Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Professor Joseph A. Palermo, writing for the Huffington Post, thinks anyone who doesn’t agree with climate alarmism shouldn’t be allowed to use any of the products of science.
Republicans, Climate Change, And The New Reality
Joseph A. Palermo
Professor, historian, author
First off, let me be clear: The Republican Party bears responsibility for Donald Trump becoming the 45th President of the United States. The Republican Party nominated him. The party leaders enabled him. There were many complex social, political, and economic forces that produced the Trump catastrophe, but no amount of disassembling and deflecting will change the fact that the Republican Party made this happen.
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Through his public statements and personnel choices Trump has made it clear that he rejects the science of climate change. I’ve always believed that people who dismiss science in one area shouldn’t be able to benefit from science in others. If Trump and his cohort believe the science of global warming is bogus then they shouldn’t be allowed to use the science of the Internet for their Twitter accounts, the science of global positioning for their drones, or the science of nuclear power for their weaponry.
The oil, coal, and gas companies use the same scientific methodology to extract resources that climate scientists use to confirm the planetary disaster that awaits us. It’s pretty crazy to see the U.S. government abandon science when it conflicts with corporate profits, while Trump’s donors from Big Ag, Big Banks, and Big Pharma deploy science to patent new life forms, engage in “high frequency” trading, and invent new drugs.
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Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/republicans-climate-chang_b_13866868.html
The history of science is riddled with episodes of error, mass delusion and group think.
We don’t reject Sir Isaac Newton because he believed in Alchemy, we recognize the great man made a few mistakes, and accept the enormous contribution Newton made to mathematics and physics.
We don’t reject the work of Einstein because he was wrong about the nature of Quantum randomness. We accept that scientists can be wrong.
We don’t reject the entire field of medicine because for many decades, the medical community wrongly rejected the theory that many stomach ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection.
And we don’t reject free speech, because some people say things with which we disagree.
Palermo blames the GOP for the fact that the next POTUS will be Donald Trump (whom Palermo despises), but that’s not entirely accurate.
Part of the blame also goes to the Democrats, who nominated what was probably the weakest ticket since McGovern/Eagleton. Against anyone except Trump, Clinton/Kaine would have had very little chance.
Part of the blame also goes to one or more particular, anonymous, Machiavellian Democrats at NBC, who tried to swing the election to Hillary, and ending up swinging it to Trump, instead.
It was a very dirty trick, and it almost worked. If NBC had leaked the Billy Bush tape before Trump clinched the nomination, we’d probably have had a different Republican nominee, who would have much more easily defeated Hillary. But, of course, that’s not what the NBC leakers wanted. So they waited, and sprang it as an October Surprise, to help Hillary.
But the scheme backfired. Withholding the story through the primaries helped Trump win the GOP nomination, as intended, but releasing it before the general election didn’t do quite enough damage to keep Trump from defeating Hillary.
I hope those weaselly schemers at NBC are miserable with guilt.
Anyhow, perhaps Trump will be okay. I was wrong about who would win the GOP nomination, and about who would win the general election. I pray that I will also prove to have been wrong about the quality of Mr. Trump’s leadership. The fact that Palermo also expects Trump to be a lousy President is encouraging to me, because Palermo is wrong about pretty much everything.
It won’t take too much to please me, because I have low expectations. I’m not hoping for Trump to be a great leader. In general, I don’t ever hope for politicians to be great. When it comes to politicians, I’ve adopted the physicians’ motto: “First, do no harm.”
If a politician surprises me and actually does some good, that’s an unexpected bonus. I’ll be more than satisfied if Trump just does no harm. E.g., I really hope he doesn’t start a trade war.
“I really hope he doesn’t start a trade war.”
The U.S. is already in a trade war with a number of nations. They are kicking our butts and taking our money and jobs, and our current leadership acts like it is not even happening.
I want Trump to change this and renegotiate these international deals so they at least favor the U.S. as much as the other nation. What’s fair about China getting a $400 billion advantage over the U.S. in trade every year?
