Realisation is growing amongst greens that the left has lost touch with the working class, particularly the white working class – but how do greens reach out to people whom they openly describe as “deplorable”?
Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong, a strong supporter of Al Gore and climate action, in my opinion pretty much sums up the cultural position of greens towards working class people, particularly white working class people.
Green Day blame rise of Trump on stupid white people
Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong has blamed the rise of Donald Trump on “uneducated white working-class people”.
The pop-punk band released their twelfth studio album ‘Revolution Radio’ in October, their first record since 2012. Speaking to NME in this week’s magazine, available nationwide now, Armstrong compared billionaire TV personality-turned-Republican candidate Trump to Hitler and bemoaned the current state of US politics.
Describing those backing Trump as “uneducated white working-class people”, Armstrong added: “That’s the problem right there. There’s this white nationalism that’s been brewing under the radar for a long time. But now [Trump’s] been able to cause people to lash out and blame minorities and it’s really confusing. I mean, blatant misogyny going on at the same time.”
The singer also admitted that some members of his family are going to vote for Trump in the upcoming US election. He said: “I’ve got family members from Oklahoma that are big Trump supporters. And there’s no clear answer on why they’re supporting him because he doesn’t even have any policies.”
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Read more: http://www.nme.com/news/music/green-day-trump-stupid-white-people-1822731#PDKRLJFVL8K41Xb4.99
At least some Democrat green supporters realise that the only way they’ll ever regain the White House is to reach out to these “stupid” working class people.
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During an interview on CBS News’ This Morning, former presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders weighs-in on “what went wrong” in the 2016 presidential election. “This is what I think what went wrong- is what Trump did, very effectively, is tap the angst and the anger and the hurt and the pain that millions of working class people are feeling,” says Sen. Bernie Sanders. “I think there needs to be a profound change in the way the democratic party does business. It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class. I am deeply humiliated that the democratic party cannot talk to the people from where I came from,”
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How do you pack activists who think working class people are uneducated deplorables, into the same tent as people who see the working class as the grassroots of a Democrat renaissance?
The answer apparently is lots of government handouts for green energy.
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May Boeve, the director of international climate group 350.org, which during the Obama presidency fought and won against the Keystone oil pipeline that is now back on the agenda, said building alliances with Trump’s heartland would be key.
“The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all,” she said. “Clean energy remains the greatest potential job creator in the 21st century, while climate change is still our greatest threat.”
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Its a bit difficult to arrange government handouts when most of your political allies have been booted out of office. But who knows, maybe business now embraces blowing profits and executive bonus cash on green boondoggles, even without government financial support.
… “Ten years ago, US business wasn’t on board about tackling climate change,” said Craig Bennett, CEO of Friends of the Earth in the UK. “This time round you have a situation where US businesses and businesses more globally [support action], so this time around the environmental movement does not feel like it is on its own. We’re much better placed to fight this.” …
Read more: Same link as above
Lets not underestimate the ability of Democrats and the Green Movement to pack people with incompatible views into the same tent – but this particular outreach and reconciliation excercise should be very entertaining to watch. Who knows, maybe Billie Joe could kickstart the process, by staging a “stupid white people” live music tour of America’s mining towns.
My take: People east of the Hudson River (& similar places) are clueless.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” [George Carlin]
Someone thinks there are 60.5 Million “uneducated white working-class people” — And those are the ones that voted.
Also,
“Advertisers are grappling with a stark realization: After spending years courting U.S. consumers with aspirational images of upscale urban living, they may have misjudged the yearnings of much of their audience.” .. in the WSJ, Nov. 21 (restricted access)
“upscale urban living” Remember Arugula-gate, when Obama asked about the price of arugula?”
Same-old talking points about uneducated, racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc, voting for Trump.
I think it was Mark Steyn who pointed out that there were over 600 counties that voted for Obama in both of the previous two elections…and about one-third of those instead went for Trump in this election. Why weren’t those uneducated whites voting against Obama?
cuz they did it twice already so they already have a yes.we.can t-shirt and obamaphone.
It must be that those uneducated, racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc’s, hate of women was much greater that their hatred dark skinned men; so much so that the trade off of getting the replacement phone wasn’t considered a positive.
Note the mention of nationalism, as if it is bad for anyone to be loyal to one’s country. The Nazis were The Nationalist Socialist Party, but the evil part of them was the radical imposition of socialism, made acceptable to Germans by cloaking it as a national pride issue.
