 years at time when atmospheric CO2 was rising the fastest, is that the warming can reverse, as the warming was not caused by the increase in atmospheric CO2.
There is an odd persistent cooling starting in high latitude regions (40 to 60 degrees latitude) both hemispheres. That is the same region that warmed the most in the last 150 years and is the same region that cyclically warms and cools in the paleo record with correlation to solar cycle changes.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2017/anomnight.6.1.2017.gif
Persistent …but not odd. It will continue, because the Plateau, Pause, Hiatus has
not reached the end. The land temps still remain warmer, due innovative temp
readings (airporterization, UHI, homogenization etc) but they will also fall, at 2020
at the latest. Keep watching the oceans!
More interesting in that anomaly map is that the Gulf of Mexico is cooler than normal and the flow of the ‘Gulf Stream’ or ‘North Atlantic Drift’ has been blocked by the ‘Labrador Current’ which has now linked with the cold area in the North Atlantic. If that continues winter 2017 in Europe could be cooler than normal.
https://weather.gc.ca/saisons/animation_e.html?id=month&bc=sea
Agree with Weltklima. Things are cooling fast off the coast of Peru.
http://www.senamhi.gob.pe/main_popup.php?obj=usr/dms/dato_tsm/diario/tsm_a_peru/30MAY2017_tsm_a_peru.gif
For me it was “game over” when I saw plots of Tmax and Tmin. Almost all the upward trend in the average was being driven by Tmin. When I thought about that, I realized that only increases in Tmax would be a threat, and that increases in Tmin were actually beneficial. Once you understand that and put it in the proper context, namely that we are currently in the middle of an ice age, you realize that the current climatic trends are anything but bad.
Indeed. So many have argued with me about plants not benefiting from additional CO2 because they wouldn’t tolerate the “higher temperatures,” but that is based on the assumption that HIGH temperatures are what are (or will be) rising, when as you note it is really the LOW temperatures that are higher (though in the main this has nothing to do with CO2 anyway). Higher low temperatures are a win-win for plants – less killing frosts, less extreme temperature swings all benefit plants, just like added CO2.
If you want “climate catastrophe,” you need global COOLING, not warming. Of course, when it inevitably comes, they’ll find some pseudo-scientific way to blame THAT on human fossil fuel use too, since their aim from the very start was to control energy use, which thereby enables control of EVERYTHING.
Well gosh darn it. It takes much more energy to raise Tmax than it does to raise Tmin.
Its that pesky sigma T^4 nuisance.
Getting off zero kelvin is a piece of cake.
G
Damn, I really need to stop gloating, and perhaps I will stop next week. . .
Yeah, I would give it a week, Tom.
Didn’t your mothers warn you about your face freezing? Take a break of five minutes every hour on that gloating. (Note: Laughing hysterically does count as a break!)
I see you’re just a damn procrastinator !
Can’t you just commit to anything ??
I would wait till August; when it is a bit warmer.
G
Excellent to have all these very emotional and dedicated folks putting themselves on record. When time demonstrates the futility of their cause and the complete lack of a sicentific basis for the scare they have been promoting, not to mention the dire harm their recommendations would do to the poor, the industrial base and the environment when over 7 billion people try to feed, shelter and protect themselves without cheap energy, then their words will be seen in perspective and the their opinions will be given their just value (numbers don’t go that low!).
Yup. The more they are on written record, the worse it gets for them in the long run. And long comtinues shortening.
One thing about modern society, the minorities always scream loudly when things don’t go their way.
Yes, so right, all on record. The internet and wayback machine will not forget. But it applies to you and I as well. Have we ourselves been honest and open? Have we avoided belief without evidence? Have we been good scientists and looked at things with an open mind?
Some of us have, or have tried hard to but some of us have not. We can do better. Try having a look at this:
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/New-Insights-on-the-Physical-Nature-of-the-Atmospheric-Greenhouse-Effect-Deduced-from-an-Empirical-Planetary-Temperature-Model.pdf
So, when time demonstrates that the futility of believing in the very existence of even a smidgen of so called Greenhouse Gas Effect….
This has already been noted. ICAN created the standard atmosphere adiabatic lapse rates based purely on the gas laws. But then they were creating a product for safety of air navigation and were not looking for more research funds.
Not sure of the intent of your last sentence but I do agree with your argument about the rules of recorded opinion applying to all. I am very careful to only make statements I believe are supported by the evidence available. The paper you link to is a modeling experiment that tries to recalculate the “greenhouse” effect. I can find many physics and atmospheric papers trying to come to some conclusion about the effect and its magnitude but there is clearly no consensus, and modeling is only a method of defining an hypothesis. It is not a form of proof or evidence. Beyond that if one accepts the greenhouse effect and the widely quoted 1 degree C warming for a doubling of CO2, there remains huge latitude in the implications for the real Earth atmosphere depending on what other feedback and natural cycles are doing.
I don’t know. Paul Ehrlich has been on record making absurd predictions for 50 years now, and somehow it never seems to catch up to him.
Don’t forget my favorite paid troll Griffie, or whatever name he is using this week.
They’re all a bit, well, nuts, aren’t they?
No, they are not a bit nuts.
They are all completely of their dang rockers!
Or have lots of money tied up in the global warming scam.
Good news! Popcorn futures are up 1000%. And here I thought that tomorrow was for gloating.
Silly me.
Time for progressives to crack out On The Beach, a prescient movie about the day after Trump pulled out of the Paris Agreement.
