Green Incoherence: Reaching Out to the Deplorables

GROUP OF MINERS WAITING TO GO TO WORK ON THE 4 P.M. TO MIDNIGHT SHIFT AT THE VIRGINIA-POCAHONTAS COAL COMPANY MINE

GROUP OF MINERS WAITING TO GO TO WORK ON THE 4 P.M. TO MIDNIGHT SHIFT AT THE VIRGINIA-POCAHONTAS COAL COMPANY MINE. By Corn, Jack, 1929-, Photographer (NARA record: 8464440) (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Realisation is growing amongst greens that the left has lost touch with the working class, particularly the white working class – but how do greens reach out to people whom they openly describe as “deplorable”?

Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong, a strong supporter of Al Gore and climate action, in my opinion pretty much sums up the cultural position of greens towards working class people, particularly white working class people.

Green Day blame rise of Trump on stupid white people

Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong has blamed the rise of Donald Trump on “uneducated white working-class people”.

The pop-punk band released their twelfth studio album ‘Revolution Radio’ in October, their first record since 2012. Speaking to NME in this week’s magazine, available nationwide now, Armstrong compared billionaire TV personality-turned-Republican candidate Trump to Hitler and bemoaned the current state of US politics.

Describing those backing Trump as “uneducated white working-class people”, Armstrong added: “That’s the problem right there. There’s this white nationalism that’s been brewing under the radar for a long time. But now [Trump’s] been able to cause people to lash out and blame minorities and it’s really confusing. I mean, blatant misogyny going on at the same time.”

The singer also admitted that some members of his family are going to vote for Trump in the upcoming US election. He said: “I’ve got family members from Oklahoma that are big Trump supporters. And there’s no clear answer on why they’re supporting him because he doesn’t even have any policies.”

Read more: http://www.nme.com/news/music/green-day-trump-stupid-white-people-1822731#PDKRLJFVL8K41Xb4.99

At least some Democrat green supporters realise that the only way they’ll ever regain the White House is to reach out to these “stupid” working class people.

During an interview on CBS News’ This Morning, former presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders weighs-in on “what went wrong” in the 2016 presidential election. “This is what I think what went wrong- is what Trump did, very effectively, is tap the angst and the anger and the hurt and the pain that millions of working class people are feeling,” says Sen. Bernie Sanders. “I think there needs to be a profound change in the way the democratic party does business. It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class. I am deeply humiliated that the democratic party cannot talk to the people from where I came from,”

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/11/14/democratic-party-needs-profound-change-s?videoId=370459164&videoChannel=1003

How do you pack activists who think working class people are uneducated deplorables, into the same tent as people who see the working class as the grassroots of a Democrat renaissance?

The answer apparently is lots of government handouts for green energy.

May Boeve, the director of international climate group 350.org, which during the Obama presidency fought and won against the Keystone oil pipeline that is now back on the agenda, said building alliances with Trump’s heartland would be key.

“The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all,” she said. “Clean energy remains the greatest potential job creator in the 21st century, while climate change is still our greatest threat.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/18/global-green-movement-prepares-to-fight-trump-on-climate-change

Its a bit difficult to arrange government handouts when most of your political allies have been booted out of office. But who knows, maybe business now embraces blowing profits and executive bonus cash on green boondoggles, even without government financial support.

… “Ten years ago, US business wasn’t on board about tackling climate change,” said Craig Bennett, CEO of Friends of the Earth in the UK. “This time round you have a situation where US businesses and businesses more globally [support action], so this time around the environmental movement does not feel like it is on its own. We’re much better placed to fight this.” …

Read more: Same link as above

Lets not underestimate the ability of Democrats and the Green Movement to pack people with incompatible views into the same tent – but this particular outreach and reconciliation excercise should be very entertaining to watch. Who knows, maybe Billie Joe could kickstart the process, by staging a “stupid white people” live music tour of America’s mining towns.

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248 thoughts on “Green Incoherence: Reaching Out to the Deplorables

  1. The answer is ALWAYS government handouts.

    Obama in trying to destroy the coal industry actively promoted transitioning the coal miners to food stamps. Nancy Pelosi taught us that taking the government dime helped the economy – got money out there circulating – and there was no shame in it.

    Lefties are constantly telling me that more and more “poor while trash” is the face of government welfare.

    I guess that didn’t work.

    Ah, well. Seeing it’s the Democrats they’ll likely double-down, elect Keith Ellison head of the DNC and blame EVER-THANG! on stoopid, ignernt Whitey.

    • Poor white trash actually voted for Crimton. Sub $30k was as usual overwhelmingly Democrat. Trump666 made gains in the people with jobs but not elite jobs.

      • ….. Yeah, but going to a college or University doesn’t necessarily mean and educated mind is accomplished…. Propaganda and activism isn’t really an education.

        After all, we have this weedy looking “Greenday” guy who sings songs thinking he’s more “educated” than guys that fabricate harvesters and farm equipment.

        Just because he has a political opinion six words long, set to music and endlessly repeated…. He thinks he’s a fukin’ philosopher.

        Yup, yup, yup….

    • I lived through the Spotted Owl Debacle on the southern Oregon coast. $19,000,000 grant money
      to a group called Egret publications to build “Eco Tourism” on the south coast. It was to be a cable car ride through “old growth ecosystems” and they were to help make the displaced loggers transition to food stamps and re-education..
      NONE of that happened.. and the $19 mil? I dunno?
      BTW the photo at the top of the article? I’m likely related at least two of those men..

      • I’d surmise the $19 million disappeared into the pockets of various politicians, bureaucracts, and lawyers. As green graft sums are wont to do.

      • Billy Joel replies to Billy Joe:

        “Honesty is hardly ever heard,
        and mostly what I need from you {Billy Joe, et al.}.”

        (youtube)

      • SMC. “Good riddance” — lol, good one, but, how about no more promotion of that jerk? Negative publicity is publicity. I HOPE NO ONE CLICKS ON JERK JOE’S VIDEOS!

      • Janice, I don’t care about their politics (Billy Joel’s or Billie Joe Armstrong’s). They’re entertainers, nothing more (and yes, Billie Joe seems to be a jerk (but what do I know, never met him, not likely I’ll ever meet him)). Besides, I was having fun with the music video skirmish. :))

      • lol, okay, okay, SMC. My guess is you are a man (not concluding that). Men can, on average much more readily be pragmatic, while women are likely to be value-driven. The key for both is, of course, to temper logic with intelligent emotion and vice-versa. I can NOT be neutral about a JERK like Billy Joe !!!! Happy for you that you can be.

        Guess…… we’d better….

        “{ }Call the Whole Thing Off”

        (youtube)

        #(:))

      • Aaaaa! I like Metallica, but that was too scary for me!

        Okay. S. M. C.. Your cute little crack below made me think of pasta and that reminded me of this sweet song and this is how I am signing off TO GET THAT SCARY MUSIC OUT OF MY MIND.

        “Bella Notte”

        (youtube)

        Dedicated to my dearest.

        And, to you, SMC, sweet dreams of spaghetti (or whatever). :)

        Thanks for the fun.

        Janice

      • Oh, for PETE’S sake! ANOTHER jerk! (the person who won’t let that video play anywhere but on youtube)

        Here: “Bella Notte” (I — hope!!!)

        (youtube)

        #(:))

      • He does sound like a real jerk, but I still like those songs.
        Which just goes to show, people who are good entertainers or artists or whatever have never given anyone good reason to think their opinions on anything have any particular value.
        Hell, even professional opinionaters do not seem to have any propensity to have anything to say that is worth listening to.

  2. What became impossible to conceal was the contempt of the “intelligensia” for the peons, excuse me, the “working class”. The other problem is that the actual depth of involvement by the greens was mostly at the level of fashion or custom, not any real understanding. It was cool to be green, as all the people they were trying to suck up to were purported greens, and virtue signaling was no real inconvenience to themselves. Silly ass rich people can be destructive, like former fashions for certain bird plumes as hat decorations.
    Only a rather small minority of the greens are really committed to their holy cause, and the politics is dealing with the hangers-on.