To be fair, the U.S. should be selling as many goods to China as China is selling to the U.S.
Btw, China needs the U.S. market a whole lot more than the U.S. needs the Chinese market. Seventy-five percent of U.S. GDP is generated within the U.S., no outside entity required. Not so with China.
China will lose any actual trade war that begins. I doubt one will, unless China and others absolutely refuse to renegotiate, and then what other choice do we have but to force the issue?
I think other nations, especially China, will make a lot of noise, and then will make a deal. They have no choice in the end. And now they are dealing with Trump who has already shown that it is not going to be business as usual, and if the other nations believe he is serious, then they will make deals. I don’t see how they can’t take him seriously. They better.
TA wrote, “China will lose any actual trade war…”
You’re right, they will. And so will we. And so will the entire world.
I don’t think that you appreciate the extent to which the world’s economies are now interconnected and dependent upon one another. Virtually everything we produce, everything we consume, everything we eat, everything we use, is dependent upon international trade. And by “we” I mean almost all of the human race.
This is new. In all of human history, it has never happened before. Not even close.
If something were to stop those giant container ships from plying the oceans, the resulting collapse would make the Great Depression look like a garden party.
“I don’t think that you appreciate the extent to which the world’s economies are now interconnected and dependent upon one another. Virtually everything we produce, everything we consume, everything we eat, everything we use, is dependent upon international trade.”
Well, as I said, the U.S. generates most of its GDP internally, and the two biggest trading partners of the U.S. are Canada and Mexico, so the U.S. is in a lot better position than just about any other nation when it comes to traden or trade wars.
I think you should expect some tough talk from Trump on trade. He’s not going to settle for the current status quo, and he should not. The current status quo is unfair to the U.S. and that needs to change whatever it takes. Some people are naturally not going to like giving up their advantages. That’s too bad. We don’t like being taken advantage of.
Almost all the GDP we generate internally is dependent upon something from overseas. Look around you: what do you see that has no essential components from overseas?
Are you thinking, “that sack of potatoes?” Well, how did it get to you? How did those potatoes get harvested and washed? What equipment was used, that you think could run without components from overseas? Which trucks and trains and traffic lights and tractors and refineries and computers and power plants do you think could run without components from overseas?
Nobody in the world is in a good position to engage in trade wars. Not anymore.
“I hope those weaselly schemers at NBC are miserable with guilt.”
Guilt is not in the vocabulary of the truly evil. No, they’ve retreated into their bubble, circled the wagons, and are now enjoying each other’s company.
With apologies for any repetition:
For the record, Wikipedia says:
“Dr Joseph A. Palermo (born 1959) is an Associate Professor of History at Sacramento State University, an author and a commentator.
He received his undergraduate degree in Sociology and Anthropology from UC Santa Cruz, a Master’s degree in History from San Jose State University and a Master’s and Doctorate in American History from Cornell University.[citation needed] For four years after receiving his doctorate he taught at both Cornell and Colgate University.[citation needed] Since 2002 he has been teaching classes on the 1960s, the Vietnam War, foreign relations, historiography, and the history and politics of the 20th century at Sacramento State University in Sacramento, California.[citation needed]
Palermo makes frequent contributions to the Huffington Post and the LA Progressive, an online social justice magazine. His articles have been primarily liberal in outlook ………”
What does *he* know about Climate Science??????????????
Palmero is a self-identified SJW, social Justice Warrior…or as normal people call it, he is a pathetic wack job.
Absolutely nothing. He’s a self appointed expert on Climate science…as are most of the CAGW cult of malcontents.
Gosh. A progressive going control-freak. Who would have believed it? You’d think that was their primary character trait.
Progressives are communists without guns. Give them guns (or the ability to force people to do things only guns would allow) and they’re full-fledged communists.
As yet, unless the professor has crystal balls, it’s not a catastrophe. As for the ‘forces’ that produced Trump, they were what we lower forms of life call democracy. Oh, and the fact that HRC was deplorably criminal in her dealings helped to ensure that democracy worked. The rest we should leave to history, professor hypocrite.
