Professor John Joachim Schellnhuber, Climate Adviser to the Pope dials up the alarm, not to 11, but to TWELVE.
“Planet could warm by 12 degrees, I have all the evidence” “Scientists have to take to the streets to counter denial”
“If we want to hold the 1.5 degrees [Celsius; 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit] line, which is the ambitious goal of the Paris agreement, we have maybe 300 billion tons left – more or less the budget of 10 years – if we do business as usual. If we want to hold the 2 degrees line, which is more realistic, we have another 20 to 30 years to go, but no more actually. So it’s a very tight budget.
It’s quite mind-boggling – for example, by 2030, we have to phase out the combustion engine. And we have to completely phase out the use of coal for producing power. By 2040 we will probably have to replace concrete and steel for construction by wood, clay and stone.
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We are at the crossroads now: We either say: this thing is too big for us, this task cannot be done. [Then] we will be transformed by nature, because we will end up with a planet warming by 4, 5, 6 or even 12 degrees. It would be the end of the world as we know it, and I have all the evidence.”
Interview: Schellnhuber: ‘Scientists have to take to the streets’ to counter climate denial [h/t to Dennis Ambler]
Heck, why not just go to 15C or 20C, and really get people worried? I’m sure there’s a model for that.
There’s also a model for this particular kind of doomsday thinking.
In case you missed the pun about 12, see this.
I thought concrete re-absorbed most of the CO2 within a few decades.
So when looked from a 50-year perspective, use of CO2 is neutral.
Or am I totally mis-remembering?
50 year time frame? But he really wants most of the people dead within 20 years
There is some reabsorption (via carbonation)but far from all that released in the original cement calcining. Per the cement industry website.
From: http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v9/n12/abs/ngeo2840.html
“In total, we estimate that a cumulative amount of 4.5 GtC has been sequestered in carbonating cement materials from 1930 to 2013, offsetting 43% of the CO2 emissions from production of cement over the same period”
Not as good as I recalled, but certainly a significant CO2 sink and meaningful portion of the 1930-2013 cement is less than a couple decades old, so still absorbing CO2. It must be at least a 50% reabsorption within 50 years of manufacture.
Here’s the few charts in the paper:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v9/n12/carousel/ngeo2840-f1.jpg
Well, you found a better paper than I did. Kudos. Point remains the same. Highest regards.
It takes a matter of hours to calcine a load of limestone, but it takes years to decades to partially re-carbonate the cement, especially for massive structures like dams.
Greg, that paper is a bit misleading as it only uses emissions from the calcination of the limestone when calculating the 43% offset. It doesn’t include the fuel used to heat the limestone, so the actual offset is closer to 20% when all emissions are included. Even so, that is a significant amount that is not usually considered in CO2 budgets.
Luckily, we have a model for how to achieve the goals of this criminal clique: Pol Pot of Cambodia already did it:
“Pol Pot presided over a totalitarian dictatorship,[6] in which his government made urban dwellers move to the countryside to work in collective farms and on forced labour projects. The combined effects of executions, strenuous working conditions, malnutrition and poor medical care caused the deaths of approximately 25 percent of the Cambodian population.[7][8][9][10] In all, an estimated 1 to 3 million people (out of a population of slightly over 8 million) perished as a result of the policies of his four-year premiership”
The results will necessarily be the exact same as were Pol Pot’s results: genocide, mass killings, slave-labor, misery, death, destruction.
It’s what PC-Progressivism is all about.
But don’t worry this criminal and his buddies will be planning our labor assignments, so it’ll all be okay!
But the Church will be there to hold us in it’s loving embrace and assure us that a better world awaits us.
That and we’ll need all the Priests again because they’ll be the only ones who can read and interpret the ancient texts for us.
It’s not really a coincidence that Pol Pot should come up in a discussion of this Pope’s science advisor. Power based on zealous belief and contradicted by reality.
Coach,
“It’s not really a coincidence that Pol Pot should come up in a discussion of this Pope’s science advisor….”
