Inhofe: Kids are "brainwashed" into Worrying About Climate Change

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The victors of the 15th Congress; Rykov (left), Mykola Skrypnik (center) and Stalin (right). By Unknown; photo retake by George Shuklin – State museum of political history of Russia, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=5801434

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Senator Inhofe, a steadfast climate skeptic, has raised concerns about “brainwashing” of kids to convince them to worry about climate change.

In his grandchild’s question — ‘Why is it you don’t understand global warming?’— Sen. Jim Inhofe sees ‘brainwashing’

The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”

Here’s the full quote:

You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/27/why-is-it-you-dont-understand-global-warming-sen-jim-inhofe-cites-grandchilds-question-as-evidence-of-school-brainwashing/

The following is the sound track from the show;

https://soundcloud.com/the-eric-metaxas-show/penny-nance-jerry-mollen-senator-inhofe

(Senator Inhofe joins the show around 30 minutes into the sound track)

I have to say I agree with Senator Inhofe. I have seen plenty of examples of children repeating harmful social conditioning – nonsense about not defending yourself against bullies, and of course, lessons about the alleged dangers of “climate change” – saying things like “if you drop any plastic on the ground the animals will die, it has to all go in the recycling”.

For parents, trying to undo this damage is a nightmare. If they push too far, and their child starts disagreeing in public with what is being taught, the child just receives more bullying to conform. But doing nothing is also not an option.

The people who traumatise our children also publicly wonder why so many turn to drugs. It should be obvious. I mean, if authority figures convince a child the world is about to end, that it is all their parent’s fault, that there is nothing they can do to avoid a horrible death, what do you say to those same children, to convince them to do their homework?

Not every teacher is participating in this harmful brainwashing – according to a recent study, many teachers are courageously risking their careers and livelihoods to try to lead the children in their charge towards a more balanced view of the world.

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Robert of Ottawa

I’ve noticed the same in various young kids I know and talk with. It is worse than criminal to brainwash 5 year olds.

rogerthesurf

Brainwashing at school from the UN? Check this out!
Agenda 21 has entered the education system in my country.
I came across the curriculum when browsing my governments education website. It is headed “Environmental Sustainability, Education for Sustainability”.
http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/ncea/assessment/view-detailed.do?standardNumber=90812
If one searches just a little you will find the source texts include the Brundtland Report and UN Agenda 21.
This includes global warming but takes it back to the nth degree with the doctrine of “Sustainability”, which believe me does not mean financial sustainability in any shape or form.
Read my blog at
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.com/2013/03/13/are-we-experiencing-a-communist-infiltration-sponsored-by-the-united-nations/
Will blow your mind. Parents do not know about this, no one voted it in and there was no publicity or public debate. It just appeared as far as I know.
Check out this exemplar and you will get what I mean.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/exemplar-3-2008-exam.pdf
Check out your country’s education website. Search for the key words “sustainability”, “Agenda 21” or “Our Common Future” aka “The Brundtland Report”
This is where the real brainwashing is in full swing!
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com

Griff

yeah – people should stop all the antics with snowballs to convince people there’s no problem…

Harry Passfield

What Problem, Griff? There are children leaving school this year who will not have experienced any significant ‘global warming’ in their life-time. OK, climate changes, always has, and over time it may be that it’s warmer (somewhere), just as, over time, it may get to be colder (somewhere). In the real world it is pretty well impossible for anyone just going from life experience to say whether the climate is better or worse, warmer or colder, but on balance, warmer is better.
So, I ask you once again, what problem?

nigelf

I deprogrammed my two kids as soon as they mentioned climate change.
They’re still skeptics today and grown up.

David Smith

Or antics such as stopping the air conditioning working in the room so that everybody is boiling hot when you tell them the world is going to fry.
Do you mean those kind of antics Griff?

Hey Griff, did you mean that the IPCC ,a few published reports ago stated there would be LESS Snow and more Freezing rain,sleet and plain rain in the winter,when the reality of INCREASED Snowfall and extent has happened instead?
Gee when will you learn to pay attention?

john
William Astley

Griff, there is a reason why the cult of CAGW will not debate/defend CAGW. The entire IPCC scientific basis is incorrect. The IPCC ignored and hide the piles and piles of observations that disprove CAGW.
There is of course a difference between CAGW (Al Gore’s silly propaganda movie) and LAGW (Luke warm global warming where no action is required and which is what occurred before the 18 year ‘pause’ in warming. An end of warming is a paradox.). The warming that has occurred has been high latitude warming which is the same region that has in the past cyclically warmed and cool. The biosphere expands when the planet warms and contracts when it cools.
There is no CAGW problem to solve. There is not even observational support for LAGW. Observations support the assertion that the majority of the warming in the last 50 years is due to solar cycle LSGW changes rather than the increase in atmospheric CO2.
1) Latitudinal temperature paradox (Strike 1)
The latitudinal temperature anomaly paradox is the fact that the latitudinal pattern of warming in the last 50 years does match the pattern of warming that would occur if the recent increase in planetary temperature was caused by the CO2 mechanism.
The amount of CO2 gas forcing is theoretically logarithmically proportional to the increase in atmospheric CO2 times the amount of long wave radiation that is emitted to space prior to the increase. As gases are evenly distributed in the atmosphere the potential for warming due to the increase in atmospheric CO2 should be the same at all latitudes.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.0581.pdf

