While attending a rally with Al Gore in Florida today, weather became climate.
Here is the video (h/t to WUWT commenter Alan Robertson)
Hillary Clinton later made the statement on Twitter:
We've always had destructive hurricanes, but Hurricane Matthew was likely more destructive because of climate change.
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 11, 2016
Followed by Al Gore saying:
“from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in just 36 hours, that’s extremely unusual”
Maybe, as I don’t have stats on that, but Matthew only spent 6 hours as a category 5 storm, the record was the “Cuba” hurricane in 1932 with 78 hours as a Cat5.
IMHO, @HillaryClinton is the right choice in this election if we care about solving the climate crisis. https://t.co/4Dkw0RKDfi
— Al Gore (@algore) October 11, 2016
What crisis? The worst hurricane ever to hit the USA was The Great Galveston Hurricane in 1900, which killed up to 6000 people, long before CO2 ever became an issue.
Today, we have an 11 year hurricane drought of Cat3 or greater failing to make landfall on the USA.
We have hurricane damage losses which are down:
We have hurricane and tropical storm frequency which is flat to slightly down.
And Tornado deaths are down too
Pardon my french, but WHAT CLIMATE CRISIS as they view it in weather terms? Their pitch of a load of bollocks!
Today’s Weather Is Hardly Unique
By Patrick J. Michaels
A recent study out of Princeton shows that whether people feel global warming is making hurricanes worse is more related to political predilections than reality, while global trends show no change. But what about global temperatures, Louisiana’s disastrous flood and California’s incandescent fire season?
Since satellites began measuring lower-atmosphere temperatures in 1979, the observed warming has been only one-third of what would have been forecast by today’s computer models, and the rate of surface warming has even slowed since the late 1990s, according to the new “homogenized” temperature history from the Commerce Department.
Glib attributions of recent weather (as opposed to ‘climate’) phenomena are more wishful than reality.
Make no mistake, though, carbon dioxide concentrations have increased and surface temperatures are high, compared with the last 150 years, and the three-dimensional patterns of change (latitude, longitude and altitude) are partially consistent with that increase. So, when there is a natural warming event, like the recent El Niño, it superimposes upon already warm temperatures and results in a record, globally and sometimes locally.
That’s hard to dispute. But glib attributions of recent weather (as opposed to “climate”) phenomena are more wishful than reality. Last month, Commerce Department scientists showed rain data vary so much that “no evidence was found for changes in extreme precipitation attributable to climate change in the available observed record.” What’s good for the U.S. is also good for Louisiana.
Another group of researchers, some with the same department, showed that California’s strong recent warming, which raises the likelihood of drought and enhanced wildfires, is best explained by oceanic temperature patterns from which any carbon dioxide signal had been removed.
And, are today’s high temperatures unique in human history? There’s strong evidence that the Arctic Ocean could have experienced long periods of ice-free summers for approximately four millennia after the end of the last ice age (6,000-10,000 years ago) and some evidence it was globally warmer 1,000 years ago, too.
That’s science, and not what we fear may be true based upon our personal philosophy.
And then there’s this: Why it seems that severe weather is “getting worse” when the data shows otherwise – a historical perspective
The moderation filter is really working overtime – my post saying Al Gore was wrong got blocked!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some idiot named Clinton wrote: “We’ve always had destructive hurricanes, but Hurricane Matthew was likely more destructive because of climate change.”
We moved to Central Florida just in time for Hurricane Donna in 1960. That monster storm was a major storm after it traveled half the darn state to hit us in Sanford. I recall it well.
That monster 1960 storm was far, far worse than the hurricane Mathew that did not even make landfall in Florida. And Mathew was made worse by Global Darn Warming???
She is an idiot.
To be an idiot implies some intelligence!
Phaedrus
My wife is an idiot, and i take offense at what you imply !
This is intellectual and social pollution. Most countries around the world are unfortunately polluted by this garbage. Our nations airline, majority owned by the state has signed up for the airline tax. They just fall into line or suffer trade restrictions.
This AGW stuff that Al Gore and Mrs Clinton froth about is in the same catagory as fast food, sugary drinks and prescription drugs. Makes some folk sick and others wealthy.