I see London,
I see France,
I see Donald’s exit chance!
Bill, Bill, Bill. And here I thought we were friends. How about this: pay me $350 and all will be forgiven.
I promise.
Someone get me a tissue. I can’t stop crying…..from laughing.
There is quite a serious collective insanity at work here. It’s painful to watch. It’s even more painful when experienced directly, which is why I never discuss the subject with people any more.
We’ve seen the DDT problem revealed as a non-problem, although it still lingers on causing 10’s of millions of mainly child deaths.
We’ve seen the acid rain problem revealed as a bit of a non-problem (afaik, I’ve not researched it tbh).
We’ve seen the ozone problem revealed as a non-problem, although that lingers on too.
I can see the Global Warming™ non-problem becoming anything anything else but a zombie crisis fuelled by this collective insanity, unfortunately, despite the rise of the Internet.
+100
Jim
Yes, betting on a single one of these morons ever seeing how ridiculous they are being is a losing bet, most likely.
They will all die convinced they were right, even if we have massive decades-long cooling.
The best we can likely hope for is the whole thing to stay at the rock bottom of every poll of priorities among the general public.
At worst, the nitwits might somehow mobilize and win a series of elections and put in people who think like O Bummer.
Only half the country votes…anything could happen.
Butt peek OIL, me lad, PEEK OIL, ok, it’s on hold for now
Harry
That is yesterday’s peak. Todays is “PEAK SAND”111
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THE WORLD IS RUNNING OUT OF SAND”
http://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/107813-something-else-to-worry-about/
It is to be expected that millennial fears will die down as the old century passes.
All those Millennium Bugs, Mad Cow Diseases, Ozone Layers, Acid Raindrops and the rest just don’t have the emotional resonance that they did coming up to the big, round number.
And they only had emotional support in the first place.
The funny thing is that if you are a true believer, you have the power to make this right – simply reduce your energy consumption, reduce your “carbon footprint”, there is nothing stopping you from doing this. Nothing. Not Trump. Not anything.
So turn off the internet, turn off your electronics – as they are coal powered devices ( source of electricity), stop buying “stuff” – that all takes energy to produce & transport. Sell your cars & ride bikes or walk. Get a wood burning stove in stead of central heat. Stop traveling. Move into a “tiny house”. You can do all of this & more. The list is endless. There is nothing to stop you. Not Trump. Not anything.
Or is saving the planet a job for someone else ?
Like this?? 😉
https://youtu.be/YlXAbi7RSBU
Jeff L,
Spot on! This is the exact response we all should give when confronted by someone demanding that “we” (in other words, everybody else) must do something about “climate change”.
Which side is its face on ??
g
But that’s the whole personality type – they can’t just live their life the way they want to – you have to, also. Pretty much across the board, on every issue, extending far beyond climate change.
Control freak first.
The Sierra Club just said half the people I run into on the street…are total f’in nutjobs
Did they call them “deplorables”?
As you can see in the map they posted, the ones who do not have the same opinion as the Sierra Club don´t count as people.
What the hell is wrong with all of those people?
Have they never noticed that nothing unusual is happening?
That the sky is blue, trees green, water wet, plants growing…and weather is still weather?
It is like half the world is on a shared acid trip.
Well said.
+1000
I am pretty sure that a good number of these people…the Arquette girl is a good example…have nothing to gain from any of this…they honestly believe the world is burning up and going to hell…even though anyone can look around and say “Where, exactly, are all these problems? Where are the drowning people? Remind me again why we need Arctic ice to survive as a planet?”
In the 1930s the choicest farmland in the world turned into a bowl of corrosive dust. In 2017, even the Sahel in Africa is greening up and feeding people reliably.
Billions of dollars at stake. The low cast are just mentally unstable.
What’s wrong with a little multinational economic suicide pact, if it will save dear old mother Gaia?
The sad truth and irony is that more healthful CO2 is just what the doctor ordered for ailing Mama Gaia.
Well said, indeed, Menicholas.
And the great thing is (see all the polls)…
MOST Americans: Could. Not. Care. Less. About “cliiiiiimaaaate!”
They DO “see trees of green, red roses too …
skies of blue and clouds of white …the colors of the rainbow …
… the faces of people going by …”
/
\
/
\
V
A song for all the wound-up-way-too-tight ones out there.
Take a clue from the rest of us! ) 🙂
Happy (Pharrell Williams)
(youtube)
… you can take a break … come along…
Chill. Real life is going on all around you. It isn’t having a fit or throwing a tantrum today.
And as I drive away in my ICE car,
here’s a bumper sticker for you:
#(:))
Janice,
Thanks!
I literally laughed out loud at the Minion bogeying.
How about this:
DWBH I should note dates from that fateful year of 1988, when Hansen jump started the lie by turning off the a/c in the Senate hearing room.
And a badge or t-shirt iron-on
http://s19.postimg.org/acl8ewfqr/CO2_green_p_LANET.jpg
Greening the planet since 2.5 billion BC!
Oh, Chimp. After you were so kind to tell me you enjoyed “Happy,” I’m very sorry to have to tell you that……….. I loathe that “Don’t Worry, Be Happy Song.” I don’t know why. I think it’s because I was in a more feisty/rebellious mode in the 1980’s-90’s and something about that command to not worry and be happy was:
1. Like some old hippy telling me what to do.
2. VERY DOPEY SOUNDING (like elevator music) to my Judas Priest, Def Leppard, Van Halen – loving ears.
Shrug.
