After Brexit, Clexit

Harmful, Costly, Unscientific Climate Treaties should be torn up

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Summary Statement by Viv Forbes, Founding Secretary of Clexit

A new international organisation aims to prevent ratification of the costly and dangerous Paris global warming treaty which is being promoted by the EU and the present US administration.

CLEXIT” (CLimate Exit) was inspired by the Brexit decision of the British people to withdraw from the increasingly dictatorial grasp of the EU bureaucracy.

Before any real publicity or recruiting, Clexit has attracted over 60 well-informed science, business and economic leaders from 16 countries.

The secretary of Clexit, Mr Viv Forbes from Australia, said that widespread enforcement of the Paris climate treaty would be a global tragedy.

“For the EU and the rest of the Western world, ratification and enforcement of the Paris Treaty (and all the other associated decrees and Agendas) would herald the end of low-cost hydrocarbon transport and electricity, and the exit of their manufacturing, processing and refining industries to countries with low-cost energy.

“For developing countries, the Paris Treaty would deny them the benefits of reliable low-cost hydrocarbon energy, compelling them to rely on biomass heating and costly weather-dependent and unreliable power supplies, thus prolonging and increasing their dependency on international handouts. They will soon resent being told to remain forever in an energy-deprived wind/solar/wood/bicycle economy.

“Perhaps the most insidious feature of the UN climate plan is the “Green Climate Fund”. Under this scheme, selected nations (“The rich”) are marked to pour billions of dollars into a green slush fund. The funds will then be used to bribe other countries (“developing and emerging nations”) into adopting silly green energy policies.

“Naturally some smart politicians and speculators in the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) and in the small island nations understand that they can profit from the Paris Treaty by gaming the rules on things like carbon credits, or milking the green fund for “climate compensation” or “green energy technology”. This will only work for a while, and when the handouts stop, the re-adjustment to reality will be very painful.

“This UN-driven war on carbon energy has already caused massive losses and dislocation of western industry. If allowed to continue as envisaged by the Paris Treaty, this economic depression will become world-wide, and all nations will suffer.

“We must stop this futile waste of community savings; cease the destruction and dislocation of human industry; stop killing rare bats and birds with wind turbine blades and solar/thermal sizzlers; stop pelletising trees and shipping them across the world to feed power stations designed to burn coal; stop converting food to motor vehicle fuel; and stop the clearing of bush and forests for biofuel cultivation and plantations.”

“Carbon dioxide does not control the climate. It is an essential plant food and more carbon dioxide will produce more plant growth and a greener globe.”

More detail is given in “The Clexit Founding Statement” that follows.

Viv Forbes
Rosevale Qld Australia
vforbes@clexit.net
+61 754 640 533

 

The Clexit Founding Statement

If the Paris climate accord is ratified, or enforced locally by compliant governments, it will strangle the leading economies of the world with pointless carbon taxes and costly climate and energy policies, all with no sound basis in evidence or science. These destructive policies are already killing real industry while enriching the huge artificial and parasitical climate-change industry that thrives on bureaucracy, mis-directed government research, law books of costly regulations, never-ending conferences and subsidies for promoters of the failing technologies of renewable energy.

And all the time, government media and their allies dominate the political debate by trumpeting forecasts of doom, endlessly repeating the “right” messages, and making sure that dissident views are censored or ridiculed without right of recourse.

For the EU, their heavily subsidised wind and solar power will always deliver intermittent and erratic supply at great cost. This will produce periodic surges of oversupply which destabilise the grid and temporarily depress electricity prices, leading to losses and closures of reliable generators. At other times (and every still night), wind and sun will produce minimal or zero power, causing very high electricity prices and increasing the chances of brownouts and blackouts. To avoid blackouts governments and/or consumers are forced to fund diesel, gas or coal plants to remain on standby or as spinning reserves until needed. Funding these subsidies for renewables and the backups needed for them is producing crippling electricity prices (doubled in the past decade). It is also harming consumers (especially the poor) and causing financial crises for those governments who try to shield some businesses and consumers from the real energy costs.

Aluminium smelters and steel works have already closed or relocated to countries not mesmerised by the climate scam. Other industries will follow. Poland is resisting these suicidal industrial policies, and even Germany is recognising the danger by introducing subsidies to keep its industrial base.

Just one long cold European winter, with a few heavy snowfalls and a succession of still, frosty nights will produce the blackouts which will shock Europe into energy reality and bring the Paris energy follies to an end. In the last such winter, thousands of people died in Britain from cold as they could not afford home heating.

Some politicians and promoters in the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) think they can profit from the Paris accord. They hope to continue gaming the system by selling carbon credits of doubtful authenticity on an already corrupt market, and demanding climate reparations and technology transfers from the West, while remaining free to build their own clean modern and efficient coal/gas/nuclear/hydro energy grid. Their reliable low-cost power is already attracting electricity-intensive industries fleeing from the soaring power costs in the West. However, they forget that if Western energy stupidity provokes a world financial crisis, the global economy will slump and all nations will suffer.

