From the American Council on Science and Health comes this interesting but awkward moment in science communications.
By Alex Berezow
Recently, I gave a seminar on “fake news” to professors and grad students at a large public university. Early in my talk, I polled the audience: “How many of you believe climate change is the world’s #1 threat?”
Silence. Not a single person raised his or her hand.
Was I speaking in front of a group of science deniers? The College Republicans? Some fringe libertarian club? No, it was a room full of microbiologists.
How could so many incredibly intelligent people overwhelmingly reject what THE SCIENCE says about climate change? Well, they don’t. They just don’t see it as big of a threat to the world as other things. Unsurprisingly, the vast majority of them felt that antibiotic resistance and pandemic disease were the biggest global threats. One person thought geopolitical instability was the biggest concern.
I told them that I believed poverty was the world’s biggest threat. The reason is poverty is the underlying condition that causes so much misery in the world. Consider that 1.3 billion people don’t have electricity. And then consider how the lack of that basic necessity — what the rest of us take completely for granted — hinders their ability to develop economically and to succeed, let alone to have access to adequate healthcare. If we fix poverty, we could stop easily preventable health problems, such as infectious disease and malnutrition.
Was I booed out of the room? No, the audience understood why I believed what I did. But woe unto you who try to have a similar conversation with climate warriors.
Woe Unto You, Bret Stephens
Conservative columnist Bret Stephens, formerly of the Wall Street Journal, landed a new gig at the New York Times. His very first column, “Climate of Complete Certainty,” caused much weeping and gnashing of teeth. And probably the rending of garments. What did he say that caused so much outrage?
In a nutshell, his thesis was that certainty often backfires. He used the Hillary Clinton campaign as an example; in his view, certainty of victory was one factor in her defeat. Next, Mr. Stephens drew an analogy with climate science, worrying that the certainty expressed by the most vocal proponents of major climate policy reforms are speaking with a sense of certainty that is not well-founded. He warned against taking imperfect models too seriously and the dangers of hyperbolic doom-mongering.
It often irks me when political commentators write about science, usually because they haven’t the foggiest clue what they’re talking about. But Mr. Stephens’ article used reasonable and cautious language, and to my knowledge, he didn’t write anything that was factually incorrect. He simply concluded, as I myself have, that doomsday prophesying is wrong — and even if it was right, it convinces few people, anyway. (Do the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church change anyone’s mind?)
Yet, the reaction was swift and entirely predictable. Vox, whose stated mission is to “explain the news,” called Mr. Stephens a “bullshitter.” GQ ran the headline, “Bret Stephens Is Why Liberals Have Every Right to Be Dicks.” And Wikipedia (whose founder is going to try to solve the problem of fake news) labeled him a “contrarian.”
All that because Mr. Stephens warned against speaking hyperbolically. The concept of irony appears to be lost on his critics.
Can Smart People Disagree About the Threat of Climate Change?
What so many in the media (and apparently the climate science community) fail to understand is that people have different values and priorities. Foreign policy analysts are terrified of North Korea. Economists fear Brexit and a Eurozone collapse. Geologists, especially those in the Pacific Northwest, fear a huge earthquake. Experts across the spectrum perceive threats differently, usually magnifying those with which they are most familiar.
That means smart people can accept a common core of facts (such as the reality of anthropogenic global warming) without agreeing on a policy response.
Yet instead of being a place to debate a policy response for complex science issues, the media have chosen to be an extension of the militant Twitterverse. Even if you are just discussing courses of action, you are not allowed to deviate from climate orthodoxy lest you be labeled a science-denying heretic.
Perhaps journalists should spend more time talking to microbiologists.
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Alex – almost fell of my chair this morning: writing in WUWT and New Scientist?!?!
What’s it like to have telepathic mind control?
Or is something good happening to editorial policy over at NS?
First you have to define “the world”, and then you have to define “threat”. The word threat is an emotion-laden one. It assumes there is some sort of imminent danger. The only folks claiming that are the Climate Liars. They need people to be fearful, in order to push the lies they tell.
So – how are 1.3 million people going to get electricity (which I might add they do want: living without is a choice in the developed world, not so elsewhere)
Well conventional grids and fossil fuel power have not provided this in the last 50 years…
but increasingly reenwable energy, especially solar is delivering.
It starts with solar LED lanterns, sold cheaply, making a ral differnce in allowing (for example) kids to study after dark and reducing energy poverty (the kerosene lantern is expensive to fill and takes a lot of peoples income)
Then there are larger solar/battery set ups, often incorporating existing diesel generators… extends the power available and means much less expensive diesel gets used.
Scaling up the Kenyan govt is right now connecting every Kenyan. And wind, geothermal and solar are a big part of that.