It does fit the theme, here, though, so, I give you a one thumb up for that.
Lots of people like that song, though — you are in good company. 🙂
In Germany, McFerrin was known as Wunderstimme due to his incredible vocal abilities.
Sorry so to bum you out. I can see that anyone unhappy in 1988 might have been annoyed by the song.
I was then worried about Bush taking over from Reagan, but not about Dukakis beating him, despite the Democrat’s being up by 20 points in May. A grad school classmate of mine, even then already a famous political columnist, was sure that Dukakis was going to win. He hasn’t enjoyed talking to me since then. He had previously been sure that Carter would come from behind to beat Reagan.
Chimp: I wrote poorly.
1. You did not bum me out with that song. I didn’t listen to more than a couple bars to be sure of what it was.
2. I wasn’t unhappy in 1988 (well, once in awhile, lol, but not in general). It just was like nails on the chalkboard (but milder than that).
Janice,
To each his or her own, but anyone who has ever tried to sing should recognize the man’s vocal genius.
@ AndyG — GREAT decal! 🙂 Hope your school year, now that it has been underway down under for awhile, now, is going well.
I prefer:
CO2 IS NOT
A PROBLEM
School? Thanks for the demotion, Janice 🙁
And for Steve
AndyG {stamp foot}. I thought you were a math teacher! No demotion. Just a mistake — sorry about that. Onward, now, okay? Still WUWT friends — “to infinity and…….. beyond!” (<– for old times' sake 🙂 )
Well said, indeed, younicholas.
And the great thing is (see all the polls)…
MOST Americans: Could. Not. Care. Less. About “cliiiiiimaaaate!”
They DO “see trees of green, red roses too …
skies of blue and clouds of white …the colors of the rainbow …
… the faces of people going by …”
/
\
/
\
V
A song for all the wound-up-way-too-tight ones out there.
Take a clue from the rest of us! ) 🙂
Happy (Pharrell Williams)
(youtube)
… you can take a break … come along…
Chill. Real life is going on all around you. It isn’t having a fit or throwing a tantrum today.
And as I drive away in my ICE car,
here’s a bumper sticker for you:
#(:))
Dear Moderator — would you please delete my duplicate post (the one at 6:03pm) — it *poof* disappeared into nowhere, then, worked! Sorry!! THANK YOU! Janice
And thank YOU, Janice, for remembering that my handle is just the name of me, Nicholas!
YOU are welcome, Nicholas. Actually, I only guessed at that — I’ve always wondered if you were saying, “Me Nicholas.” Fun idea and nice to know I guessed right! 🙂 Glad my first post disappeared (temporarily), so I tried a new version of your name the second time.
Actually I was given the name during an online chat with a girl I met at the isc.ro website.
I used to play scrabble many hours a night.
Anyway, it was about 2003 or so, and I was a very slow typist…even slower than now, since I had never typed much before having a computer and I only had gotten my first one a few years earlier.
So, she had a very long name (Josephine) and I tried to shorten it by giving her a nickname. She got mad and said “Call me Josephine!”
Well, I thought it was kind of silly, it was a one on one chat so there was no confusion about who I was talking to/about.
Anyway…she was calling me Nick, and I said “Well, then call meNicholas!”…missing a space bar tap.
She was delighted to, and said so right away, and never again called me anything else.
“Ok Menicholas”.
What, no call me Nicholas.
“Sorry, I take first instructions Menicholas”.
And so it went…it stuck, and that was that.
I played for years under that name, but after not playing for a while I think my records were erased.
Which is a shame…it was quite something.
Averaged nearly two bingos per game, 90% wins.
I only played three minute games after a while…longer than that and people are cheating. And double challenge no-escape.
Meaning you lose your turn if a word is successfully challenged (the real rules, IOW), and you lose if you disappear for more than three minutes. (People would go offline a few seconds before last turn and avoid a loss by cheating that way.
I had to become a much faster typist to play and win thousands of three minute games of scrabble.
Ok, so it was the long version 🙂
Anyway…we lost touch…one of us got banned from the site for something.
She was studying to be a barrister, and lived in and was from London.
Very nice girl, we talked.
So, if you are out there, Josephine Charmaine Zebbire…give me a holler!
Oh, Nicholas (you), I’m so sorry you lost touch with your buddy. Thank you for sharing — what a generous spirit you have to do that. I just prayed that you two will find each other! And don’t worry — if your paths are meant to cross again — they will.
Here’s a little song for you both:
(it has comforted me vis a vis my faraway special someone… looking up at the same full moon… the same stars… sleeping underneath the same big sky…)
Somewhere Out There
(youtube — the lyrics are kind of messed up)
“Somewhere, out there, someone’s saying a prayer
that we’ll find one another …
somewhere out there
out where dreams
come true.”
Best wishes in your quest! (DO — NOT– GIVE — UP!)
Janice
I can name that tune in four notes !!
g
Meni….even funnier
The same people that said the US should not tell the rest of the world what to do…
…are now screaming because the US is not telling the rest of the world what to do
The rest of the world can now do anything they damn well please……..
All the chaos is happening in their heads – or at least that would explain things a bit better. And as someone upthread mentioned, many of them stood to gain financially (or otherwise) in a financial environment where interest rates are low. It’s hard to make a good ROI and what’s better than those sweet, sweet taxpayer dollars?
in particular Musk
whos companys are only just hanging in due to insane concessions and grants!
no wonder hes got his jocks in a twist
It’s not so much an lsd trip as the probability of missing out on an Lsd fest.