Some of the biggest supporters of the Paris accord are small oceanic nations seeking welfare through handouts to save them from baseless predictions of rising sea levels, even though actual changes in sea levels are tiny and not unusual.

The fact is that sea level rise in Tuvalu has been effectively zero since accurate measurements commenced in 1993, on tide gauges set up by the Australian government:

http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70056/IDO70056SLI.pdf

These climate handouts will cease suddenly as energy reality bites and current politicians in the West are thrown out of office. When this happens, the shock of losing easy money will damage these island nations far more than the gently oscillating oceans. They do have real problems needing attention, but rising seas is not one of them.

The EU is a driving force promoting green energy, environmental extremism, world carbon taxes and global control by unelected bureaucrats. Brexit was Britain’s answer to the growing over-reach of EU bureaucracies. Clexit is our answer to the push for global control through climate hysteria.

The Clexit Campaign aims to prevent ratification or local enforcement of the UN climate treaty. Nations should not tolerate UN and EU bureaucrats manipulating science in order to justify their dreams to redistribute wealth and revert to the central planning that enslaved and impoverished the old command economies.

This vicious and relentless war on carbon dioxide will be seen by future generations as the most misguided mass delusion that the world has ever seen.

Carbon dioxide is NOT a dangerous pollutant – it is a natural, non-toxic and beneficial gas which feeds all life on earth. Its increasing concentration is improving the environment, not harming it.

Carbon dioxide is also an insignificant player in global warming. Its so-called “greenhouse effect” is far smaller than that of atmospheric water vapour and, because this effect declines logarithmically as carbon dioxide levels rise, most of its small impact on surface temperature is already exhausted.

Carbon dioxide was unable to prevent the cyclic repetition of the Pleistocene Ice Ages or the Little Ice Age, and there was no human industry to create the warm climate optima of Egyptian, Minoan, Roman or Medieval times (the Earth was generally warmer than today at these past peaks). Man-made carbon dioxide did not cause the heat waves of the 1930’s or the fears of global cooling in the 1970’s. It plays no part in creating our short term weather. It does not drive ocean currents, El Nino, the Milankovitch cycles, the sun spot cycles or the eras of volcanism.

In the big climate picture, carbon dioxide hardly registers except in discredited UN/IPCC computer models.

Global warming has occurred naturally many times in the past and is not to be feared – it is not controlled by carbon dioxide or humans.

More carbon dioxide is already greening the planet as it has done in the past. Warming oceans always expel more moisture and more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and these two gases-of-life always encourage plant growth and produce a verdant globe.

It was the cold, dry ice ages that created frigid deserts, life-smothering ice sheets, retreating oceans and massive losses for all life forms. Cold oceans also drain the atmosphere of carbon dioxide thus creating starvation stress for all plants. A warm globe always supports more life. The human race, the forests and the coral reefs have far more to fear from global cooling.

The world must abandon this suicidal Global Warming crusade. Man does not and cannot control the climate. Climate and weather are always changing, but apart from cyclic spikes of El Nino warming, there has been no measurable warming for twenty years.

It would be far better to spend some of the trillions being spent on the climate crusade to ensure that our infrastructure can cope with whatever weather extremes do occur; or tackling some real world problems such as terrorism, displaced people, water supply, urban air and water pollution, garbage and landfill.

If the UN/EU persists in this climate madness, the rest of the world must support Clexit.

Neither national, state or local governments should support, sign, enforce or waste public funds on any of the job-killing climate agreements, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, Habitat 3 or any other foreign agendas transferring real power and wealth from elected nationals to unelected international bureaucracies.

To see the initial Clexit Committee and the list of Founding Members see:
http://clexit.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/clexit-members.pdf

This document was prepared by Viv Forbes
with considerable help and feedback from the Clexit Committee and members.
13 July 2016

Further information from
Viv Forbes: +61 754 640 533
Bryan Leyland – New Zealand +64 940 7047

More Reading:
Australians say we need Clexit:
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/06/28/austrailians-declare-after-brexit-we-need-clexit-from-un-climate-agreement/

Good news. The Paris Agreement has been ratified by Nations representing just 0.18% of global emissions:
http://unfccc.int/2860.php

More good news. Brexit is likely to make climate change actions more difficult:
http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=c920274f2a364603849bbb505&id=1d078e6437&e=e1638e04a2

And the good news continues – Britain abolishes the Department of Energy And Climate Change (DECC):
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/14/britains-new-prime-minister-drives-a-stake-through-the-heart-of-the-green-vampire

