Guest essay by Eric Worrall
I watched the new Leonardo DiCaprio climate epic so you don’t have to. The following 5 minute summary will save you an hour and a half of your life which you will otherwise never get back.
Quite apart from DiCaprio racking up an impressive number of air miles, in my opinion the video contained nothing new or exciting. The scariest moment was President Obama insisting that the Paris agreement is only the beginning of the pain, but we kind of knew that anyway.
Dated content, tired rehashed conspiracies. The most likely prognosis is a rapid one way journey to the digital graveyard.
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So in other words this epic is certain to wind up in every Primary and Secondary school curriculum like the AlBoreP0rn
So true. The powers promoting the faith is man-made-global warming are everywhere and appear unstoppable. It now appears impossible to stop this grand delusion from going on indefinitely.
Reminds me of an old Styx song. OH, look they are old now too!
I don’t understand why the source of the problem matters? If it’s man made or the earths natural cycle, things are looking grim for humans in about two decades. We have the solution reguardless of the problems source. It is certain that there is a problem. Now we need to take action.
Blake brewer (Not His Real Name) says “things are looking grim for humans in about two decades.”
But NOT looking grim for humans right now? Billions of people are on the verge of starvation but that’s not “grim”. Something you suppose will happen in two decades will suddenly make things “grim”. Or at least grimmer.
“We have the solution reguardless of the problems source.”
There is no WE and I don’t particularly like your solution (reducing human population by sterilization rather than war and starvation).
“It is certain that there is a problem.”
Inescapable. Right now my problem is 26 letters in the alphabet and only 10 fingers so I have to move my hands to type a response. Other problems include idiots commenting on WUWT.
“Now we need to take action.”
There is no WE. As for me, my next action is to read the next comment and hope it is more intelligent.
Anyway, I appreciate your comment and look forward to more from you.
Blake,
The source of the problem is highly relevant. If the source is Nature, and we attempt to do anything to modify/control it, we could, in our hubris, do more damage than would have otherwise happened. The only belief in a need for action comes in the belief that it is Mans doing rather than Manns doing
Blake, what is this alleged problem that so torments your dreams?
We needed to take urgent action 20+ years ago as well. If past dire predictions didn’t come true (New England kids won’t know what snow is, NYC west freeway underwater, polar ice cap gone, hurricanes pounding the east coast, polar bears disappearing and on and on) why does Blake and the CAGW crowd hang on every word Al Gore, James Hansen, Michael Mann and the rest of them say when they have clearly been wrong to the point of it being a brick shy of criminal? All of those things mentioned were already supposed to come to pass. When does the statute of limitations run out on credibility? Also, I see NO evidence that a warming planet is harmful. I think global cooling is a worse threat to everyone on the planet. The planet itself doesn’t care one way or the other.
Yes, in two thousand years people will still be making sacrifices to be saved from Sio-Doo and his evil.
ossqss: Everything old is new again.
Except me, I’m still old.
What a horrible thought… 🙂
Thanks Eric, I’d rather eat a bug than watch that drivel.
Rotor
Careful:
Africa has some very tasty bugs…
I’d rather drive a bug than eat one.
Why should they miss out on the boredom?
They’re used to it. They can take it.
Yes! Leo Di Sanctimonio wants to be right up there with Al Gore.
Wattsupwiththat.com = Anti Climate change blog. Supported and brought to you by the Heartland Foundation
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/leaked-documents-hit-home/content?oid=5240854
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)
Sofa King Bueno says “Wattsupwiththat.com = Anti Climate change blog”
Your meaning is unclear. I doubt that blogs can cause or prevent climate change although I suppose there’s no harm trying.
@ur momisugly Michael 2
It appears your understanding of a thesaurus and dictionary are what’s making your understanding unclear. ‘Anti’ is used as a preposition, adjective or noun, where as ‘prevent’ is used as a verb
Sofa King Bueno writes “Anti is used as a preposition, adjective or noun, where as prevent is used as a verb”
With both signifying opposition to the object. Or in other words, asserting that this blog is an anti-climate-change blog means this blog opposes climate change. Many blogs oppose climate change but not this one. Writers on this blog observe climate change and report on it from time to time, as for instance the ENSO meter.
But perhaps you meant something else; something so secret and non-obvious that only you can reveal it to the regular readers here.
@Michael2
Um, (cricket sounds. . . symbolizing awkward silence) This blog is definitely a amateur climate change denial blog, as I already cited in my first post.
“Sofa King Bueno”, we don’t care if you are supported and brought to us by Rockefeller, di caprio, or just your own inability to cope with propaganda.