Librae, solidi and denarii has a slightly different meaning than lysergic acid diethylamide.
Well I could use a goodly helping of that denarii; even just a few brass razoos would help.
g
What was the line in that old song?
“Everything you think do and say, is in the pill you took today.”
Many things over the years have been “thrown against the wall to see what sticks”.
“Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming” is what seems to have “stuck to the wall the longest”.
The pushers aren’t pushing pills. They just want you to keep licking the wall and forget how bad that last wad tasted.
https://youtu.be/izQB2-Kmiic
That’s one reason they pitch to kids, who haven’t had thirty years to see model predictions fizzle.
“The Paris climate treaty is climatically insignificant. EPA’s own models show it would only lower global warming by an inconsequential two-tenths of a degree Celsius by 2100. The cost to the U.S. – in the form of required payments of $100 billion per year to the developing world – is too great for the inconsequential results. These very real expenses will consume money that could be used by the private sector to fund innovative new technologies that are economically sound and can power our society with little pollution.”
https://www.cato.org/blog/statement-us-withdraw-paris-climate-treaty
That’s US$100 billion per year, PER YEAR, for 0.2 C in 2100 based on models that have NO SKILL!!
GOOD on you Donald, great business decision!!
Agree. Thie Paris agreement was not a deal to address climate change (if real); it was a deal to transfer wealth.
Why should we treat these “scientists” as authorities when they cannot even get the basic spelling right.?
They spelled “Climate” as “Climat”, On the Eiffel Tower no less !!!! This is either a truly egregious spelling error or yet another airhead attempt to communicate to the world in a furn language.
Chris Riley
Wrong, wrong, wrong ! !!!
It was a “unamins dession “
And why should we pay anyone anything?
They should pay us, for making their crops and trees grow faster and in more places!
Or, better yet, everyone keep what is theirs and keep their grabby mitts off whatever aint.
And stop trying to save the world.
Maybe try instead for making a few solid contributions towards improving the lot of some actual people where one actually lives.
The world needs no saving…but odds are their are a few eminently clean-upable messes in each of our neighborhoods.
“If Trump pulls the US out of the #ParisAgreement he will be committing a traitorous act of war against the American people.” ~ Tom Steyer
If Jerry Brown does more than agree to egg rolls while in China he needs to be prosecuted for treason.
@Forrest Gardener- spot on! “The bad guys always confess….”
Send the graph from this page to EVERYONE who complains about pulling out of the Paris Accord. Maybe pretty pictures can show them how senseless and futile it was.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/05/31/in-one-graph-why-the-parisclimate-accord-is-useless/
Yep that’s the one. Just keep putting in their faces. The pause that comes after is funny to say the least. They just can’t believe that it would make next to no difference.
You know what the most egregious part of that graph is? They used the idiotic 4.5-5.0 ECS models that are toooooooooooooo hot. If they used a model that is in the more likely 1.0 – 1.2 C ECS range the difference is even smaller – to the point that the scale you used to zoom in on the difference wouldn’t show a difference!
Very true Owen. Even using their own climate sensitivity it is next to meaningless. Using more realistic ECS or even a halfway measure removes the “next to” part.
Better to post a graph of past, current, and future CO2 emissions broken out by country.
No. Keep it simple. Keep it on topic. The topic that they are all flummoxed over is the Paris Accord. 🙂
But Paris is about CO2, and it will not matter…indeed cannot matter… if we pull out, at least not to the amount of CO2 in the air. Not by enough to even be detectable on a persons skin.
That .05 degrees is because Paris does nothing that will matter.
Alarmists and useful idiots will simply disbelieve this chart.
But disbelieving a graph of current and past emissions is harder, since it is factual and verifiable.
A matter of record.
We are already shrinking emissions due to fracking.
China now emits far more than the US ever did, even during the peak of the boom…way more, and increasing rapidly.
It proves that us dropping out of Paris will not matter.
This chart is not really proof of anything…even if it turns out to be 100% accurate, it is a prognostication at this point…just a guess.
Easily doubted and impossible to back it up.
Besides…it appears to concede that CO2 warms the planet.
I for one am not willing to concede that.
I do not concede, nor am I convinced, that the invented global average temperature is going to go up at all, let alone in a smoothly curving uptrend which is due to CO2 emitted by us.
If CO2 has any ability to warm the whole planet, it is obvious that natural variability is far higher.
This graph is not a good argument to make, IMO.
The emissions graph is simply reality, what is occurring on the Earth for real, now and in years past.
One needs the emissions charts to even get to this chart.
How many of these people know that US emissions are heading substantially downward and China is the leading emitter by far?
One cannot change a single mind by arguing from the warmista perspective.
One may change a few minds, or at least give pause, with new information.
Anywho, that’s how I see it.
Others are free to disagree.
While you are correct it is always important to keep in mind who your audience is. What you just said, while correct, would be over the heads of most of the pro-AGW crowd. You would get a quarter of the way through and they would be overloaded and screaming “denier”.
I prefer to keep in on the current topic of their outbursts and keep it simple. That is where that graph is such a killer. The “deer in the headlights” response is totally priceless.
These idjuts are literally insane !
..They are no longer able to shake…their green heads have exploded !
I was hoping for
UNFCCCForwarded by Tom Jacob/AE/DuPont on 11/29/2000 11:08
While organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process through major groups such as NRDC,EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace, they have operated within the structure as
constructive participants in the policy-setting process, along with industry.