Countering Global Warming:
http://www.nzcpr.com/countering-global-warming/

But the Banks are fixated on the money flows:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/16/bank-of-england-governor-mark-carney-climate-is-a-7-trillion-opportunity/

Agenda 2030 and Paris 2016 – the UN/ICC plan to control the world:
http://carbon-sense.com/2016/07/17/a-summary-of-betrayal/
https://undg.org/home/undg-mechanisms/sustainable-development-working-group/the-sustainable-development-goals-are-coming-to-life/

But the green tide may be turning:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/18/un-accuses-germany-britain-of-betraying-the-paris-climate-accord/

And some people are already having second thoughts:
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/duterte-wont-honour-climate-change-pledge-calls-it-absurd

As Denmark finds wind power too expensive:
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2016/07/20/for-denmark-read-south-australia/#comments

And Renewable Energy fiascos are blowing the Paris ship off course:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/business/energy-environment/how-renewable-energy-is-blowing-climate-change-efforts-off-course.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2FEconomic%20Scene&action=click&contentCollection=Economy&module=Collection&region=Marginalia&src=me&version=column&pgtype=article&_r=0

More Green Energy Disasters:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/finance/2011/november/spains-green-disaster-a-lesson-for-america/?mobile=false
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/14/europes-energy-crisis-poses-warning-u-s/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/green-power-projects-hit-unexpected-hurdles-1.1058196

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105 thoughts on “After Brexit, Clexit

    • CLEXIT should mean freeing oneself from an unelected, destructive international bureaucracy like the UN, as BREXIT meant Britain freed itself from unelected, destructive international bureacrats when they voted to leave the EU.

    • One mistake that Forbes made. This is an agreement, not a Treaty. Obama was very careful to have it worded this way. If it was a treaty, it would have to be approved by the US Congress (which it won’t). This is Obama’s sneaky way of bypassing congress oversight, by not officially calling it a treaty, but inferring that it is binding.

      • Congress, or more specifically the U.S. Senate, may still call the “agreement” up for a vote, and if it loses, it is just as dead as if the President had called it a treaty and submitted it to the Senate.

  1. Thanks for all the links at the bottom Anthony, many of which I have missed. It appears there is reason for optimism.

    • “The way of the swaztica” is the Bön which is the indigenous religion of Tibet which is similar to Buddhism. Most Bön practitioners are regarded as Buddhists these days. Bön was the official religion of Tibet prior to 800 CE. I have severe disagreements with Wiki on the topic of Tibetan religion prior to 1100 CE.

    • The swastika is an ancient eastern symbol for luck. So, you are right, we are lucky to get away from this climate scam.

      • Thanks Phillip for demonstrating that the poster does not actually look like any existing exit sign.

        I didn’t the swastikas ( such associations are usually in the eye – or mind – of the beholder ) but since Brexit was incorrectly cast as a xenophobic, right-wing movement by those who did not agree with it, I don’t doubt that similar distortions and lies will be thrown at CLexit.

        Also the figures are fairly awfully drawn. A remake of the poster with something closer to the little green men ( that will annoy the greens ) with one straighter leg would be a good idea.

      • Greg, they do seem to be in almost the exact same pose as the EU exit sign. Third picture down on the right in the link. The only difference is a slightly raised arm to hold the flags and these are leaning more forward.

        Given the nature of the picture, it was probably drawn in Paint or something similar by a non-artist using a nearby exit sign for the pose reference.

    • The really worrying thing about the cartoon is that the flag popularly known as the Union Jack appears to be upside down.

      • We’ll raise a glass and toast the good health and success of all who attend the New Dawn Of Truth: London Climate Change Conference 2016, esp Viv Forbes for his launching of Clexit.

        Finally someone I like gets appointed the position of founding secretary.

        This never happens to me!

  2. Very happy to see this, but Viv will be totally chopped by the Australian (and other) MSM outlets. He should probably emigrate as I can honestly see him being threatened with harm by Green groups.

    I, on the other hand, am very happy to see common sense beginning to appear.

    • +, as there seem to be loads of petitions aimed at reducing “global warming”, maybe lots of petitions promoting Clexit. Common sense this might be but really since when have the rich & powerful been blessed with that, they’re only interested in how much easy dosh they can make out of us “plebs”.Good Luck with it, though.

  3. Only the clever ones will Clexit. Australia won’t be one of them, unfortunately, because of our stupid, half-wit mainstream politicians. That is unless One Nation can do deals in the Senate. So glad I voted for them.

    • Nor will most of the current strongest economies, except china and india and they wont exit because they could be net receivers of UN climate funds. The rest of the west are now ‘progressive’ governments (another word for socialist).

  4. South Australia is already in trouble with manufacturing industry leaving or preparing to and you have to wonder if their high cost of energy has anything to do with it .

