Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Breitbart; California has committed to moving forward with its job destroying climate policies, regardless of vocal complaints from business leaders.
California, at Forefront of Climate Fight, Won’t Back Down to Trump
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“California can make a significant contribution to advancing the cause of dealing with climate change, irrespective of what goes on in Washington,” Mr. Brown said in an interview. “I wouldn’t underestimate California’s resolve if everything moves in this extreme climate denial direction. Yes, we will take action.”
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When California enacted its climate reduction standards last year, it drew fierce criticism from state business leaders.
The bills “impose very severe caps on the emission of greenhouse gases in California, without requiring the regulatory agencies to give any consideration to the impacts on our economy, disruptions in everyone’s daily lives or the fact that California’s population will grow almost 50 percent between 1990 and 2030,” the California Chamber of Commerce said.
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“California more than ever is strongly committed to moving forward on our climate leadership,” said Kevin de Leon, the leader of the State Senate. “We will not deviate from our leadership because of one election.”
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“If the president-elect and his administration work to undermine our climate leadership, they will hurt our economy, “ Mr. de Leon said. “They will kill jobs. And ultimately, they will hurt the economy of the United States. We are 13 percent of the overall G.D.P.”
Still, California officials and environmentalists said climate measures in place here will undoubtedly be undercut if the Trump administration rolls back environmental policies put in place by President Obama.
“Our system works better — our cap-and-trade system and other ways of addressing climate change — if we have more company,” said Anthony Rendon, the speaker of the Assembly. “The more company we have, the better.”
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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/26/us/california-climate-change-jerry-brown-donald-trump.html
Who do you think knows more about running a business and creating jobs, politicians or business leaders? Business leaders are sometimes happy to indulge in populist green washing, but Californian political plans go far beyond a little window dressing.
The desire for “more company” to join California’s job destroying climate plan is telling – if Californian political leaders really thought their plan made economic sense, they wouldn’t have to beg for company, other people would flock to join their climate crusade – probably all riding their eco-friendly flying pigs.
Update (EW): Fixed the link to the New York Times article
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We should expel California from the United States, and then declare war on it.
And after we win the war we should sell it to China. If we were to declare California to be a manufactured good, and let China pay on the installment plan this would eliminate the trade deficit for the foreseeable future.
Lets stop kidding ourselves. Each faction, Greens, business, public is in this for themselves. Each will happily destroy the others to obtain a victory. I say a pox on all your houses. There is plenty of money to fund Green politicians so they can act without concern from business or the public in general. Business can cares less about jobs if it can turn a profit with less labor. The public needs money and it is politically correct to put the demand in the form of jobs. Whether jobs are necessary is of no importance.
All of these parties will put the knife into one another as circumstances dictate in the struggle to achieve their ambitions. “The public be damned!” is an old adage attributed to William Henry Vanderbilt. He is reputed to have said, “What does the public care for the railroads except to get as much out of them for as small a consideration as possible”.
Fair enough, but what about “What does business care for the politicians except to get as much out of them for as small a consideration as possible?” or “What do the politicians care for the public except to get as much out of them for as small a consideration as possible?” and so on.
California politicians will run the public into the ground in the struggle for Green money and the public will go gladly chasing moonbeams. The system has nothing to do with democracy.
California government plays bluff-and-see. The bluff an absurd regulation, then see if anyone complies. If no one does, the law is withdrawn. Battery car mandate anyone? That came and die waiting for a breakthrough in battery technology which has not come along for 120 years. Now, they can decide if they want to get rid of all state beef and dairy and import it all as methane reduction in cows is not possible.
Methane reduction from manure is very practical and is the low hanging fruit for making a better dairy communities smell better.
Of course rather than provide business friendly incentives to help taxpaying farmers, ‘progressives’ will regulate diaries to other states.
