From E&E Legal:
“We are delighted with President-elect Trump’s selection of Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt to head the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Mr. Pruitt has led the charge in recent years to confront head on the enormous federal regulatory overreach proposed by the EPA as epitomized by the Clean Power Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule. As a litigator, he also understands how environmental fringe groups like the Sierra Club and the NRDC – who are bankrolled by renewable energy tycoons like Tom Steyer and George Soros – use the state and federal court systems to essentially create new laws through such schemes as ‘sue & settle.’
It is also reassuring that President-Elect Trump has chosen someone from the state ranks, particularly a state so important to energy production, since it’s the states and their citizens who are suffering the most by this Administration’s out-of-control EPA.
We encourage Mr. Pruitt to gear up for battle since draining the EPA swamp will be met with the utmost resistance from an entrenched and well-funded green industrial complex. Finally, we strongly encourage him to add a deputy administrator to his team who has significant EPA experience, who shares the President’s vision, and can protect that vision from a hostile agency staff.”
Craig Richardson
E&E Legal President
UPDATE: as I was writing this, I got this press release:
CLCV Statement on Pruitt’s Nomination for EPA Administrator
Oakland, CA – In response to news reports that Trump will nominate Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt as EPA Administrator, California League of Conservation Voters CEO Sarah Rose issued the following statement:
“The naming of a climate denier like Scott Pruitt to head the EPA is nothing less than an effort to undermine the agency’s core mission to safeguard our environment. On the campaign trail President-elect Trump vowed to break America’s commitment to the Paris Climate Agreement, to open our public lands to drilling, and to dismantle the EPA. By nominating Scott Pruitt he’s making it clear he intends to follow through on those promises.
“Pruitt has sued the EPA, has fought environmental protections enacted by President Obama, and has denied the science of climate change itself. He represents the very threats the EPA should protect against, not be headed by. The California League of Conservation Voters calls on our Senators to reject this wrong-headed nomination which puts our families and communities at risk.
“California has a unique role to play. We are the sixth largest economy in the world. The decisions we make here, the policies we create, and how we respond to Trump’s attacks on our environmental protections will determine the pace of progress these next four years. We must organize to defend our hard-fought victories because every Californian deserves clean air to breathe and clean water to drink.”
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It’s like Pearl Harbor Day for them, like somebody made a sneak attack.. Some reactions on Twitter:
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Obama’s EPA thinks we should sacrifice ourselves for climate change.
But ‘climate change’ is leftist manufactured bs. NASA with NOAA has engaged in data manipulation of the highest order, whose sole intention is to produce a narrative opposed by the evidence.
And in fact there is ZERO evidence that CO2 affect climate temperatures at all.
CO2 does not lead but *follows* changes in temperatures. This outstanding 4 minute video makes that point about CO2 clear as day:
Very nice start to this thread, Mr. Simpson. On WUWT, what’s featured front-and-center regarding the Pruitt nomination? Science.
+ 1 Love this appointment!
Thank you Janice. Whenever I’m talking to somebody who believes in climate change I show them this video.
I wish everyone could see the video.
Sure, it wouldn’t change everyone’s mind, but it would change a lot of minds, and get others thinking that maybe they’re not 100% sure anymore.
There’s a lot of different arguments to be used against the warmist loons, but IMO the point made in the video above packs the single most powerful counter-argument to sow doubt in the minds of the warmist believers.
Oh yeah!
This guy sounds like great choice to me
Cheers
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com
Ah, Climate science myth #1.
You are seeing in the ice-core data a NATURAL process.
AGW is NOT natural.
CO” is being put into the atmosphere by Man not by nature
CO2 is not always the driver in the climate mix.
How did Earth ever get out of it’s “Ice-ball” stages FI?
Answer: Major volcanic out-gassing of CO2/CH4
It is a FEED-BACK as well.
Both.
The driver of glacial/IA/interglacial changes is the Earth’s orbital path and whether the insolation on the NH land masses is either too weak or too strong to allow snow-field to persist there into/through the summer.
Co2 lags that effect due to SST’s which either absorbs more when cooling or out-gasses more when warming.
What we see in ice-cores is the NATURAL process the Earth goes through if left to it’s own devices.
If CO2 is added outside of that it will become the DRIVER.
It cannot be both an inconsequential result and a primary driver. If carbon dioxide is a driver of global climate, than when the carbon dioxide was emitted by oceans, it would have done the same thing you claim here: warmed the earth enough to create a huge water feedback loop, creating run-away warming.
It is physically impossible for it to do two different things based on where the carbon dioxide came from.
Arsivo, what you claim would indeed be true for any normal physical compound but you must try to remember that CO2 is not one of those normal physical compounds. It is a magical compound imbued with all manner of spooky secret supernatural properties which allow it to do anything at all !