Limits on CO2 Climate Forcing from Recent Temperature Data of Earth
The atmospheric CO2 is slowly increasing with time [Keeling et al. (2004)]. The climate forcing according to the IPCC varies as ln (CO2) [IPCC (2001)] (The mathematical expression is given in section 4 below). The ΔT response would be expected to follow this function. A plot of ln (CO2) is found to be nearly linear in time over the interval 1979-2004. Thus ΔT from CO2 forcing should be nearly linear in time also.
The atmospheric CO2 is well mixed and shows a variation with latitude which is less than 4% from pole to pole [Earth System Research Laboratory. 2008]. Thus one would expect that the latitude variation of ΔT from CO2 forcing to be also small. It is noted that low variability of trends with latitude is a result in some coupled atmosphere-ocean models. For example, the zonal-mean profiles of atmospheric temperature changes in models subject to “20CEN” forcing ( includes CO2 forcing) over 1979-1999 are discussed in Chap 5 of the U.S. Climate Change Science Program [Karl et al.2006]. The PCM model in Fig 5.7 shows little pole to pole variation in trends below altitudes corresponding to atmospheric pressures of 500hPa.
If the climate forcing were only from CO2 one would expect from property #2 a small variation with latitude. However, it is noted that NoExtropics is 2 times that of the global and 4 times that of the Tropics. Thus one concludes that the climate forcing in the NoExtropics includes more than CO2 forcing. These non-CO2 effects include: land use [Peilke et al. 2007]; industrialization [McKitrick and Michaels (2007), Kalnay and Cai (2003), DeLaat and Maurellis (2006)]; high natural variability, and daily nocturnal effects [Walters et al. (2007)].
An underlying temperature trend of 0.062±0.010ºK/decade was estimated from data in the tropical latitude band. Corrections to this trend value from solar and aerosols climate forcings are estimated to be a fraction of this value. The trend expected from CO2 climate forcing is 0.070g ºC/decade, where g is the gain due to any feedback. If the underlying trend is due to CO2 then g~1. Models giving values of g greater than 1 would need a negative climate forcing to partially cancel that from CO2. This negative forcing cannot be from aerosols.
These conclusions are contrary to the IPCC [2007] statement: “[M]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.

As the amount of warming is also proportional to amount of long wave radiation that is emitted to space prior to the increase in atmospheric CO2, the greatest amount of warming should have occurred at the equator.
There is in fact almost no warming in the tropical region of the planet. This observational fact supports the assertion that majority of the warming in the last 50 years was not caused by the increase in atmospheric CO2.
http://www.eoearth.org/files/115701_115800/115741/620px-Radiation_balance.jpg
2) The planet cyclically warms and cools with the majority of the temperature change occurring at high latitudes. The cyclic warming and cooling correlate with solar cycle changes which provides support the for the assertion that the solar cyclic changes caused the change rather than the increase in atmospheric CO2 (Strike 2)
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/davis-and-taylor-wuwt-submission.pdf

Davis and Taylor: “Does the current global warming signal reflect a natural cycle”
…We found 342 natural warming events (NWEs) corresponding to this definition, distributed over the past 250,000 years …. …. The 342 NWEs contained in the Vostok ice core record are divided into low-rate warming events (LRWEs; < 0.74oC/century) and high rate warming events (HRWEs; ≥ 0.74oC /century) (Figure). … …. "Recent Antarctic Peninsula warming relative to Holocene climate and ice – shelf history" and authored by Robert Mulvaney and colleagues of the British Antarctic Survey ( Nature , 2012, doi:10.1038/nature11391),reports two recent natural warming cycles, one around 1500 AD and another around 400 AD, measured from isotope (deuterium) concentrations in ice cores bored adjacent to recent breaks in the ice shelf in northeast Antarctica. ….

Greenland ice temperature, last 11,000 years determined from ice core analysis, Richard Alley’s paper. William: As this graph indicates the Greenland Ice data shows that have been 9 warming and cooling periods in the last 11,000 years.
http://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2%20TemperatureSince10700%20BP%20with%20CO2%20from%20EPICA%20DomeC.gif

Bryan A

Will,
You missed something in your presentation. You forgot to splice onto the end of your record, the current temperature measurements and current rise in CO2 levels. For CO2 your chart stops at around 280ppm but current levels are just over 400ppm. And your temperature stops at the level below average when the Cool-Aid drinkers have already adjusted the current measured temperature anomaly to +1.2C.
It’s OK though just grab a cup of Cool-Aid and splice away

Gunga Din

Griff July 28, 2016 at 1:06 am
yeah – people should stop all the antics with snowballs to convince people there’s no problem…

“yeah – people should stop all the antics with air-conditioners to convince Congress there is problem…”
(Fixed it for ya”.)

catweazle666

How about antics with plastic bottles and electric fires?

Jay Hope

My friend came to stay with me at the weekend, and she brought her two kids. One is 6 and the other is 8. They told me that their primary school is running classes on how to stop global warming. It sounded like something out of ‘No Pressure’.

My kids are not brainwashed but they see it in school and ask the right questions so far, so far! A lot of kids don’t know ANYTHING different. in Indiana. I am sorry to say!.

Oldseadog

My next door neighbour is a primary school teacher. She has to toe the “party line” regarding “climate change” but tries to introduce proper scientific methodology into her teaching, although with little success regarding climate due to the prevailing CAGW meme current in the British educational system at present.
What is she supposed to do?
Lose her job?

That depends. If she’s okay with just introducing proper scientific metholdology and hoping for the best, at least she’s doing that. It depends on how much one can take playing ball with people who are out to destroy people’s lives and make them miserable. It’s a very individual thing.

gnomish

goebbels probably had the same exact rationale
what is she supposed to do, sacrifice her integrity for a dollar?
what is she supposed to do, damage innocent children out of cowardice?
she made the call.
she’s committed a defining act.
she is what she does.
so are we all.

David Smith

It’s not just a “dollar”. It could be the end of her career.
Cut her some slack, please

gnomish

no. you cut john wayne gacy some slack. he had a career too. it also involved children.

Michael J. Dunn

Yep. There were plenty of “good Germans.” To put Gnomish’s point in other words, what if we had doctors being pressured to treat their patients so they would come down with diabetes? Treat them to health? That could be the end of their careers! Why would they then think their “careers” had any value or honor?
It prompts one to ponder whether ignorance is a better condition for children than to be maliciously misled.