I have visited the USA many times and been to over 40 states, most multiple times. Nice folk that deserve better than this. I am hoping the Donald stops putting his foot in his mouth long enough to consolidate a lead.
The Gore / Clinton video is climate pornography, and should not be allowed here.
Also, Al Bore and Shrillary should hire someone to buy their clothes and dress them.
Richard Greene wrote:
Bad news… they already do have people for that.
Richard Greene
You did not know ? They both have clothing committees
Why are the climate scientists staying so mum?
They pretend to care so-much about the science and truth of global warming and climate change. Why don’t they correct the record on Hillary’s spouting?
Someone at NHC or NOAA went ballistic about Drudge questioning the wind velocity and raged against his “agenda.” Why don’t these people attack Hillary’s “agenda?”
Why aren’t the usual suspect “journalists” asking Gavin or Mann to address Hillary’s unfounded comments?
Michael Jankowski commented: “…Why are the climate scientists staying so mum?….Why aren’t the usual suspect “journalists” asking Gavin or Mann to address Hillary’s unfounded comments?…”
1. They’re concerned about losing their job.
2. There’s no media outlet that will carry their story.
markl, # 3. And losing funding.
asybot commented: “…markl, # 3. And losing funding….”
Good catch, and maybe the most important reason!
Im surprised that Gore was even able to get to Florida after his sea level rise predictions (without a time line), in his infamous movie.
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.com
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com
But everything Hillary says is so true.
Having those two sharing the same stage is perfect.
Classic con artists.
Dishonesty is their default position. small wonder weather confuses them.
The (Romney) 47% love it, and have probably turned into the 52%, so Trump has no chance…
Sorry.
Not according to the deplorable irredeemable masses.
We have before us a former politician who is personally making hundreds of millions of dollars promoting a fantastic theory that is contrary to common experience and whose effect is of a magnitude so small that it is close to the limit of detectability, The purported trend is not present in the raw data and only becomes apparent when people sympathetic to this politician’s cause, adjust the data using opaque methods.
Who could possibly be skeptical?
We now have the most accomplished liars in recent American politics involved in Climate Change: Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Al Gore. You can’t believe a word any of the four of them say. About Climate Change or anything else.
What an unsavory bunch of deceivers. Deceivers with a big Leftwing propaganda machine available to them. A machine that would try to take our freedoms away from us, if given the chance.
“We now have the most accomplished liars in recent American politics”
Yea buts only because Trumpy is not accomplished at it. He tells way more, but just gets caught every time.
Do you have an example of a lie Trump has told?
Trump may not be your cup of tea, but he’s not a liar, as far as I can see. If he was a liar, I would call him a liar.
And, you could ask me if I could produce any lies the Four Liars told. Believe me, I can. More than you or anyone would ever want to hear. It would take months to write it all up (in fact, I have spent years documenting these particular people’s lies on USENET’s polical discussion groups). Just about everything these four have said over the last 20 years has been a lie.
Trump is an Angel by comparison.
Just because you don’t want to believe it, doesn’t make it a lie.
As to being accomplished, you don’t have to be an accomplished liar when the press will echo everything you say without question.
According to the most recent wikileaks dump, the NYT gave Hillary veto privileges over any quotes that they print.
TA
“Do you have an example of a lie Trump has told?”
Yep. Come on give me a hard question. It’s more than one a day. Hell, could be one an hour.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/85276917/warren-buffett-releases-tax-returns-after-trumps-taxdodging-claim
Simon writes: “Yep. Come on give me a hard question. It’s more than one a day. Hell, could be one an hour.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/85276917/warren-buffett-releases-tax-returns-after-trumps-taxdodging-claim”
That’s your example? I figured you would dig up something, but I didn’t think you could find much, and I was right.
Trump may have been wrong about Buffett, but I wouldn’t call that a lie. I, personally, would also assume Buffett *did* take business losses off his taxes in the past, just as Trump did, but Warren says he never did, so I guess I’ll have to believe him until proven otherwise.
Maybe he took deductions that were not technically a “carryover”. I would still be surprised if Buffett never took a tax deduction for a business loss. I’m skeptical about that being true.