Professor Palermo is a GMO conspiracy theorist:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/frankenfish-wins-fda-appr_b_8911892.html
You could have put money on it.
But the science Palermo says created Twitter was REAL science (plus technology, not to forget). Climate “science” on the other hand is really only theories – or am I mistaken?
Best not to lump these in with real theories, like gravity, relativity etc. Hypotheses at best. More like conjectures, really, or even wishes.
“the Trump catastrophe” ?? He’s not even “in” yet!
Is this a bit like the CAGW catastrophe … which is yet to happen, if ever?
He shows his true colours too early.
Dear Prof. Palermo,
You are wrong about the Republican party being responsible for electing Pres. Elect Trump. They fought him every step of the way until it became clear that he would be the nominee.
You are also wrong in accusing Trump of being a science denier. Your education has clearly left out a course on crital thinking. But relying on doctored data to support your views on climate issues shows a level of intellectual laziness unbecoming of a.professor. do some homework. You will find that.the deniers.object to phony science.
but you want to deny his free speech by denting him technology?
Professor Palermo, what a pathetic proposition. What history do you teach? It was not the Republicans who elected Trump, it was 60 million + Americans who have had enough of the laughable leftists like you. Perhaps you need to go back to your books and study some more history.
History of the imagined future…
No, we don’t do these things.
But Palmero and his like-minded would like to, but for that pesky thing here in the US called the Bill of Rights.
Science has little if anything to do with the politics of global warming. Palmero is yet another example of how educated people can be really, really stupid.
Or really ignorant and not know it.
America, this idiot is a PROFESSOR? What on earth is happening to your great country? He really is a college professor? Unbelievable stuff- I know 12-year-olds who could explain him to the trapdoor in his ‘logic ‘. His comments are a humiliation for him and his university.
But lets be honest here… Trump knows nothing of the science of climate change. I mean nothing that the average man in the street wouldn’t know. He really has said very little on the subject except a couple of dumb arse things (invented by the Chinese etc), so it is going to be very interesting to see if he does listen to the people in the science community who advise him. Or maybe he will take the advice of the newcomers to his team who see the dollar as the all important driver of decisions.
Re Simon:
” Trump knows nothing of the science of climate change”
Agreed. Hopefully he will look into it with the right people – and not get gored.
Remember Obama knows even less. The we have Trudeau who with his lawyer Minister of Environment became experts in one month taking double the number of party goers to Paris as did the USA. Then they have the gall to make a motion to lower the critical number from 2 deg to 1.5 deg when they did not check that the 2 deg was pulled out of thin air.
“Remember Obama knows even less”
I doubt that is true, in fact I am sure it is not, but even if it was, at least Obama listens and takes advice from people who do know what they are talking about.
Re Simon:
“Remember Obama knows even less”
**I doubt that is true, in fact I am sure it is not, but even if it was, at least Obama listens and takes advice from people who do know what they are talking about.**
Really? Where did you get that from?
Is that why he repeats the 97% fiction line?
Who advised Obama to sign the fictitious agreement with China that does not require China to do anything until 2030 while adding coal fired power plant every two weeks?
Dr Spencer presented to the Senate, but not at Obama’s invitation.
Why is Obama set on shutting down coal plants in the USA which are now cleaner?
Gerald
“Who advised Obama to sign the fictitious agreement with China that does not require China to do anything until 2030 while adding coal fired power plant every two weeks?”
I’d say probably the very qualified people who wrote this….
http://climate.nasa.gov/
“Why is Obama set on shutting down coal plants in the USA which are now cleaner?”
There is no such thing as clean coal. Like saying soft bricks.
Which raises thje Interesting Point as to how best the Skeptic Community shd advance their cause?
What, fellow readers, wd be *your* Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump (starting with Anthony, of course!!)
