Paul Driessen writes:
University of Delaware climatology professor (and amateur history buff) David Legates offers some fascinating insights into a persuasive socio-economic experiment. His analysis could provide handy intellectual ammunition for ongoing battles between free enterprise-oriented Republicans and committed socialists in the Democratic camp.
What if we could destroy a country’s political and economic fabric through a natural disaster – or a war – and then rebuild one half of it using capitalism as its base, while the other rebuilds on a socialist foundation? David wonders. Let the virtues of each system work their magic, and then see where the two new countries are after fifty years. Actually, he says, we’ve already performed The Experiment. It’s post-war Germany – and the outcome ought to end the debate over which system is better.
The Experiment: Capitalism versus Socialism
What if we could have an experiment to compare the two systems? Wait – we already did.
David R. Legates
Experimentation is a major tool in the scientist’s arsenal. We can put the same strain of bacteria into two Petri dishes, for example, and compare the relative effects of two different antibiotics.
What if we could do the same with economic systems? We could take a country and destroy its political and economic fabric through, say, a natural disaster or widespread pestilence – or a war. War is the ultimate political and economic cleansing agent. Its full devastation can send a country back almost to the beginning of civilization.
We could then take this war-torn country and divide it into two parts. It would have similar people, similar climate, similar potential trading partners, similar geography – but one part is rebuilt using capitalism as its base, while the other rebuilds using socialism and its principles. We’d let the virtues of each system play out and see where these two new countries would be after, say, fifty years.
Don’t you wonder what the outcome might be? Well, as it turns out, we have already performed The Experiment. It’s post-war Germany.
Following the devastation of World War II, Germany was split into two parts. The German Federal Republic, or West Germany, was rebuilt in the image of the western allies and a capitalist legal-political-economic system. By contrast, the German Democratic Republic, or East Germany, was reconstructed using the socialist/communist principles championed by the Soviet Union. The Experiment pitted the market economy of the West against the command economy of the East.
On the western side, considering what’s being taught in our schools, one might expect that “greedy capitalism” would create a state where a few people became the rich elite, while the vast majority were left as deprived masses. Socialism, by contrast, promised East Germany the best that life had to offer, through rights guaranteed by the state, including “human rights” to employment and living wages, time for rest and leisure, health care and elder care, and guaranteed housing, education and cultural programs.
So the Petri dishes were set, and The Experiment began. In 1990, after just 45 years, The Experiment abruptly and surprisingly ended – with reunification back into a single country. How did it work out?
In West Germany, capitalism rebuilt the devastated country into a political and economic power in Europe, rivaled only by its former enemy, Great Britain. Instead of creating a rich 1% and a poor 99%, West Germans thrived: average West Germans were considerably wealthier than their Eastern counterparts. The country developed economically, and its people enjoyed lives with all the pleasures that wealth, modern technologies and quality free time could provide.
By contrast, East Germany’s socialist policies created a state that fell woefully behind. Its people were much poorer; property ownership was virtually non-existent amid a collectivist regime; food and material goods were scarce and expensive, available mostly to Communist Party elites; spies were everywhere, and people were summarily arrested and jailed; the state pretended to pay its workers, and they pretended to work. A wall of concrete, barbed wire and guard towers was built to separate the two halves of Berlin – and keep disgruntled Eastern citizens from defecting to the West. Many who tried to leave were shot.
By the time of reunification, productivity in East Germany was barely 70% of that in West Germany. The West boasted large, vibrant industries and other highly productive sectors, while dirty antiquated factories and outmoded farming methods dominated the East. Even staples like butter, eggs and chicken – abundant and affordable in West Germany – were twice as expensive in the eastern “workers’ paradise.”
Coffee was seven times more expensive, while gasoline and laundry detergent were more than 2½ times more expensive. Luxury items, like automobiles and men’s suits were twice as expensive, color televisions five times more costly. About the only staple that was cheaper in East Germany were potatoes, which could be distilled into vodka, so that lower caste East Germans could commiserate better with their abundant Russian comrades.
