On top of everything else at #LakeOroville, there was a funnel cloud today

From the “mother nature just won’t cut this town a break” department and Oroville resident Belinda Mcfadden who sends these pictures via Facebook.

She notes that the funnel cloud was “Above Oroville Walmart around 4PM”

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R. Shearer
February 22, 2017 6:34 pm

Over the Walmart, seeking a trailer park?

Reply to  R. Shearer
February 22, 2017 6:43 pm

The nine dams above Oroville must spill soon. To be absolutely clear. Get to high ground, at least 500 foot above the surrounding ground if you are below the main spillway. A pineapple express is coming. There is no excuse for listening to the government unless they put their families below the main dam wall do not listen.
It is now the time for doing.

Reply to  Geoff
February 22, 2017 7:05 pm

Go ahead … please provide a single shred of credible proof to support this claim.
The DATA and statistics show the Oroville Reservoirs damaged spillway has been safely ran for most of the week at 100,000 cfs. It drew down the lake level by 50 feet. More than 700,000 acre feet drained without problem.
The lake is now at its normal flood control elevation. It has enough capacity to shut down the spillway entirely and handle all of the inflow that occurred during the early January 15″ rain event.
The inflow peak for last weeks mega storm passed thru the reservoir late yesterday. Even with the flow rate turned down to 60,000 cfs all that ran amounted to an appx 2′ increase in the reservoir levels. Officials predicted an appx 100,cfs max inflow from last weeks heavy rains … actual number 93,264.
Nope – they don’t know anything…
Additionally the Cal AWR has filled the erosion in the emergency spillway, and armored the spillway bench with boulders and concrete.
I encourage people NOT to listen to the fear-mongers. There are plenty of credible legitimate sources.
And – as always – look at the data yourself … which you can get right here:

Reply to  R. Shearer
February 22, 2017 7:26 pm

One more reason to get your shopping done in the morning.

February 22, 2017 6:42 pm

Aw, it was just a cute little one.

February 22, 2017 6:48 pm

Jerry – you got your boots on the ground? Or are you supervising that bullet train to nowhere – just wondering

Craig Moore
February 22, 2017 6:50 pm

Gaia can be a real suck up.

Tom Halla
February 22, 2017 6:53 pm

I lived in California for nearly 50 years, and there were very few thunderstorms, and I recall even fewer tornadoes.

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 22, 2017 7:10 pm

The LA basin gets tornadoes. It seems they get one in at least half of wet seasons with strong El Ninos. LA basin tornadoes are not completely confined to El Nino wet seasons. They are less common elsewhere in California but they do occasionally happen.

Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
February 22, 2017 7:59 pm

The Death Valley region has them too. Technically, it’s a convection vortex, not a true tornado, but it’ll blow you down just the same. And has the added freakiness of being nigh invisible. (Rocky deserts like the US Southwest have little loose dirt and debris to swirl around.)

Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
February 23, 2017 5:45 am

“convection vortex” – I grew up in Phoenix, the desert there gets “dust devils” in the summer, which happen on clear, hot, sunny days. Most are small and the kinds of things we kids could run through and laugh at, but I’ve seen some that would rip shingles off roofs – even one once that I estimated at being over 1000 feet tall and quite wide at the base, didn’t want to get near that one!

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
February 23, 2017 7:21 am

I use to work in Scottsdale and live in Mesa it was not unusual to see at leas five or six dust devils in the dry Salt river in the long the 202 during the summer, it a small wonder that Phoenix has a brown cloud hang over it some days those dust devils push a lot of dirt in the air (of course the EPA blame us human for all the dust.) I also live to Live in North Dakota they are common in the spring over the plowed field in the spring or the summer fallow during the summer. Have been fishing and having one toss the boat around was interesting but only an inconvenience not really a problem. Now cold air funnels are interesting not real a problem unless on comes down and you have a building not well built, If a cold air funnel hit my house here in Arizona the house would be fine my awnings not so much.

Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
February 23, 2017 7:55 am

As for brown clouds over cities: Their tint is usually mostly from nitrogen dioxide.