At The Hague, this “inside” role was supplemented by hundreds of young, relatively naïve demonstrators brought in specifically to energize
the environmental presence and confront the process. Even some within the ranks of the more established participants — while disavowing the takeover
of the negotiating room — saw fit to publicly offer Minister Pronk and the
UNFCCC Secretariate a veiled threat of “Seattle” if the process failed to
deliver.
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0340.txt
‘If you like your climate, you can keep your climate.’
Hey alarmists, now is the best time to sell your beach front home, before it floods and becomes worthless.
I’ve got a pocket full of cash and willing to pay 10 cents on the dollar for Florida beach front home. That is right, I’m willing to pay you 10x what your property is worth.
If only Trump believed, you might have been able to pick up Mar-A-Lago.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sugar-rautbord/mar-a-lago-the-trump-wint_b_7971396.html
The MSM is reporting this afternoon that numerous large US companies wanted us to continue honoring the Paris accord. Yet, the broad market indexes did very well today, knowing the gist of the President’s announcement early this morning. S&P 500 up .76%, NASDAQ up .78%, Morningstar Small Cap up 1.84%. Hmmm. What’s up with that?
Turns out not being forced to waste money by the trainload is good for profits!
Whodathunkit?
And today, weak job numbers and the major indices set new records yet again.
The markets love Trump, no matter what anyone says.
Oh, and by the way…the US is already decreasing emissions of CO2 by more than any other country in the history of forever!
Without even trying!
And the biggest emitter, the one leading all others by huge margins and is increasing the rate of emissions faster than any other country in history…is not even forced by Paris to change one freakin’ thing!
The whole thing is meaningless in terms of CO2…even if you are convinced that CO2 matters!
This sickens me…histrionic mindlessness from clueless jackasses.
Can someone please post updated emissions trend charts broken out by country…so we can all spread it around and try to quell this nincompoopery before I vomit up my internal organs in disgust?
Yes, please. And for the Kyoto signatory countries, go as far back as needed to show how well they complied with their mandatory commitments to reduce emissions.
Here’s a PDF from EIA that shows the
emissions outlook for OECD and Non-OECD countries
As can be seen, OECD emissions are rising slowly from a dip in ~2010.
Non-OECD emissions are rocketing away.
Watermelons expoding. Everywhere. Fortunately, we loaded in much popcorn in anticipation. And it still early days. Fear might run out of popcorn.
Just think.
Popcorn is food.
More corn used for food.
Less food used for fuel.
A real “Win-Win”! 8-0
But is your Popcorn “Organic” ?? LOL …/sarc
Butch all food is organic, try shopping for inorganic food, no sarc it is another word usurped by green idiots to pretend they are saving the planet.
Well it’s got carbon in it; so yes it is organic. And very low in Tantalum Nitrides.
g
I share in your anticipation, beer in hand! 10+ years following this myth. I can only hope it is all down hill from here, this is the unraveling but I am not holding my breath anytime soon.
Been following it for 18 years. In the UK we still have the Climate Change Act, which commits governments to continue the foolishness. We have a long way to go, but this is a great start.
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Winston Churchill
IMploding – it’s only vacuum inside…..
I’m not tired of winning yet! Like liberal/Socialist tears, these reactions are delicious!
The Dow was up 135.53 points today, but Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman-Sacs called the decision a “setback for the environment…blah blah, blah”. When Golden Slacks is moping around, you know things are good for the little guy. ;->
He is likely sandbagging as they buy up shares like there is once again a tomorrow.
Meanwhile, Trump is teabagging all the EU ‘leaders’ in victory. Awesome move Mr President – you are indeed leader of the FREE WORLD 🙂
BTW, the Dow (up 0.65%) is only 30 stocks, and on a percentage basis was up less than the NASDAQ (up 0.78%), the S&P (up 0.76%, and up far less than the Russell 2000 small cap index (up 1.89%).
The Russell was up nearly 2% on the day! And it is a composite of 2000 companies, which although small cap (shorthand for market capitalization…the combined value of all shares of a companies’ stock), are worth an average of over a billion dollars each, up to as much as $13-14 billion.
Smaller large companies stand to see a larger percent gain in profits if and when energy and regulatory costs decline, or fail to rise as much as had previously been predicted.
This is bad for GE who have bet a lot on their Green Tech.
Lets see Little Billy Mcibbon got it right but he misspelled the last word it should have a capital M and 2 n’s.
Poor widdle Snowflakes, I feel so sorry for them…NOT!!!!!
I love the sound of watermelons exploding in the morning! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
All we need to cap this laughable collective hyperbole is a comment from Griff.
Hello, Griiff…..???
Hallllooooo? Where are you hiding Griff?
We need more laughs … please oblige.
The unintended consequence is that California is now doomed by Comrade Jerry and the “Progressives” doing to us what Paris would do to the USA…All for little or naught.
They elected him. They must like what he plans to do that will bankrupt them. I won’t give a flying monkey butt as long as US tax payers don’t have to bail them out.
Jerry will show us how his delusional thinking can trash a State economy in ten easy lessons, and will give us all an example of what other States should *not* do. As someone else said, California is our “crash-test dummy”.
All the Liberals crying in California may well contribute to sea level rise . .
I love Bill McKibben’s take on “200 years of science … blown up by an ignorant man.” An ignorant author forgot that in 1970s the scare was global cooling, not warming. The goal then, just like today, was free money to be provided by an idealistic U.S. government. A nice try. This time it almost succeeded.