Nationalism has been demonized, with the wrong notion that nationalism was the evil of the Nazis. It was nationalism that helped Britain stand up to the Nazis and American Nationalism helped us win WW II. TO have pride on ones country is not a bad thing and that is nationalism.
The other reason for them to denigrate and sneer at nationalism is that the UN and Agenda 21 need to destroy national sovereignty and that includes getting rid of or demonizing people who love their country.
It was the many different socialistic, economy-killing, personal rights attacks, and abrogations of the Constitution, combined with rampant lies and complete lack of transparency that lost the election for Clinton. Oh, and then there was her arrogance, two-faced public and private policies, rampant corruption, and her tolerating her sexual predator husband. A clearly dishonest person such as Hillary does not garner many female votes, even when she pulled the ovaries card, because women are good at seeing the evil in other women. She lost the election in myriad ways. Sure white working class men wanted a better economy, jobs, and fewer regulations—this does not make them bad in any way—it makes them adults. They knew Hillary was going to be more of the failed policies of our incumbent socialist only she would spend her time pilfering our treasury directly.
“Uneducated”….seems to be the word for pompous leftists attempting to pretend that their opinion has more value. But here’s a little suggestion…..when the polling companies are asking people whether they have a college education they should ask one more probing question. That question would be from which faculty did they receive their degree. There are so many utterly USELESS college degrees these days that to say one has a college degree does not necessarily indicate education as much as indoctrination.
For “uneducated” … read as “un-indoctrinated”.
Apparantly, unless you have multiple degrees in women’s studies, you aren’t educated.
I always lie to pollsters anyway. It’s a lot of fun.
I like Green Day, Billy and the gang.
Best keep them where they are. When Apple Inc. iTunes and Apple Music go bust, they will be back to playing in the queer bars off the main streets and on the street corners in SoHo for tips and giving trists in the alleys for tips, just like the old days come again.
Thanks guys and gals for all the comments , I am still smiling about the angst from the left. A thanks to JM, your comments make me laugh and happy every time!
Sybot! (a) — THANK YOU!! 🙂 Happy to know that.
He said: “I’ve got family members from Oklahoma that are big Trump supporters. And there’s no clear answer on why they’re supporting him because he doesn’t even have any policies.”
Hey Billy Joe Stupid. Here’s a comprehensive list of Trump’s policies….. Can you read?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/
A “policy” is something upon which the democrats and republicans have mutually agreed to have slightly differing views.
What you are referring to are “consensus” – as in the democrats and republicans have mutually agreed that they want to have nothing at all to do with them.
It’s right up there with the left’s definition of bi-partisanship.
Republicans and Democrats working together to pass the Democrat’s agenda.
Even Bernie Sanders is completely out of touch with the flyover states. I watched him give a speech about how all white men have white privilege, imagine how well that went over in coal country.
Sorry, as a long-time habitue of SF Bay Area punk/whatever clubs – never liked Green Day at all.
Yeah, I’m sure plenty of other bands I did like are equally loony, but these guys sucked from day one.
Say, Jem, how are the Holograms doing lately?
Trump drains the swamp
Government officials not allowed to lobby. Bad news for Saudi Arabia, bad news for climate lobby, good news for America.
wrong video
https://twitter.com/ShoebridgeC/status/800861148971036673
They aren’t so stupid. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama promised to improve the condition of the working people. They lied and implemented policies that really stuck it to the working people. In other words, they treated the working people like they were stupid.
The working people aren’t stupid. They do know that they have been betrayed. evidence
Wow read my comment above! It explains all of this!
or paste this into your browser without the quotes.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgrJ4C2mJ4w&list=WL&index=15”
It could be that this will destroy the Democratic Party.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
So the answer to being betrayed, is to elect a president who made big promises, but has been demonstrated to be a liar in over 71% of his statements?
How’s that going to work?
That “71%” is pure factoid, Merical. It is very similar to citing NASA GISS temperature “records” or Al Gore as an expert. PolitiFact or the WAPO are very partisan, and about as likely to rate the statements of any Republican “true” as I am able to reach escape velocity by putting my head between my legs and spitting.
Like most leftists, Merica has been convinced that a lie is anything a lefist disagrees with.