    • Tom, your “intelligensia” keeps on making statements like “The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all,” she said.

      When we know 100% renewable energy economy that works for NONE.

      But I have moved on from being a Deplorable. Now I’m “Negative, dark, divisive and dangerous“. Pretty cool huh?
      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/trump_voters_stand_by_for_incoming.html

      I am sick and tired of the negative, dark, divisive, dangerous vision and behavior of people who support Donald Trump,” Mrs. Clinton fumed.

      With that kind of recommendation, I will soon be a ‘True Romance’ cover model. That and if I can just covert 25 lbs of fat to muscle.

  3. I wonder how he defines “uneducated.” I mean, since he obviously lacks an education himself.
    I suppose he considers those Ivy League students who needed to play with crayons and
    puppies after Trump’s win would be his idea of educated folks. We don’t need (or want) such educated folks.

    • hmmm I guess the song
      ” I wanna be american idiot”
      was closer to home than I figured?
      wont be supporting them any more, not that i really did prior;-)

  4. Billie Joe Armstrong is a high school drop out, yet presumes to call blue collar workers uneducated.

    Good luck winning back the votes of factory, oil rig and construction workers, loggers and especially coal miners, Loony Leftie coastal Dumpocraps. Not gonna happen. For years they’ve been tuning out their union bosses, who schmooze with limousine liberals in Hollywood and Manhattan, to vote their real interests. This year, they totally ignored them.

    • I have two engineering degrees and a bit more…

      I have been responsible for energy projects worth billions of dollars and have initiated several significant improvements that made these projects much more successful.

      The best managers I know have great respect for their people; they know their names and the names of their families, listen carefully to their opinions, are loyal to them and get strong loyalty in return.

      I have much greater respect for the average working man than I do for ivory tower academics, especially the lefties, who seem to have two common characteristics – they have negative integrity and no common sense.

      Regards, Allan

      • The man makes the credential. The credential does not make the man. Warming a seat in a college or university does not mean you earned an education. Working your backside (or your brain) off doesn’t mean that you didn’t earn an education. Education is personal. Schooling, though, is not necessarily the same thing as education. Besides, the books never cover everything. Earning a living is the best education. You can’t beat the school of hard knocks.

    • Another example of the liberal superiority complex. Everyone else is wrong, uneducated, unwashed, deplorable even

      • And since those being rained on were uneducated, the rainers thought that they could get away with it.
        (Although we’ve got 4 years now to see if it starts raining again.)
        [and there are those like Griff that like the rain so much they can’t understand why the rest of us don’t like it]

    • “Lie to them.”

      This website is funny, in a sad way.
      I read a lot of contempt for the “lefties” and the “greenies”, suffused with complaints about how the same lefties and greenies have “contempt” for the middle/working class. Pot… meet kettle…

      Now, considering how it’s been demonstrated that on average, your president elect’s public statements have been complete fabrications containing not an once of truth a whopping 71% of the time, I would argue that “lie to them” is how you gather support from the right… not the left.

      Further more, I am very confused with the fact that this here website used to be a science based website, I know I know, over the past few years it’s really become a political and propaganda site, but on occasion it still contains actual science. That being said, I am very surprised at the amount of readers a “science based” site like this contains, that have no issue with their political class getting stuffed with bible thumping, evolution denialists.

      I mean… sure, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but how can one be interested in climate science going over hundreds of thousands of years, while at the same time supporting people who want school children to be taught that the earth is 7000 years old… I don’t get it.

      Tit for tat, hate for hate, contempt for contempt, an eye for an eye… you’ve all gone blind.

      • Speaking of lying, here comes another leftist to demonstrate how it is done.
        No it has not been demonstrated that Trump lies 71% of the time.

        The problem with leftists is that they actually believe that the lies they tell each other are the truth.

        Disagreeing with a socialist is not evidence that you are lying.

      • “I mean… sure, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but how can one be interested in climate science going over hundreds of thousands of years, while at the same time supporting people who want school children to be taught that the earth is 7000 years old… I don’t get it.”

        I haven’t been reading this website for the full ten years it has been operating, but in the time I have been reading I have never heard even one person claim that the Earth is 7,000 years old. I’m wondering where you got this notion.

        Actually, I do understand where you are coming from: You are putting forth an unsubstantiated talking point meant to imply that people who read this website are not very science literate.

        How dumb is your talking point anyway? Answer: Pretty darn dumb. You probably thought it was pretty clever, I’ll bet.

        Feel free to voice your Leftie opinions here. We will be happy to straighten you out.

      • Well, Merica, if you had traveled the 57 states like your outgoing President has, you would know that there’s plenty of science denial on the Left. GMOs? Your cocktail swilling friends would happily see millions of children go blind and die from vitamin A deficiency if it meant that all of Gaia’s creatures would remain pure and untouched by the evil patriarchy. Nuclear (sorry, Nukular) Power? They are so concerned about global warming that they almost universally oppose any new nuclear (sorry, nukular) plant builds and oppose extending perfectly safe and dependable existing leases. It’s much better to make energy more expensive to help weed out the undesirables. How about the economics (or lack thereof) of minimum wages? I mean, it’s perfectly reasonable to believe that human labor is the one good that will defy the supply/demand curve. It says so right in this here model…

        Be my guest in ridiculing all those bitter clingers with their bibles and their guns (Help me out here, who said that? I’m pretty sure he was the great uniter who forsake hate and division to lead by example. Right?) who believe that the world is 6000 years old and wrap yourself in your smug certainty that such beliefs will impoverish and cause the deaths of, um, no one. But thankfully the greens and the Left will more than make up for that. Who needs to take an eye when you can eliminate entire classes of human beings?

        Careful how tight you clutch those pearls. I hear the fake ones can be quite sharp when they crack.

      • In reply to MERICA! –

        I was taught TOLERANCE and the Golden Rule as a child. Tolerance of differing views is why this site is so successful whether the discussion goes from pure science to political science and everything in between. Recently, science has become very politicized. It becomes difficult to view science without looking at the politics behind it.

        You could argue that science has always been politicized – think inquisitions, space race, colonization – many endeavours have been science enabled and politically motivated. Sometimes it is hard to draw the line between science and politics.

        My career in consulting engineering put me firmly in the ground between science and politics so tolerating the vagaries of both was part of the job. Give me a problem, I’ll find you at least three answers. Then you pick the one that suits you, knowing the benefit and risk of each solution and your political bent.

      • Merica,

        Perhaps it escaped your notice that a GOP judge, nominated by a GOP administration, ruled that public school kids can’t be taught creationism as science.

        Also, speaking of blatant, shameless, bald-faced lying, please remind me who said, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan; if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”? And, who claimed that no classified documents were on her illegal private server? Who claimed to have helped Haitian quake victims, while actually enriching herself?

      • The blanket conceit that critics of the Darwinian paradigm, questioners of the orthodox geological timeline, and seekers of Christian evidences are all “anti-science” is naive, tired, and wrong. Those who spout it are only guilty of the same dogmatic thinking of which they accuse those groups.

  5. Clinton’s term, neither left nor Green. More confected nonsense from Eric “Click-bait” Worrell.

    • Green = left.
      Clinton = left’s chosen representative.
      Clinton = “deplorable.”

      Logical conclusion: Green = “deplorable.”

      Good job, as usual. Eric.

      • Note for the ill-informed: “Green” in current useage is “soft green,” i.e., radical, usually only ephemerally based in science, environmentalism. Hard green in current useage is “conservationism.” Soft greens are almost exclusively “left.”

    • tony mcleod November 21, 2016 at 6:33 pm
      “Clinton’s term, neither left nor Green. More confected nonsense from Eric “Click-bait” Worrell.”
      Exactly. Worrell often twists things. Clinton used the word then apologised. So one very centre person (not let or right) used it realised the mistake.
      What does Trump do? His attempt to reach out to woman was to stretch his hand just far enough to grab their genitals.

      • @Simon

        November 21, 2016 at 10:45 pm : Yeah, just suck it up Simon. I see you have found your level again, trollbot.

