TV weatherman goes off on climate skeptics: "put up or shut up"

Greg Fishel, WRAL says on his Facebook page

Greg Fishel, WRAL-TV, Raleigh, NC

PUT UP OR SHUT UP

You know everybody reaches their breaking point and quite frankly I have reached mine with the folks who post all over the internet about the scientific fallacies of man induced climate change. All of them are guest bloggers or essayists. None of this stuff has ever been published in a peer reviewed atmospheric science or climate journal. But we live in an age today where higher education and research are no longer respected. Heck, think of all the money my parents wasted on my education when I could have waited for the age of twitter and Facebook and declared myself as an expert in the field of my choice. That’s sarcasm to illustrate asininity. But wait! Let’s say one of these guest essayers is a modern day Galileo, and has that critical piece to the puzzle that no other scientist has. Then they should submit their findings to one of the American Meteorological Society’s peer reviewed journals for publication. If they are rejected, and the author feels unfairly, then make public each and every one of the reviewers’ comments for the entire world to see. If there is bias and corruption in the peer review process, everyone needs to know about it so this flawed process can be halted and corrected. But ya know what? I doubt any of these folks has the guts to do this, and they’ll continue on with their pathetic excuse for science education. So prove me wrong bloggers and essayists. Submit your work the way real scientists do, and see where it takes you. Uncover that bias and corruption you’re so convinced is present. If you end up being correct, society will owe you a huge debt of gratitude. If you’re wrong, stop muddying the scientific waters with ideological trash.


Wow, I guess he doesn’t read beyond the AMS/BAMS much, because there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question the claims of [dangerous] climate change.

Let’s help him out.

Update: Added from comments, via “Aphan”

No Tricks Zone has a list I like to use for recent papers published:

248 skeptical, PEER REVIEWED and PUBLISHED papers in 2014

282 skeptical, PEER REVIEWED and PUBLISHED papers in 2015

500 skeptical, PEER REVIEWED and PUBLISHED papers in 2016

http://notrickszone.com/248-skeptical-papers-from-2014/#sthash.UY4U91NX.dpbs

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commieBob
May 23, 2017 9:56 am

Wow, I guess he doesn’t read beyond the AMS/BAMS much, because there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question the claims of climate change.
Let’s help him out.

There are darn few peer reviewed papers that actually purport to prove that anthropogenic CO2 will result in runaway global warming leading to catastrophe. By the same token there are darn few that state the opposite. Each paper is a small part of the puzzle. Here’s an example of how it works.
CLAIM: Twentieth century warming is unprecedented. RESPONSE: There are literally thousands of papers listed at the medieval warm period project at co2science.org . CONCLUSION: The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was at least as warm as it is now (probably warmer) and it was global in extent. Therefore, twentieth century warming is not unprecedented. Since the MWP was obviously a result of natural variation, it is likely that the twentieth century warming is also a result of natural variation.
If that’s what Mr. Fischel wants, there’s plenty more where that came from.

Chimp
Reply to  commieBob
May 23, 2017 10:50 am

Hence Overpeck’s “need to get rid of the MWP”, thence Mann’s “Hockey Stick”.

commieBob
Reply to  Chimp
May 23, 2017 3:48 pm

At risk of mangling metaphors, it does look like Overpeck was caught holding the smoking gun. link

hunter
May 23, 2017 9:57 am

One of the most common effects of becoming a climate true believer is a lack of critical thinking skills, as this Viking meteorologist demonstrates so well. Perhaps his parents should have saved their money?

May 23, 2017 9:59 am

Ah, the perfect irony of criticizing people who post on the Internet without backing up their words with peer reviewed sources, by posting on the Internet without backing up his words with peer reviewed sources.
Anyway, there is nothing sacred nor perfect about the peer review process, especially as it relates to getting a journal article published. Anyone who thinks so should read “The Hockey Stick Illusion” by A.W. Montford and see some of what he went through to get articles critical of Mann published. Peer review is certainly a critical part of the scientific process, when it applies to identifying errors in research techniques, data collection and analysis, and so forth. But when it becomes a political process, which is the case in the “game” of getting research published, it becomes just another grey area in the broad spectrum of what we might call “science.”
I do believe that 95 percent of the stuff that is written on the Internet regarding climate science is absolute garbage. But that applies to things that are said on both sides of the debate. But then again, anyone who is paying attention understands that the Internet is generally not a great place for careful, well-defined, scientific-based discussion and arguments.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Chuck Cubbison
May 23, 2017 4:45 pm

Personally, I think that there is more cachet to posting an article on this blog than putting a micro-essay on Facebook! I don’t have a high opinion of Facebook.

WonkotheSane
May 23, 2017 10:05 am

Dear Mr. Fishel, Why is your ignorance our problem?