Just do yourself a favor : cross-check sources.
I mean, propaganda is fine and fair –“propaganda” is latin for “must be let known” –, whether coming from (supposedly) Koch or Rockefeller.
Just cross-check.
And DOUBLE ans TRIPLE cross-check when State backs [put anything here, from communist plot in Vietnam to global warming, from using drugs and asbestos to war on drugs and asbestos, …]. Everything coming from gov is not a lie, but it sure have a purpose : making YOU let the keepers of power act the way they want, with the big stick you paid them. So if you know you just don’t know, if you have to rely on unreliable source to make you opinion, the safest is just to have NO opinion and DONT back the government.
Personally I may read anything, but certainly don’t trust a source whose very first word is a big fat lie (“leaked” Heartland documents were not, they were hacked away and one was even forged).
I never forget that Wikipedia itself insist on being NOT reliable on controversial topics, too.
@paqyfelcy
What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense and you’re just rambling
Sofa..
If you choose to stay and dig into the huge resource of material here, I for one will consider you a decent human being. All I ask is for you to be open to learning. As was stated above, many sources such as Wkipedia are not reliable as they are written by politically motivated people. Very few people try to politicize the science here though, as this BB challenges everyone to back up their thoughts with data.. data… data..
Having to watch it in my college course.
But it’s probably good for some nice favors down the line like no tax audits, special guest passes, and lots more face time and media points as the marketing consultants compute it.
Wattsupwiththat.com = Anti Climate change blog. Supported and brought to you by the Heartland Foundation
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/leaked-documents-hit-home/content?oid=5240854
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)
[readers should look at the News and Review link to see both sides of the story purposely not covered by Wikipedia -mod]
Sofa King Bueno, your “spam” button is stuck again. A remedy would be to remove your backside from your keyboard.
Dont worry, you might not see it but you can be sure they will show it to your kid in school. Inconvenient Truth still is even though we know better.
Cape Magazine, Oct.24, 2016
‘Solar isn’t that green really’
Article about the environmental damage and pollution from solar panel production and the hazardous chemicals used in solar panel production.
http://www.capemessinger.co.za/2016/10/24/solar-isnt-green-really
Schools only teach the “green” propaganda.
Correction: Cape Messenger
http://www.capemessenger.co.za/2016/10/24/solar-isnt-green-really
Barbara, your link says: “Wind generators need tons of copper, most dug up from enormous open cast mines that scar the landscape.”
But almost any large scale electrical apparatus/generator also needs copper from the same source.
and I’m pretty sure the hideous chemical elements mentioned are common in producing much other equipment… including computers and TVs
The problem, if there is one, is manufacturing standards in China, where environmental controls are slack in all industries.
“Griff November 1, 2016 at 1:42 am
The problem, if there is one, is manufacturing standards in China, where environmental controls are slack in all industries.”
And that is why industry, and emissions of CO2, have been exported there so that people like you can feel smug that emissions in your country of residence (UK?) is dropping. I didn’t know CO2 was so smart that is would stop at a man-made border.
Griff: So large scale mining is wonderful if we’re talking wind turbines? Scarring the landscape is great if it’s to save the planet? You must destroy the environment to save it?
If we’re going to have to mine no matter what, then let’s build power plants that make power 24/7 and forget putting up wind traps and hoping we catch something now and then. Why scar the planet for a inefficient method of producing energy? Not to mention how many million turbines and panels, millions of acres of land, millions of acres of mining, etc, it would take to produce adequate electricity to run today’s society. Sounds as inefficient as that “slash-and-burn” agriculture the enviros claimed to oppose. Low yields and destroys the landscape. So now we use “slash and burn” electricity?
Griff,
Wind and solar power require materials like copper on a much larger scale than other forms of power generation because of their relative low density. For example, all the copper power lines needed to interconnect those millions of wind turbines and/or solar panels. But of course, most “green” leaders already know this, and they are ready to pull the rug out from under us just as soon as we abandon our thermal plants for “renewables”, because they are really aiming for massive population reduction. It’s the only way the elites can be at the top of whatever society is left.
Griff, so it doesn’t matter to you that we are drastically increasing the total demand for copper to build your windmills?
I don’t know if it is still the case, but most power lines used to be made using aluminum.
So if the problem in China, then why did the Obama Administration allow so many manufacturing jobs to be relocated there?
Oh the Hypocracy…It reeks
Time to vote for Trump (in one week)
Bryan, what is it that makes you believe that the president has the power to tell companies where they are permitted to build plants?