Resourceguy

What’s so provocative about inserting a little content on prediction error evaluation as an aside from statistics, or have the expensive measurement systems like satellites and buoy systems gone dark because they don’t follow party line? Of course that is not possible in the U.S. with each 5 minute block of time in the classroom locked and beyond the control of the teacher.

Lucius von Steinkaninchen

Sadly, schools through most of the West have become ideological madrassas churning out children devoid of critical thinking.

PiperPaul

But full of critical theory.

a population of critical thinkers does not work in the globalist plans–please just do what we tell you and obey always.

I think it will take some time, if even possible, to undo the current propaganda campaign on climate change and other green issues. That is no reason not to try.

Lucius von Steinkaninchen

It is likely that this brainwashing will backfire horribly on the Left in 20 or 30 years, when the kids will be adults facing real problems – economy, jobs, family, etc – and will suddenly notice that the world *didn’t* end, contrarily to the litany of doomsday predictions recited over their childhoods.

CodeTech

Hey, we can see this NOW, as the millennials are clearly incapable of functioning in life. They were coddled and lied to their whole lives, now most of them are dumb as posts.
[Please do not insult any perfectly functional fence post by comparing it to today’s college graduates and tomorrow’s snowflake-enabled students. .mod]

Reply to snarky mod — you seem to interpret the role of “moderator” as it is normally used with nuclear reactors.
[Accurate. And is that a problem? .mod]

Marge: Homer, does this mean… ?
Homer: Starting tomorrow, I’m a nuclear technician.

I don’t see snarky here in what the mod said. It made me chuckle. Both comments. 🙂

Marcus

Geez, how come I never get this Mod ??
[“Ask not for whom the Mod toils, lest he troll for you. .mod]

TonyL

Global Warming and all the rest of the whole package of leftist ideology has been taught of thirty years now. Let’s see how it is going.
Is it backfiring horribly on the left?
Is the hard core Left enjoying unprecedented political popularity among the younger demographic?
Just consider the impressive performance of Bernie Sanders. What should have been a fringe candidate became something of a national sensation.
I would say that the Left is doing very well reaping the rewards of their control of the public education system.

TA

“I would say that the Left is doing very well reaping the rewards of their control of the public education system.”
I would agree. We have a delusional ideology within striking distance of gaining control of our lives. We should work hard not to let that happen.

Barbara

Didn’t Obama say he was going to “fix the economy” back in 2008? Did he really mean ” alter the economy”?
Young people think you can have things both ways.All kinds of electric gadgets with no electricity supply.
And all kinds of green jobs with poor wages.

AllyKat

As my mother said today, when you are young, getting everything for free sounds great, so why think further?
I am old enough to remember some of the “edutainment” that was used to promote environmental “virtue”. Captain Planet and Ferngully seem cute and innocuous when you are little or if you do not think too hard about the intent/signalling of the makers. Kids’ movies and shows seem like they are “safe”, either educational or a kiddie infomercial, but if you look at the ideas being promoted, they are not necessarily what you want your kid to learn/believe/absorb. It is also kind of creepy that these messages of “you gotta save the planet, omg, the rainforest fairies, stop the deforestation NOW!!!” were being shoved at kids who literally could not do ANYTHING about these issues. How exactly is an eight year old supposed to stop clear cutting in the Amazon?
I still know the Captain Planet theme song decades later, so the brainwashing sort of worked. “Gonna take pollution down to zero!”

Gunga Din

No. He meant “fix” like you have your dog “fixed”. No production.

Gunga Din

AllyKat July 27, 2016 at 6:51 pm
….
I still know the Captain Planet theme song decades later, so the brainwashing sort of worked. “Gonna take pollution down to zero!”

Wow! So were Captain Planet episodes all about killing bears so they stop doing what they “doo” in the woods?

czechlist

The progs are prepared for any event. When CAGW doesn’t happen they’ll say it is because they prevented it through their awareness programs and warnings (see their Ozone hole and population bomb/food shortage extinction explanations) and (like seat belts and air bags) there’s Obamacare – that $2500 per family savings is how much more we’d be paying if they hadn’t pass it.
Progs have their propaganda ready for anything and, unfortunately, simpletons are conditioned to believe it.

Griff

We did prevent the Ozone hole expanding by successful world wide action…
We did prevent overpopulation/famine by contraception/family planning and the ‘green revolution’.
what, you think the Senator fixed that?

David Smith

” We did prevent the Ozone hole expanding by successful world wide action…”
Thanks, I needed a laugh.
” We did prevent overpopulation/famine by contraception/family planning and the ‘green revolution’.”
I think you mean more wealth and better health created by capitalism results in a declining birthrate.
As for the “green revolution”, that’s just a bunch of leftys in Lenin hats convincing themselves that buying the over-priced organic stuff in their local deli is helping to solve world hunger. In reality, worldwide crop levels have incresed because of mechanisation, effective chemical fertilizers and pesticides, and rising CO2 levels.
Get in the real world Griff

gnomish

oh? the ones of today have solved their problems by making them other people’s problems.
obviously this is not an innovation and has been going on for at least a couple thousand years – so what makes you think it can’t go on for another couple thousand?
slavery is sustainable, isn’t it?
especially when the slaves have negotiated their own submission.

Steve R

When I was a kid it seemed an absolute certainty that the world would end very soon in a nuclear holocaust. Im still a little bitter about being manipulated in a needlessly negative way about something I had no need to worry about.

emsnews

We are always one minute away from total annihilation from nuclear war.

rw

It will backfire when this thing collapses. At that point we will have a Teachable Moment to end all teachable moments. That’s the great thing about AGW – and even better, the warmists can’t see it coming.

I posted at the Daily Wire where I first saw it and re-posted at the Post :

Inhofe is too kind . The failure to teach the most basic , experimentally demonstrable at a highschool level , quantitative physics of planetary temperature is criminal malfeasance .
You can teach AlGoreWarming or you can teach the mathematics of heat transfer ; you can’t teach both .