I love the way alarmists actually believe that their opinions are facts.
Nobody knows how earth got into it’s snowball phase, nobody knows how it got out.
Some scientists theorize that CO2/CH4 caused it, but it’s just a theory.
Also I love the way you warmists do science. If 99% of the temperature and CO2 do not move together, the 1% of the time that it does proves that CO2 controls climate.
Getting desperate toneb, I feast on your fears.
Physical processes do not hinge on the source of the CO2. If you put some CO2 in a flask, you will not be able to tell the difference between molecules that were from man-made sources and natural sources. The amount of man-made CO2 is a small fraction of the total carbon cycle of the planet. Your premise is incorrect.
“It cannot be both an inconsequential result and a primary driver. If carbon dioxide is a driver of global climate, than when the carbon dioxide was emitted by oceans, it would have done the same thing you claim here: warmed the earth enough to create a huge water feedback loop, creating run-away warming.
It is physically impossible for it to do two different things based on where the carbon dioxide came from.”..
Look.
It’s really simple if you concentrate.
There are NOT doing different things.
CO2 is a GHG and restricts LWIR from leaving the planet.
Leading to warming.
What is different is WHEN CO2 comes into the mix.
Temperature drives CO2 release from the oceans.
Warmer oceans don’t absorb as much.
So the Earth gets warmer due to a more favourable NH summer TSI.
CO2 rises as a consequence.
Feed-back – more warming (amplified by H2O)
That is the natural glacial/interglacial/ice-age process.
Now we have increased the CO2 concentration by another 40%.
Nature didn’t do that WE did.
Do you see the distinction?
CO2 is a GHG whether it comes first or second and the consequences are the same either further warming/cooling (natural) or driven warming (us).
And:
“I love the way alarmists actually believe that their opinions are facts”.
Atcually not – I go with the IPCC range of an ECS of between 1.5 and 4.5C per x2CO2.
1.5 is not alarming.
4.5 certainly is.
I advocate the science my friend.
And as such it is NOT “my opinion”.
That CO2 does what it does is empirical science.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/empirical
In fact it has, stretching back to 1859….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
“Some scientists theorize that CO2/CH4 caused it, but it’s just a theory”.
Nope – nothing else could have.
And it’s in the ice-cores.
As I said CO2 *warms* the planet.
How do you suppose Earth exited a “Snowball” state.
A passing Star perhaps?
“Getting desperate toneb, I feast on your fears.”
Not fears my friend.
And climate science is not “desperate”.
No more so than the science that has brought us the means we *talk* to each other now.
It advances.
If wrong someone gets great kudos in finding it so.
A Nobel even?
That is why the science is empirical my friend.
No one has.
Not Willis, Ball, Tisdale …. and most certainly not our impolite Lord.
Were are they pray?
With their Nobel-winning papers?
That HAVE TO overturn those ~150 years of empirical science.
Models not needed my friends.
What I have is scientific knowledge and common-sense.
Actually the latter is the most important.
Demonstrated multiple times on every thread here.
Toneb, as usual, you contradict yourself.If CO2 is all powerful, then it must always be all powerful.
If CO2 is so weak that it’s effects are easily over ridden by natural forces, then it is always so weak that it’s effects are easily over ridden by natural forces.
You are trying to argue that when temperature and CO2 are in sync, it’s because CO2 is all powerful.
When CO2 and temperature are not in sync it’s because CO2 is being over ridden by natural forces.
CO2 in ice cores has been shown as an effect of temperatures rises not the cause of them. The alarmist idea that this has been the wrong way round has failed to be shown in any timeline no matter how long or small. The chicken and egg has been well established here, but we are seeing some that are deceiving the public for personal gain.
CO2 is not a magic compound and behaves no different to where the source comes from. El Nino’s and the AMO dominate the global climate and there is no evidence CO2 has changed global temperatures different from these natural changes in any form.
There is no positive feedback found in CO2 at all. The idea there is a feedback is only on exaggerating claims of future global warming with no scientific evidence. There is no evidence that if CO2 is added outside of the natural cycle it will become the driver.
The ice core records show every time CO2 reached high levels there was an major ice age soon after. It had no affect on preventing major cooling on the planet because it is the effect of warming temperatures, not the cause of them. The effect of something never automatically means it work both ways and must be the cause too. This myth has been the FALSE assumption in the theory.
There was no massive volcanic outgassing driving us out of the last Ice Age.
The polar isolation of Antarctica is why we are oscillating back and forth between very short relatively comfortable interglacials and long, near-extinction Ice Ages.
The last Ice Age killed off the Neanderthals. The next one might kill off homo sapiens.
Trump just keeps on giving! I did not expect much from him, but I am happy to say he has already exceeded my hopes! And it is still 6 weeks until he is president!
“Ahead of schedule and under budget!” =)
About says it all. Plus many.