Moreover, state-guaranteed health care in the East did not translate into a healthier society. In 1990, life expectancy in the West was about 3½ years longer than in the East for men, and more than 2½ years longer for women. Studies found that unfavorable working conditions, psychological reactions to political suppression, differences in cardiovascular risk factors and lifestyles, and lower standards of medical technology in East Germany were largely responsible for their lower health standards.
The socialist mentality of full employment for everyone led to more women working in the East than in the West. This pressure resulted in better childcare facilities in East Germany, as mothers there returned to work sooner after giving birth and were more inclined to work full-time – or more compelled to work, to put food on the table, which meant they had to work full-time and run the household. This also meant East German children had far less contact with their parents and families, even as West Germans became convinced that children fared better under their mothers’ loving care than growing up in nurseries.
As the education system in East Germany was deeply rooted in socialism, the state ran an extensive network of schools that indoctrinated children into the socialist system from just after their birth to the university level. While it’s true that today East Germans perform better at STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) studies than their Western counterparts, that may be explained in part by the influx of numerous poorly educated immigrants to former West German areas, and the extensive money invested in the eastern region since reunification.
However, schools of the East were not intended to establish creative thinking, which results in creativity and innovation. Rather, they were authoritarian and rigid, encouraging collective group-think and consensus ideas, rather than fostering outside-the-box thinking, novel philosophies and enhanced productivity. Thus, East German technology was slow to develop and students were often overqualified for available jobs.
Did the East gain any advantage? Nudism was more prevalent in the East, if that was your thing. Personal interaction was higher too, because telephones and other technologies were lacking. But even though East Germany was much better off than other Soviet satellite countries (a tribute to innate German resourcefulness), East German socialism offered few advantages over its capitalist western counterpart. In fact, in the years since reunification, homogenization of Germany has been slow, due largely to the legacy of years lived under socialist domination, where any work ethic was unrewarded, even repressed.
Freedom was the single most important ingredient that caused West Germany to succeed. Freedom is the elixir that fuels innovation, supports a diversity of thought, and allows people to become who they want to be, not what the state demands they must be. When the government guarantees equality of outcomes, it also stifles the creativity, diversity, ingenuity and reward systems that allow people and countries to grow, develop and prosper. The Experiment has proven this.
These days in the United States, however, forgetful, unobservant and ideological politicians are again touting the supposed benefits of socialism. Government-provided health and elder care, free tuition, paid day care and pre-school education, guaranteed jobs and wages are all peddled by candidates who feel government can and should care for us from cradle to grave. They apparently think East German socialism is preferable to West German capitalism. Have they learned nothing from The Experiment?
A friend of mine believes capitalism is greedy and evil – and socialism, if “properly implemented,” will take us forward to realizing a better future. I counter that The Experiment proves society is doomed to mediocrity at best under autocratic socialism. Indeed, those who turn toward the Siren call of socialism always crash upon its rocks. But my friend assures me: “Trust me, this time it will be different.”
That’s what they always say. Perhaps Venezuela and Cuba are finally making socialism work?
David R. Legates, PhD, CCM, is a Professor of Climatology at the University of Delaware in Newark, Delaware. His views do not represent those of the University of Delaware.
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In 1990, before the fall of the wall, global abject poverty (the kind you die from, not the free phone variety) was at 39%. In 2013, after the fall of the great socialistic societies, it dropped to 10%. That over 2 billion people. Pretty much proves the point that capitalism is the best system….
After the war a bankrupt Britain received a third more Marshall Aid from America than West Germany – 2.7 billion dollars against 1.7 billion. Britain squandered it and Germany with no defence commitments modernised its industry and prospered.
Germany and to a lesser degree Japan modernized their industry (rebuild from ground up would be a better description.) while the in the US, we used the profits from our global domination of manufacturing to buy labor peace rather then modernize our factories.
And your mixing of verb tenses is proof positive of … ?
I think North Korea vs South Korea shows a very good example of Capitalism vs. Socialism… even though they get some help from socialist China…
If you’re not a liberal at 20, you don’t have a heart.
If you’re not a conservative at 40, you don’t have a brain.
Most 20 year olds have only ever experienced socialism: Their parents provided a roof over their head, kept their stomachs full, clothed them, etc, while the state educated them. Whether rich or poor, everything is provided for the young in a modern society.