Nationally we have Morocco – no large fossil fuel resource of its own to speak of, spending lots importing it. Homegrown solar CSP designs and solar panels are supplying round the clock electricity and improving the balance of payments.
A solar plant like the one recently put in in Rwanda can double a city’s grid power in Africa in months.
Griff May 9, 2017 at 3:55 am
“”So – how are 1.3 million people going to get electricity (which I might add they do want: living without is a choice in the developed world, not so elsewhere)””
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I honestly doubt you even care about 1.3 million people that live without electricity.
Living without electricity in the “developed world” is no different. If you honestly believe there are no people in the “developed world” that have no funds for electricity, you haven’t done your homework.
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“”Well conventional grids and fossil fuel power have not provided this in the last 50 years…””
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Right Griff, those so called “leaders – politicians- presidents- ect.. of those living in that “elsewhere” you claim have electricity ? dont they? gosh, i mean how could a leader from that “elsewhere” be a leader of any said “elsewhere” without actual electricity? why not their people?
I think what you meant to say was that the rich greedy heads of those countries continue to deny their people the right to have electricity, while they bask in the sun themselves,
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“”but increasingly reenwable energy, especially solar is delivering.””
“”It starts with solar LED lanterns, sold cheaply, making a ral differnce in allowing (for example) kids to study after dark and reducing energy poverty (the kerosene lantern is expensive to fill and takes a lot of peoples income)””
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That is touching, how children can actually starve all day long, haul water for miles, ect……
but yet a single solar LED is going to Magically change their life…
Get a Grip Griff……. really.
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“”Then there are larger solar/battery set ups, often incorporating existing diesel generators… extends the power available and means much less expensive diesel gets used.””
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yes, good idea ! lets pollute the land with zillions of batteries !
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“”Scaling up the Kenyan govt is right now connecting every Kenyan. And wind, geothermal and solar are a big part of that.
Nationally we have Morocco – no large fossil fuel resource of its own to speak of, spending lots importing it. Homegrown solar CSP designs and solar panels are supplying round the clock electricity and improving the balance of payments.
A solar plant like the one recently put in in Rwanda can double a city’s grid power in Africa in months.””
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Are you sure you’re not an actual UN member?
Are you Leonardo?
Are you Nye?
Who really, are you ?
I’m listening for your truth, but gosh, can’t seem to find it.
“I’m listening for your truth, but gosh, can’t seem to find it.”
You won’t, because there isn’t any.
Griff is a paid “Renewables” propagandist for spivs like “Sir” Reg Shffield, Mrs. Nick Clegg, Chris Huhne, Tim Yeo, John Gummer, Al Gore and all the other trough snouters ripping off the public with their subsidy farms.
As long as he gets a bit of beer money, he couldn’t care less about the thousands that die of fuel poverty every winter in the UK, the 330,000 households that were disconnected from the grid in Germany last year, the fact that the funds wasted on the AGW hoax could supply clean drinking water to over a billion families in the Third world ten times over or the massive number of birds and bats killed by the windfarms and solar farms like Tonopah.
But hey, what do all those minor details matter to a virtue-signalling Watermelon when there are a few beers to be earned?
How many people did not have electricity 50 years ago? How about 150 years ago?
You would be funny if you added a /sarc tag, but are simply sad because you never think before posting!
Mankind will likely become extinct due to the planet just killing us off by using one of its many well-tested methods. We are not endangering a fragile planet, we are surviving on a very hostile planet!
That’s 1.3 billion, not million. And no one here argues that, in some cases, renewables may make sense, as a stop-gap measure. It isn’t up to us to decide that though. And it certainly isn’t (or shouldn’t be) up to those pushing the “low-carbon” lie for ideological reasons.
The greatest threat to civilization is the breakdown of the nuclear family, which is the primary factor in its development. See C. Owen Lovejoy’s study in Science and The Family and Civilization by Carle Zimmerman.
Is drunk driving/measles/autism/ the worlds No.1 threat? No. Should we do something about it? Yes.
Except that “climate change” is not a threat. So far, more CO2 in the air has been beneficial. There is no evidence that even more plant food will somehow be bad.
seaice1, I, personally, can’t do a thing about any of that. Do-gooders bother me.
Tom … Did I miss something? What is it about Opus Dei that causes you to label its adherents “fanatics”? Ever read Sceptre Publishing? Saint Jose Maria Escriva? How fanatic?
Some of my late mother’s friends in California were in Opus Dei. About as bad as my late father’s cousins who were Birchers.
During Escrivá’s beatification process, his former personal assistant, Monsignor Vladimir Felzmann, accused him of having supported H!tler.
The Church must have decided that the charge was baseless, since it went ahead and canonized him.
IMO Liberation Theology advocates, like the present, Marxist pope, are at least as fanatical as the most right-wing Opus Dei member.
SJW all the way!