The solution is to stop voting for Democrats and gain control of the school boards. Teachers must stop teaching far-left propaganda.

Yirgach

As Voltaire said:

God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.

Samuel C Cogar

Gaining control of the local school boards will not help solve the problem.
The federal Department of Education, State School Boards and State Legislatures are a major source of revenue that County Public School Systems and their employees are highly dependent upon for their existence and if they don’t do and act as they are told then said revenue or revenue requests will be withheld, reduced, terminated or ignored.
Local school boards really have no say-so or control of the selection of Textbooks or other Teaching material and therein is a major problem because the lefty liberal PC “junk science” is in the “books” and Teachers are mandated to “teach” to the book.

Study finds errors rife in science textbooks
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Twelve of the most popular science textbooks used at middle schools nationwide are riddled with errors, a new study has found.
Read more @ http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/ndssun04.htm

Goldrider

It’s gone beyond climate now; the new indoctrination even at the K-2 level is promoting “transgenderism” as a normal, healthy choice. Last I looked it was a psychiatric disorder with a 45% suicide rate!

Greytide

Add into that the latest “Gender fluid” and we are creating problems for our offspring that will comeback to bite us. Special toilets for the transgenders, parents encouraging gender reassignment from a silly young age, we are all going to hell in a handcart!

n.n

Understanding the limits of the scientific domain should be sufficient to dispel any beliefs in scientific prophecies. Unfortunately, the corruption of science progresses with social causes and the establishment of “secular”, quasi-religious churches.

John Boles

Much like organized religion, start them early.

Nigel in Santa Barbara

I could use the same logic and say ‘much like mathematics, start them early’. Because something is organized and/or starting at an early age, doesn’t make it wrong/bad. The problem is not how (being organized) or when (an early age), it is what they are teaching (an unproven theory) that is the problem.
‘Organized religion’ has many benefits, including the fact that if you are not organized you will be unable to obtain, or realize, the benefits that ANY religious teachings offer. In fact, if you are NOT organized for just about ANYTHING you will not realize the benefits. Would people prefer DIS-organized religion? No. I tend to think that ‘organized religion’ is a redundant phrase…’religion’ implies ‘organized’. If it didn’t, then it probably isn’t ‘religion’ and just a hobbled together system of beliefs. True religion, by it’s very nature, and by the way it has been presented and revealed to us, is organized.
Essentially, religion-haters have hijacked the word ‘organized’ to make religion seem like it’s ‘not supposed to be’ organized, as if being organized is dangerous or somehow contains nefarious elements. It doesn’t.
Back to the topic. Teaching children that CAGW is a ‘fact’ is like giving them a fish and telling them that is the only fish you will find in the river worth eating. Teach them how to fish and we’ll have children who will be able to catch the fish we need.

Felflames

It would be closer to giving them an octopus and telling them it is an iguana, in my opinion.

David Smith

” the word ‘organized’ to make religion seem like it’s ‘not supposed to be’ organized, as if being organized is dangerous or somehow contains nefarious elements. It doesn’t.”
Radical Islamism is well organised. That bunch are definitely nefarious.
All religion is a medieval attempt to explain the world around us and subjugate the masses with spurious rules about “sin”. We don’t need fairy-tales anymore as we have science to help us understand the world (although we will never understand it all).

Nigel in Santa Barbara

@David Smith – “Radical Islamism is well organised. That bunch are definitely nefarious.”
The nefariousness doesn’t come from them being organized, is comes from the ‘radical’. Don’t confound the two unfairly. A useful tool (being ‘organized’) used by bad people (a radical) doesn’t mean the tool is bad.
Religion is not a spurious attempt, it has actually worked to make the world better. A review of history will easily inform anyone of this fact; societies have always improved after adopting the religion revealed for them at that time. Not to be confused with made-up (man-made) religion.
Science still needs to be guided by your conscience. You can’t have one without the other. Science and religion must agree. Religion without science is superstition, science without religion is materialism.

David Smith

+100

Samuel C Cogar

“DUH”, …… all Public School Systems are in essence an “organize religion” ….. that is based in/on the belief that an educated populace is necessary for a well function and productive society.

“For parents, trying to undo this damage is a nightmare. If they push too far, and their child starts disagreeing in public with what is being taught, the child just receives more bullying to conform. But doing nothing is also not an option.”
There are options:
Point out the benefits of warmer climate for reduction in burning oil or gas for heating, benefits of increased plant growth and food production not only in the temperate climate zone but further north, thus creating abundance of food to be made available to poor countries of the world.
Point out the benefits of warmer climate for the large proportion of elderly population which may be susceptible to hypothermia.
Point out the fact that CO2 is not harmful but a benign gas that all of us exhale.
Point out the fact that with the increase of CO2 the world is a much ‘greener’ place
Finally suggest that all prediction of the catastrophic warming may actually not happen and if it does it may take many decades and by then the advancement of science and technology may find way of either averting or even reversing it.

Michael C. Roberts

vukcevic – I tried to tell that to the Washington State Department of Ecology, regarding their use of the ‘Social Cost of Carbon’ (SCC) as an excuse to impose new CO2 regulations on industries in Washington State, USA. A de-facto back door carbon tax, the Holy Grail (another Python reference, two in one day!) of current Gubnor Jay “I’ll pass a carbon tax on my watch” Inslee:
See: http://www.ecy.wa.gov/climatechange/carbonlimit.htm
Comments were closed 22 July, and now I cannot open them. However, the gist of my comment was that not enough positive costs of increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, regardless of the source were given in their SCC calculations.
It’s about to get pretty expensive to live a modern life in Washington State.
Regards,
MCR

climatologist

Are you crazy? There is no money or sensation in positive things.

Duncan

Fortunately my eleven year old has better critical thinking than many adults regarding this subject and many other themes, with very little help from me (my wife is a liberal through and through). I recently met another boy about the same age who’s mother told him we’ll all be under water in a few years even though we are 80m above sea level. You should have seen the smile when I told time otherwise.

