Guest essay by Andy May and Javier
The evidence for a persistent irregular climate cycle with a period of 2400 ±200 years is strong. There is compelling evidence of a solar cycle of about the same length and phase; suggesting that the solar cycle might be causing the climate cycle. We will present a summary of the evidence, beginning with the original paleontological evidence, followed by the cosmogenic radionuclide (10Be or Beryllium-10 and 14C or Carbon-14) evidence. For more information, a bibliography of many papers discussing topics relevant to the Bray (Hallstatt) cycle can be found here. Only a small portion of the relevant papers are mentioned in this summary post.
In the November 16, 1968 issue of Nature, James R. Bray first proposed the idea of a 2600-year solar-driven climate cycle based primarily upon evidence of Holocene global glacier advances and retreats. We prefer to call this period the Bray Cycle after him, but the same cycle is often called the Hallstatt Cycle. In this post, we will use both names interchangeably to refer both to the climate cycle and the solar cycle. Bray only considered the maximum advance of a glacier field or a major re-advance that reached the near vicinity of the maximum. He used glacier fields in North America, Greenland, Eurasia, New Zealand and South America in the study. The glacial advances were dated using tree rings, lichenometry and radiocarbon dating. Glacial events for the last 13,700 years suggested an optimum interval of 2600 years. He used a “solar index,” based upon sunspots, sunspot cycle length and auroral records that covered the period from 700BC to the present day to show the cause might be a solar cycle. Over this period, the chi-square statistictied the glacial events to solar activity with a score of 28.6 (P<0.001).
While the use of changes in the rate of 14C production as a quantitative indicator of solar activity had not matured in 1968, Bray does mention that glacier records and 14C measurements correlate. He recognizes that 14C increases in periods of low solar activity and decreases in periods of high solar activity. Later researchers take advantage of this relationship to provide more evidence for the Bray cycle and to better estimate its length.
In 1988, Pestiaux, et al. found a strong 2500-year statistically significant cycle in the δ18O (delta-Oxygen-18, an indicator of air temperature) concentration in three deep sea cores taken in the Indian Ocean. Vasiliev and Dergachev (2002) reviewed the available evidence for a ~2400-year climate cycle and summarized (note the dates of the cold periods are all a bit later than the dates we use in this post):
“There are many data confirming the cyclical nature of the Earth’s climate. The study of the δ18O concentration in ice core (Dansgaard et al., 1984) showed a ∼2500-year climatic cycle to exist. A ∼2400-year quasiperiod was observed in the δ18O concentration of deep sea core with high sedimentation rates (Pestiaux et al., 1988). Similar periodic behaviour has been found in GRIP2 and GISP ice cores over the last 12 000 years. Glaciological time series indicate that the Holocene was punctuated by a series of ∼2500-year events (O’Brien et al., 1995). The Middle Europe oak dendroclimatology demonstrates that the Little Ice Age (1500–1800 yr. AD), the Hallstattzeit cold epoch (750–400 yr. BC) and the earlier cold epoch (3200–2800 yr. BC) are separated by 2200–2500 years (see Damon and Sonett, 1992, p. 378). The time positions of these epochs are correlated with the periods of large 14C fluctuations …”
O’Brien, et al. in the December 22, 1995 issue of Science describe their geochemical analysis of the Summit Greenland ice cores. The data demonstrates that cooler climates occur at roughly 2600-year intervals in the Holocene. The oldest of these events is the Younger Dryas period cooling event (12,800BP) and the most recent is the Little Ice Age (roughly 700BP to 130BP). We will use BP as years before 1950 in this post. O’Brien continues:
“Cold events identified in our [ice core] glacio-chemical series correspond in timing to records of worldwide Holocene glacier advances and to cold events in paleoclimate records from Europe, North America, and the Southern Hemisphere, as determined by combining glacier advance, oxygen isotope (δ18O), pollen count, tree ring width, and ice core data.”