MarkW writes “what makes you believe that the president has the power to tell companies where they are permitted to build plants?”
Being the Chief Executive Officer over federal lands. Congress can override I suppose, but until they do, the president is the decider of things on federal property.
Griff, you dullard. Windmills only produce for say 25% of the time. Therefore the amount of copper stuck in the generator on a stick in the middle of nowhere is four times what would be required to produce the same amount of electricity from a coal, gas, nuclear or hydro plant.
Windmills are utterly unsustainable. I look upon them as valuable resources (copper, neodymium, etc) which have been placed utterly beyond use by hoisting them to the top of a stick in the wilderness to produce only a quarter of the energy they could produce by other means on the ground.
Mark,
If the President has the power to redirect $500M to the coffers of the IPCC/UN for Climate Reparations without the consent of Congress, the President has the power to make the Business Climate of the US more enticing for business to remain here
Michael, private corporations are on private lands, not federal lands.
Even if they were on federal lands, the president still couldn’t prevent them from leaving federal lands, either to go to US private lands, or out of the country completely.
This president has declared that he has the power to tell the IRS to ignore certain laws when it comes to enforcement of charities.
I guess a future president could order the IRS to reset the tax tables to whatever he wants.
Hey, Reality, “Slash-and-burn” electricity would be Drax. Clearing out the Province of Carolina for the joy of millions of British subjects.
Even the 5 minute summary is too long – though appreciate Eric taking one for the team. One interesting thing though is the reference to The Revenant (which, of course, was quite a good flick) – in my mind, it depicts the cold, harsh, joyless, un-healthy world he and his eco activist friends would like us to live in.
“…world he and his eco activist friends would like Everyone Else (but themselves) to live in.”
Had to fix that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenant
“A revenant is a visible ghost or animated corpse that is believed to have returned from the grave to terrorize the living.”
He never got over that they drowned hin in Titanic.
Maybe Rose should have slapped him harder. Lord knows I wanted to.
I liked the little banner, “By 2060 Climate Change will cost taxpayers an estimated $44 Trillion USD”.
Only if Hillary wins and the CAGW madness continues.
What kind of review is this — you didn’t even say whether he was for or against climate change ;
…Ummmmm, me thinks you forgot the /SARC tag !
What, like it wasn’t already obvious without that /sarc tag?
Kinda hard to “Review” a blatant propaganda piece 8 days before the elections and blatantly pro Hillary but I doubt it will have much of an effect seeing that for most voter CC is far down the list ( below 20th place I believe).
Your legacy will be one of Stupidity!
Climate alarmist propaganda puff piece. Shall avoid.
I agree that it was boring but I did get a bit of a laugh over the Hieronymus Bosch version of hell, complete with a wind and water mill. Apparently hell is powered by renewables.
YES…
and HERE IT ALL IS, or what it will come down to in the end.
Something more worth your time than DiCaprio’s monsterpiece.
I’m pretty sure hell is powered by geothermal energy.
You need a temperature differential for geo-thermal to work.
I’m for climate change, as long as it doesn’t go back to a glacial period, as it has at least eight times in the past million years. In fact, about 80% of the past million years has found Earth in glacial circumstances. For Canadians afraid of a little warming, during most of the glacial times Canada was totally uninhabitable. Ditto for the United States Eastern mega-cities area. During the inevitable next glacial beginning in about 10,000 years, Earth’s inhabitants will rediscover why Dante’s most inner circle of Hell is composed of ice, not fire.
..I agree..Living in Ontario, Canada, I cannot understand how any Canadian could want it to get colder than it already is in the winter !!…As a great hero once replied to the German Forces surrounding his troops in Bastone….N.U.T.S. !!
He only won the Academy Award ’cause he’s a true climate zealot; no way he would have won if he was a sceptic. This little endeavor is just an investment for another Academy Award in the future, an ego-inflated virtue-signalling exercise that all the PC luvvies crowd in the Academy cannot possibly fail to notice and reward him for.
Actually Colin, he is a very good actor,deserving a few nominations,but he has nothing credible to say on climate matters.
He is a flaming hypocrite and a moron.
I agree. I like his movies, hate his hypocracy & his politics.
He’s Hanoi Jane and Ho’s love child?
Perhaps stickers need to be put on billboards pointing out that this is a propaganda production.Hopefully a Trump victory (or a revolution) will expose Obama for the TRAITOR and LIAR he is. Once Obama is exposed as a LIAR, his role in the propaganda film should wake people up that there is something very fishy going on.