It might not. Both parties have stuck it to these folks in the past. They have no good reason to expect that anyone will look after their interests in the future. It’s pathetic really.
Thanks commieBob … first person with an answer instead of an insult. Good for you.
Yes, I personally think that Trump won because people didn’t hate him enough to vote against him, but certainly didn’t like Clinton to vote for her.
It’s a case of “none of the above”…
I just don’t see anything improving this way.
I’m at a loss to understand how the “elite” can consider themselves as such … they’re barely educated, lack experience, and exist in a “progressive” echo chamber. The “deplorables” have an enormous advantage, life based experience … some might be ignorant but the right education can fix that. On the other hand, the “elite” display a level of stupidity that is incurable, it cannot be educated out of them. No wonder they cry so easily, that level of STUPID must hurt like hell!
What the “elite” don’t understand is we use “elite” as a joke.
I usually use it as an insult.
Dude named his band after a garbage bin schedule.
Need to say more?
If he had named his band free expression , wide awake , or Explorer his belief in global warming and Al Gore would have been jettisoned like a used water bottle.
That’s how trivial his belief system is.
global warming has only one use, one facility that uses it.
The entertainment industry uses it a a shorthand gag to signal the audience that their actor portraying a “smarter that you” character (Sheldon on the big bang theory, the Muslim guy on Scorpion, the dude playing Sherlock on Elementary) is actually smarter than you.
It’s losing it’s effectiveness in this role, but not fast enough for public safety.
If there is some way for WUWT readers to attack this aspect of the AGW fraud in their private life, you would be doing the country a service.
Should the Democrat party ever learn anything about this defeat, which was bigger than the bare figures because of voter fraud, they might start by bringing to an end the abuse of those they claim to want to represent. While it is correct to assert that many working people have only a hazy understanding of some of the issues in today’s world, most can sense when they are being ridiculed and rightly they resent it because most are neither especially racist or misogynistic. The resentments bred by societal contempt may have helped Mr Trump gain the White House, if so it is fully justified, because for too long men have endured racial and misandric abuse, the time has come to push back in anyway they can.
Voter fraud???
Really?
“for too long men have endured racial and misandric abuse”
OK… answer me this.
If a recording had come out of Clinton in which she had said “I just gab them by the sac, it’s easy”… honestly, would you have immediately called for her dismissal?
Have you ever been stopped and frisked? Or shot at?
Hillary’s dismissal from what? Her marriage? No, she deserves the rapist. SHe is not doing anything else. Pretty much like most of the rest of her life.
I’m hoping that Trump can name a couple of SC judges who are smart enough to realize that there is nothing discriminatory about asking to see photo id before voting.
If that ever happens, 10% of the Democrat vote total disappears in the next election.
Yes, we must have voter ID laws in place. Identification is required for just about everything in life. You have to have an ID to check out a library book.
The only reason the Left doesn’t want voter ID is so they can continue to cheat in future elections. The Left has never been able to show any voter disenfranchisement connected to requiring voter ID.
Just a thing for Billy Joe to think about.
It might be just as well his demented, diseased, Russians-under-the beds, neocon candidate lost the election. It’s to do with a little old thing called WW3.
While Russia has just moved missiles into its own territory of Kaliningrad, a Baltic exclave bordering NATO-armed Poland and Lithuania, the EU is about to vote on its own army, to be up and running by next year. That’s right. The dodgy German Empire, currently mismanaged by drunks and mediocrities and owned by lobbyists, is about to go out on its own, as if NATO wasn’t feisty enough for them. (We’re not sure where hundreds of thousands of military age males will come from, but we can make informed guesses.)
Just add Hillary to all that, and it’s enough to make you want to jump off the Tallahatchie Bridge, Billy Joe.
Greens, climate scientists or renewable energy advocates haven’t described anyone as deplorable.
Some candidate in some recent election may have described her political opponents in such a manner.
‘greens’ and certainly not climate scientists, people accepting climate science as a reality, those involved in renewables are not part of a single political point of view, they are not all democrats or of the left.
Hey Griff I dunno about the STATES but here in Australia we had a green candidate in a federal election Clive Hamilton an earnest “climate change is our fault academic activist” who stated that if the people did not vote for candidates who favored strong action on climate change then maybe we would have to do away with democracy itself
In short the country should be run by concerned citizens who both care about and understand the need for strong climate action–for example people like him
Dont know what you call that but to me its arrogant green elitism
By the way he not only did not get elected but also lost his monetary deposit for not attracting enough votes
That’s democracy at work
Hamilton’s other argument was that to” fix ‘ the climate we should aim for zero economic growth
As a member of the Green party which favors a greatly increased refugee intake he and they need to be asked how will the refugees get jobs in Australia if there is to be no economic growth ?