      • Brett Keane
        “My level” ….mmm I will take that as a compliment if you mean I didn’t lower my “level” to stoop to vote for the groping predator?

      • Richard,

        When you get a rapist off through technicality/lies and then after the fact you brag/laugh(cackle) about how you got away with it, are you still protected by the “everyone deserves the best defense” and the “judge appointed her” standard?

        Or you a nasty self serving bitch?

      • Richard Baguley November 22, 2016 at 10:56 am wrote:

        “MarkW, when a judge appoints you [Hillary Clinton] to a case, you cannot refuse.”

        Richard, I think the rapist MarkW was referring to as being defended by Hillary Clinton, was Bill Clinton, not the criminal case you are referring to.

      • Hillary Clinton is herself an accessory to her husband’s rapes, and has also been accused of raping women herself.

      • DonM writes: “brag/laugh(cackle)”….which is a debatable characterization.

        TA Bill was never convicted of rape, so why call him one?

        PS DonM, obtaining a plea deal for a client is not “getting them off”

      • To include girls, as she and Bill were both part of Epstein’s international pedophile ring, a human trafficking gang further elucidated by Weiner’s laptop.

      • Richard Baguley
        November 22, 2016 at 12:28 pm

        Al Capone was never convicted of murder, yet he was indubitably a murderer.

      • Chimp, see my response to TA above with regard to “her husband’s rapes”

        Also Chimp, your statement: “and has also been accused of raping women herself” is really very very funny.

      • “and has also been accused of raping women herself” is really very very funny.

        Yes, I guess it would be funny to someone who laughs at getting a child rapist off on a technicality.

        However, there are accusations out there by people that claim she is. You might say it is as credible as Trump’s lies.

      • It’s not funny to the women and girls who have made the accusations.

        Do you honestly believe that Bill Clinton is not a rapist? You don’t believe the women who independently stated that his MO is to bite their lips?

        The accusers are in his and her case infinitely more credible than the odious Clintons.

      • Richard, I’ll let others deal with Hillary’s misdeeds on that case. But I was referring to her husband.

      • Funny how the left pulls out every dodge in the book to deal with their own sides crimes.
        Bill was never convicted of rape, so we can’t call him one.
        On the other hand when it comes to Republicans, even the appearance of impropriety is sufficient to destroy careers. No actual convictions necessary.

      • “TA Bill was never convicted of rape, so why call him one?”

        Because I think he is. Ever hear of Juanita Broaddrick? Ever hear her describe how Bill raped her? “Put some ice on that” Bill told her after he was finished. I believe her. I also think Bill Cosby is a rapist. He hasn’t been convicted, either. Yet.

    • Typical Liberal Left, unable to fathom that big government and support for Climate Change could possibly be Left or Green. Because not supporting either is “far right”. You simply have no idea where the centre is, and frankly look as out of touch as Clinton did.

      • In the view of most college campuses, there are communists, who are the centrists.
        There are the socialists who are conservative, and everyone one else, who inhabit the far, to fringe right positions.

    • Wow, unless one is full blown communist, you aren’t leftist.
      As to Green, she said she is. Most of here policies are.
      I guess that this is another example that unless she’s pure, far left green, then she is neither.

  6. Giving primarily rich millionaires money to buy expensive sports cars and money to buy solar panels for their roofs is not progressive. Sounds regressive, using taxes from the poor rate payers on the grid to subsidize rich people. A progressive policy would GIVE solar panels to provide for poor people, tens of thousands that don’t have any electricity. A progressive policy would make buses and cabs and public transport electric and efficient. Progressive would use the public sector to push technology and lower prices for everyone, not just temporary subsidies for rich, early adopters. The dumb white people will support progressive policies, when they become progressive and are not self-serving rich people policies.

    • Therein lies your problem.
      Government is incapable of pushing technology, and the only way government ever makes something cheaper is by taxing other people to pay for it for you.

  7. What do we mean by poverty? Not what Dickens or Blake or Mayhew meant. Today, no one seriously expects to go hungry in England or to live without running water or medical care or even TV. Poverty has been redefined in industrial countries, so that anyone at the lower end of the income distribution is poor ex officio, as it were—poor by virtue of having less than the rich. And of course by this logic, the only way of eliminating poverty is by an egalitarian redistribution of wealth—even if the society as a whole were to become poorer as a result.

    Yet nothing I saw—neither the poverty nor the overt oppression—ever had the same devastating effect on the human personality as the undiscriminating welfare state. I never saw the loss of dignity, the self-centeredness, the spiritual and emotional vacuity, or the sheer ignorance of how to live, that I see daily in England. In a kind of pincer movement, therefore, I and the doctors from India and the Philippines have come to the same terrible conclusion: that the worst poverty is in England—and it is not material poverty but poverty of soul.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/what-poverty-11845.html

  8. “The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all,” she said.

    Large wind/solar projects are the death knell to any economy as they: makes all goods more expensive and less competitive, lower living standards, destroy jobs, put more people on welfare, decrease GDP, increase trade deficits, increase the national debt, devalue the US$, decrease tax revenue, force the Fed to print more money, and on and on— economic Armageddon…

    The ONLY ways to actually improve the US economy are to: repeal Obamacare, end the Federal Reserve, trash the 76,000-page tax code and all income/withholding/corporate taxes, and replace with just ONE federal 15% sales tax, slash government spending 50%, cut the $2 trillion/yr regulation compliance costs by 70%, balance the budget, build THE WALL, return to a gold standard, end the CAGW ho-x, and allow free-floating interest rates.

    If all the above were implemented, “we’d get tired of winning”.

    Trump plans to do just two of the above…

    A start, but it’s better than nothing…

    • Further weaken the tyrannical federal regime by selling or handing over to the states all the land administered as a DC colony by the central government in Western states, to include both the criminal conspiracies otherwise known as BLM and USFS.

      Trump also opposes that needed reform.

      Make vote fraud a capital crime.

      Amend the constitution to award Electoral College votes on the NE and ME model, with one per congressional district and two for the statewide winner.

      • “Trump also opposes that needed [BLM] reform.”

        I think more information would be helpful there Chimp! We have some encouraging appointments and there has not yet been time to discuss the latest National Monuments federal land grab or Obama’s earlier land grab programs. This is a very hot and under reported issue. The local people and the Indian Tribes are passionately opposed to this. The anti-Monument signs are everywhere. So good on you for bringing it up.

        I can say that Donald J Trump did campaign in California for the mismanagement of water there to end.

        Somewhat related, there are plenty of toll road attempts that local people are rejecting as well. We keep saying “No, no, how about no,” and the extremely expensive and unnecessary toll bridge and public train keeps coming back to us in a new package.

      • About 28% of the entire US land area (2.27 billion acres) is owned by the federal government, or about 640 million acres.

        Apart from established National Parks, military bases, land occupied by government buildings, etc., almost all federally-owned land should be sold to the private sector.

      • Zeke,

        Maybe he can be persuaded differently, but campaigning in NV, Trump specifically opposed turning federal land in the West over to the states or selling it.

        But in any case, he’s preferable on this issue to Clinton, who would have supported continued land grabs by greedy bureaucrats.

    • “A start, but it’s better than nothing…”

      Yes, and it’s a heck of a lot better than what we would have gotten with ole Hillary. It’s a new day.

  9. Green Day was edgy back in the 90’s, but now they’re just a group of 40-somethings wondering how to deal with their thinning hair and spare tires. And of course how to keep their names in the press.

  10. The fundamental problem for the left is that their policies do not make any sense. We all saw Clnton’s famous rant:

    homophobic, transphobic, a basket of deplorables

    People with these attitudes are unacceptable, yet there is never any mention of cisphobic or lumophobic. That is the problem. It is illuminating to see what is being condemned here.

    CIS and TRANS:
    These terms refer to geometric isomers in organic chemistry, where a cis isomer has two functional groups on the same side of the molecule. Conversely, the trans isomer has the two functional groups on opposite sides of the molecule. So according to the left, someone who has a hatred of functional groups on opposite sides is deplorable, while someone who is cisphobic gets a free pass. Does not make sense.