If Buffett has never taken a business tax deduction, he must be one of the few. The others Trump mentioned no doubt have taken tax deductions for business losses. Or do you have a link to Soros denying he takes tax deductions, too?
At any rate, this utterance of Trump is not a lie, it is an inaccuracy (if Buffett is to be believed) and does not have any impact on the U.S. economy or U.S. national security the way the lying by the Lying Four (Bill, Hillary, Obama, and Gore) does.
=Embellish, rinse, repeat.
So sad really,,,,,,,,
Beware the echo chamber. There are quite a few of us here, myself included, that express… distaste, for Mrs. Clinton. As of this moment, it very unfortunately looks like she is going to win the election.
SMC : “it very unfortunately looks like she is going to win the election.” she will not because we all have to go and vote against her, please change your attitude and get your friends and family to vote Trump.After listening to him tonight for a few minutes on FOX ( O’Reilly Factor) I am even more impressed with the guy.
He get’s it.
The people are sick of the establishment dictating what you and me are “allowed” to think and do without being able to object.
To me the best document ever written and put together , the US constitution, is on the verge of slipping away from everybody.
asybot
I don’t disagree with you. And yes, I’m voting for Trump.
“As of this moment, it very unfortunately looks like she is going to win the election.”
Just keep in mind who is making it look that way: The Leftwing Media and their anti-Trump feeding frenzy. It has a powerful effect on everyone.
Turn the Leftwing Media off, and reassure yourself by looking at the tens of thousands of people who are clamoring to get into Trump rallies all over the country. That is happening for a reason. And it is bigger than Trump (Brexit). Trump is just giving a voice to the frustrations out there.
TA commented: “…“As of this moment, it very unfortunately looks like she is going to win the election.”
…Just keep in mind who is making it look that way: The Leftwing Media and their anti-Trump feeding frenzy. It has a powerful effect on everyone…
+1 Look what it’s done for AGW so far. Everyone wants to vote for a winner and knowing who it will be beforehand makes it easy on the uninformed. The MSM news, especially polls, is designed to sway and not report.
The problem is that both candidates would be a disaster. For different reasons, but a disaster none the less.
Food for thought. Related to the message from the subjects in the post? Ya think?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/extinction-level-event
We will all have to wait a while.
The Russians are very clever and will undoubtedly be holding back on the real dirt they have on the totally obnoxious Mrs Clinton until after the election
From my experience of Russians, they are all good/excellent Chess-players, and so have the capacity to think of the ‘end-game’. Most Westerners, and most particularly Obama, are completely outwitted and out-manoeuvred by the Moscow elite.
Part of the problem is that going back to the days of the czar, politics in Russia have been life or death. Literally.
As a result those who play the political game in Russia have always been very good at it.
I have been saying for a long time that Russia may have hacked everything on HRC’s server, and are waiting for the election to have leverage over the President. Capitulate versus being exposed to face impeachment and prison.
That might work, except pressure for impeachment would require the news media to actually report on anything the Russians leaked.
Beyond that, as long as there more than 40 Democrats in the Senate, no Democrat will ever be impeached.
@MarkW – The House impeaches, so yes they will be impeached (Clinton was). But the Senate convicts and that requires 67, so the number is more than 33.
OK I agree; however It may become very dicey for her if she were exposed and that may be to our detriment.
The first question is whether it was Russia, Russians, or just someone else using one or more Russian servers that has/have been doing all the hacking of Democratic emails. If I remember correctly the Climategate emails were hacked (we thought) by an internal whistle blower and placed on a Russian server because it was impossible to determine who placed them on that server. I have also read about several independent (i.e., non government supported) Russians that are well know in the hacking community. My guess is that unless you have found the actual code for the hack and you can tie it to a particular person of group or you can trace it back through one or more Russian servers (which you supposedly cannot do) you really don’t have the foggiest idea who is doing it.
This whole “blame it on the Russians” and “the Russians are trying to influence our election” game that the Democrats are spinning appears to me to have the finger prints of Ben Rhodes all over it. I just hope they’re not setting us up for ‘rather unique administrative actions’ if the wrong side wins the election.