The California “brand” is faltering. Like many who cannot think beyond their one and only success, they keep returning to the same theme expecting a renewed interest. The United States of America has just moved beyond the California mystique and they aren’t buying it any more. The current retiring generation was the one that believed in California but unfortunately changed it’s politics. Many moved there, and many were successful, others stepped into a rat race but they couldn’t see an end for them, so they left or want to leave. It was exciting, but now that they know they can’t keep it up, they want out. Those who can are either heading to the north of the state with retirement money, or heading to Idaho, Texas, Colorado and Utah. Jerry is a retread but he has managed to hold air. California is out of ideas politically. The only thing that keeps it going is the critical mass achieved in the key industries over the growth years, and those who are in them will persevere only to enrich others more than themselves. As those cores of energy get sapped by foreign competition, dwindling brain power, or business friendly neighbors, they will decline. I like California and made a living there for many years, but the excitement, the beauty, and the energy does not work for people who cannot buy a house when making good money, are afraid of their children attending the schools so, if they can, they pay for private, or having to pay top dollar for every frigging thing there is. It gets old. And the taxes, fees, surcharges, and levies of all kinds; when will they learn? Everything is mortgaged. As an example of how mistakes are made and the results of spendthrift governments, there will be much to account for in future generations. I wonder who will ultimately be holding the collateral and what will it be worth?
the excitement, the beauty, and the energy does not work for people who cannot buy a house when making good money
Describes my son’s situation perfectly.
I just did another drive East-bound on “The 10” (that’s Interstate-10 to most people) from Arizona to Texas to go see/visit family. It was like passing a steady parade of UHauls and Ryders headed east, usually pulling a car trailer with the car with Cal plates.
Get out while you can.
What’s [B]rown, and rings?
Dunnnggggg
Though I heard it via Monty Python as: “What’s brown and sounds like a bell”
Here, these two articles will give everyone a whiff of how things are going.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/02/survey-says-34-percent-of-bay-area-residents-are-ready-to-leave.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/27/san-francisco-grapples-with-growing-crime-blight-after-years-liberal-policies.html
Leftists are about to get their heads handed to them.
CAGW has already surpassed the criteria necessary for hypothetical disconfirmation, and within 5~7 years, it’ll be laughed at (CAGW global warming projections vs. reality will be off by over 3+ standard deviations for 25 years).
When taxpayers realize the extent of the corruption and propaganda that was used by the Left to keep this hoa-x going, a great number of “progressives” will realize just how destructive Leftist ideology and policies are and will desire less government control, power, spending, and scope.
I hope in the short-term, Leftist will continue to flog the CAGW horse even harder, and implement all these crazy and destructive CAGW policies, because it’ll just make the blowback against the Left that much more severe when this CAGW hoa-x collapses.
I have a suggestion for President elect Trump – let’s do some nuke testing along the San Andres fault, ya know just to get the tiny dicktator of the DPK & whatever happens, just happens. Nevada could use some ocean front property.
Well, I screwed that up & don’t know how to edit it. what I meant was ‘just to get the dicktator of the DPRK’s attention’ – sorry ’bout that. But yeah, lets just let CA fall into the ocean – hopefully after all the sane escape first.
California imports one third of its already unreliable and expensive electricity supply from adjoining states— and rising:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2016/04/03/californias-growing-imported-electricity-problem/2/#663e0d2e2fbe
cut the links. Like victoria, aussie. When that went down Sth Aus went all Nth Korea. Mind you, those other states must be doing well on the sales
Anthony, why are you still living in California? Progressive are going to tax you to death.
My thoughts exactly. Anthony, get out while you still can…and your property hopefully still has some value.
They say in Real Estate that there are three important things. Location, Location, and Location.
California has climate and ocean front property. It is maybe the best place in the US to live. I didn’t say work. I said live.
Just how much of their tax base is centered around very, very, rich people who live there, but derive their income from out of state sources?
I think the real hit that California policy will take will come when the climate cycle comes around, and we enter a cooling stage that is impossible to ignore.
Interestingly, if some of the posters here are right, that cooling is going to happen in the next eight years, or during a Trump presidency. I am expecting to see a huge number of blogs and posts in the coming years ‘denying’ the cooling, and claiming that it is merely President Trump’s lackeys juggling the numbers.