    HOMO and LUMO:
    To understand this, we need to review Molecular Orbital Theory and the electron transitions which give rise to molecular spectroscopy.
    HOMO: Highest Occupied Molecular Orbital
    LUMO: Lowest Unoccupied Molecular Orbital
    HOMO/LUMO: The transition of an electron from the highest energy occupied orbital to the lowest energy unoccupied orbital. This is the lowest energy transition, and so is the “default”.

    Again, we see the problem. Someone who is fearful of highest occupied orbitals is deplorable, while someone who is afraid of lowest unoccupied orbitals is, again, given a free pass. And again, this does not make any sense.

    Or maybe the problem is that I have been called Racist and Sexist once too many times in this past election cycle.

    • APPLAUSE! Where do we sign up for your class, Professor Tony! That was cool!

      Next lecture: “Organic” — Don’t Get Me Started

      lololol

      • cisphobic and transphobic:
        I would have to counsel any student that has these phobias to try to stay clear of Organic, at least after requirements are completed.

        homophobic and lumophobic:
        If the very thought of Molecular Orbital Theory leaves you virtually paralyzed with fear and terror, that is perfectly understandable. Unfortunately, it is required. No escape for you.

        Cheers!

    • In a democratic country, we have a right to speak about difficult issues like race and male-female relations without being called a racist or a sexist – particularly when those terms are being used to prevent discussion by those with an agenda of hate.

      Racism is ascribing to people attributes based solely on their race. So, if you say “white men are racists”, you are in fact being both a racist and a sexist. Indeed, anyone who uses race in any way for a political end – is a racist, whether or not they deem it morally “good”.

      Similar arguments apply to sexist (and remember, with men dying earlier on average than women – we never hear any of those feminists asking to “equalise the age of death”).

      So, next time I suggest if someone calls you a racist, point out to them that by falsely attributing your views to race – it is they who are the racist.

    • Trump chose to appoint to office, and as his VP, people who are factually known to have started, directly support or be supported by White Nationalists, the KKK, religious extremists, anti gay lgbt, whatever you want to call them organizations.

      The future vice President of the United States believes that electro-shocks can cure gay.
      White nationalists at Trump rallies are regularly seen using the Nazi salute.
      You president elect himself was recorded, on multiple occasions, disparaging women, treating them as objects and boasting about sexually assaulting them.

      So the statements of “homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic” are actually FACTUAL STATEMENTS.

      As for the “deplorables” part, I agree that it’s rather an opinion and not a statement of fact and as such is no more or less accurate than anyone’s opinion about it’s veracity. I myself believe that it’s nowhere near a potent enough adjective to describe some of those people.

      • Your ignorant fact free spew against Trump is sort of a pathetically funny demonstration of how self hypnosis can undermine one’s capacity for rational thought.

  11. They Insult You.
    They Hold Your Values and Aspirations In Contempt.
    They Despise You. Your Family. Your Community.
    And Then They Expect You To Vote For Them.

    Green Day had a hit in 2004 with the song ‘American Idiot’. Surprised that The Democrats did not use it as their election theme song. Maybe next election.
    And The Left Green Liberal Axis Position Themselves As The Educated, Intelligent Ones!

  12. My understanding is right wing voters tend to be better educated.
    I live in an Australian town that is full of what Clinton calls Deplorables. It is a blue collar town. The Unions and Greens openly advocate the closure of industry – it is energy intensive. I can say the skilled workers affected are in high tech industry, on six figure salaries, and chose to fore go University education to get the better paid jobs. They are multiracial, there are homosexuals, and so on.
    Normally the district votes in right of center candidates. The Left just don’t represent workers anymore.

    • I don’t know how it turned out this election, but in past elections voters were increasingly Republican as you went from high school, to college, to masters degrees. It wasn’t until you started into the doctorates that voters started to swinging to the Democrats.
      Breaking down the doctorates, by far the greatest number of Democrat voters were in the soft disciplines. History, art, women’s studies, etc.

      • You have mischaracterized “soft disciplines.” There is nothing “soft” about history. As a music historian, I worked with historical and musical data in various analytical ways and dealt with manuscript sources from the 14th and 15th centuries and printed sources thereafter, to say nothing of music theory and the history of instruments. Now, things like women’s studies, various ethnic studies, and all the politically-correct “studies” are, indeed, mostly data-free (though much good research has already been done in, e.g., African-American literature, music, and art) and could be called “soft” disciplines. Incidentally, in spite of my music Ph.D., I am a solid, conservative Republican and voted for Mr. Trump with satisfaction and joy in my heart. So there!

  13. but how do greens reach out to people whom they openly describe as “deplorable”?

    If I knew, I would be strongly disinclined to help them by saying anything in public. Rather I’ll offer this advice…

    If the Greens wish to attract more white blue collar men and women then all ya have to do is outlaw guns, beer, steak, and Walmart. I suggest you get on that right away. … good luck with that.

  14. Well of course more businesses are onboard than ten years ago. They’re getting a primo spot at the govt feeding trough.

  15. There is yet another name out there now for liberals being issued by themselves. It’s called Contemporary Democrats. That is opposed to working class people, rank and file Democrats, and Yellow Dog Democrats. Or better yet, it’s the Party of Media and Branding Manipulators.

  16. The punk ethos, as far as I know, is anti-elite, anti-establishment. What the hell happened? Hahahahaha

  17. Yet nothing I saw—neither the poverty nor the overt oppression—ever had the same devastating effect on the human personality as the undiscriminating welfare state. I never saw the loss of dignity, the self-centeredness, the spiritual and emotional vacuity, or the sheer ignorance of how to live, that I see daily in England. In a kind of pincer movement, therefore, I and the doctors from India and the Philippines have come to the same terrible conclusion: that the worst poverty is in England—and it is not material poverty but poverty of soul.

    Sounds just like a scene out of Atlas Shrugged …

    Great article. Thanks for sharing.

    • Remember, that those “in poverty” as you put it, have historically voted for the Labour party. And as a result, whilst Labour would huff and puff about getting people out of poverty, it really had no wish whatsoever to set them free.

      And indeed, the easiest way to explain mass immigration – was a way to increase the numbers in poverty and thus increase the labour vote (although tories obviously benefit from cheap labour: cheap plumbers, cleaners, nurses, nannies, etc.)

  18. Describing those backing Trump as “uneducated white working-class people”, Armstrong added: “That’s the problem right there. There’s this white nationalism that’s been brewing under the radar for a long time.

    The idea that Donald J Trump’s election had anything to do with “white nationalism” is a head fake by the defeated media. The alternative and more accurate way of describing it is as a response of rural America to the people in the cities. Rural and Urban America have completely different economies, cultures, and interests.

    The blue counties are where half of the pop of the entire country lives:

    Here is one county map for the presidential elections:

    • In the country we are used to the cities yanking the entire state around and spending the money on their own expensive projects.

      But the important differences to keep in mind is that in rural America people there are generally more independent, own land and farms, and own small businesses. In the cities there are college students, academics, social workers, and a lot of people on welfare. These are dependency classes. One quick example of the clash of interests between rural and urban America is the fashionable statements about converting to Electric Vehicles. It is pathetic to think that anyone could subsist in the rural states with cars that are so limited in range, ability to function in cold weather, or in usefulness for hauling trailers or moving cargo of any kind. It is just silly when people in the city claim that evs are the cars of the future. It shows how little they get out and how narrow, self-interested, and incapable they are in their decisions.

      IT is just a thumbnail sketch, but this gives a better understanding of the cultural and economic clash in the US. What is happening here has vanishingly little to do with “white nationalism.” I believe that the democrats have planned to make rural America entirely irrelevant in elections, and that the businesses and politicians believed that this was an inevitable trend. They believed the demographics and marketing experts who were saying this. But they are wrong. Rural America is not irrelevant and you would miss us if we were.

      • The election was decided in the suburbs. Rural areas went for Trump, even though in much of the rural West, he is not liked, to put it mildly. Urban areas, obviously went Yugely for Clinton, voting themselves more goodies. The suburbs are perhaps surprisingly blue collar, as a lot of Yuppies live in the inner cities.