Kalifornia Kook
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
February 23, 2017 10:04 am

Like most places, if you live in a mobile home park, you will attract tornadoes, even here in Orange County, CA. They just don’t seem to come inland very far.
This year we’ve had an unusual number of thunderstorms. I rather enjoy the light and sound show, and they don’t make the house shake quite as hard as some Santa Anas.
I’ve been here since 1973.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
February 24, 2017 11:41 am

I got “run over” by one of those things stopped at a rest stop along I-80 in the `80’s It was no fun!

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 22, 2017 10:10 pm

Depends on where you live. I’ve got a cabin a hundred miles upstream from Oroville dam and there are lots of thunderstorms every summer.
I live in Washington most of the year, and most of the thunderstorms and hail in western Washington are March and April.
California has about 10 climates. Don’t generalize.

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 23, 2017 1:22 am

I don’t remember any touching down until the late ’70s when the ’70s “drought” ended. Then a small one in North Sac, IIRC, damaged trailers and a church – really. I did see a funnel cloud in El Dorado County in the late ’60s.

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 24, 2017 7:13 pm

Odd little area near LAX that gets tornadoes. Probably a result of winds rolling over the coastal dunes.

February 22, 2017 7:11 pm

It’s like an up-in-the-sky Berryessa thingie!

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  PiperPaul
February 22, 2017 10:16 pm


Anna Robic
Reply to  PiperPaul
February 22, 2017 10:20 pm

Monticello dam in the background is a concrete arch between rock abutments, built mid-late 1950s by U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, and operated by Solano County’s irrigation district. Huge water storage compared to average acre-feet of inflow, hence good through several dry years. My uncle was USBR’s head inspector for this “glory hole” spillway’s construction and strove to get the entire rim at the same elevation for equal water flow all around, as occasionally is re-confirmed, as shown here.
Curvy Hwy 128 past the lake was designed in Denver by USBR and has minimal superelevation (banking) on all the curves, per adamant USBR policy, to help prevent very slow moving vehicles driving on ice or packed snow in a blizzard from sliding off the side of the road on the low side of the banking.

Reply to  Anna Robic
February 23, 2017 1:25 am

That was good to learn. My grandfather worked on that project. I actually visited the construction site.

Reply to  Anna Robic
February 23, 2017 6:24 pm

I supervised a large project in the Middle East where the laborers, on their own, figured out how to level a large wrap around a building water feature. Without an instrument is sight they got out a very long garden hose. Millimeter perfect all the way around. Just like the pyramid builders 5,000 years ago.

Reply to  Anna Robic
February 24, 2017 7:14 pm

very cool….

Reply to  PiperPaul
February 22, 2017 10:22 pm

Anyone want to canoe Class VII rapids?

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
February 23, 2017 7:59 am

Put some scuba gear on & jump it. — More fun than Action Water Park!

February 22, 2017 7:36 pm

Praying for those affected by all that weather.

Reply to  jesusdidntgiveuponme
February 22, 2017 10:15 pm

“When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.”

Nigel S
Reply to  kazinski
February 23, 2017 12:22 am

‘Crash on the levee, mama
Water’s gonna overflow
Swamp’s gonna rise
No boat’s gonna row’
Bob nails it as usual

Leon Brozyna
February 22, 2017 7:55 pm

Infrastructure upgrade and maintenance is so mundane and boring; much more exciting is taxing the rich, you know, those making over $70K so that the poor can get “free” top of the line medical care. When a dam breaks, oh, that’s taken care of … it’s climate change, that evil bogeyman that is the result of all those rich capitalists; let’s all copy those lucky Venezuelans in their workers paradise, where they’re so lucky to be able to lose so much weight, courtesy their new chosen lifestyle.
And the government … they’re beyond reproach; just ask them; they’re doing all this at $150K out of selfless care for the downtrodden masses.

Reply to  Leon Brozyna
February 22, 2017 8:23 pm

Exploiting the middle class through tax and regulation, lining the pockets of the ruling elite, and giving the poor and indigent enough handouts to keep them voting said elites back into power. It is the socialist way. Pretty clever setup, as long as there’s still a middle class to exploit. It’s when they’ve been squeezed dry and the flow of Other People’s Money slows to a trickle that the house of cards collapses.

Reply to  Leon Brozyna
February 22, 2017 8:42 pm

It truly is heartwarming to see you love your fellow Americans so much.