California’s position on CO2 and the climate change will keep the climate blogs thriving, otherwise they might slowly fade into a tranquil tedium.
Substitute “climate madness” every time “climate leadership” appears and it will be a much more accurate article.
green polices lead to de industrialisation so the people move to Texas so CO2 emissions fall.
Isn’t that the point?
“Isn’t that the point?”
only if you think that site specific emissions are important while overall emissions are meaningless.
The real point is that, by 2030, Texas will have the electoral and political power that California has today, by virtue of the population shifts.
And actually, since the incoming Sec of State and Sec of Energy are Texans, the state is already doing pretty well in that regard.
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Astronomer Vera Rubin who found that galaxies don’t rotate the way it was predicted, implying that some other force it at work, died on Sunday at age of 88.
Yes Jerry Brown is in bde with Kathryne Wynne of Ontario. The derve each other but we don’t.
Someone one said “it’s the job of Democrats to break things and it’s the job of Republicans to not fix them”. This cozy relationship maintained the status quo which is what both parties ultimately prefered. That is not what we have now. Ol’ Moonbeam still hasn’t adjusted to the current situation.
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.” – ILN, 4/19/24
That’s be GK Chesterton.
He also wrote:
“Progress is a comparative of which we have not settled the superlative.” – Chapter 2, Heretics, 1905
Early last century and it still holds true…amazing.
Yes. This is why conservatives are busy burning down Conservatism. The Conservatives just want to conserve whatever Progressives were pushing for twenty years ago.
I predict that businesses will move out of California to areas where they can actually make a profit. Of course the big stores will survive – Walmart, et al., that is. Workers will move out of state and commute, daily to their jobs in CA but they will pay residence taxation, elsewhere. Loss of money for the city coffers. Look what happened to Detroit for evidence of this particular phenomenon. The American economy is like the horse in animal farm – always undervalued, and worked until it could not work anymore. That is because the trough feeders think that some animals are more equal than others, IMO. Where would these elitist find the funds to finance their utopias without the lowly workers at the bottom, dilligently working themselves into early graves, IMO.
Oh, an article from the New York Times, the #1 site for garbage news and statism (communist) propaganda.
When the government raises the cost for businesses, the businesses have to raise prices on their services and products to stay in business. We consumers pay 100% of the bill the businesses have to pay. Now that is OK if the business has no competition and they are the only game in town. But if that business has competition across state lines and people can buy their products from the local businesses competitor in Texas, they will go out of business.
When it comes to a company making products in California. Why would they stay. Why would the pay a 35% tax rate, high electric cost, a carbon tax and $15-$20 wages when they can go across the border and only pay 22% tax, lower electric cost and only around $3 per hour wage?
Let’s call this the repeat of history of what the British were doing in the 1760’s to the 13 colonies. Britten was purposely placing extreme tax burden the colonies to purposely subjugate them to being nothing more than tax slaves to Britten.
Obviously the democrat supporting frogs in the pot above the fire don’t understand what’s going on. The people throwing the logs on the fire don’t teach American history any more.
And they are talking about secession?
Don’t make me laugh.
Without US taxpayers money CA will be a 3rd world country filled with unemployable illegal aliens.
Think about this brief list made possible by the US taxpayers / federal government which CA will not get and the tens of thousands of CA people who will lose their jobs (= tax revenues):
aerospace contracts, defense contracts, fed gov, software contracts, fed gov airplane orders, bases, ports, money for illegal aliens costs, money for the ‘global warming’ fraud, monies for universities, ‘affirmative action monies, section 8 housing money, monies for highways, monies for ‘mass transportation’, monies to fight crime, monies from the EPA for streams & lakes, monies from the Nat. Park Service, monies for healthcare, monies for freeloading welfare recipients, and all this is just the tip of the iceberg
Not to mention the counties in CA which will not want to be part of the laughable ‘Peoples Republic of California’.