A plethora of climatic proxy evidence supports a well-established ~2400 year climatic cycle. Even in 1995, using 14C as a climate and/or solar activity proxy was controversial. But, O’Brien continues:
“Although a Δ14C -climate link is controversial, a Holocene climate quasi-cycle of ~2500 years (close to our quasi-2600-year pattern), in phase with Δ14C variations, has been identified by a number of researchers examining glacial moraines, δ18O records from ice cores, and temperature-sensitive tree ring widths.”
Van Geel, et al. (1998) discusses the dramatic rise in 14C during the Little Ice Age (1300AD-1850AD) and during the Greek Dark Age (roughly 1100BC to 800BC). The history of these cooler periods is fairly well known, so they can provide evidence of the link between 14C concentrations and climate. Van Geel discusses techniques of matching 14C reconstructions with historical and paleontological evidence, like the moss species composition of peat bogs. He also provides archaeological, paleontological and geological evidence that climate change around 850BC occurred simultaneously in both hemispheres. To this point, the 14C and 10Be radionuclide concentrations in the Earth’s carbon cycle and in ice cores, respectively, have mostly been used in a qualitative way. It was difficult to use them to estimate solar activity or climate quantitatively due to problems in determining the computational parameters. For 14C, the problems are removing the long-term geomagnetic variation and estimating the total amount of carbon in the system at the time the 14C was created by cosmic rays. For 10Be, also created by cosmic rays, it is knowing the precipitation rate in the area where the ice core was cut and how it varies over time. Steinhilber, et al., 2012, explain it well, see Figure 1:

Figure 1 (Steinhilber, et al., 2012)
Steinhilber, et al. explain the problems:
“14C enters the global carbon cycle, and therefore fluctuations of the atmospheric 14C concentration … measured as Δ14C in tree rings are damped, smoothed, and delayed relative to the 14C production. The effect of the carbon cycle can be removed by inverse carbon cycle modeling. The resulting 14C production rate … is a better measure of the cosmic radiation, but it still contains a climate signal component due to unknown temporal changes of the carbon cycle … In contrast to 14C, aerosol-borne 10Be is removed from the atmosphere relatively fast, within a few years, and stored in natural archives such as polar ice sheets. Because of its short atmospheric residence time, 10Be directly reflects cosmic ray intensity variations with almost no attenuation and a delay of 1–2 y. Uncertainties are introduced mainly on annual time scales by atmospheric mixing processes and wet and dry deposition from the atmosphere to the ice.”
Steinhilber, et al. use 14C concentrations from tree rings and 10Be ice core records from both Greenland and Antarctica. Since both are created by cosmic rays, but suffer from different environmental effects, they use principal component analysis to extract the cosmic ray effect. They found that the first principal component explained 69% of the total variance and used it to model the total radionuclide production rate.
The Bray cycle appears to be closely tied to tight clusters of grand solar maxima and minima. The Little Ice Age Wolf, Spörer, Maunder and Dalton grand minima are the best example of a solar grand minima cluster and they fall in a Bray low. The Greek Dark Age and the Homer grand minimum also fall in a Bray low. Significant historical events that fall in Bray lows are labeled in figure 2. A more complete picture of these events can be found here. The Little Ice Age (LIA) is a well-known cold period filled with plagues and suffering due to cold, for more details see here and in Dr. Wolfgang Behringer’s excellent book. The period labelled “GDA” is the Greek Dark Ages, during this Bray low the Late Bronze Age ended and after a period of civilization collapse, the Early Iron Age started. The “Uruk” Bray low event corresponds with the expansion of the Uruk civilization and the growth of some of the world’s first cities. Near the end of the Uruk Bray low, the Middle East transitions from the Copper Age to the Early Bronze Age and cuneiform writing appears.
The earliest Bray low shown corresponds with the beginning of the “LBK” or the Linear Pottery Culture along the Danube River in Europe. This period marks the beginning of the end of the hunter-gatherer culture in Europe and the beginning of the growth of an agricultural economy. We are not certain the LBK and Uruk historical events were determined by Bray lows, we just mention them to position the lows in terms of human history. However, the more recent Greek Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age are well established colder periods with numerous historical climatic crises.