By the time you get to 40, you’ve hard a hard dose of reality: Bills don’t pay themselves.
A nice idea. But you could argue that east and west Germany’s received different amounts of support from the rest of the world. Russia, supporting E Germany, was very poor and damaged after WW2, while America had a booming economy…
The decision pyramid is
________________civilized_______nomadic
_____________technology_______slavery
___________capitalistic_________feudalistic
_______freedom of will_________dogma
bet what wins.
Kindergarten.
Sadly nowadays children aren’t told basics.
Capitalism is the worst economic system we’ve evere tried, apart from all the other economic systems we’ve ever tried.
Socialism is the worst economic system we’ve ever tried.
I don’t think the motivation under capitalism is to contribute to society. The motivation is to make money. The contribution to society is a benefit of providing a product or service that people will use.
The only way to make money is to create a product that people want to buy.
That always benefits society.
Ask any businessman and they will tell you that they are looking for products and services that help people. Because people won’t spend good money on products that don’t.
Please explain video games.
Video games are items that people want to buy. They provide entertainment for those who enjoy them.
An item is not without value, just because you see no use for it.
The key is not so much how many services government provides as it is freedom to vote on financing those services and more importantly freedom of private ownership and personal incentive along with rewards for hard work and risked investment. Without personal freedom and personal incentive the entire structure crumbles.
The other experiment is the two Koreas. The entire peninsula was similar in almost every measure prior to the separation into the DPRK and the ROK. Today, the contrasts are particularly stark. The capitalist ROK leads the socialist DPRK in almost every criteria which one could use to measure the success of a society. I only know of one criteria where the DPRK leads. The DPRK has a much lower rate of obesity, although I doubt that many people would accept that the solution for obesity is malnutrition.
Wow… I have no words to describe this bullsh*t. Oh wait, I just did.
I wonder when will the author realize that “Government-provided health and elder care, free tuition, paid day care and pre-school education, guaranteed jobs and wages” which he considers leads to a Communist German outcome already exist and have existed for long in most of happy “Capitalist” Europe.
I love it when socialists actually think that the fact that their tottering economies haven’t collapsed yet is proof that socialism works.
…Socialism makes every one EQUALLY poor, except the liberal elite, of course….
From my years in socialism:
In capitalism, the shop sign says BUTCHER and inside is meat.
In socialism, the shop sign says MEAT and inside is butcher.
I know some bachelets. They’re freezing their butts off watching their son play football right now.
Hypothesis:
Rating productivity should yield the following
1) unimpeded capitalism
2) impeded capitalism
3) impeded socialism
4) unimpeded socialism
We have pre Cold War to measure impeded systems and we have Post cold war o measure systems.
I bet that research would bear this out to be true. Unimpeded socialism might be harder to find but perhaps the soviet satellite states that were not directly prevented from their socialist policies.
On the other hand, I believe that most socialists are simply ignorant of the world as a whole.
Once people remove their ignorance, I suspect they would understand that capitalism is very efficient at defeating poverty.
“Moreover, state-guaranteed health care in the East did not translate into a healthier society. In 1990, life expectancy in the West was about 3½ years longer than in the East for men, and more than 2½ years longer for women.”
If this is your standard, then former Soviet Satellite states (such as Romania) who are also part of the OECD already have lower infant mortality rates than the United States. They do not have higher life expectancy (yet), but the Socialized medical system is likely to get them there.
In the 34 member OECD, 30 of these nations have guaranteed health care of some form. 27 of those have higher life expectancy than the United States. The only ones who don’t are those former communist republics and the other three nations who do not have nationalized health care (Mexico, Turkey, and Chile). The United States has lower life expectancy than all of the Western Socialist Democracies.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U1zmkybMVng/VjD6JC-f02I/AAAAAAABEyo/69J6f9wL_c4/s1600/health-infant-mortality-rate-per-1000-live-births-oecd-2011.png
When you’re complaining about “Socialism” vs.”Capitalism” you should consider this data.
There are too many confounding factors to draw any conclusions at all from your data. The disparity in the numbers are the result of far more than the economic systems of the countries.
Norwegians in the US have a higher life expectancy than do the average American.