Touché!
And they are going to pay for it. Win/Win
Best Election Ever !
I was lucky enough to cast my first vote for Reagan when I was old enough (and my second), and I voted for Trump. So, with respect, I have to say second best election ever. Hopefully in hindsight, it will be the best election ever.
“he’s making it clear he [Donald Trump] intends to follow through on those promises“. Now that’s good news. It’s what the American public voted for. For a while it looked like Donald Trump was pulling back from some of his stated policies.
Sorry, I could not suppress a smile when I saw that sentence. Ok, where is the problem? Mr. Trump made many promises, and a month and a half before he is sworn in, he has already begun trying to keep them. Is this not the best result the country could have expected?
It really is cool — their reactions are strong evidence that Donald Trump is now seen as the de facto president even by his enemies. That’s the effect of a true leader. Finally!
Trump’s said it: “No more money for politicized science!”
It’s what the American public voted for.
Damn straight
Who did the Greenies expect ” Richard Windsor”?
Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt the right man at the right time at the right place!
EPA crowd do you know the words to cry me a river!!!!
The “appearance” was merely more fake news from the purveyors of fake news, the MSM.
The ubiquitous Green Blob will not give up without a fight. Speaking personally I will rejoice as I watch the Great Green Gravy train derail.
On a more serious note, the dismantling of all the unnecessary and expensive green rules, regulations and edicts could push the US economy into a period of unprecedented growth and prosperity.
Any hope of the European Union following America’s lead? Not a chance with its entrenched, unelected bureaucracy only interested in feathering its own nests, as opposed to looking after the interests of those they are supposed to represent.
It’s enough to make a country want to leave.
Years ago I would have defended the EPA but they have become so politically corrupt the only solution is to disband the US EPA entirely.
There comes a point when just sacking a few top name will not be enough to fix the rot.
I suspect that the EUrocrats will double down and enforce even more regulations, while making disparaging noises about the USA ‘failure’ to implement the ‘Paris accord’. However, the “it’s the economy stupid” will rapidly cause them problems. Regulatory control only works if everyone is doing it – and that was the real reason behind TTP and TTIP, hegemony of pan-national/supra-national companies and banks enforcing regulations to suit themselves not countries or small companies. Now with Brexit and Trump, there are already breaches in the dyke before all the concrete is poured.
Mob not blob
I agree, Steve, there’s way too much method to this madness for it to be some sort of “organic” critter . . and thanks for your insistence.
Greg,
The EPA is now infested with former NRDC and other green NGO staff throughout its GS ranks. The swamp has filled with lots of moles under Obama.
The Department of State under Hillary was just the tip of the iceberg. People going back and forth between State and the Clinton Foundation slush fund was part of it.
We have had similar activities by people going between other government agencies and NGOs, but on a vaster scale. Once inside government, watermelons can aid their old partners, with the idea that they can go back if things get tough or the money is better.
That’s a very good point Peter. I certainly hope the follow up of defunding all the many layers of propaganda and operatives in NASA and NOAA to name just two agencies as well as almost all “educational” related steep in dogma as a start.
I see lots of over confidence on the board. This more like the Punic Wars. The globalist left is married to junk science authority. It might morf to another topic just as “clean air”, “over population” were topics of the past and rolled into “warming” then “climate change”. They are shape shifters and it really isn’t about climate at the core at all. It’s about central planning authority and climate was just another method to that end.
So even complete defunding and eradication of the climate change movement, which is so deserved, it will take a great deal of time and may reemerge in a new form such as “sustainability” or any other excuse to rationalize global authority by the very same characters behind the current show.
These are the longer game points, in the short term you can expect at least two full “Borkings” from the minority party. EPA might be one of the nominations. We might also need those North Dakota water cannons for the inauguration. The greens are quick army right now on short notice, you can see the fanaticism regardless of AstroTurfing in the pipeline in North Dakota. I’m also concerned while Trump is in the right place intellectually this fight wasn’t on the first 100 day agenda. Creating exactly the short of side show distraction the left thrives on.
There is another issue with Pruitt himself, he’s a strong states rights advocate. Normally a positive but at the same time he isn’t going to engage the sort of green cults growing in California or the North East. Hence the greens and climate trolls have natural incubation habitats even if the central planning dollars are reduced or eliminated. Keep in mind defunding the broader climate propaganda enclaves is far from assured.
A good start but as you can see final victory is a massive hard fight away all the same.
Yes the propaganda emanates “from the top down and from the bottom up” to capture the middle class. Already city, county, and state governments are on board with the AGW and Agenda 21 plans and actions to take control. California being the most egregious perpetrator. It will take another Trump like uprising to unseat the faithful in those huge population centers that voted HRC and that won’t happen soon.