It is interesting that each Bray low corresponds to a major cultural transition. The LBK is roughly the end of the Early Neolithic in Europe, when agriculture started to spread. The Uruk period is when the Middle East transitions from the Copper Age to the Early Bronze Age. The GDA occurs as the Middle East moves from the Bronze Age to the Iron Age and the LIA occurs when humans transition from the Pre-industrial era to the Industrial era. Other cultural transitions have been identified in different parts of the world for these periods. Cooler and more difficult climates times do stimulate innovation. This evidence has led some archaeologists, like Weninger et al., 2009, or Roberts et al., 2011, to develop the theory that climate caused environmental stress is an engine to societal change, and they both point to the lows of the Bray cycle as some of the best examples.
Usoskin, et al. (2016, Astronomy and Astrophysics) performed a spectral decomposition of 14C and 10Be curves to 7,000 BC. Once the first component was removed a very strong, in phase, 2400-year cycle was uncovered in both curves as shown in Figure 2. The blue curve is 14C and the red is 10Be, the vertical scale is a computed “sunspot index number.” Solar grand maxima are shown as red stars and solar grand minima are shown as open blue circles. We have historical records establishing the grand minima after 1500BC, the earlier ones are based on a model of 14C and 10Be curves.

Figure 2 (after Usoskin, et al.)
Steinhilber, et al. found that using the first component of a principal component analysis eliminated terrestrial effects from the curves and resulted in a 2200-year cycle. Usoskin, et al. used a related but different statistical technique to remove terrestrial effects and extracted a 2400-year cycle from the data. Usoskin’s Pearson’s coefficient between the 10Be and 14C records was 0.77 which is highly significant (p<10-5). Usoskin notes:
“This Hallstatt cycle has so far either been ascribed to climate variability (Vasiliev & Dergachev 2002) or to geomagnetic fluctuations, particularly geomagnetic pole migration (Vasiliev et al. 2012). However, the fact that the signal we found is in phase and of the same magnitude in the two cosmogenic isotope reconstruction implies that it can hardly be of climatic origin. As already pointed out, 14C and 10Be respond differently to climate changes. In particular, 14C is mostly affected by the ocean ventilation and mixing, while 10Be (in particular, its deposition in central Greenland) is mainly affected by large-scale atmospheric circulation, particularly in the North Atlantic region (Field et al.2006; Heikkila et al. 2009). … We thus conclude that the ≈2400-yr Hallstatt cycle is most likely a property of long-term solar activity.”
McCracken, et al., 2013, also looked at the 10Be data and the 14C data together and separately. He provides the figure below showing how well they match each other at about 2300 years. In this Fourier amplitude spectrum, the 10Be and 14C Bray cycle peaks only differ by 20 years. They also match the cosmic ray modulation function (“Ф”) quite well. The modulation function is described by Gleeson and Axford, 1968.

Figure 3 (McCracken, et al., 2013)
Neither the Bray cycle nor the pattern of clustered grand solar minima are perfectly timed. Both, largely vary around a 2400-year cycle by about 200 years each way. Allowing for this, the Bray cycle lows and the clustered grand solar minima do correspond with major historical cold periods as shown in figure 2. Although the 10Be and 14C records suggest a regular pattern of solar and cosmic ray intensity, the grand solar minima and maxima effects on the Earth’s climate do not depict a dominant periodic behavior. The minima and maxima appear to be modified by other climatic factors that may, in part, be chaotic. That said, there is a tendency for the grand minima to cluster in Bray lows. Usoskin has investigated this and presents a probability function of the tendency, we show this in figure 4. Grand solar minima do occur outside Bray lows, but almost half occur within 250 years of a Bray low.