R.S. Brown
Reply to  WonkotheSane
May 23, 2017 10:32 am

Horny cone-heads are not news.

May 23, 2017 10:43 am

Oh no, I just noticed the town this guy is from, and it’s in the state I live in. Crap!
Just to be clear, all people from NC do not hang out on the front porch, smoking unfiltered cigarettes, watching the grass grow, while hosing down their babies in the front yard during the hot summers, as they condemn all those who disbelieve human-caused climate change catastrophe.

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
May 23, 2017 11:10 am

Judging by where he lives, I think it’s much more likely that he would be one to show up at some protest wearing a pussy hat and sporting some dumb sign that makes him think he is so clever.

Dave Fair
Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
May 23, 2017 12:07 pm

I identify people wearing such hats as vaghats. Let’s get the meme going.

Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
May 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Weren’t the dudes who are supposed to have worn those hats the ones who pillaged Europe?
Was Europe not enough?

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
May 28, 2017 8:34 am

Just to be clear, all people from NC do not hang out on the front porch, smoking unfiltered cigarettes, watching the grass grow, while hosing down their babies in the front yard during the hot summers, as they condemn all those who disbelieve human-caused climate change catastrophe

Just the NC weather people of the area.

Resourceguy
May 23, 2017 10:45 am

That is a big waste of time.

Berényi Péter
May 23, 2017 10:54 am

there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question the claims of [dangerous] climate change

No need to restrict ourselves to so called “sceptical” papers. See eg. The Observed Hemispheric Symmetry in Reflected Shortwave Irradiance, published in the Journal of Climate, which belongs to AMS.
It says annual average incoming shortwave radiation is the same for both hemispheres due to a peculiar property of Keplerian orbits. Oddly, annual average absorbed shortwave radiation is also measured to be the same (by satellites) for both hemispheres within 0.1 watts per square meter, in spite of the fact that the Southern Hemisphere has a much lower clear sky albedo (by about 6 watts per square meter, sixty times larger than that).
No computational climate model reproduces this observed symmetry, not even close. Therefore they are falsified, all of them.
This last sentence is of course missing from the paper, but everyone, except journalists and climate activists can see that much based on the text.

Schrodinger's Cat
May 23, 2017 10:58 am

He unintentionally raises the point that the wealth of peer reviewed papers that challenge the AGW alarmism is completely ignored by the Hockey Team. How unscientific is that?

Ron Williams
May 23, 2017 11:31 am

There was a good essay here at WUWT on April 15th/17 https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/15/discussion-five-reasons-blog-posts-are-of-higher-scientific-quality-than-journal-articles/ Perhaps Greg Fishel, at WRAL-TV, Raleigh, NC should make some discussion here, since as I understand it, meteorologists are probably the best trained experts about current weather issues, which is called climate when all tallied up after 30 years. I have always wondered why meteorologists (weathermen, or should it now be weather people?) aren’t given more respect and prestige about the climate debate. Maybe because 81% of them don’t believe hook line and sinker the ‘97% consensus’ by activist agendas, scientists and NGO’s? They should be, since they understand the core science of what makes weather tick hour by hour. Probably much more than some mathematical climate modelers.
We could promise to be extra civil, so as it doesn’t bog down into an embarrassing dust up argument about weather/climate and go off the rails making both sides look bad. Greg Fishel has already called us a bunch of loons, but I could get by that if he also promised to stick to defending ideas. Maybe he would be up for a friendly debate between Anthony and himself, and then we could all offer comments (peer reviewed by people here of various and many backgrounds) and everyone would know more about weather and climate issues when done. Plus it may help to bridge the gap between the alarmists and the skeptics, which is really what we are needing more of now and in the future. C’mon Greg, lets have some healthy discussion as you suggest, the forum is here with a global audience, and I am sure it would get very serious attention.

Logoswrench
May 23, 2017 11:51 am

Well after all he is a “weather man”. By the by isn’t anything this hump spews just weather and not climate? Lol.

MarkW
Reply to  Logoswrench
May 24, 2017 8:03 am

I’ve seen quite a few warmunists dismiss our Anthony because he is “just a weatherman”.

Bob Kutz
May 23, 2017 12:32 pm

Another one who mistakes ‘peer review’ for the scientific method . . .
All too common. It boils down to ‘argumentum ad verecundiam’ or appeal to authority.
It makes his argument as valid as the geocentric model of the universe prior to Galileo.

May 23, 2017 12:41 pm

Sorry…can’t get past the pic…

May 23, 2017 12:43 pm

Without the silly plastic hat, I could swear Mr Hammer is his younger brother.