@Peter Miller December 7, 2016 at 3:22 pm
The EU is already shaky and thankfully we in the UK have chosen to leave the corrupt, incompetent edifice. When America starts to grow and the EU continues to falter the rats will start leaving the sinking ship.
Hopefully, Theresa May and her government now see the writing on the wall and push for a ‘hard’ Brexit and join with America to shake off the green, liberal left elite and value their own hard working citizens instead of babysitting the rest of the world and wasting vast amounts of money on green policies.
The green blobs rabid fanaticism and ultimate corruption has turned around and bitten them on the backside.
The fate of all bureaucracies is to become politically corrupt. The only difference is how fast.
Trump could have been, and may well be, pretty bad. But he has succeeded perfectly in one thing: #neverclinton.
That was half of my “hopes”. The other half was giving the establishment (both sides) a severe case of Hemorrhoids. And he has far surpassed that one!
What better way to announce how the meeting with algore went. Slap! Would you like another Al?
+10
THIS is our moment! We need every radio station in the country, every right-leaning newspaper, to TRUMPET TO THE SKIES the historical facts of natural climate change IN CONTEXT and let people come to their own, eminently logical, conclusion that for 30 years we’ve been “had.” We need to CHANGE THE NARRATIVE that energy and environment are necessarily opposed! Go TRUMP, doing what we elected him for!!!
I just felt a Great Disturbance in my pants, as though thousands of EPA employees were suddenly unemployed.
Yep. It was good for me, too!
The foam-mouthed frenzy going on among the Greens is a sure-fire indication that – once again – The Trump is on the right track.
I am reminded of a tag line on another blog:
“It’s always reassuring to find you’ve made the right enemies.” — William J. Donovan
it’s the Force. the force of a volume of money expanding in your pocket.
I got a mighty tingle up my leg!
Drain the EPA swamp!
I think the EPA just got a mighty tinkle down their legs.
Exceptional +1
+1
“I just felt a great disturbance…”
I can’t stop laughing!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…..yup, me too…..one of the better ones!
I think thousands of EPA employees have been feeling strange disturbances in their pants as well!
@wws
Very funny wws. I always enjoy your posts.
Plus you have my Dad’s initials. Except he is a wws III.
Sierra Club, Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey and especially Sheldon Whitehouse… to me, that bunch just provided Sterling endorsement for Scott Pruitt.
They oppose him? Then, I’m for him.
No:
“I call it weather.” -Donald Trump
They oppose him? Then, I’m for him.
Same logic I use with the local liberal rag.
Works over 90% of the time. If the MSM is for it then I’m against it. If the MSM is against it then I’m for it. In most cases the louder they scream the more I like it.
We are going to see the left and their press get ever more shrill and outrageous with their claims and it will not serve them well in the long run. Their credibility, already seriously damaged, will continue to decline as they get ever more hyperbolic.
The thing is that the democrats and their press are always in a political campaign mode most of us are just plain sick of it. Most of us were happy when the elections were over, thinking that the endless BS would end for awhile once it was over but that is not the case.
It’s like a kid that throws tantrums. The people are tired of it. They just got a hard spanking during the election and are still crying about that and will not learn their lesson. They will scream until they’re spanked again and I bet they still won’t learn.
Saunders linking to the NYTimes article is massive Projection Disorder… (Exxon Knew…)
The 10th Amendment still has a heartbeat. If we can keep it alive, we may learn to appreciate why it was included in the Bill of Rights.
I’m sick and tired of being insulted by these loons, actors, musicians, news reporters, EU, France, drug addicts…you name it.
Who the hell do they think they are?
Half the people in this country should be furious!
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If you examine the County map of the USA it is possible to drive from the East Coast all the way to the West Coast WITHOUT driving through a county that voted for HER….
Hahaha…
Cheers, KevinK
That is funny!
LOL!
If we had an Australian version you wouldn’t need much ink .
” KevinK
December 7, 2016 at 3:27 pm
If you examine the County map of the USA it is possible to drive from the East Coast all the way to the West Coast WITHOUT driving through a county that voted for HER….”
Otherwise known as “The Freedom Trail”…
I sincerely think that WUWT, Climate Depot, etc are the reason why this happened.
Thanks!
Especially, WUWT. Many thanks to our gracious host.
Yes +10
Quit being a piker Alan. PLUS 1776
Other than from the loony left, a bloodless revolution.
Oops! Comment to Resourceguy.
I have to throw Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit into that group as well. His slow and thorough audit (i.e., destruction) of Michael Mann’s hockey stick paper initiated the total downfall of the ‘Hockey Team’ and probably led to the release of the ‘Climategate’ emails.
Yes, an essential contributor. But there is no one most important element. McIntyre, Curry, WUWT, JoNova, Homewood, Gosselin, and many other have been soldiering on for years. We owe them all a great thanks.