Figure 4, after Usoskin, 2016
The evidence herein and in the bibliography provided, supports the existence of both a climatic cycle and cosmogenic radionuclide cycle of ~2400 ±200 years that are in phase. The lows of the cosmogenic cycle have a high probability of containing grand solar minima of the Spörer and Maunder type. There are only two possible explanations for this evidence. Either the climate variations are responsible for the changes in cosmogenic isotopes 14C and 10Be, or the solar variability is responsible for the changes in the rate of production of both isotopes and is having a strong effect on the centennial to millennial climatic variability of the planet. The latter explanation is supported by two lines of evidence. For the period of time for which we have records of solar activity, the rate of cosmogenic isotope production correlates with solar activity, as figure 5 shows. Also, the lows of the Bray cycle represent the periods of highest cosmogenic isotope production and are marked by about half of the solar grand minima on record, including the Wolf, Spörer, Maunder and Dalton minima. To claim the isotopes represent a climatic contamination is akin to a claim that the cosmogenic isotopes do not represent a solar proxy at all. Given that cosmogenic isotopes are well established as a proxy for solar activity, that claim requires strong evidence that so far does not exist.

Figure 5 (References here and here)
Summary and Conclusions
The Bray cycle was first proposed as a climate cycle driven by a solar cycle of the same length and phase by James Bray in 1968. He correlated glacial advances (representing colder periods) around the world to a sunspot index and concluded that the solar cycle and the cold periods were linked. This was the same conclusion reached, with far more data in 1990 by Hood and Jirikowic, and in 2016 by Usoskin, et al.
At each Bray cycle low, beginning with the Little Ice Age and ending with the Younger Dryas period, there are significant historical and archeological events indicating a colder climate. In addition, Usoskin has shown that grand solar minima tend to cluster in Bray cycle lows. The Bray cycle varies between 2200 and 2600 years from peak to peak, with a most common length of 2300 to 2400 years. The cycle may be much more regular than that, the variation in length could be caused by two other problems. First, our ability to date events in the past is not very accurate, errors of 100 years or more are very common. Second, existing climatic conditions going into a Bray low and the state of other cycles (for example the 1000-year Eddy cycle and the 208-year de Vries cycle) help to determine the Bray cycle effect. A Bray low during a glacial period will be different than a Bray low today. So, the fact that we cannot be precise about the Bray cycle length does not invalidate the cycle.
While the cause of the solar cycle of Bray length is currently unknown, Scafetta, et al. (2016) have suggested that the orbits of the larger planets have a repeating pattern of 2318 years that might be the cause. Proof is elusive, but this is a fascinating area of study.
The Bray cycle has been recognized in glacier advances and re-advances, ice raft data, peat bog studies, δO18 data, and in 10Be and 14C records for almost 50 years. It is supported by historical accounts from Bray lows and archeological data. There is little doubt that the cycle exists, but its exact length and its ultimate cause are unknown. However, much work is being done that should bear fruit with time.
One inescapable conclusion, from the evidence presented, is that solar variability is an important cause of climate change in the centennial to millennial time frame. Therefore, it must have contributed more to recent warming since the last Bray low ended at the end of the Little Ice Age than the IPCC suggests.
This post is in response to Willis Eschenbach’s posts entitled “Sharpening a Cyclical Shovel” and “The Cosmic Problem with Rays.” His posts were in response to our previous posts on natural climate cycles: Impact of the ~ 2400 yr solar cycle on climate and human societies, Periodicities in solar variability and climate change: A simple model, and Solar variability and the Earth’s climate.
Peter L. Ward found that volcanic sulfate was invariably abundantly present at the start of each Dansgaard-Oeschger (D-O) sudden warming event in the GIPS2 core, suggesting that Icelandic volcanism was somehow involved in these warmings. He postulated the plausible mechanism that HCl and HBr released by these non-aerosol-producing (hence non-cooling) eruptions resulted in stratospheric ozone depletion, which admitted greater UV-B irradiance of Earth’s surface, resulting in sudden global warming.
Given this scenario, the increased volcanic activity with D-O events, which have an approximate Bray-Hallstatt periodicity, could represent gravity-induced increased plate tectonic spreading on the mid-Atlantic ridge, on which Iceland is located. Increased volcanic activity during lunar orbital cycles has been noted, suggesting sensitivity of the delicately-balanced plate tectonic system to gravitational influences, and the recurrence of orbital patterns of the four great planets every 2318 years noted in the article could perhaps be the cause.