  5. I’m proud to say that I voted for Brexit.
    My main reasons were based on considerations of freedom and democracy. But the probability of being free from EU climate policy is also a big plus.
    I would definitely vote for Clexit as well!
    Chris

  6. ozone depletion and AGW might have remained a scientific curiosity were it not for the tragedy that they served the UNEP’s bureaucratic purpose of increasing their size, budget, power, and scope.
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2794991

    The success of the UNEP in capitalizing on these faux crises has encouraged all UN agencies, regardless of their original purpose, to morph into agents of climate change hysteria. A case in point is the UNDP which was originally tasked with eradicating poverty. In the new UN of the climate change era it is now a climate change warrior. A complete CLEXIT may require an exit from the UN.
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2812034

    Perhaps we could shut down the UN and design something new and workable with constraints, accountability, and oversight just as we had shut down the League of Nations and started anew with the United Nations, Conceptually, the UN is a creature of the post-war world and is somewhat of a dinosaur.

    • Never trust a bureaucracy! A despot may be actually better. At least you may know who to blame:s

      Cheers

      Roger

  7. Correct me if I’m wrong, but is any of this necessary? The actions under the Paris agreement are purely voluntary. The only enforcement mechanism I’ve heard of them trying to impose is some kind of pitiful ‘name and shame’ system. All we need to do is ignore it (both the agreement and the naming).

    Most countries have already been named and shamed for far worse things (invasions of foreign countries, human rights violations, torture, Geneva Convention violations etc) and these barely make a blip in the political context a few months after the scandal (if any).

  8. ” “Perhaps the most insidious feature of the UN climate plan is the “Green Climate Fund”. Under this scheme, selected nations (“The rich”) are marked to pour billions of dollars into a green slush fund. The funds will then be used to bribe other countries (“developing and emerging nations”) into adopting silly green energy policies.”

    And, of course, since these countries are known to have zero corruption, they can be sure that 100% of it gets spent on the intended green policies.

    I once talked to a nurse (Australian) who had volunteered to help in Sri Lanka after the 2004 tsunami there. She said the tons of medical supplies she and fellow volunteers desperately needed (and donated by rich countries) were guarded by armed guards until the medical supplies could be re-sold for a profit. She was actually assigned to distract one of the guards until a colleague could steal something from the stack to help the injured.

  9. This is OT but might be of interest to those in the high latitudes
    “CME embedded in a high-speed solar wind stream hit Earth’s magnetic field during the late hours of Aug. 2nd,… colorful lights were sighted over Estonia, Germany, Denmark, and Sweden, NOAA forecasters say there is a 55% chance of additional storms on Aug. 3rd”
    9hr Kp index=5 , 3hr Ap =55 major storm, Bz peak =500nT (caused 1% positive swing in the earth magnetic field)

  10. Please change to human kind instead of

    A warm globe always supports more life. The
    human race,
    the forests and the coral reefs have far more to fear from global cooling

  11. This is off topic but a note for Steve, the cartoonist, that the flags for France, Sweden, Norway and Britain should have the flagpoles placed to the left, and not the right as shown.

  12. It’s telling that an US blog is needed showing the EU what thei’re doing. Priceless.

    The EU is a driving force promoting green energy, environmental extremism, world carbon taxes and global control by unelected bureaucrats. Brexit was Britain’s answer to the growing over-reach of EU bureaucracies. Clexit is our answer to the push for global control through climate hysteria.

  13. Helpful, cheap and scientific climate treaties aren’t necessarily good either. There are some things you just need to find a better way of doing and, unless it’s stopping fighting, if it’s worth doing, you probably don’t need a treaty to do it and you definitely don’t need to surrender sovereignty, freedom or well being.

    • We don’t need climate treaties to save the world from climate change. It’s mostly natural and there isn’t much of anything we can do to stop the weather.

  14. Rather than running away in unison as shown, I think a likelier outcome will be lines of disheveled, hungry people shuffling away from the treaty… kind of like what is seen with Venezuelans crossing the border into Columbia with the hope of finding food. The sheepful masses won’t do anything until the carbon refuse hits the fan.

    I hope I’m wrong.

  15. You Americans had the solution to a Clexit strategy, but you managed to ruin it with your crazy political system which promotes presidential candidates, not on ability, but on how much money and influence they have and perhaps even on how controversial they are. That applies equally to both sides, but Cllnton being a politician, albeit a corrupt one, is managing not to upset as many people. At the moment, it looks like Clinton is going to romp into the White House and take with her the incumbent’s dogma on climate policy. It need not have been as Trump is probably the most outspoken opponent of the climate change farce. But with all the people that he is upsetting in the US and throughout the world plus all the infighting within the Republican Party, his chances of getting to the White House seem day by day to become more and more remote.
    Had he managed to get to the White House, and having the majority with him in Congress, he could have shown two fingers to the climate change fraternity, sacked the EPA and could have lead the developed world away from this train crash. I am sure that the UK and Australia and probably even Germany and many other European and Commonwealth governments are just looking for someone to lead them out of it because individually, they don’t have the courage to defy the Green Blob and the Climate Change lobby.