        Based on my acquaintance, Trump probably won because of white women in the ‘burbs, who saw through Hillary.

      • the serfs didn’t go buy land once they left the manor, did they?

        high population density makes people crazy in many different ways. it’s the best place for acquired misanthropy…lol

      • “Urban areas, obviously went Yugely for Clinton, voting themselves more goodies.”

        You mean like the 1 in 7 people on food stamps now?

        That’s the truth Chimp. And between the increased illegal immigration, the federal refugee settlement programs which placed thousands of migrants in each state, and the shift to the millennials as an equal demographic to the Boomers, the marketers and demographics experts were sure that the population would tilt away from the rural counties, never to return. If you go through a small town you will see just local retail, restaurant and repair shops and a lot of farms. That is a middle class, often church-going, small business owning, and independent part of our economy and culture.

        If the dependency classes and cities can become large enough fast enough, the elections all go to the city voters state-by-state, from here on out. So to conceal the facts, they call it “white nationalism.” But out there is where the food is grown and where the ores and resources are. The strength and might of the nation.

      • gnomish November 21, 2016 at 9:22 pm says, “high population density makes people crazy in many different ways. it’s the best place for acquired misanthropy…lol”

        They have a lot of chemical assistance for their problems as well. Though I have seen evidence that heroine is flooding some of the small towns. Not much heroine or coke interdiction at all, considering the extent of the pandemic.

      • Over the years, I’ve seen a number of studies on animals that are forced to live in crowded conditions.
        It never ends well.

      • Zeke, having heroines flood small towns is not a problem. Unless there aren’t enough heroes to go around.

      • MarkW says, “Zeke, having heroines flood small towns is not a problem.”

        That was very unfortunate spelling. Let me clarify that I do not oppose temporary visas with possible path to citizenship for heroines, Amazons, or women with superpowers, as it may have appeared. (: thanks MarkW

    • It is more one sided then that map shows. Take San Diego County for example. Geographically it is likely that only the city of San Diego is blue.

  19. Working class, okay. White working class… Don’t legitimize [class] diversity. It’s a progressive slope.

    • Black Working Class gets the double whammy, not only are they part of the basket of deplorables if they vote for their own self-interest, they are castigated for being “Uncle Toms” for providing an example of success for blacks that does include Theology, Politics, Entertainment or Professional Athletics as a vehicle.

  20. While Trump’s competitors focused on smoothing functions, lowered expectations, and [class] diversity, Americans voted for Revitalization, Rehabilitation, and Reconciliation. Positive progress.

  21. All those folks, from Billy Joe Armstrong to Bernie Sanders, have completely misconstrued their opposition (not surprising as their analysis is completely self-serving.

    It’s not just white working people.

    Their opposition is the people from all walks of life (and all ethnic groups) — working middle class including construction workers, oil-rig roughnecks, and farmers, through to working professionals — thoughtful tolerant people who are fed up to here with 40 years of progressive pieties shoved down their throats.

    They’re fed up with the Progressive lie that America is deeply, inherently and irremediably racist.

    They’re fed up with the villainously self-righteous Progressive war against the police.

    They’re fed up with being taxed to support Progressive politics forced onto their children in public schools.

    They’re fed up with an intentionally porous border, and the war against the American culture of civil freedom.

    They’re fed up being told that the fully factually justifiable dislike of Islam is pathological and racist (This despite Islam’s obvious and world-wide self-indulgence in religious hostility, violence and murder, its claim of a divinely ordained misogyny and slavery, and its sacralized duty of social discrimination and oppression.).

    They’re fed up with the related dishonesty of politicians who never name the enemy that is actively waging a murderous war against the West and its freedoms: Islam.

    They’re fed up with a dishonest press.

    They’re fed up being taxed to support academic feminists, sociologists, cultural anthropologists, critical race theorists including the despicable “Whiteness Studies” curricula, and others — all of whom consider it their virtuous duty to write learned essays whose whole point is to vilify Americans. And none of whom, by the way, understand the difference between knowledge and opinion.

    It’s not the white working class. It’s everyone who is fed up with this.

    Feel free to add to the list.

    • Of all the oversimplifications of group psychology I have ever been exposed to, thee one I like best comes from noted author Robert Heinlein: “Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”
      This election was the rejection of those who would control us all by those who rebel at being controlled.

      • tadchem, I’ve come to think of the Enlightenment as a cultural speciation event (we humans are the only culturally obligate species).

        The event saw the emergence of a portion of the population that had an epiphenomenal ability to be facultatively individualistic, within a population with a long evolutionary gradient for a collectivist culture and a brain structure (mentation) that supported it.

        The evolution of a group with an in-built preference for collectivist culture was necessary to social cohesion; a survival trait in a milieu of relentless competition.

        The emergence of facultative individualism was produced by people whose brains were accidentally structured to permit thinking unconstrained by cultural mores, while not requiring it. Since their ability was facultative, they could as well adjust themselves to the collectivist culture, and so persist without revealing their difference.

        However, the slow growth of rational thought by gifted individuals undermined collectivist morality, and the sudden rapidity of technology lent power to individuals.

        The ‘culture wars’ we see now make sense as the struggle of two species for the same territory; in this case obligate collectivists vs. facultative individualists and the territory is human culture.

    • Pat,

      Well said, and (I believe) absolutely correct…especially the “thoughtful tolerant people” part. I can say, for myself, that I’m so emotionally weary of the constant vilification and condescension I’m subjected to for my beliefs/views. I’ve experienced, on so many numerous occasions (yes, yes, I know, “so many numerous” is quantifiably redundant, but it’s also rhetorically effective…), surprise by liberal friends and acquaintances at my considered explanations for conservative opinions…as though they’ve never bothered to even explore the potential for a rational, unsentimental logic behind the opposition viewpoint. And for that, I’M the stupid one? Please!

      Also, yeah, I’m a fan of Green Day’s music (though I prefer The Offspring)…what can I say, I’m a Gen-X’er. But I’m a fan despite of their silly politics…and would appreciate it if they’d stick to music instead of wading into partisan politics. I mean, sure, punk often goes into social commentary and such, and I’m used to that. But railing against social injustice / issues doesn’t have to mean you have to act like a political hack. Case in point:

      rip

      • Good on you for standing up for yourself, rip. I’m guessing you’ve got better arguments than the others, and that it doesn’t make any difference.

  22. I find it hilarious that democrats (the plorables) complain that the less well paid and “uneducated” have voted for Trump. Democrats, socialists, labor, progressives (whatever you like to call them) have always relied on the lower socio-economic groups to get into power. Have you ever heard republicans or conservatives complain about that? Of course not, they just accept the outcome and get on with life.

  23. My take: People east of the Hudson River (& similar places) are clueless.
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” [George Carlin]

    Someone thinks there are 60.5 Million “uneducated white working-class people” — And those are the ones that voted.

    Also,
    “Advertisers are grappling with a stark realization: After spending years courting U.S. consumers with aspirational images of upscale urban living, they may have misjudged the yearnings of much of their audience.” .. in the WSJ, Nov. 21 (restricted access)

    “upscale urban living” Remember Arugula-gate, when Obama asked about the price of arugula?”

  24. Same-old talking points about uneducated, racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc, voting for Trump.

    I think it was Mark Steyn who pointed out that there were over 600 counties that voted for Obama in both of the previous two elections…and about one-third of those instead went for Trump in this election. Why weren’t those uneducated whites voting against Obama?

    • It must be that those uneducated, racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc’s, hate of women was much greater that their hatred dark skinned men; so much so that the trade off of getting the replacement phone wasn’t considered a positive.

  25. Note the mention of nationalism, as if it is bad for anyone to be loyal to one’s country. The Nazis were The Nationalist Socialist Party, but the evil part of them was the radical imposition of socialism, made acceptable to Germans by cloaking it as a national pride issue.