IMO, the election turning point was Hillary’s Basket of Deplorables talk in NYC to radical progressives, and then how Trump turned that into a rousing ‘Les Miserables’ theme at the opening of his immediately following Miami rally. At that moment, I became a graduate Harvard educated Deplorable whose ex-wife went to school with and overlapped Hillary ar Wellesey College. Ex wife shows some judgement on my or her part (story perspective depends), the Deplorables Miami intro shows much better later judgement concerning more important things. BTW, Trump also won Florida, my legal voting residence!
ristvan
..oh yes!… Three cheers!
Correct. Eye-watering attention to detail derailed Mann’s Hockey Stick gravy train. Great work by M&M.
“Yes, an essential contributor. But there is no one most important element. McIntyre, Curry, WUWT, JoNova, Homewood, Gosselin, and many other have been soldiering on for years. We owe them all a great thanks.”
We really do. Every now and then, the right people come along at the right time.
… and don’t forget Jennifer Marohasy.
+++++
ClimateGate helped!
Hide the Decline:
^^ Good celebratory video for right now ^^
That song never gets old.
And WHAT a wonderful announcement on ***Pearl Harbor Day*** — a trouncingly great blow for science realist VICTORY!
Those on the side of science truth and liberty have taken some devastatingly hard, cowardly, blows (some have even sacrificed careers), but, in the end, TRUTH AND LIBERTY WON.
Go, Allies for Truth!
(youtube)
Sometimes stunned, sometimes weary beyond trying, but, in the end, VICTORIOUS.
As Paul Westhaver points out below, WAY TO GO, ANTHONY AND WUWT (and McIntyre and Monckton and Salby and Lindzen and Ball and Soon and Jo Nova and on and on……)
Thank you.
*************************************
And, lest we forget: Thank you, every one of you, who fought for our freedom or put yourself in harm’s way to protect America and Great Britain and Australia and New Zealand and their allies in WWII.
We will remember — always.
Janice
Did you know that MacArthur made sure that the man he left in command of the US and Filipino forces and who ultimately surrendered them was present for the signing ceremony. Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright was found in alive after nearly 4 years in a prison camp in Manchuria. MacArthur had him taken care of and made sure he was present on the USS Missouri in full uniform that day. MacArthur had opposed Wainwright receiving the MOH as was proposed in 1942 but did not oppose it after the war.
As a rule the Americans that survived being prisoners of the Japanese had about a 10% shorter life span after their release as compared to those Americans that had been prisoners of the Germans. I suspect that would hold true for all the allied prisoners of all nationalities with the exception of the Russians and Poles held by the Germans who were treated much worse.
Its already started at the EPA…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sb948qlzh-w/UFNeshqd3YI/AAAAAAAAeKI/a2ImXAW9v7k/s1600/AAA+WHITES+COMMIT+MASS+SUICIDE.gif
Pruitt is gonna need a mighty big plunger. That’s a big load to flush.
Hmmm. AGW lemming behavior.
Lemmings?
. . . and there are bulldozers standing by to fill in the hole.
That’s what I call a good start , you may need a bigger hole though .
Veritas palyed a role too:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265043/james-okeefe-mainstream-media-dead-we-won-frontpagemagcom
So did propaganda sites like SkS, Climate Central, ClimateProgress, Tamino, Joe Romm….etc etc etc
Their RABID alarmist exaggerations played a HUGE part in bringing down the AGW scam.
We should thank them for their moronic efforts.
Andy, in my case it was ‘blips’ (i.e., irrational posts & comments) on RealClimate that forced me into downloading the Vostok data and plotting it for myself. I guess some strange confluence of Herbert Simon’s ‘bounded rationality’ and Thomas Kuhn’s ‘paradigm shifts’ had finally tripped my (engineering) B.S. detector and forced me into verification mode. It wasn’t long after that I found Steve Mcintyre’s Climate Audit and it was all down hill from there, buried in the depths of scepticism..
The cheering is premature. I’ll believe the nightmare is over when I can buy 60W tungsten lamp bulbs again in any European supermarket.
Wont happen, ever
I won’t ever need to buy any more tungsten filament lamps as I have a loft full, even 75W and 100W – enough to see me out. I bought them as they were de-stocking and they cost 22 euro cents for two!
They also provide sufficient background heating in the winter as it gets dark earlier and I rarely need extra heating on. Win-Win
SteveT
I did not really expect that much of Trump, other than the major fact he was not Hillary Rodham Clinton. He is thus far pleasantly suprising me. I did not much like Trump’s practice of talking down to his audiences (he did graduate from Wharton, and I know he has a better than 8th grade vocabulary), but he is apparently delivering on his promises.