Obama is exposed as a fraud, liar and all things unnatural ‘High Treason’. Take Gitmo, which he said he’d close – still there. So many things, like war, on Libya and Syria, funding ISIS; the list too long for here. Watch him pardon the Clintons as he leaves office, so Trump can’t have them prosecuted.
Nothing personal, but this is nonsense. I’m no fan of Obama or Hillary (and I think Trump deserves the lowest circle of the abyss.) However, these aren’t “lies”, let alone treason. He was blissfully naive on Gitmo — but he’s not the first president to fall into that trap. It’s not a lie (unlike most of Trump’s claims which are lies.)
Not wanting to believe, isn’t enough to make it a lie.
“However, these aren’t “lies”, let alone treason. He was blissfully naive . . . ”
Sure, and if you like your plan, you can keep your plan, O blissfully naive one ; )
lorcanbonda and others who scoffed at me, watch this.
“Stephen Pieczenik is an Advisor of TeleContinuity, Inc. Mr. Pieczenik served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein. In addition, Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter’s successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was Chief Architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. Dr. Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling “Tom Clancy’s Op-Center” and “Tom Clancy’s Net Force” book series. He is also one of the world’s most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations. Dr. Pieczenik trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T.”
I wonder how long AFTER he leaves office we’ll hear how “Obama is finally being exposed for..” [FILL IN THE BLANK]
Got a hot tip for ya. Everyone KNOWS. The trouble is those who oppose Obama mostly don’t vote while those who LOVE his lying ways vote in droves – as in “my minister drove the bus that took us to the votin’ place.”
I know that Trump-lovin’ knee-jerkin’ working-class white guys think they’re the only ones who get Obama. But actually what they don’t get is that it ain’t Obama, it’s the people who vote for him and the many, many others like him, that are the problem.
Hillary! will likely win next week, and if she does it’s because too few Americans – even those who call themselves “conservative” – care enough to work within the system. Instead they fall for radio talk show host palaver that stokes them up but otherwise does nothing (except serve up advertising), or the fixate on some single issue like guns or abortion and litmus-test the hell out of every Republican candidate. Or as in the present case they fall for a demagogue who’s just the latest in the long line since Alcibiades riled up the lower-caste Athenians.
Meanwhile the Dems have this great system: just keep your constituents stupid, scared, poor and on the dole, and they’ll show up to vote every time.
But you folks just go right on “exposing the truth about Obama.”
Everyone needs a hobby.
lorcanbonda “Nothing personal, but this is nonsense”. Obama signs over more drone killings than Bush, there is plenty of documented evidence that shows how he knows he as Head of State is responsible for funding ISIS in Syria. So is Clinton and her record in Lybia, for one example, with ambassador Stevens and staff deaths, is also well documented and very serious, in need of court examination. Yet the lies continue, just as they do on climate. These scams are interrelated, both arising from the UN desire for world governance, among a number of other agendas the elite impose.
“These scams are interrelated, both arising from the UN desire for world governance, among a number of other agendas the elite impose.”
What are some of the specific attempts at world governance that the UN has made? Other than pushing a for a carbon tax and the Paris agreement on CO2 reductions – which are NOT world governance, by the way.
Chris asks “What are some of the specific attempts at world governance that the UN has made?”
That is one of the silliest questions I have ever seen.
The United Nations is itself an attempt at world governance; therefore, everything (or nearly everything) it does constitutes attempts at world governance.
Bill P,
“But actually what they don’t get is that it ain’t Obama, it’s the people who vote for him and the many, many others like him, that are the problem.”
Not logical, sir. If the people elected are not a problem, those who elect them are not causing a problem.
I suggest you stop conflating IQ with virtue . . disconcerting as that may seem.
“Stephen Pieczenik is an Advisor of TeleContinuity, Inc. Mr. Pieczenik served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker. Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein. In addition, Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter’s successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was Chief Architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. Dr. Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling “Tom Clancy’s Op-Center” and “Tom Clancy’s Net Force” book series. He is also one of the world’s most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations. Dr. Pieczenik trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T.”
…Without the Democrats (socialist liberals) controlling the White House and / or congress, ALL this “Green Machine” B.S. will die a very sudden death…VOTE TRUMP !!
Love your humor, Eric, thanks, it cheered me up. Rubert Murdoch owns VICE news and a whole lot of subsidiaries, and this is how he brainwashes hipsters, which helps him in his elite ventures with George Soros. Watch VICE put jet setter hipster Leo on, hipsters all celebrating in the VICE studio together. I am not ashamed to say I used to be a hipster, but 40 years later I would be ashamed to be one. See ‘VICE’s Fall From Counterculture Hipster Rag To Neoliberal Mouthpiece’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVLVWmVa5U&feature=youtu.be
Can Mini-Gore expect a Nobel prize too ?