May 23, 2017 12:57 pm
pbweather
May 23, 2017 1:57 pm

Meteorologists seem to fall into two categories. 1. Just defer to climate scientists and accept their view (I was one of those).
2. Actually look at the data yourself and compare to your own knowledge of weather and climate. (I did this when challenged by a scientist in another field). This guy is the former. A regurgitator and if not simply does not have the skills or knowledge to make judgment.

michael hart
May 23, 2017 2:03 pm

Poor guy looks like he’s turned troppo.

May 23, 2017 2:09 pm

> None of this stuff has ever been published in a peer reviewed atmospheric science or climate journal. But we live in an age today where higher education and research are no longer respected.
And this idiot doesn’t see the connection?

cloa5132013
May 23, 2017 2:27 pm

I see Greg Fishel is wearing the non-Viking helmet. Viking never wore helmets with horns- they’d be a pain to wear and draw people to their location. Vikings were practical.

May 23, 2017 3:12 pm

So prove me wrong bloggers and essayists. Submit your work the way real scientists do, and see where it takes you.

You mean submit like Michael Mann did? Trying to hide the data etc. from those (like a certain couple of statisticians) who could spot the flaws in treeringlogy?
Your heroes are the ones who made the expensive claims.
All they’ve put up are computer models that have failed to reflect reality.
Selah
(In the Psalms that means you are to pause and consider.)
Long past the time for them to “shut up”.

Chimp
Reply to  Gunga Din
May 23, 2017 4:22 pm

Or to play some music. Or get ready for what’s coming. It’s not clear what the ancient Hebrew word means, but psalms were meant to be sung.

tony mcleod
May 23, 2017 4:06 pm

Choir leading.
A cursory glance of the notrickszone link shows this statement:
“there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question the claims of [dangerous] climate change”
to be false. None I looked at questioned anything of the sort. I am sure the choir can fossick through and find an outlier or two, however it remains a false news statement… but confirms the bias and unleashes the usual torrent of misdirected bile.
Well done for such a positive contribution to scientific debate.

Chimp
Reply to  tony mcleod
May 23, 2017 4:28 pm

You read over 1350 papers since that link was posted?
Wow. Speed reading record!

tony mcleod
Reply to  Chimp
May 23, 2017 4:48 pm

No, a random ample of 7. That was enough to make the statement: “there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question the claims” patent hogwash so I stopped.
It’s pretty obvious Chimp, any post with the word “claim” in it, is the science you’re not encouraged to accept. And this post is just grist for the mill.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chimp
May 24, 2017 5:43 am

‘tony mcleod May 23, 2017 at 4:48 pm
No, a random ample of 7.”
That’s not even ample…less than 13.5%. I guess that is your basis for science in the opposite.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Patrick MJD
May 24, 2017 10:56 am

Uh, Patrick: I think 7 divided by 1350 is about 0.005.

Reply to  Dave Fair
May 24, 2017 11:12 am

Dave Fair,
You just have to understand and be fluent in “climate math”.
Using it, like President Obama was fond of doing, you can turn 41 papers (out of 11,944) that explicitly state that humans have caused most of the warming since 1950 into : “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.”
🙂 🙂 🙂

Dave Fair
Reply to  Patrick MJD
May 24, 2017 10:59 am

Why can’t we all just agree that one-half of 1% is sufficient to dismiss the remaining 99.5%?

Reply to  Chimp
May 24, 2017 11:26 am

Tony-
“It’s pretty obvious Chimp, any post with the word “claim” in it, is the science you’re not encouraged to accept. And this post is just grist for the mill.”
Um no, it’s pretty obvious (to anyone with a dictionary and/or a grasp of the English language) that since the word “claim” means either:
(verb) “to state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.”
(noun) “an assertion of the truth of something, typically one that is disputed or in doubt”
…that any post with the word “claim” in it, is not referring to ANYTHING scientific or fact/evidence based by definition!

tony mcleod
Reply to  tony mcleod
May 23, 2017 6:34 pm

A bit thundery.

Roger Knights
Reply to  tony mcleod
May 23, 2017 9:18 pm

The sentence you quoted should be revised thusly to be correct (probably):
“there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question undermine the claims of [dangerous] climate change”

Patrick MJD
Reply to  tony mcleod
May 24, 2017 5:44 am

That scares cows, and people like tony, in Queensland, Australia.