Reply to  davidgmills
February 23, 2017 6:54 am

Criticizing the socialist boondoggle means you don’t love your fellow citizens?

February 22, 2017 8:25 pm

I never did care for Wal Mart.

Reply to  goldminor
February 23, 2017 1:27 am


Jimmy Haigh
February 22, 2017 8:35 pm

It never rains…

M Simon
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
February 22, 2017 9:03 pm

It often reigns.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
February 22, 2017 10:48 pm

It never rains here either when I go out. It only rains when I stay in.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 5:53 am

Seems it never rains in southern California
Seems I’ve often heard that kind of talk before
It never rains in California, but girl, don’t they warn ya?
It pours, man, it pours.

Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 9:26 pm
Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 10:19 pm

Looks like it will keel over the moment it hits water. In particular with those tw elephants on level 3.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 10:44 am

Not so. A scaled model was built to the specified dimensions and tested in the tow tank at MIT. A tow tank for ships/boats is the equivalent of a wind tunnel for aircraft. The vehicle was found, unsurprisingly, to be extremely stable. Today’s super tankers and cargo ships are essentially the same design. Of course you can grossly overload any ship to cause instability, but you’d have to severely increase the above water mass to upset the righting moments.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 10:26 pm
Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 10:30 pm

The half that’s left of it are great for a day sailing. Can recommend it.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 10:49 pm
Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 10:27 pm

Funny that. It says the idea was by an Australian creationist. I wonder where he would put the koalas as they are definitively not mentioned in the book. Some mothers do have them, as they say over here.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 2:44 am

Those who take the bible literally seem to fail to realise that prior to the earth being formed and rotating, there was no such thing as a “day”.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 6:09 am

just to be pedantic (but I think it sheds light on the entire controversy), the Hebrew word “Yom” is usually translated into English as “Day”, but it is also a general term for time, and can mean period, epoch, or season. Found a good explanation on the wiki stub: “Yom relates to the concept of time. Yom is not just for day, days, but for time in general. How yom is translated depends on the context of its use with other words around it.”
The claim that Genesis teaches a creation story of six strictly defined 24 hour days stems from the problems with translating ancient Hebrew into a language like English, which has far more words describing specific periods of time.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 6:57 am

I have read that ancient Hebrew doesn’t have a lot of words, and as such every word has many meanings and shades of meaning, depending on the context in which it is used.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 9:08 am

This all adds to AP’s assertion about people who take the bible literally. Seems to me a person can still believe the Bible while not taking all of the old stories literally.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 3:57 pm

In Noah’s Flood — the waters persisted for over 11 months, according to the Bible — how did the plants survive? Where did that lovely green olive branch grow?

Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 22, 2017 10:32 pm

…Hmmmm, I wonder how many starving children could have been fed with that colossal waste of money ??

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Butch
February 22, 2017 10:39 pm

That’s from the New Testament, Butch. These guys haven’t yet got that far.

Reply to  Butch
February 23, 2017 6:58 am

If it’s making money, then they can feed a lot of children on the profits.

Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 23, 2017 10:33 am

How exactly did all the modern creations end up in the daily lives of Noah and his family? Interesting portrait artwork on the walls of the living quarters depict sophistication of artistic development that would not exist for several centuries (millennia) after the deluge.

Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
February 23, 2017 11:36 pm

So first off, what’s a cubit??

Tom Halla
Reply to  barryjo
February 24, 2017 12:28 am

I think a cubit is the length from an elbow to a fingertip.

Chris 4692
February 22, 2017 10:16 pm

In Iowa we call it Wednesday.

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 22, 2017 10:35 pm

Many of those over the North Sea on a blustery day. As long as they don’t hit the water you don’t worry about them.

February 22, 2017 10:36 pm

Mother Nature showing people in Cali, that she’s “still in charge”! LOL!