It’s not a coincidence because: This German is advocating EXACTLY what Pol Pot implemented in Cambodia:
A return to a pre-industrial “nirvana.”
And the only way to make that happen is EXACTLY as Pol Pot made it happen: Force, brutal force. Forced evacuations of the cities. Forced agricultural labor. Forced marriages. Forced killings. Force, force, force.
We have seen the future: It is a hob-nailed boot stepping on your face a thousand times a day.
Shut up and appreciate your nirvana, you damned reactionary!
here in the Netherlands elections, the green party quadrupled in size to about 10% of the votes.
Their goal is immense green taxation and a quick transition to solar and wind. And guess who their voters are: YUPs. The most educated group. (or brainwashed?)
If they succeed, my children certainly will live in deep poverty in rural agricultural settlements only to serve the elite. Slavery is the result of energy scarcity. Calling it communism or sustainability doesn’t change that.
Send money now before it’s too late!!
Isn’t that what they are taking to the streets for?
“Hello, sailor? Fancy a nice time, darling? I can keep the white lab coat on if you like.”
If you’re going to tell a lie, make it a BIG one.
The Pinoccio effect,
If you tell a big enough lie and your nose doesn’t grow it must be the truth
These people are stark raving mad you know.
Remember “Revenge of the Nerds?” Yeah. That!
Schellnhuber is also nicknamed Schelmhuber, the pronunciation in German is almost indistinguishable, even for native speakers. A “Schelm” is a knave or scoundrel…
This advisor misuses that 97% figure (dreamed up) by John Cook. All that 97% meant, at best, was that mankind has contributed “something” to global warming, which is light years away from
any 12 degree warming.
Clearly his model is better. Other models stop at 10, some go to 11, but those models, those models take it to the next level.
And where is he going to get the electricity from to drive this to #12 ???
Models that go to 11 run on their own electricity, add a 12 and you’re making excess electricity. Tour the world and elsewhere and you learn these things.
The work on climate models, what worked and what does ot work, supports the idea that the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record. There is plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero.
“There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate.”
Yup. Of course, Schellnhuber says he “has all the evidence,” so I suppose he could just show us, but likely all he has is more insistence that his pet hypothesis is fact and a bunch of GIGO computer models that assume it is fact, like the rest of the “Climastrologists.”
“There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record.”
Amazing how they seem to keep ignoring that “inconvenient truth.” (Sorry, couldn’t resist.) Of course, given time, they’ll go back to those “inconvenient records” and “adjust” them in 1984esque fashion to make them fit the BS story of CO2 induced catastrophe.
“There is plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero.”
Including the aforementioned paleoclimate record. Or, as I now LOVE to put it: “Observation TRUMPS theory.” ;-D
I guess the good professor wants to party like it’s 1977. That was the pre-weather satellite era, after all. 😉
http://youtu.be/i9_e0rRvyz8
A strait-jacket and a padded cell seem appropriate for this guy. Where do they find these raving loonies?
He is the founding director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research but has a long reach, https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/john/cv.
He is on the Advisory Board of the LSE/Imperial Grantham Institutes, LSE Grantham chairman Nick Stern has been on the “Scientific Advisory Board” of his Potsdam Institute, as has Imperial Grantham boss, Brian Hoskins.
Currently on both the Grantham board and the Potsdam board is Jennifer Morgan, currently co-CEO of Greenpeace International, formerly Climate Action Network, WWF, World Resources Institute and UK’s E3G. Also on the board is Penny Sackett of the Australian National University.
Potsdam is also the home of Real Climate’s Stefan Rahmstorf and Economist Ottmar Edenhofer, (climate policy is about wealth re-distribution). They have an “Outreach” strategy, (infiltration) and have made significant inroads into Australian Universities, see Tony Thomas’s Quadrant Online piece on this:
https://tthomas061.wordpress.com/2015/04/28/die-grunshirts-parachute-into-parkville/
Look at the bloke – he is creepy. Nothing would surprise me about him.
He looks kind of like “Smithers” from the Simpsons. I can imagine him speaking in the same voice, too.