Yeah, and they were just as sure back then that humans were causing Global Cooling as they are now about humans causing Global Warming.
They were wrong then, and it looks like they are wrong this time, too, although the jury is still out. But it’s not looking good for the alamist team.
So this is not the first time that humans have gotten hysterical over thinking humanity was changing the climate. The only thing the two time periods have in common though is hysteria over human-caused climate change.
McKibbles is owning all of the failed predictions of the recent 200 years?
Wait – Arrhenius wasn’t even around!
Bill McKibben wouldn’t know what Science was if it hit him in the face like a dead mackerel.
These activists think USA’s 80 year contribution of 0.05 c at most will destroy the planet! #alarmist#activists#clueless.com
I love Bill McKibben saying they’ll double down on their commitments, since zero X 2 is still zero. Few of the Warmists practice what they preach, and, in fact, tend to have higher carbon footprints than Skeptics.
That is true of people I personally know.
Pretty much to a man and woman…everyone.
Maybe Griff is in the process of getting a Gripp.
Yes, the “The Arctic is incredibly hot” headlines, in midwinter, are particularly annoying lies.
The disconnect between those headlines and the weather news that record cold air will settle over the East coast tonight as Arctic air barrels in behind the latest front, is how you know these people never even stop to think about anything for even a second.
They do not have the sense they were born with.
They make a run-of-the-mill curious five-year-olds look like Einstein.
Put Up or Shut Up
The likes of Leonardo DiCaprio Elon Musk and Al Gore are very welcomed to give their own millions of dollars to the Paris Climate Treaty
No one is stopping them
I know it’s getting warmer because the Al-Ed girl was hot!
They’re going nuts over on Ars Technica over it.
The 4th letter should “e”
Frightening, isn’t it, that a good number of your fellow citizens in a technological society are insane, ignorant
and completely gullible in believing the AGW hysterical nonsense?
You know, I was at Zoo Atlanta today, and those folks proved to me that they are not logical. They had all this global warming propaganda embedded in the messaging all over the exhibits. It was completely unavoidable anywhere you looked. Then I got to the Orangutan enclosure where they had all these big posters about the magnificent animals being greatly endangered due to clear cutting of forests for palm oil plantations. It never once dawned on any of the idiots that their very demands for “renewable fuels” were the primary drivers of this habitat destruction. IRONY IS LOST ON ENVIRONMENTALISTS!
So is logic.
The Audubon Society of all organizations, supports the very windmills which are massacring birds, including rare and endangered species, in their tens of millions.
Insanity!
http://www.audubon.org/content/audubons-position-wind-power
They imagine that “proper siting” will solve the problem of killing birds and bats.
At least they did oppose the Obama Administration’s USFWS rule which would have allowed wind farms to keep killing Bald and Golden eagles, by exempting windmills for 30 years from the Endangered Species Act.
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The Audubon Society of all organizations, supports the very windmills
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They weren’t originally, but they put in their place by the other green-bat organizations. It reminds of the doctor’s comment at end of the movie: “The Bridge on the River Kwai” where he simply says: “Madness! Madness!”
Jim
It reminds me of the end of movies like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, where by then everyone knows that they are all a bunch of crooks with various angle to profit from and not a sincere thought in their heads or word from their lips.
If you never saw it…do.
The Audubon Society seems to be one of several organizations that look at the net worth of the Nature Conservancy ($5,923,968,911 in 2014’s IRS 990 form) and realize they should be striving to become a mini Nature Conservancy.
The American Bird Conservancy seems to have picked up Audubon’s mantle and mantra of defending birds no matter what the cost and are not nearly as fond of wind turbines.
https://abcbirds.org/10-worst-wind-energy-sites-for-birds/
Yup. No such group wants to get read out of the Noble Cause League by daring to sing off a different hymnal. Their voices must be united.
Must join the Borg!
I used to give money to some of these groups, and not all that long ago.
That changed for good when I found out how malleable they became with regards to their ostensible mission.
Among the most egregious pack of hypocrites I ever became aware of.
Tore their stickers of my bumpers too, along with those of any of “science” organizations I once supported.
It was really a slap in the face and incredibly sobering.
Top it off with what has become of the science periodicals I had been reading monthly for many decades…I do not even know how to finish the sentence…words fail me.
Dear Global Warmers:
Keep up the whining and teeth gnashing, cause it is Music to my ears!
The AGW Scam is Up! The CC Sham is dead!
Sincerely,
Taxpayer you ripped off
Hopefully Trumps action will embolden other leaders who hopefully won’t be spooked by the noisy rantings of the warmist zealots. The silent majority who remain just that are smiling. No media reports to cheers that are coming from them on websites such as this one. I still think it has a while to go before the global warming scare is ” dead, buried, and cremated” but this is surely a major first step.
Agree. Sanity has won an important battle, but there’s still a war going on.
I’ve been following them on Twitter: The world is going to die! The planet is going to cook! We are all going to go extinct! I shake my head at this insanity. And the media is no different. Claims that more “superstorms” like Sandy will happen. It’s total madness.
The CO2 horses**t has to stop.
More Popular Delusions and Madness of the Crowds.
Down Under!
Elon Musk: “Climate change is real.”
It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear Smart than open it and remove any and all belief.
I don’t get Musk. You can generate electricity More reliably and a tenth as cheap with fossil fuels. He dshould be able to sell more cars.! If he doesn’t he will find some upstart competitor that pushes him out of business. Subsidies have infected good old American business acumen.