    Nationalism has been demonized, with the wrong notion that nationalism was the evil of the Nazis. It was nationalism that helped Britain stand up to the Nazis and American Nationalism helped us win WW II. TO have pride on ones country is not a bad thing and that is nationalism.

    The other reason for them to denigrate and sneer at nationalism is that the UN and Agenda 21 need to destroy national sovereignty and that includes getting rid of or demonizing people who love their country.

    It was the many different socialistic, economy-killing, personal rights attacks, and abrogations of the Constitution, combined with rampant lies and complete lack of transparency that lost the election for Clinton. Oh, and then there was her arrogance, two-faced public and private policies, rampant corruption, and her tolerating her sexual predator husband. A clearly dishonest person such as Hillary does not garner many female votes, even when she pulled the ovaries card, because women are good at seeing the evil in other women. She lost the election in myriad ways. Sure white working class men wanted a better economy, jobs, and fewer regulations—this does not make them bad in any way—it makes them adults. They knew Hillary was going to be more of the failed policies of our incumbent socialist only she would spend her time pilfering our treasury directly.

  26. Quote: Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong, a strong supporter of Al Gore and climate action …

    Ah. I had to read it a couple of times but now I see the connection with science (or anti-science).

    To adapt the old joke I came along to watch a (science) fight but a hockey match has broken out.

  27. “Uneducated”….seems to be the word for pompous leftists attempting to pretend that their opinion has more value. But here’s a little suggestion…..when the polling companies are asking people whether they have a college education they should ask one more probing question. That question would be from which faculty did they receive their degree. There are so many utterly USELESS college degrees these days that to say one has a college degree does not necessarily indicate education as much as indoctrination.

  28. I like Green Day, Billy and the gang.

    Best keep them where they are. When Apple Inc. iTunes and Apple Music go bust, they will be back to playing in the queer bars off the main streets and on the street corners in SoHo for tips and giving trists in the alleys for tips, just like the old days come again.

  29. Thanks guys and gals for all the comments , I am still smiling about the angst from the left. A thanks to JM, your comments make me laugh and happy every time!

  30. He said: “I’ve got family members from Oklahoma that are big Trump supporters. And there’s no clear answer on why they’re supporting him because he doesn’t even have any policies.”

    Hey Billy Joe Stupid. Here’s a comprehensive list of Trump’s policies….. Can you read?
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

    • A “policy” is something upon which the democrats and republicans have mutually agreed to have slightly differing views.

      What you are referring to are “consensus” – as in the democrats and republicans have mutually agreed that they want to have nothing at all to do with them.

    • It’s right up there with the left’s definition of bi-partisanship.
      Republicans and Democrats working together to pass the Democrat’s agenda.

  31. Even Bernie Sanders is completely out of touch with the flyover states. I watched him give a speech about how all white men have white privilege, imagine how well that went over in coal country.

  32. Sorry, as a long-time habitue of SF Bay Area punk/whatever clubs – never liked Green Day at all.

    Yeah, I’m sure plenty of other bands I did like are equally loony, but these guys sucked from day one.

  33. … reach out to these “stupid” working class people.

    They aren’t so stupid. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama promised to improve the condition of the working people. They lied and implemented policies that really stuck it to the working people. In other words, they treated the working people like they were stupid.

    The working people aren’t stupid. They do know that they have been betrayed. evidence

    • So the answer to being betrayed, is to elect a president who made big promises, but has been demonstrated to be a liar in over 71% of his statements?

      How’s that going to work?

      • That “71%” is pure factoid, Merical. It is very similar to citing NASA GISS temperature “records” or Al Gore as an expert. PolitiFact or the WAPO are very partisan, and about as likely to rate the statements of any Republican “true” as I am able to reach escape velocity by putting my head between my legs and spitting.

      • How’s that going to work?

        It might not. Both parties have stuck it to these folks in the past. They have no good reason to expect that anyone will look after their interests in the future. It’s pathetic really.

      • Thanks commieBob … first person with an answer instead of an insult. Good for you.
        Yes, I personally think that Trump won because people didn’t hate him enough to vote against him, but certainly didn’t like Clinton to vote for her.

        It’s a case of “none of the above”…

        I just don’t see anything improving this way.

  34. I’m at a loss to understand how the “elite” can consider themselves as such … they’re barely educated, lack experience, and exist in a “progressive” echo chamber. The “deplorables” have an enormous advantage, life based experience … some might be ignorant but the right education can fix that. On the other hand, the “elite” display a level of stupidity that is incurable, it cannot be educated out of them. No wonder they cry so easily, that level of STUPID must hurt like hell!

  35. Dude named his band after a garbage bin schedule.

    Need to say more?

    If he had named his band free expression , wide awake , or Explorer his belief in global warming and Al Gore would have been jettisoned like a used water bottle.

    That’s how trivial his belief system is.

  36. global warming has only one use, one facility that uses it.

    The entertainment industry uses it a a shorthand gag to signal the audience that their actor portraying a “smarter that you” character (Sheldon on the big bang theory, the Muslim guy on Scorpion, the dude playing Sherlock on Elementary) is actually smarter than you.

    It’s losing it’s effectiveness in this role, but not fast enough for public safety.

    If there is some way for WUWT readers to attack this aspect of the AGW fraud in their private life, you would be doing the country a service.

  37. Should the Democrat party ever learn anything about this defeat, which was bigger than the bare figures because of voter fraud, they might start by bringing to an end the abuse of those they claim to want to represent. While it is correct to assert that many working people have only a hazy understanding of some of the issues in today’s world, most can sense when they are being ridiculed and rightly they resent it because most are neither especially racist or misogynistic. The resentments bred by societal contempt may have helped Mr Trump gain the White House, if so it is fully justified, because for too long men have endured racial and misandric abuse, the time has come to push back in anyway they can.

    • Voter fraud???
      Really?

      “for too long men have endured racial and misandric abuse”

      OK… answer me this.
      If a recording had come out of Clinton in which she had said “I just gab them by the sac, it’s easy”… honestly, would you have immediately called for her dismissal?

      Have you ever been stopped and frisked? Or shot at?

    • I’m hoping that Trump can name a couple of SC judges who are smart enough to realize that there is nothing discriminatory about asking to see photo id before voting.
      If that ever happens, 10% of the Democrat vote total disappears in the next election.

      • Yes, we must have voter ID laws in place. Identification is required for just about everything in life. You have to have an ID to check out a library book.

        The only reason the Left doesn’t want voter ID is so they can continue to cheat in future elections. The Left has never been able to show any voter disenfranchisement connected to requiring voter ID.

  38. Just a thing for Billy Joe to think about.

    It might be just as well his demented, diseased, Russians-under-the beds, neocon candidate lost the election. It’s to do with a little old thing called WW3.

    While Russia has just moved missiles into its own territory of Kaliningrad, a Baltic exclave bordering NATO-armed Poland and Lithuania, the EU is about to vote on its own army, to be up and running by next year. That’s right. The dodgy German Empire, currently mismanaged by drunks and mediocrities and owned by lobbyists, is about to go out on its own, as if NATO wasn’t feisty enough for them. (We’re not sure where hundreds of thousands of military age males will come from, but we can make informed guesses.)

    Just add Hillary to all that, and it’s enough to make you want to jump off the Tallahatchie Bridge, Billy Joe.

  39. Greens, climate scientists or renewable energy advocates haven’t described anyone as deplorable.

    Some candidate in some recent election may have described her political opponents in such a manner.

    ‘greens’ and certainly not climate scientists, people accepting climate science as a reality, those involved in renewables are not part of a single political point of view, they are not all democrats or of the left.

    • Hey Griff I dunno about the STATES but here in Australia we had a green candidate in a federal election Clive Hamilton an earnest “climate change is our fault academic activist” who stated that if the people did not vote for candidates who favored strong action on climate change then maybe we would have to do away with democracy itself
      In short the country should be run by concerned citizens who both care about and understand the need for strong climate action–for example people like him
      Dont know what you call that but to me its arrogant green elitism
      By the way he not only did not get elected but also lost his monetary deposit for not attracting enough votes
      That’s democracy at work
      Hamilton’s other argument was that to” fix ‘ the climate we should aim for zero economic growth
      As a member of the Green party which favors a greatly increased refugee intake he and they need to be asked how will the refugees get jobs in Australia if there is to be no economic growth ?