Well, that’s the Green party in Australia.
I don’t support the idea that renewables (needed to fight climate change as well as a useful emerging technology) need involve zero economic growth. Rolling out a renewable economy will produce jobs and growth and save industry money.
My point is that this article is from a US Republican party viewpoint and falsely equates Clinton with all green/climate science/renewable groups.
but looking at it the other way, I still believe climate scepticism is a political movement, largely indistinguishable from US Republicanism and its political allies.
So you obviously stick your thumbs in your ears and mutter “La La La” every time Mike Mann or Naomi Oreskes begin yet another of their hate speeches…
Must have never seen the 350.org exploding children video either.
That’s Ok. I hear they’re building a bubble in Brooklyn just for you.
May Boeve, the director of international climate group 350.org …said:
She’s touting for her real boss: Californian hedge fund billionaire Tom Steyer, who, I imagine, had even more billions to gain in a futures bet on a “100% renewable energy economy” which is pure Sci-Fi. It’s a whole cake-of-comfort to me that her idiotic analysis will continue to lose them the working class vote.
Refs: Steyer / 350 / ClimateProgress / CAP / Podesta / Conspiracy
(1) Larry Tribe:
(2) (2) Roger Pielke Jr: Wikileaks and me
Not sure how Sanders can state he comes from the working class, as he has never been part of it. He never had a job until he was 40 (40!!). Even then it was an elected position. He has never received a paycheck that was not as a result of being a public, elected official.
Five Pinocchios for Sanders.
“Its a bit difficult to arrange government handouts when most of your political allies have been booted out of office.”
With the US under Trump and UK out of the eco-fascist EU, public funding for “Greens” will massively dry up. As a result, the endless nonsense publicity for “green” will dry up and with the wheels coming off the green bandwagon, commercial companies will no longer see any benefit jumping on the clapped out bandwagon and greenwashing their products.
It will be the end of the ecocene.
That’s not the message the UK govt are sending out…
Boris Johnson today indicated the UK govt would be seeking to convince Trump climate change was important…
“I really must say to the right honourable lady that I believe she is being premature in her hostile judgments of the administration-elect.
“And any such premature verdict, I believe, could be damaging to the interests of this country. It is important for us in this country to use our influence, which is very considerable, to help the United States to see its responsibilities, as I’m sure they will.”
He added: “I think it is vital that we are as positive as we can possibly be about the new administration-elect. And, as I have said before, I believe the UK-US relationship is of vital importance.
“I think that president-elect Trump is a deal maker. And when it comes to climate change, this is something that the UK has led on globally, we have had outstanding success and, yes – I’m very open with the House – it is a message that we are taking to the administration, we believe it to be important, we believe it be in the interests of the United States and of the world.”
..Hey Griff, go ahead and hold your breath while waiting for Trump to give a crap …IMHO…
In Ontario, Canada, the premier (governor) went on a renewable spending spree and now power bills have tripled and she is apologizing for creating a situation where people must choose between buying food and turning on the lights. Obviously, activists have taken control and the working class, who are the demographic overwhelmingly affected by this predicament, have been abandoned. And yet they still believe this type of stuff:
“The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all.”
I mean, if you’re a conservative I guess you might as well laugh all the way to the bank, while hoping the left doesn’t abandon this suicidal position.
Perhaps they have a ‘cunning plan’ to compare Trump with someone other than Mr Hilter in 2020. We’ll see how well “literally Stalin” out for them. 🙂
WOW! We (white working class) have finally overcome! Now we are the sought after minority! And minority we are considering almost 95 million not working.
Maybe we can link arms with Jesse Jackson and sing “We Shall Overcome”!!!
Americans have an obsession to race. For example, Democrats seem to think…
There are two kinds of poor people.
1) Black people with low income
2) Uneducated deplorable white trash
There are two kinds of people
1) White trash racists
2) People who know white trash are racists
“”Describing those backing Trump as “uneducated white working-class people”, Armstrong added:”
Hypocritical of him since he was a high school drop out.