I’m confident Truitt will know the difference between a rain puddle and a lake 😉😉
Pruitt. But I agree, as a Wisconsin farm owner whose back in the woods, Wisconsin permitted since 1983, 1 acre dammed artificial stock pond miles from the Wisconsin River, (itself 40 miles from the navigable Missisippi) would have been swept under WOTUS and EPA. Hey, EPA, get the hell off my dairy farm I have owned. loved, and managed for crops, game (turkey, deer, trout, and much more), timber, and erosion comtrol for more than three decades. You screwed up Gold King Mine. You know nothing about contour rotation, invasive species control (multiflora rose, garlic mustard, Chinese honeysuckle in our part of the woods), or general land management. Just go away.
Really! Who is going to take care of your land better than you. Nobody!
EPA, just go away.
Maybe someone could print that on a tee-shirt. ( Unbleached, organic cotton , of course ).
Also from Wisconsin, You mentioned – “get the hell off my dairy farm”
The “EPA DOES NOT THINK IT IS YOUR FARM”, they believe it is communal property owned by them and just occupied by you, i.e., a communist system. The EPA along with the DNR (less so now) are flooded with communist visionaries and tools of the party.
It sounds like Pruitt gets the big picture which is good for us but not so good for the communist occupiers.
pretty much the same down here in Texas. Shoot, if we didn’t dig holes to hold run off, it would really be dry around here
. . . it comes down to who will stay up all night with the sick cow — the cow’s owner or a government bureaucrat? . . . and why Russian farmers grew more produce on the plots they were allowed for personnel planting and harvest than the land where they were told plant what/when where acres and acres of tomatoes and other vegetables rotted annually because the bowels of a central bureaucracy couldn’t get trucks there in time to haul them.
I think that environment community should reread Abraham Lincoln’s first inaugural speech, where he addresses the South: “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies.”
WOW, Im in heaven, this is the most positive news since climategate emails, and has the potential to be even bigger!!!!
The Left’s responses encourage me; you only take flak when your over the target.
A Polecat gets crazy desparate when it’s cornered.
“… every Californian deserves clean air to breathe and clean water to drink …”.
=============================
Exactly.
She’s actually agreeing with Trump, that’s exactly what the EPA is supposed to focus on, not the naturally occurring beneficial trace atmospheric gas CO2.
Good way to put it, Chris.
yep, like Trump said, we all want clean air and crystal clear water.
EPA failed on Flint water supply and Gold King mine because they are too busy with politically motivated CO2 “pollution”.
EPA: all your bases are belong to us !
Pruitt Has Recently Questioned The Validity Of The Science Behind Global Warming
This is a big deal. Because greater legitimacy will be given to the skeptic side by the very fact that we are now in power. And have done things like shut down NASA’s climate operations for being “politicized science.”
“If you can’t beat ’em .. join ’em.” The fear mongering Chicken Littles, despite billions of dollars spent and virtually the entire leftist media and leftist educational establishment behind them, couldn’t beat us.
This statement is still very premature. For a start, there are still hundreds of countries out there that want to suck the money out of America, Australia, etc and the global warming fr4ud is their method of choice.
“For a start, there are still hundreds of countries out there that want to suck the money out of America, Australia, etc”
This is a very good talking point to explain to the people. The reason most of the nations support the Paris Accord is because they stand to benefit financially from it, and the taxpayers of the western world stand to lose a lot of money over it.
Go where there is an easy and yet easier response. 1. Paris is a voluntary executive agreement under UNFCCC, with a subsequent three year opt out. 2. UNFCCC is actually a Pact, but with a 1 year opt out. uNFCCC admitting Palestine as a voting UNFCCC member last year is an explicit contravention of 1990 and 1994 US laws that Obumer just ignored. (WhynUS does not fund UNESCO). So exercise the one year UNFCCC opt out mandated bynUS law since 26 years. No Green Climate Fund obligations. No Paris Agreement as is only subsidiary to UNFCCC. UN problems solved.
Well, there’s old wet blanket Hive, again. (head shake)
Take heart, Hive! They may “want to.” They will not GET to.
No that is not so. Here in New Zealand we have no option but to roll with the prevailing story, like it or not.
The likelihood is that as the changes happen in the US the sheltering alternative thinkers will emerge.
There is climate change but what portion if any can be pinned to man. If we are lucky we will have a period of cooler weather globally that will allow us to objectively define the apportioned AGW component.
I believe that the dividend due to mankind from the massive technological developments of the last 25 years will come if we stop pouring money down the drains of the Musk’s etc.
My big bug is the ludicrous hand ringing we hear about fresh water shortages. At the same time we cripple the energy sector. With technology and energy a limitless quantity of sea water can be converted into freshwater, its all about energy and technology lets get moving again and stop the apologetic stance we hold on everything.
“Bill Treuren December 7, 2016 at 7:35 pm”
There could be a change given the fact John Key recently, and surprisingly, resigned as New Zealand’s prime minister.