    • “But with all the people that he is upsetting in the US and throughout the world plus all the infighting within the Republican Party, his chances of getting to the White House seem day by day to become more and more remote.”

      That is certainly the narrative the Left and the Leftwing News Media are trying to sell.

      Trump does cause himself a lot of unnecessary trouble, but he’s a fighter, and his first instinct is to fight back when attacked. Must be the New Yorker in him. He should follow Newt’s advice though, and concentrate on hitting Hillary and Obama and ignore all the nattering nabobs below that.

      I think Trump has more silent support than is being shown to us. Trump is getting enormous crowds at his events. I read that Hillary spoke to a half-filled room yesterday.

      This election is far from over. The Left is going to do their best to smear Trump in any way they can. Smearing Republicans is standard operating procedure for the Left, no matter who the Republican is. But the debates will be the deciding factor, and I think Trump is going to win them. He has so much ammunition to use against Hillary. And unlike Romney, who failed to challenged Obama in the debates, Trump won’t be afraid to bring up all of Hillary’s mistakes, at the debates.

      We better hope he wins because it will be a disaster for the whole world, if he does not.

      The problem in the United States is we are having a tug-of-war between those on the Right who believe in traditional Amercan values, and the other side, those on the Left, that believes in traditional South American values i.e. Socialism.

      The Left has imported so many socialist into the U.S. from south of the border, over the years, that they have managed to get very close to outnumbering the votes on the Right.

      The only way the Right can win the election is if *all* the voters on the Right turn out and vote, plus Independents must also vote for the Right, if they are to win. The Left is trying to outnumber the Right with their open borders policies and they are doing a pretty good job of it.

      Trump does have a few things going for him. Independents have consistently shown support for him, and even new immigrant American voters need good jobs, and don’t necessarily want more illegal immigrants flooding into the U.S. to take what few jobs there are. Plus, Trump is a winner and people like winners.

      Big consequences coming our way in the near future. We will either get a needed reset of our way of doing things, or we will continue the decline of our nation’s economy and national security.

      • Just remember that it is early August, what is said now, what the polls say and what the talking heads say will be forgotten by Nov. The important time is from mid Oct on because that is when most people finally start paying attention.

      • I don’t wish to make this a discussion on left and right wing politics. I made my comments because I think that Trump is probably the only potential leader who could deliver a Clexit at this time, perhaps because of his fresh attitude to politics and having a complete disregard for what others think of him, and as such I do admire that in his character. It saddens me therefore that he is just impossible to support. I would be branded a racist and misogynist in the UK if I did support him and with some justification. In the UK, the leader of UKIP was vilified just for showing an actual photo of Syrian refugees in a long que waiting to get into Europe on a campaign leaflet during the Brexit campaign. If Trump did get into power, how would he then deal with the disharmony that would result in the US if he did follow his policies through and how would he be able to deal diplomatically with leaders from Arabian and other Muslim countries.
        Now that he has won the nomination, this should be the time that he tones down the rhetoric, but he seems incapable of doing that. And the evidence of his own party’s attitude to him belies the fact of it all being down to distorted reporting from the left wing media. He may have many supporters at his meetings, but so does Corbyn, the Trotskyite leader of the Labour Party, whose popularity among young activists and old Communists means that he cannot be unseated from his leader’s role, but he will never achieve power.

      • Colin Porter says:

        If Trump did get into power, how would he then deal with the disharmony that would result in the US if he did follow his policies through .

        “DUH”, no one on the winning side really gives a damn about any “disharmony that will surely result” regardless of who wins the POTUS job.

        And also said:

        and how would he be able to deal diplomatically with leaders from Arabian and other Muslim countries.

        And, IMHO, that was an utterly silly, if not decidedly stupid, question to be asking.

        “DUH”, one should deal “diplomatically” with leaders from Arabian and other Muslim countries by politely telling where “the bear defecates in the buckwheat” ….. and iffen they don’t like it …… then they can lump it.

      • Colin,

        Try being at least a little bit skeptical of what the mass media presents to you, I suggest. Regardless of whether or not Mr. Trump has a bigoted bone in his body, I have no doubts whatsoever about him being right when he calls out our mass media for being horribly corrupt and dishonest, for the most part.

        “In the UK, the leader of UKIP was vilified just for showing an actual photo of Syrian refugees in a long que waiting to get into Europe on a campaign leaflet during the Brexit campaign.”