Menicholas

Kids know that some adults will lie to them, and the ones that do will do so all the time.
I vividly recall being a school kid, and how easily I took to the notion that I was being fed a bunch of malarkey.
I do not think kids have changed much, if at all.

TA

Kids just need to get both sides of the story. They will figure it out from there.
The problem is they are only getting one side of the story many times.

Duncan

Fortunately in Canada, while the liberals have bought the TAX the climate debate to death, I have not had feedback that the schools are pushing this yet in schools. I have had my ear to the ground and nothing yet (grade 6). While I have my beliefs, both my wife and I are reserved on persuading (forcefully) any argument while “Kids just need to get both sides of the story” is the best advice – agreed.

Menicholas

Do not get me wrong, I agree that kids in US schools are subjected to attempted brainwashing, and many of them are buying it.
I just do not think they are necessarily permanently indoctrinated.
When the things that are being warned of fail to materialized in their lifetime, they will know the truth.
And they will know they were lied to, and who did it, and many of them will understand why.

“I do not think kids have changed much at all” is right, there is way too much hand wringing over what the kids are being stuffed full of. So long as they get down the reading part and modern technology requires way too much mathematical competence to divert humanity from seeking to understand the “laws of the universe” To the extent that the spark of humanity that insists on knowing does so …. CAGW is doomed.

PiperPaul

“Social engineering” now commonly refers to tricking someone into providing access to something which would otherwise be confidential. A convenient redefining of a useful and relevant term.

Robert from oz

Kids do not need to be taught both sides of the argument at all , just taught real science and from there they will work out if CAGW is crap or not .

whiten

PiperPaul
July 27, 2016 at 3:11 pm
““Social engineering” now commonly refers to tricking someone into providing access to something which would otherwise be confidential. A convenient redefining of a useful and relevant term.”
——————–
Hello PiperPaul.
In my opinion and understanding, in principle you have got it right.
In principle “Social engineering” means engaging “tools”, “methodology”, “knowledge” and ‘teaching” (pedagogy) in an actual technical way to better the society and civic way of life.
The problem is that “social engineering” and coning seem to be similar, when the later has nothing at all to do with teaching and the bettering of society, but more with an extreme exploitation.and victimization.
Yes in my understanding the “social engineering” lately is set to “operate” in a way as you describe it, to accommodate and inspire a new move, a move from a world that basically runs in the concept of ” too many secrets”, a “cold war” mentality,. to a new one, a world that moves in a new direction of no misinformation, relying in a new concept of “no any secrets”…
Think of FOIA, AND WHO IS NO HAPPY AND TRYING NOT TO COMPLY WITH IT, EVEN WHEN THAT IS BASED IN LAW AND IT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
Teaching based in thick ideology, propaganda and demagogy it simply is misinformation, indoctrination and an extreme and dangerous “brainwashing”………..no teaching at all in reality but an orchestrated conning and a deception.
The world is trying to move on, in a new way, but “man” is still too stiff and stubborn to acknowledge it.
The Als of this world have a lot to hide, more than you and any one else, that is why so much “energy” and struggle put forward by such as to maintain the “cold war” mentality and the misinformation.
It basically threatens their firm and stubborn belief in the absolute power, which actually absolutely corrupts regardless.
cheers

There are two fundamental issues here. Most kids will soon enough figure it out for themselves, so long as they are taught to think for themselves. That happens more around the dinner table than at school, IMO—and both my kids went to one of the best public school systems in the US, and then to Harvard. Sheeple kids won’t. Part of the problem is sheeple parents at the dinner table, part of the problem is poor schooling. That includes Oreskes at Harvard.

Bubba Cow

and clearly revealing that “climate change” brainwashing is politics (from the usual culprits) –
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/3074/text
rather than science and truth –
http://blog.heartland.org/2016/07/the-global-war-against-fossil-fuels/
(might have to buy the book)

Smart Rock

Rud – most families these days don’t have a “dinner table” where the family gathers and talks about stuff while the’re eating. People like us who still do family dinners are getting to be anachronisms. This is just one of the ways that society is changing, and I can’t help feeling that it’s not changing for the better. OTOH, people have been saying that for millenia.

It’s about time the truth is spoken. My two children are now adults, when they were coming up I would talk to them about this climate BS, today they don’t swallow the lies.They know how to think for themselves.

gnomish

congratulations. you were a parent who did it right.
and by way of contrast- anybody whose kid did not turn out as yours did are the result of failed parents.
parents with excuses, lazy parents, stupid parents – and how do i know this?
because if you can do it, so can anybody else.
and if they didn’t – they suck.

Thanks very much!! 👍🏻😬

Ian Macdonald

“I have seen plenty of examples of children repeating harmful social conditioning – nonsense about not defending yourself against bullies”
Been ‘processed’ through that one, and I would say it sucks for worse than any climate change dogma. Fact is, a lot of teachers ARE bullies, and the idea of a regime where no-one can defend themself would seem like nirvana to these scumbags. Basically a form of grooming, rather like that done by pedos, but in this case to ensure that bullying, not sex, can be engaged in with impunity.
It’s time that the proponents of this kind of sick regime are treated the same way as the child sex abusers. They deserve no less. Point out their gravestones to me and, as was done to Mr Savile’s, I will supply the sledgehammer and effort until no memorial remains to their sorry existence.

texasjimbrock

Many, many years ago my son Mike was taught by a flaming liberal democrat in NJ. She professed that the rebels were always proven to be right. Mike made no points with her when he responded “Like the Confederate states?. Last I heard, she was a legislator in Jersey. And now we choose between Hillary and Trump. God save the United States.

TonyL

Thirty years ago, a question was posed. The children were getting a horrible education, light on facts across the board, heavy on leftist politics and ideology. The question was “How will these kids be able to tell that their own children are getting a terrible education?” It only took a generation.