This gravitational effect of orbital rhythms on Earth’s plate tectonic system could also explain the Milankovitch rhythms’ correlation with glacial cycles simultaneously in both northern and southern hemispheres without needing to accommodate opposite insolation effects in opposite hemispheres, as well as the need for various ancillary climatic or oceanic forcing mechanisms to produce observed effects. It could also explain the presence of Milankovitch effects in non-glacial (and hence non-temperature-dependent) rhythmites in the Phanerozoic record.
The situation concerning the “Bray cycle” is not quite as open to serious doubt as some would make it out to be. While proxy data are always problematic indicators of climatic variations, the persistent appearance of the strongest peak at ~2300yrs in ALL the proxy periodograms of Figure 3 cannot be dismissed totally as statistically insignificant or otherwise useless. After all, the spectral power in each elemental analysis band of bona fide raw periodograms varies as chi-square with 2 degrees of freedom. Although the amateurish plotting of the periodograms versus period greatly distorts the spectral shape, it is clear that such strongly peaked structure conforms neither to white or red noise. Wide-band though they may be, there are definitely oscillations corresponding to the frequency of the theorized Bray cycle.
What is missing, of course, is a truly cogent demonstration of spectral coherence between those wide-band oscillations and the putative driving factors. That’s where cross-spectrum analysis–which is capable of revealing the transfer function between system excitation and response–becomes indispensable. Sadly, much of the hand-waving phenomenological debate here was conducted in blithe ignorance of the role of excitation bandwidth in complex system response and in the absence of spectral analysis techniques suitable for establishing–or disproving–potential causal links.
about DO
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/global-temperature-record-is-a-smoking-gun-of-collusion-and-fraud/#comment-587987
From somebody that doesn’t know much about DO
Seems one of my comments about DO has gone lost. Maybe it is still in your in-bin? H
Javier says


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/24/the-bray-hallstatt-cycle/#comment-2356846
Henry says
Let me work my way backward to answer some of your points.
According to various data sources CO2 went up globally from 0.03% to 0.04% (+0.01%) in the past 50 years which compares to a total ca. 0.5% H2O in the atmosphere. Assuming equal GH properties of CO2 and H2O, I started to doubt the AGW theory…. 0.01% difference in the atmosphere cannot possible cause a change of ++ 1K in 50 years???
Concerned to show that man made warming (AGW ) was correct and indeed happening, I thought that here [in Pretoria, South Africa] I could easily prove that. Namely the logic following from AGW theory is that more CO2 would trap heat on earth, hence we should find minimum temperature (T) rising pushing up the mean T. Here, in the winter months, we hardly have any rain but we have many people burning fossil fuels to keep warm at night. On any particular cold winter’s day that results in the town area being covered with a greyish layer of air, viewable on a high hill outside town in the early morning.
I figured that as the population increased over the past 40 years, the results of my analysis of the data [of a Pretoria weather station] must show minimum T rising, particularly in the winter months. Much to my surprise I found that the opposite was happening: minimum T here was falling, any month of the year….I first thought that somebody must have made a mistake: the extra CO2 was cooling the atmosphere, ‘not warming it. As a chemist, that made sense to me as I knew that whilst there were absorptions of CO2 in the area of the spectrum where earth emits, there are also the areas of absorption in the 1-2 um and the 4-5 um range where the sun emits.
Indeed, that CO2 is cooling the atmosphere, can be seen here: fig 6 bottom and 7
http://astro.berkeley.edu/~kalas/disksite/library/turnbull06a.pdf
Not convinced either way by my deliberations and discussions as on a number of websites, I first looked at a number of weather stations around me, to give me an indication of what was happening:
The results puzzled me even more. Somebody [God/Nature] was throwing a ball at me…..The speed of cooling followed a certain pattern, best described by a quadratic function.
I carefully looked at my earth globe and decided on a particular sampling procedure to find out what, if any, the global result would be. Here is my final result on that:
Hence, looking at my final Rsquare on that, on a random sample of weather stations, I figure that there is no AGW, at least not measurable. On the drop in maxima I have a good nat. log equation with Rsquare equal to 0.996.