        Yeah . . just bear that in mind while watching the TV talking heads acting like everyone is ever so upset about Mr. Trump not being PC enough. And bear in mind that the CAGW is treated as settled science by the same folks who portray him as a racist xenophobe . . It means they’re very worried, not confident he has no chance, I am quite sure.

        Stay skeptical, my friend ; )

      • Colin wrote: “And the evidence of his own party’s attitude to him belies the fact of it all being down to distorted reporting from the left wing media.”

        I saw a Republican “Never-Trumper” on Fox tonight, and he repeated every Leftwing negative talking point about Trump as his justification for not supporting Trump.

        You see, too many elite Republicans live and breath on what the Leftwing Media says. If the Leftwing Media says it, it must be true, they think. BTW, everyone of those talking points could be explained, if someone were willing to listen. Trump has explained all of them, including saying John McCain is a hero for his military service (one of the talking points).

        This year’s U.S. election, and Trump’s involvemet, is an attempted overthrow of the U.S. political status quo.

        Many Republicans are among that status quo, and are fighting back against the change agent, Trump. But Trump is going to more than make up for their lack of support with support from a lot of groups Republicans would not normally get. For example, I saw a report tonight that Trump was polling 20 percent among African American in one poll, which is a low number, but a high number for a Republican (usually around 14 percent).

        The desire for Big Change in the U.S. is YUGE!

        If Trump can stay on message, he will win the election. The Left will do their best to get him off message and trash his character, as they are doing now, because they can’t win on the issues, so they will make Trump the issue.

        I think Trump was surprised at how dishonest the Leftwing News Media can be. He has gotten a rude awakening, but he has also seen the light. :)

        About 94 more days to the election.

    • ‘But with all the people that he is upsetting in the US…’

      To be fair to Trump – who is admittedly no wallflower – the gulf between what he actually says, and what gets reported is damn-near infinity. And the people he’s upsetting are pretty much always upset.
      Any candidate coming from the right would have gotten the same labeling treatment – it’s just more histrionic and hysterical because Trump actually has a following with a little charisma to go with it, and they perceive him as a threat. Not just the Progressives but the establishment Republicans who have their own seat at the public trough.
      So, in fairly typical fashion, they attack the threat.

      • All entrenched politicians fear an outsider because they just may expose all the unlawful shenanigans that have been going on on both sides for decades.

      • Tom: I’m in Oregon – single party rule since I was in highschool (class of ’86) – and our state is a thesis statement on ‘power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely’. Just recently our Governor, John Kitzhaber, was forced to leave office for corruption – and replaced by appointee Kate Brown, who famously said (when she was overseeing the previous elections) that she had to hang on to extra ballots after election night because destroying them and protecting them were ‘conflicting orders’ and ‘we might need them later.’

        Considering what has slipped through the cracks, I can’t even imagine what a true investigative probe into the last thirty years of our state would reveal. Check that: I can IMAGINE it alright, and the implications are frightening.

        Imagine what would happen if there was an honest, outside ‘clearing of the air’ on the Federal level.

        No wonder the establishment is four-square against Trump. I’ve said it before: All the right people seem to hate him.

      • ..Maybe liberal left weenies should stop worrying about “Safe Spaces” on campus and actually go to college to get an education that will get them a job..not a “Feel Good” attitude !

    • The main stream media and political elite are fighting hard for Hillary, but the common folk hear this:
      Vote for Hillary, a person responsible for the deaths of others, serial liar, massively corrupt, and who puts the nation’s security at risk to hide her corruption, because the other candidate says mean and stupid things.

      To avoid any uncertainty in the elections, I strongly suspect that a great many emails suggesting illegal activities by the Clinton Mafia will be released by hackers in late October.

    • I would not trust polls. A lot of people actively dislike Trump but will hold their nose and vote for him over Clinton. She doesn’t even have a power base inside the Democratic party.

      On the other hand, you can be vilified or even attacked for openly supporting Trump (Cartoonist Scott Adams actually stated on his blog that he officially endorsed Clinton for his own safety after receiving death threats over his perceived support of Trump, and others have been openly and publicly pressured into supporting Clinton, not least of which was Bernie Sanders). In these situations, no poll is going to be accurate.

      • All you Trump supporters seem to be taking my comments personally. Under other circumstances, I could not care who you elect or who your convoluted system of Primaries throws up as a candidate. It has to be said though that this procedure that you have just gone through has produced the two most disliked and were it not that they are up against each other, most unelectable candidates. So much for you version of democracy.