Dave Wendt

It’s no coincidence that Barry’s good buddy and probable ghostwriter Mr. Ayres and all his Weather Underground cohort that are still upright and taking nourishment are all firmly ensconced in American academia. Indeed Mr Ayres, murderous traitor though he may be, is considered the leading light in Education policy and through his leadership has succeeded in moving the prime goal of modern American education from instilling the capacity for critical thought to instilling the proper “revolutionary consciousness” in all our young skulls full of mush.
Sadly, we are probably now into our third generation of students who have moved or will move through their entire educational experience without hearing one positive thing about their extraordinary national culture that has enabled every bit of the fantastic life they are still able to enjoy, for at least a brief future interlude.
Luckily for myself. I am an old enough old crock that even my grand children are moving beyond the reach of the American indoctrination machinery. I feel very sorry for young people who have to face the choice of turning their offspring over, although, at this point, they’re mostly all products of that machine themselves and thus have little idea of the evil they are inflicting on their children.

Samuel C Cogar

Thanks, Dave W, …… my thought exactly and worth repeating, to wit:
Sadly, we are probably now into our third generation of students who have moved or will move through their entire educational experience without hearing one positive thing about their extraordinary national culture that has enabled every bit of the fantastic life they are still able to enjoy, for at least a brief future interlude.

RAH

Part of the problem is that the teachers themselves have been indoctrinated also. Some outgrow it but many do not.

Joel Snider

The Washington Post had a hissy over this one.
I do notice WAPO doesn’t seem to be adhering to the new journalistic standard (announced earlier this year) of avoiding the word ‘denier’ – especially in reference to Inhofe.

Mark - Helsinki

It is up to us, each parent to make sure this does not happen.
I have 3 kids, one 20 one 5 and one 3
The 20 year old, some years ago there was a wee bit of trouble because he disagreed with a teacher in class. I simply told him that it is up to him to learn, and not to be taught.
I still stick by that, question everything assume nothing. Family rule of thumb.
For the many that just hand their kids off to school and dont take an interest in what they are being taught.. this will happen.
My two younger ones dont start school until 7 here in Finland (20 year old started at 4 in Ireland). As such I got to start the education this time. The 5 year old is fluent in English and Finnish with some Irish and Swedish. Not because he’s a genius, but because he learns, he is not taught. I only assist, not direct. It’s more fun for him. We play language games.
As such he is going to school already developed to a certain extend, I will never let the state model my kid on their view of what education is, ever. Look at society, tell me most of the new generations are not mouth breathing morons, they are. Thinking is soo 1820 to these idiots and the funny thing is the less they know the more certain and smug they are and believe they know more.
When they do start school I will be talking to the school to see what they will be taught and if any political ideological or advocacy stuff is afoot, he has to leave the class, I will not stand for programming.
I am more than willing to take it to the courts to make sure this does not happen. I am more than willing to leave the country. Ireland now will start brainwashing kids with this junk.
All insidious, advocacy groups and movements and of course religions always target the young. It is disgusting.

Mark - Helsinki

It’s actually mental abuse. How long before a case ends up in court where a parent sues a school for making their child depressed?

Mark - Helsinki

Technically it is a form of terrorism, fearism, making kids live in fear in order to push a political ideological or religious agenda.
What is next, getting kids to report of their parents believe, and if not the feds show up and arrest you for “abusing your kids” that is, telling them CAGW is bollocks

“…authority figures convince a child the world is about to end, that it is all their parent’s fault.…”
Who is painting a dark picture of America and the world? It’s in the democrat party platform. Climate change is worse than ISIS – who is really scaring Americans?

gnomish

BRAVO
you are one in a million.
it may be enough.

Mark-H, I wish there were many more like you! I hope your good sense spreads. I would love to see hundreds like you turn up at every school and keep an eye on them. The propaganda has to stop and it will – with people like you to make it happen. More power to you.

Bob boder

It is absolutely happening and it’s not just climate change every form of social justice as well. The most harmful aspect is that they are making our children guilt ridden, girls take the worst beating because not only do they have to deal with all of the climate/ environmental issues but they also have to question every feeling they have, if they have any traditional feminin feelings they are made to feel like there is something wrong with them. Girls are taught to view masculine behaviors as bad but then are expect take on all the those same behaviors. Girls being more social in nature are pulled every which way and are not able to just be who ever they want to be. The numbers of girls in schools with anxiety problems because of this is staggering.

Mark - Helsinki

you are right, but anyone who leaves the future of their kids to some people who actually hate their jobs after working it for 30 years, needs to get their heads checked.
State education is rubbish. State history is almost all entirely fabricated.
Ideological baggage is always brought into classrooms, even unintentionally.
Always be away of what shite these people are putting into your kids heads, and for the love of god keep kids away from soul destroying TV, TV and media are one way programming tools

Bob boder

Mark
The problem is the social pressure that is constantly put on the children create anxiety, counter acting the bs is easy but the social pressure is a whole different issue, my daughter faced these issues and being strong willed found herself in constant battle with teachers and students in almost every class. I told her just to ignore it and win small battles when she could but it became so oppressive to her sense of indiviality that she just couldnt

Mark - Helsinki

Fair points marko agree, though if my kids are anything like me.. I am most path of resistance kind of guy, always have been 😀

Mark - Helsinki

I never did social pressure, and I still suffer the consequences, which usually means exclusion from echo chambers.
The main reason I lose faith in the average human is the aggressive reaction to different opinions on key issues today, as I said, education produces followers to look for that herd to belong to
Gotta say it, I most times cant even get my 5 year old to agree with me, and I get trolled by the 3 year old.
I say “ohh sweety look at that lovely river” and she says “that’s not a river” and I say “oh really what is it” and she says “its water” as if I am stupid bahahahahahaha

Mark - Helsinki

*path of most resistance
What the heck.. oh yeah, bottles of stella Lol

Mark - Helsinki

Sitting here drinking and sweating like a 2 dolla whore

Bob boder

Mark
I Have always kind of enjoyed being the thorn in the side type but I am pretty anti social. Kids that aren’t have a much harder time
I like “the path of most resistance” can I borrow it?