…I really wish these “Green Eco-Loons” would tell me in what century do they think the climate STOPPED changing ?? I keep asking, and they keep walking away without giving an answer !! Maybe Griffy will know…or make something up at least…….lol
I read about a minutes worth.
What is Di Caprio on?
Is it Di Craprio we see?
Good point Sylvia. Could be George Soros funding it, as he does so many propaganda vehicles.
I also think Leo is a really good actor. And I can sympathize with his need to have more meaning in his life than pretending to be other people.
That’s all the positive input I have on him.
+1
The trouble with good actors is that they never stick to acting.
They used to. But that was back when the studio system was still in affect.
He is very talented, no question, but The Revenant was nowhere near his best work (not that the plot and script gave him much to work with). The whole thing – his activism during the filming, winning the award, the acceptance speech and then this follow-up, all seem, well, scripted. Would he have won the Oscar if he was a sceptic? Would he have been allowed the platform of an Academy Award acceptance speech to say ” AGW is BS!”? You know the answer to that, don’t you? Notice how few prominent artists come out and announce support for Trump? Or as sceptics? It’s because they know it would be a death knell on their careers, the far left PC / right-on brigade would see to it that there’s no awards and no more roles for you! Same as in academia, they self-censor and turn it into an unthinking echo-chamber where no dissenting views are tolerated, but puff pieces like Leo’s movie with the ‘correct’ views are praised and promoted beyond all reason.
Roy, was that some kind of anti-ad-hominem? Leo? A good actor? He’s really good at looking like he comprehends stuff. That steel-eyed glint, you know…that raised chin….the arms crossed in firm resolve…that ever-ever-so-slightly-raised chin…especially while cut-and-pasting with The Mann…[snip].
Whoa. That’s some acting!
DiCaprio does not seem worried about any imminent sea level rise.
[http]://www.restorativeislands.com/blackadore-caye/
[http]://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/blogs/fresh-concerns-raised-over-leonardo-dicaprios-eco-resort
Just use the URL without additional decorations like brackets: http://www.restorativeislands.com/blackadore-caye/
Check this too for more hints: https://wattsupwiththat.com/test/
Ric Werme wrote “Just use the URL without additional decorations like brackets”
The brackets keep the message out of moderation. More than one or two URL’s will automoderate; depending on the particular blog in question as little as one URL link will prevent posting. Plus, clicking on links is generally a bad idea anyway since what you see might not be where the link takes you. I include in my comment the relevant text anyway (most of the time) and the URL is just there to cite my source so y’all don’t think I’m just making it up (someone else is making it up!)
“When Leonardo DiCaprio isn’t starring in award-winning movies, he’s working to save the planet.”
From what?
[http]://www.ecowatch.com/leonardo-dicaprio-unveils-groundbreaking-eco-resort-in-belize-1882025721.html
Photosynthesis: Plants/Plankton turning Sunlight/CO2 into Food/Oxygen – the Foundation of Life on Earth. Neither animal nor blade of grass would exist, absent CO2. More CO2 extends growing seasons & lets plants move higher in altitude & Latitudes; just as it shrinks deserts, plants using H2O more efficiently. Rising temperatures also extend growing seasons, help babies of nearly every species, increase net rainfall & save lives. The Earth is greener, more fertile & life sustaining than it was 30 years ago.
Jeroen Bosch / Jheronimus Bosch / was a Genius painter, born 150 years or so before Rembrandt , I recently saw a lot of his paintings in the great Exhobition in the city of “Den Bosch” , or ‘s Hertogenbosch which is the offical Dutch name. Well: Di Caprio how dare you use this Genius in your Climate Change propaganda!
More suitable would have been this wintry LIA scene from Bosch’s younger 16th century compatriot Pieter Bruegel the Elder:
JohnVermeer,
Was at that exhibit too (is only about 100 km from where I live near the Dutch border): extremely interesting what he produced in that period…
But I also, like Chimp, prefer Pieter Bruegel as my favorite…
DiCapio’s movie is a superb example of climate folklore (science-free).
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/climate-folklore-on-halloween/
I wanted to see Leonardo freak out over being exposed to another Chinook. Oh well …
Thanks for the rehash Eric, if you ever make it to the Sleeping Bear area I’ll buy you a beer, or 3, at one of our fine local brew pubs, also have a guy down the road who smokes everything that used to be living, the turkey legs are out of this world.
Thanks Mrik, sounds amazing.