Elon Musk: “Climate change is real.”
And I claim my next $4 billion.
Elon, you have gotten enough of our tax money. I seriously hope that your empire building will be successful and will provide a bunch more cool products to the world. Just do it without taking Federal subsidies.
When duzz he leave for Mars. I’ll hang around for that.
So long as he takes two more Californians with him.
g
A number of people here are expressing disappointment that Trump did address the science of the issue, but let’s not confuse science with politics. I think Trump did an excellent job on the politics of this. He has “split the baby”, as people say of Solomonic wisdom, by offering to renegotiate. Moreover, this announcement may flush the skunks out the wood pile–we will now see who is willing to go to the mat to somehow impose this voluntary agreement on the U.S. through the courts, perhaps. If Trump had addressed the science of this we would be treated to the tired 97% argument by the 10% with no progress in sight.
Now we have some flexibility to fight this, and also plan our lives. Thanks, Trump.
Trump’s offer to renegotiate? Haha! Which takers are going to agree to become givers? China and India?. The same with most of the other signers. Trump is going to raise the price on them for participation — and they will decline the deal.
How much is the rest of the world willing to pay out of pocket to “save the earth from climate change”? Exactly zero.
Eugene WR Gallun
I believe that was President Trump’s subtle point, Eugene.
This way none of his critics can accuse him of forcing the issue or shutting down the dialogue.
The ball is in their court and they were counting on the US to pay for it.
I saw quite a number of ‘pundits’ on TV last night saying that Donald Trump has ceded leadership of the CAGW cause to China. That is the LAST thing the PRC wants. They were quite happy with the US footing the bill and tanking its economy while China waited until 2030 to do anything (and then, maybe not do anything). If they are now front and center, they may come under scrutiny they surely don’t want. They will however, gladly take to the bully pulpit to excoriate the US. Expect the mandarins’ hypocrisy quotient to sky rocket.
On June 1st, Al Gore spoke at the “Jeju Forum for Peace and Prosperity 2017” (http://jejuforum.or.kr) in South Korea. His speech here was totally different than his official statement on his website. According to the Korea Times, Al Gore said: “The United States is going to continue reducing emissions regardless of what President Trump does”. And he “pointed out that Apple, Google and other American businesses are going “100 percent” in developing and using renewable energy”.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2017/06/281_230455.html
That is fine if Apple, Google, etc want to go all in for Green. So long as those companies don’t try to force their AGW fanaticism on America.
I don’t care if they want to try to force their AGW fanaticism on America. I only care that they don’t expect the Federal government to subsidize their clean energy schemes. I hope they discover the giant deposit of Unicorn farts that must exist somewhere in the earth and they, in their obviously endless magnanimity, share those farts with the rest of the world.
If they don’t take government subsidies then the money they spend is theirs to spend as they want. When subsidies are involved it becomes the public’s money.
The profits off renewable industries have always come from the subsidies. None are independently viable.
Eugene WR Gallun
PS — The business model for renewable industries is — Get a huge government loan — pay yourself well — then go bankrupt.
All of the NY Times OpEds and Opinion Pieces were obviously written in ADVANCE. They appeared in the online version of the NY Times within minutes of Trump’s announcement.
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means link
Science is about making and testing hypotheses. It is a speculative activity. When it progresses to near certainty, it becomes engineering or medicine.
Neil Degrasse-Tyson you are not nearly as smart as you think you are. Anyway, to mangle a metaphor, cheerleaders are not football players. You and Mr. Nye are not scientists and your qualifications are less than those of a good number of the denizens of WUWT.
Indeed
commieBob — well said — Eugene WR Gallun
All i want to know is, how sending trillions of $$$ overseas is going to stop global warming?
Just what is it these demented people struggle so hard with in the concept of two tenths of a degree in a century? Even if the doom-mongers are right. How stupid can anyone literally be? How can there be so many people simply dying to commit economic suicide in order to achieve literally nothing at all? Every generation comes to a point in their middle years when they say ‘the World has gone mad’. But now the World has gone mad.
WARNING…WARNING…
HEALTH ALERT….Do not wander into liberal websites at this moment…..You would be at risk of laughing to death at the stupidity of comments there at this time… You will be notified in the future when it is safe !
Butch — laughing my assets off — Eugene WR Gallun
Weather.com predictably has gone full CACA cuckoo:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-made-decision-climate-heres-weather-channel-wanted-see-222353983.html
There is this thing called the SUN it will determine how hot and cool Gaia gets.
I know, right. I’ve been using that line for years and adding the question ” Do you think a couple extra molecules of co2 has more influence on climate?” The usual response was to defer to the “cosenses of 97% of scientists say”. People have no ability to use critical thinking and don’t like being challenged.
Oh man, I need some help, I ran out of popcorn, dang, I didn’t model my popcorn consumption well enough.
Not sure how that happened, I did 2137 model runs and made an ensemble of the results, they said my popcorn would last until 2100 if I simply turned off the AC all summer long….
Anybody want to help a skeptic out, I would gladly repay someone next Tuesday for an overnight shipment of popcorn today….. (all credit due to Popeye)
Cheers, KevinK, suddenly hard of hearing due to the sounds of heads “xploding”. (no disrespect towards folks that have struggled with real hearing impairments intended)
You know, “histrionic” is a very lucky word. I mean, it was going out of style and people weren’t using it any more, it was headed for the obscure end of the dictionary, and then BAM! Example after example after example.