Obviously, what is also evident from my results is that you can actually see almost the half cycle of the GB cycle, which is 43 years.It has now turned to become a hyperbole rather than the parabola [2014].
There are indications in the past where you can get a grand minimum (LIA?) or a grand maximum (MEWP?) and my theory now is that this is somehow connected to the DO events. It seems likely to me that somehow the amount of gravity is not present to make the polarity switch that is required and the sun than gets stuck in a continuous minimum or a maximum. Don’t worry: we made the switch in 2014, but it will still be getting cooler as we must still finish the second Hale cycle in the cooling mode. SC 25 will be more or less equal to SC 17.
The Hale cycle is real and it is exactly one quadrant of the GB cycle. e.g. you can pick it up in rainfall patterns. Rainfall moves like the pendulum of a clock as per the relevant Hale cycle.
I checked this here
and at two other places on earth.
It seems we are agreed on the DV , Bray and Eddy cycles but I have no idea exactly where we are in those particular cycles, in 2016. Do you?
It is not possible to determine any low of the long cycles with precision, however to the best of my knowledge the last lows have been:
Bray cycle: around 450 yr BP (1950). Around 1475 AD
Eddy cycle: around 300 yr BP. Around 1675 AD
de Vries cycle: around 50 yr BP. Around 1880 AD
We are half way the de Vries cycle, but this cycle will no longer affect solar activity for over a millenium, until around 3400 AD.
We are a little bit over 1/3 of the Eddy cycle that should peak around 2160 AD and bottom again around 2650 AD.
We are a little bit over 1/4 of he Bray cycle that should peak around 2700 AD and bottom again around 3900 AD.
Javier
Bray cycle: around 450 yr BP (1950)
say again?
ok. I get it now/ You mean 1950 is present?
🙂
Sparks December 3, 2016 at 6:42 am Edit
Let’s see. Uranus rotates around the sun once in roughly 84 years (30,687 days). Now, the magnetic field of Uranus is complicated, four poles. So the poles change roughly every 84/4 years, which is almost exactly 21 years (21.00411).
Now, let’s look at the sun’s magnetic polarity. It flips at the peak of the sunspot cycle, so we get two sunspot cycles for each polarity cycle. The average time between two peaks for all the data on record is 21.93 years. This means that they will go out of phase by .93 years every cycle. In other words, roughly every 11 cycles (247.6 years) they will be totally out of phase.
So no, Sparks, this isn’t a relationship, even a long-distance relationship. It’s two random cycles that are kinda close.
I get so tired of this handwaving about astronomical cycles that are “close”. Close doesn’t mean diddly-squat. This is a perfect example. Yes, it’s true that the period of Uranus divided by four is kinda like the length of the long-term average length between the sun’s magnetic polarity reversal, but SO FREAKIN’ WHAT!!! There are literally thousands of astronomical cycles of every length, you can find one to match anything. And yes, Sparks, some of them are kinda close to other ones … SO WHAT!
Finally, just what conceivable force from Uranus could be affecting the sun? It’s not the gravity, all the objects are in free-fall. The only possible force I can see is the tidal force, and from memory that’s enough to raise a tide at the sun’s surface with an amplitude on the order of tenths of a millimetre … with a period of 84 years … be still, my beating heart …
w.
Hi Wills, nice to hear from you again, sincerely it is 🙂
I’ve always appreciated your interest in this subject, it’s a fascinating subject can we agree on that? alrighty then let’s move on…
What gets to me every time when this issue of the sun and the planets are brought up for discussion is the misunderstandings and the so called poisoning of the well of the subject, and come on Willis lets be straight with one another about it, you do more than your fair share.
I agree with the logic that you have mentioned above, looking at it from your prospective, that’s fine, can you ever say with a straight face that I have ever made such a claim? okay let’s move on…
Uranus does not have 4 poles, that is a ridiculous thing to say and another misunderstanding, Uranus has a polarity [N] negative and [P] positive, does the sun have 4 poles? ridiculous, I’m throwing that one out.