Is that because the Norwegians in the US are still using the Norweigan health care system, or is it just because culturally, the Norwegians in the US follow the same healthy lifestyle choices as do Norwiegans in Norway?
If you actually knew half of what you thought you knew, you still wouldn’t know anything.
PS: I’ve already dealt with the different ways different countries measure infant mortality.
Sheesh dude why don’t you spend a little time learning something instead of just repeating the propaganda you’ve been spoon fed.
Having lived in the East in the communnist era, I think I can comment. There were a few advantages with communnism, one of which was much more time to sit an chat. Because every business was overstaffed (staff were cheap) there was not much work to do. A scarf factory I went to had 5,000 employees. Can you imagine….!
On the downside, people on the streets were very rude – elbowing you into the gutter. Especially anyone who thought they had authority, they were just nasty. Conversely, if you were invited into someone’s house, you were treated like a king. I found that quite strange.
But the first Moscow car show was a sight to behold. The first Mercs, BMs and Rolls were there, and it was quite commical to see the local’s eyes popping out at the sight of their engines and internal luxury. They could not believe it. The Lada, Zil and Moscovich stands were completely empty.
R
Folks – let’s just boil it down to a single comparison: A Mercedes-Benz vs. a Trabant. Enough said.
No, let us go just a bit further.
Socialism (as today’s elites want it (as Communism does, every time they can get pwoer.)
The masses – Trabants.
Forced (rather, “only allowed to rent”) only 1 Trabant per worker, and that Trabant poorly maintained and running poorly with horrible emissions and short oil life using only the allowed amount of gas per month, paid from what is left of the workers’ wages (after “free” health care and “free” rent is deducted) (er, “not ever paid in the first place”) by taxes from the companies that are allowed to continue operating under the government control.
The new elite class – Granted the “privilege” of a free Mercedes and driver by their grateful government for “services rendered.”
The old elite class – One bullet to the back of each of his and her head, delivered after a short ride in a converted school bus to the nearest Katyn Forest ecological preserve.
What with the greatest and fasted economic change in history imminent there is a new model in the wind. It is being discussed even by hardened free market economists. EVERY adult gets a living wage from the state regardless.
When I have time I will discuss it further. Meantime, please don’t shoot the messenger
Ah yes, the free lunch model of economics.
I guarantee you, that as soon as everyone is guaranteed a wage, regardless of whether or not they work, nobody will be working.
The guaranteed wage is the dumbest idea to come down the pike since the nonsense of a minimum wage was foisted on the clueless.
In East Germany’s defense Russia stripped the country of pretty much everything of value as ‘reparations’ after WWII and turned them into a satellite state while we shoved money into West Germany to help them rebuild and turned them into a strong independent ally.
South Korea and pre reform China are better historical examples of why state run communism is a horrifically bad idea.
Well – the vision goes like this: In developed countries the models of capitalism and communism will become redundant. Machines will take over 30% + of all jobs within 20 years. Within 50 years maybe 75%. These jobs include those that are educated and of the middle class. What to do?
Meantime, the current economic model requires an ever increasing intake of young, through immigration. We are walking towards a cliff.
The idea is that mankind through its innovation makes the machines work for the benefit of all citizens of a country. No more social welfare departments. Imagine the cost savings. Probably a lot less mental health problems too. Yes, there would be the couch potatoes. but with freed up time the inventiveness and motivation of us humans would kick in. Those that want to re-educate and work would still reap the benefits of their work. Education would need to be free.
Yes, it sounds crazy but if we really look forward, not quite so.
If you include a flat rate of tax, say a sales tax / gst / vat, you make another massive govt dept redundant too.
“If you include a flat rate of tax, say a sales tax / gst / vat, you make another massive govt dept redundant too.”
Yup – the capitalist financial system would stay in place. Countries would still compete against each other. Education and innovation would be essential to stay ahead. Machines are shifting manufacturing back from low-wage countries. Hell, they are even saying that robots and artificial intelligence can do much of the routine work of lawyers.
For the record, this concept was published by The Economist magazine – one that is very pro free-market.
100 years ago, 90% of the population worked on farms.
Thanks to mechanization, only about 1% does today.