Pulled back from the brink, that one was.
Fundamentalist leftist AGW has the upper hand in education, bureaucracy and increasingly in commerce.
New BHP boss (world’s largest miner) is a globalist AWG con artist.
USA winning battles is good but other Western nations need to be more organized in their fight against AGW fraud.
The “other Western nations” (Germany, UK, and Australia) are leading the way into renewable energy Armageddon. They are all starting to experience the distress caused by the ridiculous increases in energy prices. They will break it off soon, I am thinking. California and South Australia are both “states” that are going to drink ALL of the renewable energy Kool Aid, or so it appears at the present time. They will serve as a warning to any other country or state that thinks that is the way to go.
Don’t get me wrong, wind and solar both have their place. But that place can best be found when governments stop subsidizing them.
They are SCREAMING so loudly because….
they lost their audience a looooong time ago.
Listen — to — us!! LISTEN — TO — US!!!!!
http://www.thepurposeisprofit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Bored-Audience.jpg
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Re: that all-red map of the U.S. — that is probably a Sierra Club membership-only poll. Whatever bogus statistical construct they are graphing there, it’s a meaningless piece of information. There aren’t that many people in the entire United States who have enough of an idea WHAT the deal really is with Paris to care either way.
Average American cares about “CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!” this much:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/parker-bored.gif
Seriously.
Janice, you’re a woman . . . what’s she looking at like that? We know it’s not a guy! 🙂
That’s the inimitable, then young, future “Indie Queen” Parker Posey in “Dazed and Confused” (1993).
You are correct, Pat! 🙂 She isn’t looking at anything. She is staring blankly out the window of the fast food restaurant there while on her break (she would NEVER go out in public dressed like THAT with her hair like THAT) thinking about how long it will take her to save up enough money to move out of her parents’ house. From the look on her face and given the job she has, that will take about 40 years. And that doesn’t make her jump for joy.
She COULD be looking at a guy. But, it would be her boyfriend that she has come to realize is so dumb and annoying that if she has to listen to him talk about his new shovel and play that same country music album one more time she is going to go CRAZY. So, she would be thinking about how to tell him it’s over. Oh, she is sure of THAT, but, timing is important. She really, really, wants to go to the senior prom. And there isn’t time to get another date. She could just not go, but, she already bought her new dress. She could take it back, but, she really likes it and her mom won’t let her keep it if she’s not going to the prom in it. And….
Aren’t you glad you asked me that? lololol
Take care, down there.
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Chimp: You don’t need to tell me that I got the plot of the movie wrong. I never saw that movie and I was just having fun making something up.
Janice, you’re brilliant! 🙂 . . . still laughing, thanks! 😀
Pat: You are TOO kind. Thank you. Very glad I could make you laugh.
One should always chew with their mouth shut. It is not only good manners it makes one look more intelligent.
You are correct, Mr. Job.
Here is what that young woman would say to that: As if.
Heh. 🙂
She just figured out that all of the derivatives of Y = exp(-1/x^2) are zero at x = 0 so now she’s trying to figure out how the hell, it every gets to anywhere else !!
Climate Ca Ching is real, it’s happening right now, but thanks to Trump it’ll be less burdensome on U.S. taxpayers.
If only A.G. Sessions would apply RICO to AGW Climatologists. As a Taxpayer who’s money was wasted on known Fraudulent Science started by one Man’s Hockey Stick Chart; I want to see AGW Climatologists lose their positions, their pensions, and spend some time staring at vertical bars.
. . . Climate Ca-Ching . . brilliant R.Shearer. . . Permission to steal and redistribute!
Everyone is still free to come up with an alternative to fossil fuels if they so choose. Nobody is preventing that from happening.
But Steyer, Musk, Gore, etc. can’t risk “their” billions.
Of course not–they’re greedy socialists sponging off taxpayer funds. If they were alpha males, they’d put their money where their mouths are.
Natgeo: the planet will be covered by dead trees! They didn’t get the memo that over the last decade forest cover has expanded 14%! This new forest (and the rejuvenated old) are more drought resistant, and the massive sequestration of ‘carbon’ is an endothermic (cooling) activity. Moreover creation of biomass through C-sequestration is exponential overlayed on a n~approximately linear addition to atmosspheric. Apparently zoo plankton increase likely dwarfs land effects. Henry’s Law is shrinking back to a supporting role in the carbon cycle.
It would be nice if our more analytical friends like Willis, or Rud would take on such an analysis of the attenuation of CO2 growth in the atmosphere and even the” Le Chatelier” negative feed back of the endothermic rapid growth of plants and sea organisms. With the ‘Pause’ like hysteria of the drowning climate rats vis a vis greening, it must be bigger than even we thought!
Truly amazing, to me, is the rank vitriol displayed by these Algorians. These folks are dangerous. They throw one or two blanket statements at you, then when you don’t bite, out come the fangs, the spewed insults, and the mindless hate. So scary that there are so many of them.
And, and, for the most part, these people you are talking about are the ones who constantly preach the importance of tolerance.
What’s with that?
Complaining about Trump is just another form of Virtue Signalling.
Obama (and other Western Leaders) signing on to the Paris Accord was also Virtue Signalling.
Their signalling would cost working Americans trillions!
That shows you how much the Left ‘cares’ about you (not a whit – it’s all about themselves, vain and narcissistic douchebags).
Pruitt on withdrawing from the Paris climate deal
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5456706919001/?#sp=show-clips
Far Left Liberals are now commi