On Uranus’s orbit your understanding is a little weak, also I DO NOT make orbital calculations of a planet by taking it’s sidereal/orbital parameters and try to make them fit solar activity because of similar coincidental cyclical timing, I’m throwing that one out as well, that’s actually quite insulting dude…
Uranus has the most unusual orbit, it’s poles rotate very near it’s axis plane facing the sun, it’s sidereal period is equal to the suns Hale cycle (sorry the Spark cycle) it never goes out of phase like you claim, but of course you decided to use the worse form of astronomical calculations to make a back handed remark, please dude, don’t be putting any satellites up any time soon.
Uranus is a very fascinating planet, in fact it was dubbed “Dumbo” simply because it didn’t conform to expectations of the scientists at the time, a bit ironic,
I’m not going to throw you in the deep end or bury you with vast amounts of calculations and I’ll do my best here to give you a reasonable understanding of my view, I’m sure you have a beautiful ex-fiancée looking for your attention.
The stage that I’m at with understanding planetary orbits and the methods I’ve developed over the years to understand if there is a Solar/planetary interaction, that is my question after all, The results from the observations I have, scream out that there is a Solar/planetary interaction, I can now show you a pattern of Solar Activity from any time spanning 8000 years, 4000 into the future and 4000 into the past, this is due to software limitations, the software I use was bought in 1993-94 I have calibrated it with the real world and it has helped me forecast comets coming into view of the Soho satellites with astounding accuracy, I understand the limitations of the software and I understand how to improve the accuracy…
I have no problem bundling up all the spreadsheets, software and sending it to you, talking you through the process of collecting orbital data and showing you the method for calculating these orbital patterns that match Solar activity for yourself and reproduce my results, it’s a cheat for you at my expense, but I’m fine with that…
Now, getting to what my view is on what’s going on, I’ve a lot of thoughts on this but I’ll break it down for clarity’s sake, one quick point: looking at the historical sunspot record, do you notice the dips in sun spot activity during the peak of the two main cycles of activity? there’s a dip in the 70’s (cycle 20) and in the 1800’s (cycles 5 and 6 I’m not convinced about cycle 5 just a note), studying my results and pouring over the data for months on end I realized the cause of this was a polarity break down taken place, what I mean by this is that the suns polarities speed up over time and reverse at such a fast pace that they cancel each other out, to a point where the activity does not manifest itself as sunspots, that is the key to what is going on, the suns polarities interact with each other on the solar plane, the equator of the sun as they reverse, the suns polarities when at rest at the geographical poles produce very little activity, when the polarities begin to wobble and continue to rotate and reverse over time, speeding up and slowing down, when they reverse too fast solar activity drops of as well as when they do not reverse, this is the interaction the sun has with the planets.
Yes there are relativistic and gravitational effects between the sun and the planets you have said as much yourself, but let me remind you about some very basic physics, a small magnet can move a much larger one, there are enormous polarities interacting within the solar system, continuously nudging and effecting the timing of bodies in their orbits, and I can show you proof of this pattern, I have on occasion, if this was untrue there should be no matching pattern between the planets and the Sun.
Where the solar dynamo is concerned, I’m going by observational evidence that the dynamo occurs from the inside out and is a result of the rotating and reversing poles and is NOT caused from the outside in because of the difference between the suns equator in relation to it’s poles, in which sunspots cause the magnetic poles to reverse, this is a scandalous interpretation in my view.
willis says
This is a perfect example. Yes, it’s true that the period of Uranus divided by four is kinda like the length of the long-term average length between the sun’s magnetic polarity reversal, but SO FREAKIN’ WHAT!!!
henry says
sparks never said that
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Henry, you’ll have to pardon me, but unless he’s appointed you as his spokesdude, I’ll wait for Sparks to tell us what he means …
w.
I’ve been told over and over that wherever you look in the proxy record you find the so-called “Bray Cycle”, which is supposed to be somewhere around 2,300 years or so. Here’s an example of the problems I run into with that (emphasis mine). First, about the “Bond Cycle” which is supposed to be 1340 years …
Note that the “Bond Cycle” is said by some to be the strongest of the cycles in paleoclimate … but it appears to be just a local short-term cycle if indeed there is a “cycle” at all.
