Guest essay by Noel S. Williams
The Doomsday clock cannot simultaneously measure the threats of nuclear war and climate change.

The board of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists recently issued their 2017 Doomsday Clock Statement: it is two and a half minutes to midnight. That’s alarming – the closest the clock has been to midnight since 1953, when the superpowers were testing the hydrogen bomb.
If they are so intent on scaring us silly, their symbolic clock should be accurate, and that’s problematic since it tracks disparate threats with varying degrees of urgency: nuclear war; climate change; and emerging technologies. The scientists’ stated motivation is to apply pressure to governmental leaders by calling on citizens “to express themselves in all the ways available to them.”
Their message would be more potent if they don’t conflate disparate threats. The notion of a single Doomsday Clock that conflates climate change with nuclear war and emerging technologies is convoluted.
The threat of nuclear war is more urgent. The timescales are more amenable to a clock which can be fine-tuned to accommodate specific events: rogue nations conducting nuclear tests; China rattling its sabers; India and Pakistan quarreling over Kashmir; Russia reneging on a deal on the disposal of weapons-grade plutonium; deployment of destabilizing weapons.
Climate change and anthropogenic global warming are a bit fuzzier. A Doomsday clock that purports to measure its trend line cannot be as precise as one that measures the threat of nuclear war. Moreover, the nature of the clock is inherently different: the Nuclear Doomsday clock can go counterclockwise — it has moved backwards with the signing of test ban and nonproliferation treaties, for example.
According to the scientific consensus on the trajectory and causes of global warming, there is no going back; indeed, we may already be at midnight. Even if we stop carbon dioxide emissions now, greenhouse gasses and temperatures will still grow. According to these scientists the arrow of time only moves forward for anthropogenic global warming; all we can do is slow the clock as it ticks inexorably towards a post-apocalyptic dawn.
If the clock measuring the threat of nuclear war can go backwards, but global warming is irreversible, how can they be calibrated simultaneously by the same Doomsday clock?
In 2015, the atomic scientists moved the clock forward two minutes, largely due to climate change: “Unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernizations, and outsized nuclear weapons arsenals pose[s] extraordinary threats….[C]urrent efforts are entirely insufficient to prevent a catastrophic warming of Earth.” This wasn’t done in isolation, but in relation to previous movements that were based upon a nuclear threat that ticks at a different rate. The timescales of the threats are not concomitant and cannot be consistently measured by the hands of the same clock.
Besides the lack of symmetry, the imminence of the threat of nuclear war is measured in minutes. Decisions about DEFCON alerts are time-condensed as humans evaluate whether the sirens are due to a software flaw, space debris, a flock of geese, a gamma ray burst or, god-forbid, incoming ballistic missiles. The time horizon for a corresponding impact caused by climate change may be hours. (cont…)
The Doomsday Clock is a haunting reminder of some of the perils the human race faces, but even symbolic clocks should have consistent continuity.
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It’s actually EIGHT seconds to midnight…if you’re a Warmist Climate Scientist, because your funding is about to be cut off in 5…4…
3…2
Are talking years ..or century’s…or maybe ????
To get the National Agencies in order and appoint some actual scientists will probably take about a year.
Here in Australia the Warmists are shouting from the sidelines having been taken out of the main game…
…..0
What’s left after that is walking zombies of political environmental science.
actually, it is 6 hours past midnight and a new beautiful morning is on the horizon
+1
🙂
Well it might be a clue to just what the BAS is planning for us.
G
To be fair, they do look very serious in the “we are scientists, trust us” mode.
It’s been somewhere just this side of midnight my entire life. How long is a minute in Dooms Clock time? It’s laugh out loud funny how serious those buffoons look with their play-school drawing of a meaningless clock.
It’s like Zeno’s paradox .
According to Zeno, a CO2 photon never reaches Earth’s surface, because no matter how close it gets, there is always an infinity of increments to travel before it arrives.
. . . CO2 Anthropogenic Climate Change debate ended.
I have only one question: Where are the Mickey Mouse hands ?
Cancel the apocalypse, the future is closer…
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/cheap-mass-producing-graphene/
Show me the company that is selling that.
“The patent was issued to the Kansas State University Research Foundation, a nonprofit corporation responsible for managing technology transfer activities at the university”
http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/2017-01/graphenepatent12517.html
As far as graphene investing, I don’t know. BAM bought graphtec international (the company to install the first electric street lights) and all of their patents. The big opportunities will be with the startups in the applications of graphene. The sky’s the limit with a myriad of 3D printed materials with printed graphene circuitry.
That’s amusing — the chances of a nuclear exchange w/Russia are prb’ly the lowest since they had nukes.
Since it is a 12 hour clock, are they sure that it isn’t 2.5 minutes ’till noon? A stopped clock is right twice a day.
I am believing you have hit your head on a nail. There is the truthfulness. It is needing to be 24 hour clock.
A clock that runs backwards is correct four times per day.