        But in the terms of this discussion, your choice of candidate is of great importance to us all. Nothing is going to happen that will end this Climate Change scam until the leader of the free world puts an end to it. The Democrats are not going to do that, but the Republicans were in an excellent position to achieve that as probably the majority of the candidates were sceptics. By electing this bigoted amateur as the Republican candidate, you put that prospect at great risk as is evidenced by the present state of play. It is particularly important to us in The UK in so far as, even after Brexit, we will still be controlled by public, or should I say, alarmist opinion from within the UK and Europe. Our energy policy is in great crisis because we do not have one. Our leaders are frozen to the spot in the headlights of an impending disaster. We have shut the majority of coal fired power stations on the instructions of Europe to the point that we have no strategic power reserve. The dominant Green lobby and the subsidy structure prevents us building new gas fired power plants and we are just hopefully about to cancel the most expensive nuclear plant installation in history. It needs resolving urgently and there would be no better outcome for us than for a moderate Republican President to have come to power, by which time, with the imminent La Nina reinstating a 20 year temperature stasis, he could have very forceably argued for an end to this hysteria and with it a Clexit for the US and the rest of the world.

        Incidentally, the Trumpesque attitude of Samuel L Cogar in part of this thread above where he says “by politely telling where “the bear defecates in the buckwheat” ….. and iffen they don’t like it …… then they can lump it.” may not be very advantageous to the US economy. I am sure that the defence industries in the UK and France would be rubbing their hands in glee.

      • Colin,

        “All you Trump supporters seem to be taking my comments personally.”

        “By electing this bigoted amateur as the Republican candidate, you put that prospect at great risk as is evidenced by the present state of play.”

        Where’s your evidence he’s bigoted? No make argument, not win argument . .

  16. And Spexit too, the special interests that drive uncompetitive projects are key players at all levels. Down with demonstration energy projects to nowhere….and 4x costly rooftop solar too.

    • Thank you for showing us the intellectual acumen of those of you who support the man-made climate change cabal. It really helps to reinforce our opinions.

    • When a critic uses an expletive with a derogatory term while adding absolutely no facts whatsoever, doesn’t that indicate the author is nothing more than what he ignorantly calls others?

      [Or he/she/it is just extremely frustrated. Which does invoke sympathy perhaps, but usually does not further a technical discussion. .mod]

    • Maybe that should be Fatalistic UN exit (I did think of another F word that would fit there, but modesty forbids), making it FUNexit. Alas that sounds like an end to fun whereas I meant it to be a fun way of leaving… I see the problem remains.

  17. Great to see some common sense here. The MSM should be condemned and tossed for polluting children’s minds with endless lies.

    • Oh no – there isn’t any “commitment” or “responsibility” being avoided. The only thing CLEXIT avoids is the abject stupidity of “climate policies” that are economically ruinous without good reason, since they wouldn’t “fix” the problem even IF there WAS a problem.

  18. The emergence of this kind of organization is exactly why the next level of CAGW advocacy includes calls to prosecute anti-consensus practioners. Abuse of the law is the final tool in their box after their flawed science has been defeated. It’s a bad time to be putting more leftists into high position.

  19. There was/is an estimated 100+ million US citizens that have voting rights but didn’t There was/is an estimated 100+ million US citizens that have voting rights but didn’t bother to go to the Polls to cast their votes during the past four (4) General Elections simply because they decided there was simply no reason to cast their vote for “the lesser of two (2) evils”.

    The statistics are:

    US Population estimates, July 1, 2015, ……. 321,418,820
    Persons under 18 years, …….. 24.0% ………… 77,140,516
    Persons over 18 years, eligible to vote ….…. 244,278,303
    Total number of Americans registered to vote 146,311,000
    Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential election 57.5 % – 84,128,85
    Number of US citizens eligible to vote but didn’t vote …… 160,149,453

    Me thinks Donald Trump has awakened a “sleeping giant” that will cast their votes for “the-best-of-the-best” in the November General Election.
    bother to go to the Polls to cast their votes during the past four (4) General Elections simply because they decided there was simply no reason to cast their vote for “the lesser of two (2) evils”.

    The statistics are:

    US Population estimates, July 1, 2015, ……. 321,418,820
    Persons under 18 years, …….. 24.0% ………… 77,140,516
    Persons over 18 years, eligible to vote ….…. 244,278,303
    Total number of Americans registered to vote 146,311,000
    Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential election 57.5 % – 84,128,85
    Number of US citizens eligible to vote but didn’t vote …… 160,149,453

    Me thinks Donald Trump has awakened a “sleeping giant” that will cast their votes for “the-best-of-the-best” in the November General Election.

    • Gosh!
      If only this turn out to be true!!!
      I’ll keep my fingers crossed, but I doubt it’ll help.

    • @Samuel C Cogar
      August 3, 2016 at 11:38 am

      ‘Number of US citizens eligible to vote but didn’t vote …simply because they decided there was simply no reason to cast their vote for “the lesser of two (2) evils”. …… 160,149,453′

      It’s not so “simple” as you make it seem:

      1. Your post implies that there’s no problem determining which is “the lesser of two evils” – really?

      2. Casting a vote gives credibility to an election process that may not merit it.

      3. Voting for a candidate who then turns out to be a monster/traitor/moron/puppet/dictator makes you an accessory to all the harm he/she then creates in your name.