In some places yes, in other places no. Averaging temp readings from those places together is physically meaningless. So we really can’t say anything about the heat in the system based on temperature.
Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
A MUST READ exposing, with hard-data and empirical “science”, the standard lies and deceit about “climate change” so brazenly perpetuated by the ideological and agenda-driven climate change faithful.
Astonishing and dangerous deceit.
I looked for trends in total annual ACE of all hurricanes and did not find any.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2630932
As far as hurricanes, this one says it all:
http://policlimate.com/tropical/global_major_freq.png
Uh? Says what? That a fairly consistent % of all hurricanes are “Major”?
Mathew was never Category 5. Any NHC statement regarding Mathew wind speeds are not supported by observed facts. Mathew was Category 1 from NDBC buoy 42058 to the Bahamas. After the Bahamas, sustained wind speeds were never over 56 knots. Mathew sustained wind speeds from Florida to North Carolina were of tropical storm force, based on measurements by anemometer and by surface damage.
Thank God for a blog like this! The spectrum of well-educated, reasoned, straight-up views is constantly astonishing.
My only (difficult?) Q. is, how best to vault best our persuasive opinions into mainstream media?
WUWT is certainly on my radar-screen (and that of about 1% of the pop.?) but it’s (delightfully!) all over the place and disorganized in the context of — say — a Press Release of Received Wisdom from Honest Deniers.
If I left $1 m. in my will to WUWT, wd that move it fwd to a Denialist Lobby Forum with issue-by-issue clout in mainstream media?
Well given we have no operating budget as it is, it would certainly elevate the profile.
If science were explained to the average person in a way that is accessible
and exciting, there would be no room for pseudoscience. But there is a kind
of Gresham’s Law by which in popular culture the bad science drives out the
good. And for this I think we have to blame, first, the scientific community
ourselves for not doing a better job of popularizing science, and second, the
media, which are in this respect almost uniformly dreadful.
– Carl Sagan, The Burden Of Skepticism, The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 12, Fall 87
That’s something, considering all the bad science that Sagan propagated.
Everyone who reads this: PLEASE VOTE!!!
Obviously all readers of this site are well aware of the fact that there has been more than 4000 days since a major cat 3 9or higher) hurricane made landfall in the US and that if anything hurricane intensity is down over recent years, but whilst I am not impressed by the claims that GW has likely made Matthews more intense, I would like to see details of the sea surface conditions over which it passed.
To what extent has seawater surface temperature in the hurricane alley changed these past 30 years,. because presumably it is this change that must lie behind the warmist/activists claims.?
If Bob is around, perhaps he can post the data should he have it to hand.
Yes, that is the contempt the liberal democrats of this world treat their electorate to.
Maybe they are better educated than the plebs, bit it doesn’t make them better people.
Leo,
There are farmers here in West Virginia with more common sense in their big toe than any 10 academics combined. You don’t survive long in farming without it. Don’t think I wouldn’t knock them on education level either. There are an awful lot of BS’s, MS’s and PHD’s in the younger generation, mostly in the agricultural sciences, That’s what it takes to efficiently run a farm these days, especially with all hoops you have jump through held up by government regulations. The ‘ruling elite’ just haven’t figured that out yet.
Having Al Gore on Clinton’s side is yet another very good reason to vote for Donald Trump.
Al Gore accused by two more women of sexual assault.
http://www.businessinsider.com/two-more-women-accuse-al-gore-of-assault-2010-7
Former Vice President Al Gore has been hit by new allegations of sexual assault. This time, it’s two more massage therapists bringing the charges.
The former VP is already in hot water, fighting abuse claims in Portland, where another masseuse said Gore groped her in ’06 and asked her to perform a “chakra release” (massage-speak for “hand job”.) He denies everything.
The new allegations are said to have taken place at two hotels – one in Beverly Hills in 2007, when Gore was in Hollywood for the Oscars, the other in Tokyo in 2008.
A source from the luxury hotel in Beverly Hills told The Enquirer: “The therapist claimed that when they were alone, Gore shrugged off a towel and stood naked in front of her.” He then propositioned her for a sexual act, according to The Enquirer.