Dang, to me he looks kinda like Charles Montgomery Burns. But I do like the comparison to The Simpsons.
Wouldn’t want to defame Homer however, through comparison ……
That guy has form, he’s as mad as a box of frogs
” It would be the end of the world as we know it, ”
Would that be so bad?
The end is nigh. Sequester a baby to save the world. The Choice is yours.
Oh, and Send. More. Money. The ivory towers have taken on a twilight hue.
Rome could help Vatican to lead by example.
Perhaps the Vatican City should lead by example and immediately disconnect from the grid to prove sustainability doesn’t require Carbon. Oh and no more Hydrated Carbon for their morning cuppa either
So now instead of giving 110%, they want 120%.
yea, that will work. Hehehehe
John Schellnhuber?
Do you mean Hans Joachim Schellnhuber from Potsdam Institut für Klimafolgenforschung (PIK)?
Thanks, fixed. Danged autocorrect.
He prefers to call himself John for public consumption, as you can see in his Potsdam cv link:
https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/john/cv.
Nurse!
I have all the evidence.
Show it to us.
He doesn’t have it, as this is chronic German warmist bigot, Schellnhuber babbling again.
Climate change is real and it has infected every western institution. The proof is piling up as the same institutions go down.
Professor John Schellnhuber, please follow your own instructions: Turn off the lights and the heating//cooling, don’t drive//fly ever again, and simply reflect on your thoughts in your cave. Sweet dreams.
And
http://toonclips.com/600/cartoon-boy-turning-blue-while-holding-his-breath-by-ron-leishman-533.jpg
That’s right; hold on to your inner co2.
I had a similar reaction on seeing how he is definitely not living in the world he wants us to live in.
Will his new, wattle and daub dwelling have windows or any metal given the high energy required to produce/smelt both?
Alaric is at the gates of the city.
And this man is a Professor. Really. You could not make this up.
Schellnhuber is the leading advisor to the German chancellor Merkel, on all things concerning climate. I think the heat he warns against, is mainly coming from under his feet. Like so many other alarmists, he is getting more and more desperate. He seems to prefer to relate to the 2 degree target (which he himself created), because that’s 20-30 years into the future, according to the co2 “budget”. Whereas the 1,5 degree target leaves us only 10 years. And there’s a chance he’d still be around then, but not so likely -at least not in the public sphere- in 20-30 years. The same old “disaster will come when I’ve retired” warning. I think he sees a lot of scary writing on the wall of his institute. A spell has been broken across the Atlantic, and IMO there are lots of “closet skeptics” in the political elites of Europe waiting for the right moment to come out. A tipping point. As so often before, America is leading the way, but Europeans will wait some time before following suit, so that the about turn is not too obviously embarrassing. Schellnhuber has had his glory days, basking in the inner and outer glow of political influence. But, “those who take politics, shall perish by politics”.
The problem is not with this strange guy sitting in an advisory board of the german government. The real issue is that the whole advisory board ( http://www.wbgu.de/en/council-members/2016-2020/ ) shares his extreme views on politics and environment and has already developed a totalitarian strategy, how society has to be transformed to deal with the environmental challenges mankind is causing.
It took this advisory board 8 years to convince the government to start the green “Energiewende”. Now the board is not only requesting the transformation of society it is also claiming a permanent seat in government for the advisory board. This governmental science advisor cannot be voted for and he can also not be passed by by politics. He is supposed to check and eventually block every political decision when it comes to sustainability.
What else than totalitarian is this? And this not theoretical thinking. These are official claims of officially operating government advisors.
Those who can, do.
Those who can’t, teach.
‘Scientists have to take to the streets’ to counter climate denial’
What the hell is ‘climate denial’?
Stephen, I think you know really.
seaice1,
It was a rhetorical question intended to point out the absurdity of the pejorative “climate denial” meme.
Clyde, and how would you analyse my response?
Stupid. As usual.
Good one MarkW, I chuckled at that.
US Climate Scientists should all be encouraged to take to the streets, at the same time to protest
Then Trump can have the office door locks changed.