      Remember John Demjanjuk? He was twice deprived of his US citizenship, first because of unsupported accusations of being the notoriously murderous concentration camp guard, “Ivan the Terrible”, the second time because German prosecutors charged him with 27,000 counts of accessory to murder, simply for having worked as a lowly POW guard in a Nazi death camp.

      Demjanjunk was a young Ukrainian drafted into the Soviet army. He never voted for Hitler, and his only choice was to continue on starvation rations in a German POW camp, or accept a somewhat more survivable position as a guard in a concentration camp.

      But his willingness to work in the “KZ” was considered by German prosecutors to make him an accessory to all of the murders committed there. And the US government agreed! He was convicted and died in prison.

      Maybe some of those 160 million abstentions represent a fear of eventually being judged. After all, Americans can scarcely parrot the post-War Germans’ “I knew nothing”.

  20. “The Clexit Campaign aims to prevent ratification or local enforcement of the UN climate treaty.” ~founding document for Clexit

    A few posters have brought up the Trump candidacy, and it is true that many of us have ignored the Republican Party at the national level–along with their pathetic, progressive/globalist presidential nominees. But we have been very keen to get good Congressmen and women, as well as keep our eyes on local issues.

    It is plain that Mr. Trump has some serious personality flaws. He is also untried, and it is unknown how he would handle serious issues. There is no voting or legislating record to look at. His fans and followers also create more problems for those of us looking at the elections. They are in general rude and make both wild accusations and wild promises–based on no political record that I can see. They engage in scorched earth hatred of any one who does not endorse him. In the case of Ted Cruz– this is a Senator who has worked extensively on issues that I care about: internet freedom (handing the iTR over to the UN), and educational freedom. Cruz is a lawyer and has fought and won cases involving UN treaties which can summarily rewrite domestic policies. Trump should apologize and stop this pattern of petty vendettas. Like I said he has personality problems. When he attacks Cruz he attacks many who are undecided, and many who have done the actual work of guarding our sovereignty “in the heat of the day.”

    However, while I will not say I will vote for him, I am seriously considering voting for his acceptance speech. In this speech, he spoke intelligently about some issues that I really care about. I could not believe my eyes. Trump has promised to keep our country out of TTIP, and any other bad trade agreements, and negotiate trade deals with individual countries instead.

    cont’d

    • “My opponent, on the other hand, has supported virtually every trade agreement that has been destroying our middle class. She supported NAFTA, and she supported China’s entrance into the World Trade Organization – another one of her husband’s colossal mistakes.

      She supported the job killing trade deal with South Korea. She has supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The TPP will not only destroy our manufacturing, but it will make America subject to the rulings of foreign governments. I pledge to never sign any trade agreement that hurts our workers, or that diminishes our freedom and independence. Instead, I will make individual deals with individual countries.

      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/full-transcript-donald-trump-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974#ixzz4GKRprHTL
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  21. What is TTIP?

    The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a proposed trade agreement between the European Union and the United States, with the aim of promoting trade and multilateral economic growth.[1] The American government considers the TTIP a companion agreement to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).[2] The agreement is under ongoing negotiations and its main three broad areas are: market access; specific regulation; and broader rules and principles and modes of co-operation.[3][4] The negotiations were planned to be finalized by the end of 2014, but will not be finished until 2019 or 2020, according to economist Hosuk Lee-Makiyama.[5]
    The contents of the ongoing negotiations are classified from the public.[6]

    So people need to connect two working brain cells and figure out why Madame has had to have secret email accounts. It is because she is likely helping to craft TTIP with the EU PDQ.

    And she has also been working with the UN to set up new world wide rules for broadcasting frequency uses and the internet, all considered to be public airwaves

    Goodness why do I always have to explain. (;

    These treaties (like agreements in Beijing for the US to reduce emissions) don’t write themselves now, do they?

  22. That BREXIT thing may turn out to be significant.

    CLEXIT may fly like an eagle. Maybe we won’t have to meekly submit to government we (little people) see as STUPID.

    Rich people don’t see open borders, expensive energy and deficit financing as STUPID. It works for them because they get richer while we get poorer. Let’s say NO MORE STUPID.

  23. America isn’t going to last not because of global warming or corruption or lying politians, America will die from the utter collapse of morality due to or abandonment of God, until we deal with the real problem morons will drive our discussions like trans gender bathrooms, black lives matter insanity climate change and other meaningless forms of infotainment.

    • Agree on morality issue but I’m nuts enough to think that the Bible actually contains prophesy that speaks to these times.

      Max

  24. Because Brexit is working out so well for Britain and the costs from climate change are going to be in the multiple trillions….

    [???? .mod]

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