G
if it runs backwards at 24 hours/day.
Auto
Clearly the clock fiddlers are Clinton supporters.
Crank it to eleven everyone!!
…never let a crisis go to waste
even if you have to invent the crisis
They’re going to crank it up for all it’s worth….their entire socialist globalization is falling apart
And what of Iran and their new missiles? But when you have a President who thinks that a so called existential threat is the biggest concern, why are we surprised by these guys?
Iranian missiles aren’t about to destroy the planet. It’s hard for me to see why Americans are so obsessed with Iran. Must be the propaganda?
Who would have thought the assassination of an Archduke would lead to the horrors of WW I? Picture Iranian nukes on their way to Tel Aviv…what could possibly go wrong???
Yep, it’s not Iran’s worldwide capability,it’s the fact that if they do something nuclear to Israel there’s gonna be a bunch of Poseidon class type submarine nukes launched at Tehran and who knows who else. And they’ve already said they want to destroy Israel.
The clock is a political symbol. It measures nothing but the politics of its owners. Why should anyone care about that.
+10
+20
+2 1/2 wait wait noooooo
That has always been the case.
They have always measured political tension based on how well the American president did what the Kremlin wanted.
I love the part where we should be worried about the “accuracy” of the measurement of somebody’s move. Maybe they should add 3 decimals to it, to make it look more “accurate”.
I think instead of “midnight” it should say “progs run around in circles screaming because they have all lost their damn minds!”
Although if they use that, they’d have to show that we’d already hit it.
wws
+ lots.
Let us seek seven decimal places.
I remember when I was Chief Officer on a Very Large Crude Carrier.
I was required to report the cargo loaded to three decimal places of a (metric) tonne. To the nearest kilogram. A bag of sugar. The ship was 330 metres long, 55 metres wide and drew about twenty metres of water. To increase depth [Draft] by one centimetre took 160 tonnes. and I was expected to report to the nearest bag of sugar!
Yeah right.
[So far as I know, ‘Yeah right’ is the only Double Positive that actually means a negative. Best understood when spoken. Open to correction.]
I identified at least five sources of error [in short, density; temperature [one reading per three tanks]; volume and distortion of the cargo space] and was confident of my calculation to the nearest thousand tonnes. Hundreds were – probably – close. I think.
Most of ‘climate’ is 8ull5h1t past the decimal point. At best.
Auto, aware of numbers, estimates and wild, arm-waving guesses – which, might you think, applies to the watermelon cult/religion.
Now if the aforementioned arm-waving guesses are the best we have, if they are correctly labelled, let’s go with them – with caution.
The notion that men in white lab coats can calculate the imminence or likelihood of global apocalypse is almost too ludicrous to entertain.
Way back in 1953, citing the first H-bomb tests by the United States and the Soviet Union, the Atomic Scientists said the world was only two minutes to midnight. Today, again, it’s supposedly two minutes to midnight. How can the world be minutes from Armageddon for more than 60 years? It’s been decades since Barry McGuire told us “we’re on the eve of destruction.”
A good case can be made that nuclear weapons have been a stabilizing force, making all-out wars of aggression unacceptably costly to the Soviet Union and Mao’s China–regimes imbued with vast imperial ambition and commanding massive invasion forces.
And if global warming is a reason to move minute hand forward, shouldn’t the improving state of the world, abundantly documented by Indur Goklany (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/06/have-fossil-fuels-diminished-the-worlds-sustainability-and-resilience/), turn the clock back?
Marlo,
Absolutely correct.
To be realistic you should include the USA in your list of regimes.
It has waged war on more countries than the others and currently has about 900 military bases around the world.
It has wisely refrained from attacking its competitors because of the cost.
So if nuclear power can even restrain the world’s only super-power, as well as the others, let’s have more of it!
Uh….waged wars….tell me: how many wars has US initiated? That is, absent interventionist Russia, or China, or Germany, and absent humanitarian pleas from a tyrant’s victims? We’re either damned as isolationists when we allow other countries to destroy civilization or we’re “war wagers” when we do intervene….
I guess you can always find good reasons for war, but native americans, viets, Mexico, Colombia and Spain (when USA raped Texas to California, Panama, Florida and Cuba from them ), Russia (because of Alaska), Japan (because of Perry expedition), Irak (lies about weapons of mass destruction), etc. may beg to differ.
Vietnam was started as a civil war the French jumped into, then passed off to us. Texas was not gotten from Spain, but seceded from Mexico and the US had nothing to do with that (it became part of the US 9 years after the fact). Japan was never about Perry, but about Japanese imperialism. They started it in 31, and only got us involved 10 years later. We have never been at war with Columbia, so you need to get your facts together. Nor have we ever been at war with Russia, so that is just another mistake on your part.
But then based upon the totality of your comment, it does not seem you deal with facts, just ignorance.
Not too hot on that history thingy are you paqyfelyc? Russia sold Alaska to the US, which was actually rather unwilling to buy, but finally did close the deal so as not sour relations with Russia which were very good at that time. And Texas was an independent country when it joined the US.