Then we have this:
Note that this is all too typical. IF IT DOESN’T LAST IT IS NOT A TRUE CYCLE!!!
Note also that they are claiming to find a 1500-year cycle in 3500 years of data … bad scientists, no cookies.
Next, note that none of these “cycles” at 1200-1500 years or 1700-2000 years show up in the ∆14C data … who knew?
In any case, regardless of how fragile their cycle claims may be, they do NOT find any “Bray” cycles.
This is why I ask people to let me in on their secret, which is to let me know the reason they believe in a Bray cycle. Most of field is garbage, people claiming a cycle of length X in a dataset that is only 2X long, as in the study above.
To cut through the fog, I simply ask them “What is the one piece of best evidence for the Bray Cycle” ,,, and then watch Javier and Andy trample each other in their rush to the fire doors so they don’t have to answer … the question is just to hot to handle, I guess.
Yean, I know, I’ll probably go to hell for laughing at their contortions to avoid answering. Its a cruel sport … but then science is the cruel process of asking the hard questions and attempting to destroy the other man’s life work.
And apparently, cyclomania is the process of running away when the temperature rises and the hot questions start being asked … .
w.
Wow I actually agree with Willis… Well not entirely, “cyclomania” is a disgraceful slur and science is the question. the answers my friend maybe crewel…
sparks
thx for clearing up your identity crisis
I am pretty sure you must know of a good proxy for the Hale cycle [ average 22 years ]
can you help us out here?
Who me? haha
Let’s roll our sleeves up and get stuck in, awesome,,, Willis is correct! he has used various techniques and all of his ability to find these “cycles” in a vast amount of data, (seriously if Willis found something significant do you think even I could shut him up?) does this mean Willis is incompetent? of course not, there are no “cycles” in data such as the 10be. that’s not how the universe works, finding a cycle and making it fit does not float, the geological data records that are being used as interchangeable proxies to document earths past is fine, when one record, let’s say 10be agrees with with another proxy maybe tree rings or mud huts built in Iceland billions of years ago. who cares, the fact remains on a very primordial grounding, our observations are paramount and overrule statistical trickery,
Warm and cold periods exist in the past, there is no link in any data anywhere that suggests whatsoever that humans dunit, That ship has sailed,,,
Getting back to your comment Henry, Cycles do exist, very much so in nature, the sun has an “average 22 year” cycle, lets call this a ‘Spark Cycle’ and define it as; one complete revolution of the suns polarity in relation to it’s geographic poles, do you see the difference? the “spark Cycle” is an observation, Observational cycles are more important than statistical fantasy.
Thanks to this thought provoking Guest essay by Andy May and Javier, I’m currently working on a lengthy time consuming process to find out what the 1430’s solar situation was, was there a similar situation occurring around the time of the Maunder minimum? I’ve published timing graphs between the sun and planets on this site on occasion, let me be very clear about something, if the 1430’s are similar to the “Maunder minimum” in timing and I produce a pattern of solar cycles to match, it will be game over, some very prominent vocal comedians here will need to rethink aspects of their great work,
All the best 🙂
sparks says
the sun has an “average 22 year” cycle, lets call this a ‘Spark Cycle’ and define it as; one complete revolution of the suns polarity in relation to it’s geographic poles, do you see the difference? the “spark Cycle” is an observation, Observational cycles are more important than statistical fantasy
Henry says
your cycle was found a long time ago and it is called a Hale or Hale-Nicholson
one Hale cycle is 1/4 GB cycle
no spark there
but do enlighten me if you can prove that 22 year cycle from some actual measurement [ I am sure there must be]
the thing is that this cycle can vary quite a few years and I believe there are times when our SS gets stuck in a continued maximum or minimum. that could explain ur cold period in the 1430’s.
That also leads me to believe that the planets’ position in our SS is [some] cause to solar activity rather than being originally caused by the sun’s [initial] solar activity which was my original belief.
the consequence of this line of thinking is:
what if something happens to one of our planets?
we are dead?
https://arxiv.org/abs/1304.5191
cosmic rays seems to be one
but I cannot read the whole report