True enough, Hivemind.
However, our (Australia’s) latest “emissions intensity scheme” of two days ago lasted about 24 hours before being pulled.
The Trump effect will help turn the tide and embolden political opposition to this silly CO2 obsession.
not by anyone outside the US (or outside the Republican Party/Trump govt).
Pruitt’s appointment is playing vey badly in the UK media just now.
To the Germans this looks like outright lunacy.
Griff, I think you’ll find it’s only the loons at the Grauniad and other lefty rags (the ones with desperately low circulations) who are really wetting their pants. As for the Germans, ask them about their screwed-up energy policy.
Besides, why should people in the States care about what some green loons across the pond think?
I’m very happy with it and I live in England. I get the strong feeling that Trump is going to be a great President. MAGA
The UK media being the Guardian in your case. So not representative at all then.
Who cares what the Germans think? If they want to fill up Germany with pointless bird slicers, that’s their problem.
Playing bad in the UK MEDIA. Need I say more.
Griffie actually believes that the BBC speaks for the average Briton.
Griff: “Pruitt’s appointment is playing vey badly in the UK media just now.”
After all the abusive BS they’ve spouted about him, you think Trump gives a flying dog’s bollock what the UK media has to say about him?
Get real.
Hey Griff, this would be the time to trot out your Arctic Sea Ice Extent graph and demand an explanation. Have you been drinking heavily or something?
And we should give a hoot what the EU nations think because…….? Even with the exit of most of the US military from Europe the US remain the backbone of NATO simply because the countries of the EU, with the exception of France, have failed to provide adequately for their own defense since WW II ended.
Spain went bankrupt going whole hog into “renewables”. Britain has started the rot with Brexit and more almost certainly to follow. All of them are struggling with influx of “refugees” they have allowed to invade their nations and with their own populations that are getting ever more restless because of the hair brained edicts of the EU. The McDonalds chain has seen the writing on the wall as the EU starts making noises about shaking them down to move their HQ from Luxembourg to the UK. Expect to see a lot more of this kind of thing as the EU tries to tax international companies in an effort to stay afloat financially.
Sanity does appear that way to the insane.
Sierra Club ( https://twitter.com/sierraclub/status/806581344872648704 ) “Pruitt is a climate science denier who, as AG for Oklahoma, regularly conspired with the fossil fuel industry to attack EPA safeguards”
Pruitt was part of the AG backlash against the Gore-Oreskes-NY AG Schneiderman persecution of skeptics as ‘industry-funded crooks.” Not a good idea for our enviro-activist friends to keep on committing political suicide by accusing Pruitt of being paid oil money to lie, he could turn over what he knows about that whole accusation business to pending Attorney General Jeff Sessions …. whereupon enviro-activists might get that big ‘climate denier trial’ they’ve long been calling for, in which their dear leaders would need the best lawyers that Steyer/Soros money can buy.
To your average socialist, government is never wrong. That’s why they actually believe that telling the people that Pruitt opposed EPA regulations is going to sway the masses.
They find it impossible to believe that most people are opposed to ever more EPA regulations.
And thus the idiocy of socialists. How else to explain their support of BLM, which is anti-government as they preach killing the officers in charge with enforcing their governments dictates!
Phil, there is a perverse anarchist element in Marxism in particular and socialism in general. The notion of the State “withering away” , while US constitutional tradition and the British Whig politics it dererives from is about the constraints on what legitimate government is, not that all government is nearly equally illegitimate. We do have a bit of history on where each tradition leads.
The flak is heaviest when you are right over the target. Great pick.
“The flak is heaviest when you are right over the target.”
Oh that is a good line.
The other one is something old fighter pilots tell young ones.
“Tracers work in both directions”
I read a report a few months back that made the claim that tracer rounds had different aerodynmics compared to normal rounds. If your tracers were hitting the target, that meant all your other rounds were missing.
The best aces did not use tracers but relied on their planes gun sights.
Tracers do have slightly different ballistic properties than other rounds. The difference is small enough that it does not effect accuracy much except at longer ranges. Quite a few innovators during WW II ordered tracers eliminated from the loads of their squadrons aircraft guns. In many cases scores climbed simply because tracers warned the pilot of the targeted aircraft he was being fire at and which direction the threat was coming from so he would maneuver away before the attacker could adjust his fire on target.
As for “tracers working in both directions” I believe that came out of Vietnam and had to do with ground warfare. Being the gunner and assistant on an M-60 machine gun was a more dangerous proposition than being a rifleman when the tracers your firing pinpoints your position to the enemy and your weapon with it’s heavier firepower is the one they most want to take out. Also the M-40 Recoilless rifle uses a .50 caliber spotter firing a tracer round to get the piece on target and that also gives away the position of the piece.