Goldrider

Not to mention the way the schools are now policing kids on every mouthful of food they eat, under the rubric of the fictional “obesity epidemic.” Like we don’t have ENOUGH girls with anorexia nervosa?

Peter

I used to get annoyed at the rebellious nature of my son, now I realize that its whats necessary for a new generation to survive, i.e. its ingrained. So if your teens are rebelling it shows we are not as doomed as we think 😉

Mark - Helsinki

Yes absolutely. The last thing you want is a drone, this is what schools are now producing by the time they adults

Mark - Helsinki

or to be more exact, schools produce followers not leaders, conform or pay the price

Bob boder

Peter
Best trait a kid can have

Mark - Helsinki

It’s good practice to respond to claims by your kids with “is that true?” You make them think about that

DredNicolson

If a child of mine learns nothing else, it will be these four words:
“Truth fears no question.”
The honest and the truthful will either give you a straight answer, or admit they don’t have one to give you. Any other response should set off your BS detector, and make you think “Why is s/he afraid of my question?” It will go a long way towards keeping the propagandists and indoctrinators of the world from getting a hold on your brain.

I’ve seen this first hand when teaching in other people’s classrooms. I wrote a short blog piece about it a couple of years ago.
https://learninglondon.net/2014/03/31/how-not-to-teach-climate-change/

Mark - Helsinki

Had a read, that is pretty scary and amounts to indoctrination, that teacher should be arrested

Mark - Helsinki

What is scary is Finland is top or near top in education in the world, and I still wouldn’t just allow the state to imbue them with someone else’s principles and beliefs.
In the US.. given what is going on in many states for years and what is happening now, I’d flee the country, absolutely no overstatement there, it was one of the reasons I left Ireland, education there has plummeted.

Mark - Helsinki

Bill gates’ common core is is crippling kids

Mark

Ontario Canada is on fire with ads
https://youtu.be/4igQKdjqIKU

Mark
Mark - Helsinki

This is nothing show of spreading fear to push an agenda, it’s almost the definition of terrorism FFS

Mark - Helsinki

uurghh *short of

I’m getting cramps from holding my farts.

The Expulsive

She is now showing her grandmother how to suck eggs.

Mark - Helsinki

Child abuse

4 Eyes

That video I watched was depressing especially the last child. He really would have no understanding of the science. He was used to deliver someone else’s message. Disgusting child abuse.

Robert

Can we lose the labels ‘climate change denier’ …… ‘climate change skeptic’ ? Neither is accurate these days. Almost no one is denying that the climate changes.
What is denied is that: (i) we live in a Mary Poppins world – ‘practically perfect in everyway’ and (ii) the earth’s climate system is on the brink of instability, a tipping point. There is no evidence for either of these assertions.
How about ‘climate change proponent’ making habitable the vast northen land masses in Asia and North America (Go Canada!). How about the greening of the earth (Go plants!). I like the positive vibe.

Griff

Well, I’m afraid that we can’t, because the Oxford dictionary definition clearly sets out the definitions – e.g. it states for denialist:
“A person who refuses to admit the truth of a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence:
‘the small minority of very vocal climate change denialists’”
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/denialist

Hey Griff,when will you notice that the hundreds of climate models to year 2100 is evidence of pseudoscience?
Go look up the SCIENTIFIC METHOD in your precious dictionary.

Here it is from your own dictionary:
Scientific Method,
“A method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses: criticism is the backbone of the scientific method [in plural]: the process is based on presently valid scientific methods”
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/scientific-method?q=Scientific+Method
Climate Models to year 2100 are worthless since they can’t be tested. The entire AGW conjecture is highly dependent on these unverifiable modeling runs which as loaded with assumptions and has gaping holes in them on various parts of climate phenomenon.
Wake up Griff,drop the warmist babblings and get rational on this topic.

catweazle666

I recommend that if you ever meet myself, my wife or my children and grandchildren in person Griff you refrain from referring to us as ‘deniers’ or ‘denialists’, with their known connotations of Holocaust denial and support for Naziism.
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PiperPaul

Mischaracterizing and misrepresenting your opponent with no objection is easy when the main stream media is effectively your own PR firm.

The Expulsive

Yes those ads are brought to us by the true believers in the Ontario Government, a government that claims that ads are paid for by them instead of by the people of Ontario at the behest of the true believers.
I for one don’t need some 8 year old being trotted out to tell me about the world when all they are doing is spouting what they have been told by the fruit fly PHD.

That Suzuki piece was part of a long program held remotely with many school children. This man is killing our children – and getting very rich doing it!

JohnKnight

I sort of saw this coming when my daughter was little, and I essentially taught her about brainwashing as a defense . . lots of classic stories are useful for this.

Latitude

For parents, trying to undo this damage….
In my experience the kids bring it home…and the parents start to believe it too..
But one good thing…..global warming is so yesterday…most of the kids are over it

Mark - Helsinki

I hope you are right because they are targeting them at 4 years old now.

I grew up on “The Population Bomb” and “Silent Spring” and the rest of the doomsday propaganda and it definately negatively impacted my life–why bother to plan for the future when there isn’t going to be any? Since then I have seen this same lone fed to my children in school and it infuriates me.
I once saw my oldest daughter have a panic attack at the sight of clouds of steam arising from a power plant on a chilly morning. She was convinced that all of the plants and animals were going to die and crying hysterically. I spent a long time calming her down and explaining that water vapor is not pollution and the biosphere is actually much healthier now than it has been for a century.

n.n

Don’t be deceived. Water vapor is a first-order cause of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming.
That said, the real threat to flora and fauna are windmill and solar farms, and other low-density energy conversion solutions, that occupy large tracts of land thereby corrupting the environment and displacing Bambi on unprecedented scales with marginal energy returns. However, the green[backs] are good.