To get the ball rolling, I’d nominate:
2. Nigel Lawson (Lord Blaby) and his select team of Global Warming Policy Fdn experts.
3. All the Climate Scientists who have been vilified, marginalized and impoverished due to the strong-arm tactics of the Alarmist Mafiosi (as witnessed in the ClimateGate emails, for example).
4. Star B_S Busters such as M&M and their equivalents in the Statistical demolition of the Mannipulated proposition (Prof. W[????] Pls stand fwd., Sir!)
5. Over to you experts in the field … let’s hear it for the Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump.
Here is a letter to the editor in the Winnipeg Free Press in September, 2016. Same mentality as the professor:
***It is always disappointing to come across an article written by Tom Harris, the climate change denier who makes a living (and a good one at that) presenting false climate science on the oil industry’s dime.
I think it is deeply irresponsible for the Winnipeg Free Press to publish Harris’s work, adding confusion and misinformation to a global problem that desperately needs resolving. Would the Free Press publish an opinion piece from someone claiming the moon is made of cheese or atoms are figments of our imaginations?
The Free Press should be engaging communities and telling the ongoing stories of climate change and how it is already affecting people across Canada and the rest of the world. Be part of the solution or move out of the way.
Ryan Smith
Climate change researcher,
Prairie Climate Centre, University of Winnipeg***
He’s an historian, what do you expect?
I would expect him to know about previous warm periods. Periods when civilization flourished.
I am old enough to remember the days when it was accepted as given that a “professor” had an IQ bigger than his shoe size, and anything he said was worth, at least, listening to.
Now?
As soon as someone is identified as a “professor” or faculty member of one of our institutes of indoctrination, I know it is time to go make another coffee; or re-arrange the fridge magnets. Or anything else.
Saves a lot of time.
A lot of thoughtful people that I know, and myself as well, did not think a whole lot about Trump, but we felt that he had to be better than the horrible status quo candidate, Hillary. We were all very wary immediately after the election, waiting for him to prove himself.
But this constant liberal freak-out, this completely deranged non-stop frothing at the mouth, is driving all of us who weren’t sure at first more strongly into Donald Trump’s camp than we ever thought we could be.
The Donald Thanks You, Professor Palermo!!!
Palermo is a history professor. How credible is he on climate change?
John Francis
About as good as psychologist Lewandowski’s.
Which is to say meaningless to skeptics and holy grail to warmists.
Which raises thje Interesting Point as to how best the Skeptic Community shd advance their cause?
What, fellow readers, wd be *your* Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump (starting with Anthony, of course!!)
To get the ball rolling, I’d nominate:
2. Nigel Lawson (Lord Blaby) and his select team of Global Warming Policy Fdn experts.
3. All the Climate Scientists who have been vilified, marginalized and impoverished due to the strong-arm tactics of the Alarmist Mafiosi (as witnessed in the ClimateGate emails, for example).
4. Star B_S Busters such as M&M and their equivalents in the Statistical demolition of the Mannipulated proposition (Prof. W[????] Pls stand fwd., Sir!)
5. Over to you experts in the field … let’s hear it for the Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump.
Now that Twitter has at least two direct competitors that don’t filter content (gab.ai and sealion.club), I’d like to see everyone except the snowflakes of the left abandon Twitter and migrate to those. Certainly anyone who is conservative or libertarian will be helping his cause by doing so.
‘The oil, coal, and gas companies use the same scientific methodology to extract resources that climate scientists use to confirm the planetary disaster that awaits us.’
Any idea how many dry holes are drilled using that same scientific methodology? I wouldn’t use that comparison if I were trying to convince someone my science was accurate.
” while Trump’s donors from Big Ag, Big Banks, and Big …..” Sorry Palermo, you mistake Trump for Hillary.
Why are all these kinda guys old, bald, probably single, vindictive, and cranky?
Maybe they should all be in an educational video? Oh wait…..
I dunno…we might be missing something in Prof Palermo’s approach – it just needs to be fleshed out a little more.
1) we ban free speech on Twitter for skeptics (aka: deprive them of science)
IF AND ONLY IF
2) we ban warmists from eating food (aka: the benefits of CO2)