“Ahhh, I don’t know, Daavvvy?” Being an avid military history student and trained by US Army to utilize light/medium/heavy machine guns, I have never heard of aircraft not using tracers for aerial engagement. I was taught to vary the spacing of ball, tracer, armor piercing etc, depending upon your tactical needs. Example, you are the base piece which riflemen and grenadiers are using to engage targets at distance(200-400meters) you run more tracers so they have a solid line-to-target on which to aim for each target you designate. Engaging vehicles you want tracer-AP-AP-AP-tracer-AP-AP-AP-tracer. Aircraft you want tracer-ball-ball-tracer-ball-ball-tracer. Firing straight tracer belts to ignite flammables(POL,structures) is not unheard of, just hard on barrels, and spacing tracers out to 1 in 5 or 1 in 7 is really only for firing consistently long bursts from fixed weapon/vehicle mount positions. It is all a bit more complicated than most people grasp. Please don’t try to simplify it for them, that just leads to comprehension issues.
Perhaps with Pruitt at the EPA, the agency can focus on real pollutants.
That would amazing of course.
He would then have to impose that conclusion on California etc., that’s where I see trouble. “States rights” is good on defense but the leftist states can use it to their ends as well.
CAGW goes to local incubators until they get back to national power.
If CA wants to go above and beyond the EPA minimums, that is their right. It is also a matter that only concerns CA citizens.
The best thing Trump could do would be to make a clean-up of the Flint MI water situation the first infrastructure project.
Dear President Elect Trump, if you can keep stoking the media and liberal ‘intelligentsia’ for the next four years i can die a happy man. For too many years i had to listen to the garbage spewed out by the PC crowd
as to how i might be affecting the world. I am now to the point where i can not listen or even read that crap
any more. I’M done. Please make them fester in a boil of snot and shiit. Thank you.
EPA gave us carbon pollution standards. The Earth should not be greening! That’s wrong!
Be still my beating heart 🙂 We have at least 4 years with a voice and I hope that’s enough. My concern is the money and politics involved in the AGW scam can wait us out. Hopefully we can go beyond executive orders and make lasting changes that prevent the scam from reappearing. Conservative have (or will have) majority power in the Senate, House, Executive office, and the Supreme Court. I hope we don’t waste it.
Do not forget enough state houses and legislatures to possibly amend the constitution in some key areas!
If not at the moment than in 2 years when we win a super majority in the senate.
I have heard no one mention this…I just want to get the idea out there into the ether.
That movement is currently ongoing, Convention of States (COS). No it is NOT a constitutional convention, it is operating under Article V of the Constitution:
“…or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by convention in three fourths thereof …”
One of the amendments I agree with is term limits on Senators and Congresspeople. They will never do it to themselves so it is up to the COS to do so. Hopefully, the COS will not get bogged down in a fight over which amendment to propose. Term limits will go a long way to ridding our government with life long inhabitants who lose touch with everyone but their PAC donors.
+1 COS producing term limits. 14 states signed on so far for a COS.
remember all, these appointments still need to be confirmed by the senate–our work is not done yet.
The biggest threat in the Senate to confirming Trump’s nominees will be an opinionated Republican or two. If the Repubicans stick together, they can pass all the nominations.
Given the last eight years, my confidence in the Republicans in the Senate is greatly diminished, to put it mildly. I would expect to see a huge uproar from Trump supporters if some selfish/self-righteous Republican tries to hold up the show. Are you listening Rand Paul?
Expert a full Borking.
This topic isn’t even on Trump’s top five list for the 100 days. Considering they could gather 7500 minions to a blizzard in North Dakota you could see an immediate transfer to the inauguration and pure spectacle with water cannons there.
Despite our special interest as a topic a good chunk of the population aren’t interested in the detailed technical fraud of climate alarmism. They’ll just a climate riot and the sales job of the MSM about the GOP “raping the planet” as Chris Matthews instantly blurted out tonight.
It’s old schtick but short-term it’s low hanging fruit for the democrats to fire up their deranged base.
The louder the roar from the left, the more I know Trump’s on the right track.
the 350 guy’s head explodes –
(got this out so quick, he must have expected it and drafted it)
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/scott-pruitt-stenographer-oil-gas-industry-article-1.2902255
on the bright side, by Pruitt –
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435470/climate-change-attorneys-general
” and has denied the science of climate change itself”
Science of climate change – I never heard about,
PSA alert.
Let me help you krishna.
Here is a video showing how the Science of Climate Change is done:
https://youtu.be/y9C0DYjFZLw
Is that activist J. Hansen or M. Mann in action ?
😉
“Politics makes strange bedfellows.”
We’ll see…..
Californians “think” like they do because they are high on narcotics most of the time. Once Trump has built the Mexico border wall, give them a couple of years and Californians will cold-turkey back to being more like the rest of the US.