And imagine a California army, hilarious.
CA wouldn’t last a week without other peoples money.
By coincidence, I had a conversation last night with a lady who emigrated from CA. She was exceedingly happy to be here and told me several anecdotes about life in CA. One runs into ex- Californians frequently these days and they all have similar stories and all of their stories revolve around opportunities here that were either nonexistent, or severely hampered in CA.
It’s not the climate in California that worries me.
It’s the half-mad\ slobbering with power select band of politicians who’s aim is to insert their brand of cracker-jack science by strong-arming the business community and the public in general.
Brown is just another politician suffering from megalomania.
What do the barking mad Greenies do when their backs are to the wall? Why, they just double and triple down on the madness. Because doing the same thing only more of it, over and over always produces different results.
Think of the upside, though, we’ll have an example of socialist collapse right here in the USA. Won’t have to go abroad to show it doesn’t work.
Pacific Gas & Electric CEO Anthony Early, who is a former chairman of the Edison Electric Institute, has said that PG&E is already halfway there with replacing Diablo Canyon’s output with electricity from renewable energy sources.
Early has said also that he sees no problem with California reaching 50% renewable generation by 2030. Further, he believes that it might even be possible to reach 70% renewable generation in that state, and to do it without backup from nuclear power.
A majority of Californians now believe that the renewables can handle the better part of the job and that placing greater reliance on wind and solar backed by grid-scale energy storage will actually reduce their electric bills.
Speaking as someone who thinks it is impossible to move towards a low-carbon energy future without a strong commitment to nuclear power, I say that no one should stand in the way of the Californians as they do their best to reach 50% renewables by 2030.
If a serious experiment pushing aggressive adoption of the renewables is to be done successfully, some large group of people living in some large region of the United States needs to step up to the challenge and become the pathfinders for figuring out if a renewable energy future either is, or is not, achievable.
If the Californians want the job, and if they are confident they can get it done, then give them the assignment and see what actually happens in their state over the next fifteen to twenty years.
Good scheme, but what if they start using federal money?
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Rogerthesurf, if the US Congress wants to subsidize wind and solar, that’s an environmental variable in the economic landscape of energy production the Californians would certainly be taking account of in deciding how to manage their grand experiment in renewable energy.
If the Californians decide they can’t move forward without federal tax breaks for wind and solar, and without other kinds of federal incentives, then of course the grand experiment has failed pretty much right out of the starting gate.
That’s not to say that California itself, with its considerable economic resources and its strong political support for the renewables, couldn’t or wouldn’t enact its own economic incentives for the adoption of wind and solar technology.
This is by far the better way of doing it, because if the grand experiment is eventually successful, it’s the Californians themselves who will benefit most from having taken the risk of pushing hard for a renewable energy future.
BB. “manage their grand experiment in renewable energy.”
Who said this is an experiment?. This is a political scheme in which a failure would be expensive politically.
In my opinion, should federal funds become available, it is difficult to see how any politician could turn such a source down. That the scheme appears to be successful thats all the politicians would require.
BB, I assume you do not live in California. You have always struck me as a sensible type, so why would you?
If your state is shutting down nuke plants, then your state government is not serious about reducing CO2.
The only leadership California is providing is in setting unrealistic goals.
As long not one cent comes from the rest if U S All!
Retired Kit P: “If your state is shutting down nuke plants, then your state government is not serious about reducing CO2. The only leadership California is providing is in setting unrealistic goals.”
The Californians may be setting unrealistic goals for themselves, but it’s their choice to decide whether or not to keep nuclear power in their energy mix.
A majority of Californians don’t want nuclear generation facilities sited inside their state borders, and the state’s politicians are setting energy policy in alignment with majority public opinion.
As advocates of nuclear power, we can cry a river about where California is going, but it won’t make the slightest bit of difference to what happens there.
It’s understandable not wanting nuke plants any where near an earthquake zones and that may be why people don’t want them in California. Nuke plants are good but lets keep them in desolate stable places.