Only clock in the world that isn’t right even once a day.
..and can accurately predict the future…………..NOT
What I find most alarming (pun) is that young people today can’t even read an analog clock. I have nieces who can’t tell the time unless they look at the digital read out on their cell phones! Now THAT’S a crisis!
I agree warlolesdjr that the whole nuclear war clock notion is pure booshwah. It’s pure political theater. There is no objective way to measure the threat in a numeric way. It bears so much resemblance to the climate doomsayers who keep moving the goal posts of when we are past the fictitious “tipping point”.
Since 1953?
The clock is not broken, it is useless. You could argue it is closer to midnight than at any time since the Missile crises. But that would be a stretch.
It is now safer than it has been in 8 years. It may not stay that way, but it is clear that Russia (and Putin) has more respect for Trump than for either Hillary or Obama. And their scaremongering made us less safe because eventually they would have ratcheted it up until we were again sitting on the button.
So another icon of the cold war becomes a dishonest political tool.
My only disagreement is that the doomsday clock was always a dishonest political tool.
The day of doom is in God the Father’s domain. Only the Father knows the day; not even Jesus, the Son of the Father, knows the day. But, heh, Doomsday is a good tool originally invented to scare people about nuclear proliferation. Of course other than to scare people, it has no viable purpose.
PHD level virtue signaling … all virtue signaling should be ignored 🙂
The Doomsday Clock is a good object-lesson example of scientists’ seeking, and society conferring, scientific prestige upon something innately unscientific. Perhaps uncritical acceptance of the “scientists say” associated with the Doomsday Clock softened us up to accept the “scientists say” of AGW.
The clock seems to exist in Einstein’s relativity universe. I find this frustrating. If I could sync my smart phone with the dooms day clock at least I could make some rational, self serving financial decisions, but no, the clock runs at its own undiscoverable pace. Do I run up debt or pay off the mortgage? Is it time to buy that sports car? Am I throwing money away on my kids university fees? This clock is of no practical use in my world.
I worked in the ‘Far East’ (from the UK).
This is clearly Indonesian Rubber Time.
Auto
After midnight, a new day begins.
What powers or drives this magical clock?
If it is wind or solar powered, we have nothing to fear.
The Doomsday Clock measures absolutely nothing. There has been no measurement…there is no measurement, there will be no measurement. They entire construct is the combined opinions of a rather particular (and peculiar) set of men [and women?] about something that has no quantifiable reality, certainly not one measured in days, hours and minutes.
It is a self-admitted scare tactic in a propaganda war intended to frighten citizens into taking action [what, no one every says…] on the issues that concern that very small set of peculiar persons who somehow have ended up as the board of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists “.
So, exactly like climate models, but the clock is way cheaper.
It is pasteboard, I believe. Fairly inexpensive compared to super-computers. The clock is very energy efficient as well….requires no energy when the hand is not being moved.
Kip
Noted and agreed.
Almost a perfect clock, it seems.
Pity it is – it seems – ideologically driven.
Auto
Need that fear to herd your useful idiots in the right direction.
Clearly and logically the whole thing is downright silly and completely meaningless. THE “clock” obviously doesn’t run and I’m not talking about the stupid ¼ of a clock they use in their dog and pony show. If NASA announced later today that there is a mile-wide meteor headed straight toward earth and impact will be in 3 days, would these self-aggrandizing “scientists” update their presentation – to 4 micro-seconds before midnight? And what is bad or magical about midnight? Like “climate” it’s a mythical conjecture and fixation of the collective human mind. For that matter, so is time itself…. But in relation to existence, either individually or collectively, we are always but a micro-second away from the end. So why bother? Live life to its fullest! These people are nothing more than a downer and bump in the road in the quest for happiness. Best ignored…
I think the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists ought to outsource their doomsday calculation to the Rapture Index.” It’s just as scientific as their method, is much more thorough, and tracks many more threats of the ineffable variety; the sort of threat to which CO2 emissions belongs by all evidence.
False Christs/CO2 emissions/Tribulation Temples — ineffable dooms no matter where you look. 🙂
Worryingly, that index currently stands at “> 160: Fasten your seat belts”
The end is nigh. Repent, ye sinners.
“Breaking: Union of Concerned Plumbers sets Doomsday Toilet 1 minute closer to flush.” – David Burge
International Association of Birefringent Optometrists, also, tightened the focus to six hecto-seconds from midday.
Auto
No /Sarc about this: – I made the IABO name up myself.
I know where it lives, and where the officers live.
[No reflection on how Russia won the World Cup 2018. Of course]
Cancel that last comment. I don’t want to drink polonium tea.
President Putin is a reasonable man.
Mods – please add a /Sarc to the previous line, if appropriate.
“Breaking: Union of Concerned Plumbers sets Doomsday Toilet 1 minute closer to flush.” – David Burge
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