      • Well, that’s the Green party in Australia.

        I don’t support the idea that renewables (needed to fight climate change as well as a useful emerging technology) need involve zero economic growth. Rolling out a renewable economy will produce jobs and growth and save industry money.

        My point is that this article is from a US Republican party viewpoint and falsely equates Clinton with all green/climate science/renewable groups.

        but looking at it the other way, I still believe climate scepticism is a political movement, largely indistinguishable from US Republicanism and its political allies.

    • So you obviously stick your thumbs in your ears and mutter “La La La” every time Mike Mann or Naomi Oreskes begin yet another of their hate speeches…

      Must have never seen the 350.org exploding children video either.

      That’s Ok. I hear they’re building a bubble in Brooklyn just for you.

  40. May Boeve, the director of international climate group 350.org …said:

    “The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all,”

    She’s touting for her real boss: Californian hedge fund billionaire Tom Steyer, who, I imagine, had even more billions to gain in a futures bet on a “100% renewable energy economy” which is pure Sci-Fi. It’s a whole cake-of-comfort to me that her idiotic analysis will continue to lose them the working class vote.

    Refs: Steyer / 350 / ClimateProgress / CAP / Podesta / Conspiracy
    (1) Larry Tribe:

    From: John Podesta
    To: Tom Steyer
    Subject: Larry Tribe

    Can you get your pall McKibben to organize Harvard student protests against him. I’m all for academic freedom when it’s not bought and paid for by Peabody Coal.

    (2) (2) Roger Pielke Jr: Wikileaks and me

  41. Not sure how Sanders can state he comes from the working class, as he has never been part of it. He never had a job until he was 40 (40!!). Even then it was an elected position. He has never received a paycheck that was not as a result of being a public, elected official.

    Five Pinocchios for Sanders.

  42. “Its a bit difficult to arrange government handouts when most of your political allies have been booted out of office.”

    With the US under Trump and UK out of the eco-fascist EU, public funding for “Greens” will massively dry up. As a result, the endless nonsense publicity for “green” will dry up and with the wheels coming off the green bandwagon, commercial companies will no longer see any benefit jumping on the clapped out bandwagon and greenwashing their products.

    It will be the end of the ecocene.

    • That’s not the message the UK govt are sending out…

      Boris Johnson today indicated the UK govt would be seeking to convince Trump climate change was important…

      “I really must say to the right honourable lady that I believe she is being premature in her hostile judgments of the administration-elect.

      “And any such premature verdict, I believe, could be damaging to the interests of this country. It is important for us in this country to use our influence, which is very considerable, to help the United States to see its responsibilities, as I’m sure they will.”

      He added: “I think it is vital that we are as positive as we can possibly be about the new administration-elect. And, as I have said before, I believe the UK-US relationship is of vital importance.

      “I think that president-elect Trump is a deal maker. And when it comes to climate change, this is something that the UK has led on globally, we have had outstanding success and, yes – I’m very open with the House – it is a message that we are taking to the administration, we believe it to be important, we believe it be in the interests of the United States and of the world.”

  43. In Ontario, Canada, the premier (governor) went on a renewable spending spree and now power bills have tripled and she is apologizing for creating a situation where people must choose between buying food and turning on the lights. Obviously, activists have taken control and the working class, who are the demographic overwhelmingly affected by this predicament, have been abandoned. And yet they still believe this type of stuff:

    “The best way to unite a progressive coalition with working class voters is to push for a 100% renewable energy economy that works for all.”

    I mean, if you’re a conservative I guess you might as well laugh all the way to the bank, while hoping the left doesn’t abandon this suicidal position.

  44. Perhaps they have a ‘cunning plan’ to compare Trump with someone other than Mr Hilter in 2020. We’ll see how well “literally Stalin” out for them. :)

  45. WOW! We (white working class) have finally overcome! Now we are the sought after minority! And minority we are considering almost 95 million not working.

    Maybe we can link arms with Jesse Jackson and sing “We Shall Overcome”!!!

  46. Americans have an obsession to race. For example, Democrats seem to think…

    There are two kinds of poor people.

    1) Black people with low income
    2) Uneducated deplorable white trash

    There are two kinds of people

    1) White trash racists
    2) People who know white trash are racists

  47. “”Describing those backing Trump as “uneducated white working-class people”, Armstrong added:”

    Hypocritical of him since he was a high school drop out.

  48. How to reach out to the “deplorables”? Well certainly not by telling the people of Appalachia that you are going to close down the coal industry. They can see where other industries have mostly disappeared, such as the auto industry in Michigan, that the Democrat Party has done little or nothing to help and support the resulting unemployed “deplorables”.

    • but shale gas has already killed the coal industry and Trump’s plans will only make shale gas more profitable and close coal down faster.

      and mountain top removal already caused many miners to lose their jobs even before that.

      • One constant with Griffie, he actually believes that whatever is happening today will continue forever.
        1) Shale gas is currently outcompeting coal, it hasn’t killed it, no matter what your masters have told you to believe.
        2) When shale gas runs out, coal will still be there.

      • Shale gas is also not an easy substitute for coal. It can be used in some cases in lieu of. But not in all, and conversion to burn gas instead of coal is not a decision made on a lark.

  49. I was talking with a guy who cuts timber. High school degree. Owns lots of equipment and has crews for the work. Employs college educated accountant and business manager. hahahaha
    Sat next to guy at airport and started talking. Outwardly a hippie and in fact makes organic snack foods. But, as a small business and with relatives who own a small sawmill, he had seriously conservative points of view about there being too much government that is too nosy.
    Seriously, the deplorables generally work in practical fields. As such they are not as impressed with virtue signalling. I would bet they actually contribute their own money to their church and to charities.

  50. I have had to laugh as the election drew near and all the main stream media outlets were sending out incorrect information about Trump. That was my biggest worry was that too many people would buy into it. Then afterwards, they continued with incorrect analyses of what happened. Then the left wing starting rioting because of incorrect information. I had to chide my sister for getting swept up in the misinformation blitz. The stock market was going to tank! Oops, it is setting records. The Trump team is in disarray. Oops they are completely on track for the transition.

    The MSM is completely wrong about who voted for Trump and why. The public supporters for the Democrats are by and large performers and sports stars who have little or no knowledge of the life that normal people live. They have no knowledge of what is required to survive without government assistance.

    My friends who are Democrats continually paint an incorrect picture of whatever issue you care to name, then pose their arguments based on that inaccuracy. The straw man approach. Most people see through that tactic now, but the Democrats and the MSM still think it works.

    I hesitate to change their minds now that most educated people, which includes white and blue collar, and every race and creed, no longer buy into the BS! If the left figures that out we might have a bigger battle.

    • NME = New Music Express

      Used to be required reading for anyone interested in British music.

      You know, back in the dark ages when Scientific American had actual science in it, and National Geographic didn’t have an article about climate change in EVERY.SINGLE.ISSUE.

  51. Millionaire “artist” insults poor people who are worried about losing their jobs.
    And these morons wonder why they are losing the support of working people.

  52. Both my parents are rural working class (carpenter and “housewife”, who took in laundry, cleaned cottages and provided “day care” when it was still called “babysitting”), and voted for the NDP (think the most left-wing of Democrats, to the left of Bernie Sanders) here in Canada all their lives.

    It broke my heart when I moved to Toronto and ran into those of the urban left who always took their votes (and donations) for granted. Insular, over-educated and utterly contemptuous of the very lives my parents live.

    Every time I see a celebrity insult me by saying I’m uneducated, I google his or her education.

    I’m rarely disappointed that their hypocrisy is as large as the gap between their fame and their talent (see: Green Day.)

    I mean, a pale copy of punk rock for the “safe space” special snowflakes. Sounds about right.

    Twerp rock is more like it.