As old jobs are lost, new jobs are created.
Beyond that, thanks to automation everything gets cheaper.
The reason why we have a 40 hour week today instead of the dawn to dusk, 7 days a week that our ancestors dealt with, is entirely because of automation and machinery.
The Economist hasn’t been pro-free market in decades.
So socialism is the government spending money on people and infrastructure and capitalism is the government spending money on a military and military adventurism. Go t to keep the world safe for mega corporations to rape an pillage.
You might want to do some basic research on how North Korea spends its money. And while you’re at it, compare the infrastructures of any capitalist country to any socialist country.
The hatred is great in this one.
Please try to talk to any one of the 120 million killed by socialist/communist governments since the first Russian revolution in 1900. (Hint: These 120 million victims of socialism are all dead.) On the other hand, the “capitalist” military you disparage so willingly protected the survivors of two world wars and a fifty year long cold war against Communist aggression-murdering smaller wars to protect their future victims against the communist-socialists so they could remain free to choice. By the way, the millions murdered in tribal warfare in Africa are all armed with communist weapons, and their leaders were trained by communist-socialist funded camps, with most now back in communist-socialist tribal “nations” of immoral laws with nothing but “My might makes me right” “civilizations” of continual fighting. That the western universities teaching you and their propaganda arms in the mainstream media then became socialist platforms is not the fault of the military, but of the media itself.
When the billion China workers are free, and not slaves for a dictatorship, you may say something. Until then, I will consider you no more than a “useful fellow traveler” guilty of the millions of Ukrainian and Cambodian and Vietnamese and Russian and eastern Europeans your ideals have murdered.
How many millions have been murdered by capitalist regimes ?
None
DId you wake up this stupid, or did you have some help from professional educators.
BTW, mega corporations don’t rape and pillage, they leave that to governments.
“…mega corporations don’t rape and pillage..”
But, they do plunder.
10 corporations own all the world’s major food brands:
Massive corporations squash entrepreneurial diversity and make it nearly impossible for startups and small businesses to compete.
https://food.good.is/articles/food-brands-owners?utm_source=bw&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=pd
There are now some 150 multi-national companies, which account for nearly half the total capitalisation of all firms. Three quarters of these belong to the financial sector.
http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/tesfatsi/RethinkingEconomicsUsingComplexityTheory.DHelbingAKirman2013.pdf
What’s your definition of plunder? Not give it away for free?
You have it completely backwards, it’s government and government regulations that make it hard for startups. There is nothing a big company can do without government help, to hinder their competition.
If you think it’s possible for 150 firms, in many different industries to collude, than you have no concept of reality.
All this talk about socialism and capitalism and not one comment about fascism?
Really.
Just where do you think the US is today?
Fascism is just another form of socialism.
“This also meant East German children had far less contact with their parents and families, even as West Germans became convinced that children fared better under their mothers’ loving care than growing up in nurseries.”
Yes, the basis of human intelligence in the earliest stages is in truth the result of loving, lifelong bonds with the parents. This is what the Attachment Theory of brain development shows.
These reliable, attuned relationships allow the child’s brain to organize itself, modulate emotions, and go through the proper stages of innocence and childhood. With emotional stability during the development of the brain, the full cognitive energy can be devoted to pre-frontal learning. Without stable emotional bonds, the child suffers constant setbacks from repairing after catastrophes.
So why did the Boomers destroy marriage, and why do they continue to do so from every side?
Does anyone here honestly think that a free society will produce the same resourceful, prosperous results if you also add the destruction of motherhood, and the second sex-drugs-occult revolution (which is now upon us)? Well that is the new Grand Social Experiment. So everyone needs to pay attention to what it is really like in a world where no one bonds and every one is on drugs.
Men here in the US wanted to make things better for their wives and children. Of course, the innovation happened within the context of equality under the law and in the context of literacy, and of being able to file a patent and borrow money to bring something new to market or to improve private property. But I think it is also important that it was also all for love, in lifelong bonds. The motive of love for one,s own family surely played a huge roll in the scientific inventions which the free, open, Protestant countries developed FOR USE IN EVERYDAY LIFE. That means for the women to have appliances and pickup trucks, and for the kids to have toys.