Reply to  tony mcleod
May 24, 2017 8:43 am

Wow. Tony, either you have a comprehension problem, or the inability to accurately respond to statements.
1. The embedded link in the phrase “there are thousands of peer reviewed papers that question the claims of [dangerous] climate change” goes to a site called Popular Technology.net, not to NoTrickZone. The link to the papers listed on the NoTrickZone site is below that link under “Update”.
2. This is a privately owned blog, not a “news” site or organization. Thus while you might disagree with Anthony’s personal OPINION that the “peer reviewed papers” linked to do indeed call into “question the claims of [dangerous] climate change”, you don’t get to label his opinion a “false news statement”.
3.YOUR opinion that those papers do NOT call dangerous climate change into question bears the exact same weight that Anthony’s does that they do. Those papers are positive contributions to the scientific debate about how the mechanisms of this world operate, and in ALL of the research embodied in them you will not find ANY proof that ANY form of climate change will/must/can-only- turn-out-to-be “dangerous.”
4.Please list the 7 papers you randomly selected to read so that we can also review them and have a positively scientific debate about whether or not the conclusions of those papers support the claim of DANGEROUS climate change or not. I look forward to it!

David S
May 23, 2017 4:21 pm

The plastic Viking horns makes everything he says more authentic

Chimp
Reply to  David S
May 23, 2017 4:32 pm

This axeman could have told the toy-helmeted TV WXperson quite a bit about climate:comment image

Scott
May 23, 2017 5:23 pm

When you’ve got no argument, you double down.

TA
May 23, 2017 5:38 pm

Tanya, why are you posting gibberish like this? Same thing in several other recent threads. Is this a bot?

Sur Scriver
May 23, 2017 6:41 pm

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Whistle Blower- Dr. Bates
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=368336266874990&id=335495933492357
A high-level whistleblower at the Natfional kOceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) thas revealed that the organization published manipulated data in a major 2015 report on climate change in order to maximize impact on world leaders at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.
According to a report in The Mail on Sunday, NOAA scientist Dr. John Bates has produced “irrefutable evidence” that the NOAA study DENYING the “pause” in global warming in the period since 1998 was based on false and misleading data.
Dr. Bates accused the lead author of the paper, Thomas Karl, of “insisting on decisions and scientific choices that maximized warming and minimized documentation.” Bates says that Karl did so “in an effort to discredit the notion of a global warming pause, rushed so that he could time publication to influence national and international deliberations on climate policy.”
Bates said that NOAA bypassed its own protocol, never subjecting the report to NOAA’s strict internal evaluation process. Rather, NOAA superiors rushed the study through in a “blatant attempt to intensify the impact” of the paper on the Paris meeting on climate change, he said.
The “Pausebuster” paper produced by NOAA in 2015 was based on two new sets of temperature data—one measuring land temperatures and the other sea temperatures—both of which turned out to be flawed.
According to reports, NOAA has now decided to replace the sea temperature dataset just 18 months after it was issued, because it used “unreliable methods which overstated the speed of warming.”
A reported increase in sea surface temperatures was due to upwards adjustments of readings from fixed and floating buoys to agree with water temperature measured by ships, according to Bates.
Bates said that NOAA had good data from buoys but then “they threw it out and ‘corrected’ it by using the bad data from ships. You never change good data to agree with bad, but that’s what they did – so as to make it look as if the sea was warmer.”
The land temperature dataset, on the other hand, was the victim of software bugs that rendered its conclusions “unstable,” Bates said.
Climate change skeptics have long insisted that scientists are susceptible to political and social pressures to produce the “right kind” of data to back up specific policy decisions.
Dr. Duane Thresher, a climate scientist with a PhD from Columbia University and NASA GISS, has pointed to a “publication and funding bias” as a key to understanding how scientific consensus can be manipulated.
Although scientists are held up as models of independent thinkers and unbiased seekers of truth, the reality is that they depend on funding even more than other professions, and will study what they are paid to study.
The Obama administration, which persistently denied that a climate debate even existed, channeled billions of federal dollars into programs and studies that supported its claims, while silencing contrary opinions.
Thomas Karl, the lead author on the Pausebuster paper, had a longstanding relationship with President Obama’s chief science adviser, John Holdren, giving him a “hotline to the White House.” Holdren was an ardent advocate of vigorous measures to curb emissions.
“In reality, it’s the government, not the scientists, that asks the questions,” said David Wojick, an expert on climate research spending and a longtime government consultant.
Federal agencies order up studies that focus on their concerns, so politics ends up guiding science according to its particular interests.
“Government actions have corrupted science, which has been flooded by money to produce politically correct results,” said Dr. William Happer, professor emeritus of physics at Princeton University and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.
“It is time for governments to finally admit the truth about global warming. Warming is not the problem. Government action is the problem,” he said.
NOAA, the world’s leading source of climate data, not only produced a severely flawed study for political motives, it also mounted a cover-up when challenged over its data.
Not long after the study’s publication, the US House of Representatives Science Committee initiated an inquiry into its claims that no pause in global warming had existed. NOAA refused to comply with subpoenas demanding internal emails and falsely claimed that no one had raised concerns about the paper internally.
President Donald Trump has pledged he will withdraw from the Paris Agreement that binds signer countries to a series of stringent measures to lessen emissions. The
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