  53. A brilliant analysis is available at the NY Post:

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/20/dear-liberals-start-practicing-the-empathy-you-preach/

    Elections have consequences and an obvious one now is your distress. Your grief over Hillary Clinton’s defeat is understandable, but your rage over Donald Trump’s victory is not.

    Yet instead of searching for the reasons, you embarrass the city by booing Mike Pence at “Hamilton.” You screech over Trump’s personnel picks and reflexively smear people you don’t know. Too often, your argument is “Shut up.”

    You are playing with fire by hardening the very polarization you decry. Please stop before you burn down the American house.

    ….But the election is over, so let’s be fully honest: You don’t just reject Trump, you also hold contempt for his supporters. You belittle their concerns and demonize their resistance to your power. Among yourselves, you ask, how can they be so stupid to elect such a stupid man?

    …And yet, that contempt for certain less fortunate Americans is real. Such hate is anathema to the classical meaning of liberalism, and is often directed at an unknown adversary. So it is here, because most of you don’t actually know Trump supporters.

    …They are essential to your lives, but you are ignorant about theirs.

    …Actually, you don’t really hate them, either. What you hate is the caricature of them the Democratic Party and the national liberal media created, and that you swallowed, hook, line and sinker.

    • TomB
      “Actually, you don’t really hate them, either. What you hate is the caricature of them the Democratic Party and the national liberal media created, and that you swallowed, hook, line and sinker….”
      Actually what I fear is the consequences of poorer Trump voters swallowing hook line and sinker that he cares at all about them. It’s my opinion that he does not and that this will become evident over the next four years and this reality will cause anguish and anger that will spill over into the day to day lives of the American people.

      • It is patently obvious that Hillary has never cared about poor people. The same goes for most of the Democrat party.
        Trump may or may not care about poor people, but the policies that he pushes are proven to be better for everyone, including the poor.

      • Personal anecdote.
        My wife’s uncle was a firefighter in Florida. He was murdered when a crazy man stormed the firehouse and started shooting at anything that moved.
        Trump set up a college fund for his two children.

      • MarkW says: “It is patently obvious that Hillary has never cared about poor people.” Well, it is patently obvious that MarkW is not aware of the work Hillary did in New Haven while attending Yale Law school. volunteered at the New Haven Legal Services offices. I suggest you examine the clientele of that specific organization. Secondly, MarkW should become aware of the first job Hillary took after graduation. She worked for Marian Wright Edelman’s Children’s Defense Fund. You have to care about poor people to take on such work. Did the Dumpster do any volunteer work?

      • it is also obvious that Richard Baguley does not know how Hillary and Bill screwed one of the poorest nations on the planet either.

        Yea, Hillary loves poor people – to bilk them!

      • So, in other words, you didn’t read the article at all. Absolutely nothing, whatsoever, about its content or analysis has sunk in.

        I live under no such illusion. I, like millions of other that either voted for Trump or “anyone but Clinton”, don’t believe The Donald is the answer to all the nation’s or the world’s ills.

        What we voted for was a message:
        1) We don’t believe the MSM/Liberal-Progressive/Socialist Elite’s propaganda and reject it utterly.
        2) We don’t believe PC stifling of thoughtful discussion solves real world problems.
        3) We look forward to 4 years of House and Senate members with “D’s” after their names suddenly recalling the Constitution and their co-equal status as a branch of government. Every time they do it, I’ll point out their hypocrisy, but it is a job they should be – and should have been – doing.
        4) We believe that the biggest problem with politics – is politicians. Long past time we elected a chief executive that’s not a career politician. (The MSM kept trying to sell that as a downside when in fact that was a big plus).

        The mudslide into bread and circuses socialism can’t be undone by Donald Trump. But it’s a start.

      • Richard, like most socialists, you really have flexible defintions for facts.
        Working for far left wing groups proves that she cares about the poor.
        Even by your pathetic standards, that’s weak.
        Had she volunteered for an unpaid position, there’s an outside that you might have a case.
        Otherwise you just prove the adage that the left only cares enough to spend other people’s money.

  54. “Trump may or may not care about poor people, but the policies that he pushes are proven to be better for everyone, including the poor.”
    Which policies, what people and how are they proven? Talk about blind faith….he hasn’t started yet. But maybe you mean the wall? The one that will cost the taxpayer billions and merely act as a filter to keep the honest Mexicans out.. the hardened criminals will always find a way in.

    • “Which policies, what people and how are they proven? Talk about blind faith….he hasn’t started yet.”

      That’s right. Perhaps you should withhold your criticisms of Trump until Trump actually does something on the domestic or foreign fronts.

    • ‘Cost the tax-payer billions’?

      Just kind of making stuff up to scare yourself with? And exactly what ‘honest Mexicans’ are going to be kept out? The ones that would have crossed illegally?

      Typical. You gotta set up a false narrative to rail against.

      • “Oh so you still think the Mexicans are gonna pay? ROTFL.”

        Well, what do we have, a $40 billion annual trade deficit with Mexico. Let’s see how much of that deficit Trump reduces. I don’t see why he couldn’t reduce it enough to pay for the wall. Plus, he has other ways of making Mexico pay. Trump said it. Mexico is going to pay. Watch and see.

  55. As I read down through the comments, I have to admit that there is a load of contempt and hate in the sound of them. Some people deserve it, of course, but if this “give and give, no take” is an example of where we are because the people in the US are frustrated and forced a change, then we will never be able to come together again anyway. Looks like the children on the playground are very upset. Some want to take their marbles and run home to scream at momsie and pops about how unfair things are because they didn’t get their way. Others keep smiling and sticking it to them to see them cry harder. Truth is, it’s a small world getting smaller, and the nation is getting crowded so we need to learn to live together. This is just another day in the life and there will be others that come along after this one plays out. If there is one constant in the world, it is change. Things have changed and things are changing now. And they will change tomorrow as well. So relax, take a deep breath and move on. We can move things in the direction we want with constructive action, not disruptive reaction.

    • Well, Tom, there’s been a large segment of the population that has pushed tolerance, simply in order to take over, and then demonstrate nothing but intolerance of any who don’t tow the line. And they count on submissiveness and fear of confrontation… all in the name of decorum and nice manners, of course.

      As for you children on the playground analogy – with you obviously portraying yourself as the ‘adult in the room – us ‘kids’ are long past crying, and we’re quite ready to ‘stick it back’ to the bully (because that the primary mechanism of Progressivism) and send them home crying to ‘momsie and pops.’

      When people who have made their life out of treating others unfairly FINALLY incur the wrath of the general public I’m frankly on board, especially when there is absolutely no sign they’ve internalized the lesson..

      A time for all things. And now is the time to beat them back into the ocean.

    • And male. Maybe, I can’t keep up with the gender stuff these days.

      So he’s a hypocrite for calling other uneducated people dumb, the again for being white and speaking for non-whites, and (probably) mansplaining (don’t laugh, that last one is almost a crime in Sweden now).

      He’s one of those who believes he’ll be taken to the re-education camps last.

  56. The problem with the left is they believe their own lies about the nature of Donald Trump’s personality. As time goes by they will be forced to understand by virtue of the profound economic successes and the clear positive effect “Amerca First” in foreign affairs and immigration that the eutopian political philosophies of the progressive elite are ananachronistic and backward. He will demonstrate that there is a solution to the vexing problem of free market capitalism and simultaneously uplifting huge numbers of Americans out of mediocrity and governmental dependance. This can and will be accomplished by reestablishing the spirit of American individualism unfettered by an overbearing over regulating federal behemoth. Time for 16 years of Trump-Pence refined conservatism that will shape the common desitiny of all races and creeds into the original dream our founding fathers first envisioned.

    • A left comedian makes an obnoxious joke about the right and it’s just a joke. An alt-right wannabe comedian makes a bad joke about the left and it’s a racist hate crime. They have no sense of perspective.

  57. “The singer also admitted that some members of his family are going to vote for Trump in the upcoming US election. He said: “I’ve got family members from Oklahoma that are big Trump supporters. And there’s no clear answer on why they’re supporting him ….”

    Sure there is. They’re smarter than the High School dropout.

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