February 22, 2017 10:47 pm

Well, they seem pretty confident that they have it in hand now…. The biggest drama for them was when the water overflowed the emergency spillway and it began to erode. They were worried about a loss of control and a surge of water.
Things settled down and the main spillway handled the flow rates despite its damage.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  J.H.
February 22, 2017 10:50 pm

But they clearly had and have a backlog of maintenance. Maybe they have learnt the lesson.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 12:37 am

And learn that engineers should have charge of the purse….not politicians.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 12:55 am

Engineers, like scientists, lawyers, physicians, farmers, and generals, should never control the purse.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 1:38 am

We should be so lucky. Jerry can’t get the d***** tunnels under the delta off his mind – his friends in SoCal really, really need that water – and schools, roads and dams are falling apart all over the state. The dams are treated fairly seriously. The counties have been in a mad push to improve a lot of rural and suburban bridges that are likely to come down. I’ve inspected some that were built in the ’20s and are largely unmodified. The abutment footings, bents and pilings often are seriously threatened by scour.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Duster
February 23, 2017 1:45 am

But Jerry Brown means so well in building the train to nowhere, and not doing anything about infrastructure. He can always try to get the Feds to pay for that when it fails/sarc

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
February 23, 2017 7:00 am

There’s an old saying in management:
It’s time to shoot the engineers and start production.
The meaning is that if given free rein, the engineers will always find one more improvement that’s needed before we can begin production. At some point management has to step in and declare that it is good enough.

Reply to  J.H.
February 23, 2017 5:15 am

Parkingsons Law – work expands to meet the time available for completion. When you have a never-ending drought, you feel like you have forever to finish whatever work on the dam needs to be done, so you can go to global warming conferences, read trade journals , etc. When the dam is in danger of being over topped next week, everything is done pronto.

Gareth Phillips
February 23, 2017 1:18 am

Isn’t it about now that some mad as a snake preacher suggests the town is being punished by a vengeful God for one reason or another? Maybe burning a few witches at the stake will be suggested, or seeking out Democratic voters with flaming torches or pitchforks. Does the town have a Gay community I wonder?
I’m sure Pat Robertson will let us know in good time what sin the good people have committed.

Reply to  Gareth Phillips
February 23, 2017 6:15 am

In today’s California, it’s going to be “The DENIERS!” who will be hunted down and burned, for angering Gaia with their pernicious impiety.
The left doesn’t quite yet accept that they have turned into the thing that they have always claimed to have opposed.

Reply to  Gareth Phillips
February 23, 2017 7:02 am

It never ceases to amaze me how socialists are always convinced that everyone else is as full of hatred as they are.
That and their unfailing belief that anyone who isn’t a socialist is stupid.

Reply to  MarkW
February 23, 2017 8:21 am

For them, categorically hating WASPs, or economically successful people in general, is considered virtuous, “correct” opinion. And they will indignantly deny or deflect when their double standards regarding prejudice are thrown up in their faces.
(Protip: In the KKK, categorically hating black people is considered virtuous.)

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
February 23, 2017 10:04 am

That is called Psychological Transference
Or slightly illogical projection

Reply to  Gareth Phillips
February 23, 2017 12:11 pm

Pat Robertson is a false prophet so it doesn’t matter what he will say.

February 23, 2017 1:23 am

There are few things in life as humbling as looking up into the sky and seeing a funnel cloud directly overhead – watching as the clouds move in circles.

February 23, 2017 6:13 am

According to the NOAA Storm Prediction Center, so far this year there have been 179 tornadoes reported with the average number reported by this time being 89. So we’re off to a strong start for the tornado season this year and it looks like it will continue. It appears that our string of relatively mild tornado seasons will most likely end this year.

February 23, 2017 6:55 am

Cold air funnel cloud… funny because we had one last week in AZ over Phoenix as well. Does this mean we need a dam? Or another Walmart? Or ???

Reply to  SteveC
February 23, 2017 8:28 am
Pop Piasa
Reply to  SteveC
February 23, 2017 8:51 am

…More trailer parks in Apache Junction!

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pop Piasa
February 23, 2017 8:56 am

Better yet, a bigger wall around Gold Canyon!

Reply to  Pop Piasa
February 23, 2017 5:49 pm

To keep people in or out?

February 23, 2017 7:21 am

Nothing unusual about high funnel clouds in the Central Valley. I’ve enjoyed watching them many times.

February 23, 2017 4:04 pm

A climate change funnel cloud non the less.

February 24, 2017 1:42 pm

Was thinking about Oroville Dam the other day and remembered seeing the rubber dredger pipe draped over everything as a kid. I was wondering if they could jury rig a big ass pump and run this stuff past the washed out part of the spillway.

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