Mark - Helsinki

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Mark - Helsinki

my bad my bad mod sorry

n.n

A liberal orthodoxy that denies individual dignity (e.g. [class] diversity), denies human rights and evolution (from conception), and denies dabbling in scientific mysticism (i.e. conflation of logical domains). Whatever happened to “separation of Church and State”?

drednicolson

The concept of individual human dignity has intellectual roots in monotheism. Be wary of blanket criticisms. 🙂

commieBob

It could be worse.

”We are still getting shocks from what we find,” says the film maker Klaus Wendler, a spokesman for an East German Government committee that is now sifting through the Stasi’s five million files. ”Musicians were forced to spy on fellow musicians, students were coerced into spying on friends, and children were duped into spying on their parents.” link

James Francisco

“The people who traumatise our children also publicly wonder why so many turn to drugs. It should be obvious. I mean, if authority figures convince a child the world is about to end, that it is all their parent’s fault, that there is nothing they can do to avoid a horrible death, what do you say to those same children, to convince them to do their homework?”
I was trying to imagine a teachers response if some of the kids would ask the teacher who just told them that the world was burning up, why should they bother learning anything if they were going to die soon.

Menicholas

We have a solution being discussed by Trump: School choice.
When parents are allowed to choose how to educate their kids, they will vote with their feet.

StarkNakedTruth

Exactly! Smart parents don’t send their kids to Marx-O-Crat indoctrination camps. (RE: Public schools)

Resourceguy

It’s in high priced private schools too at least as invited speaker zealots collecting contact information from students while spouting warnings that have already been dis proven.

jake

Sorry to say, I lived under Nazism, then Communism, where both regimes required that children not be present when parents talked against the party line. Brainwashing of the ultimate sort, for a child’s utterance could cost a parent’s life. Sorry again to say that this adopted country, USA, seems progressing in that direction. One must be careful speaking to a child, adolescent, young adult, or young parents; they think one is stupid, uninformed about global climate change. A whole generation brainwashed, lacks the understanding the difference between climate and weather, never mind “global.” The environmental education strains relationships among generations. Even an innocent question such as “when did the climate stopped changing?” is perceived as an insult. I guess the teachers’ unions take care of keeping the teachers in-line.

I remember doing air raid drills in elementary school. All part of the fear campaign against the godless communist Soviet Union. Even at that age I was intelligent enough to know that “duck and cover” wasn’t going to save me from a nuclear blast.
There has to be a boogeyman and right now it’s climate change.

TA

It depends on how close the blast is. Duck and cover may very well save your life. Lots of people lived after the Hiroshima blast because they had something substantial between them and the fireball. Even close in to ground zero.
I read the book “Hiroshima” when I was ten years old. It was eye-opening.

4 Eyes

It clearly is specific issue brainwashing. There is little doubt that the child not would have any grasp of the physics involved. Therefore the only reason for the child to query grandpa is that the child is brainwashed. Scary.

David Ball

I find Inhofe’s granddaughter’s wording interesting;
‘Why is it you don’t understand global warming?’
As though it is just a simple matter of clearing up Popi’s confusion. That Popi is simply ignorant of the facts.
The source clearly does not understand that Inhofe has been educating himself on this subject for decades and could probably teach the child’s educator a thing or two on the subject.
What does it also say about the “educator’s” level of intelligence?

TA

“‘Why is it you don’t understand global warming?’
As though it is just a simple matter of clearing up Popi’s confusion. That Popi is simply ignorant of the facts.”
That’s pretty common among alarmists. Many of them are so sure of the rightness of their position, that they rationalize the attitudes of skeptics as just being ignorant of the facts.
Or they go to the opposite extreme and think skeptics are deliberately trying to undermine a valid scientific theory.
That there are valid questions about the CAGW theory doesn’t even enter their minds. They don’t question it, so noone else should question it either, they think. Noone that knows anything, anyway. It’s what deluded people do to rationalize their positions: what doesn’t fit, is wrong.

Teachers tell students to resist peer pressure and make up their own minds… except regards climate change. then they tell kids they must listen to the consensus

Gunga Din

I was going to say something students being told to resist peer pressure but you beat me to it.
It seems times have changed.
Now kids are being told to conform to the peer pressure (As long it is the Politically-Correctly formed peer pressure.).

I home-tutored my kids. Perfect? No. But better than being taught defuses. Let’s see. “Dumbes kid in mah in the class.” Given a C- by his 4th grade teacher. After home-tutoring, got an 800 on SAT II, tutored calculus at age 17 and went to the IvyLeague.
Ask your children’s math teacher, “Did you take College Algebra in college?” It yes, that means your child’s teacher is a math cumbo.

David Cage

What it needs is a class action against climate science organisations for the entire cost of renewable energy the day the hundred months expires and we have not reached tipping point as claimed. They should also be made to use data that has never been modified after the date the first public claim had been made the science was beyond question as clearly if the science was beyond question on that date than any subsequent data changes have to be knowingly fraudulent.

tadchem

That’s why the socialists / progressives have been taking over the school system. They have been working this angle since the 50’s.

Andrew Duffin

When I was at school, they taught us how to think.
Now, they teach them what to think.

and many of them know that. I said to one of my classes (college level) last semester “you want self-driving electric vehicles and small houses, right” and the students replied “No! No one asks us what we want, they tell us what we want.”

Gary

The un-brainwashing must start at home. Let the children be taken in by some scam when they’re young – something simple and harmless like sn over-hyped toy. Then when it breaks, strategically remind them that you can’t believe everything people say without suffering the consequences. A few episodes like that will inoculate most of them for life. The current generation has been protected from suffering the consequences of their naivete — something that will bite them big time in the near future.

2PetitsVerres

I hope he had a snowball easily accessible to prove to his granddaughter that there is no climate change.

He never said there is no climate change,why perpetuate the stupid warmist lie?