"Green" Millennials set New Standards in Wasteful Consumerism

A bowl of Kellogg's Froot Loops cereal. Shown in a clear bowl with a spoon and milk.

A bowl of Kellogg’s Froot Loops cereal. Shown in a clear bowl with a spoon and milk. By Evan-Amos (Own work) [CC0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

As a climate skeptic I couldn’t care less about recycling, carbon footprints, “lights on” Earth Hour, or any of the other claptrap associated with the green religion. But the breathtakingly wasteful lifestyle choices of the allegedly green “Millennials” put my efforts to enjoy the advantages of consumerist living to shame.

Cereal, a Taste of Nostalgia, Looks for Its Next Chapter

“The cereal category is certainly shifting,” said Melissa Abbott, director of culinary insights for the Hartman Group, a consumer food research organization. “Consumers over all are less interested in industrially processed grains as a meaningful start to their day.”

Some organic and other brands perceived as more healthful are selling well, so General Mills has added three organic cereals to its Annie’s line of children’s foods. By April, it hopes to introduce Frosted Oat Flakes, Berry Bunnies and Cocoa Bunnies in Whole Foods stores.

Kellogg’s, which Mr. Bryant told investors this month had not always been on top of consumer tastes, is banking on a better mix of healthful cereals. It has just introduced a Nourish line of Special K with quinoa, and is looking at ways to repackage cereal into single servings and more eco-friendly bags.

The dream of all these companies is to capture the all-powerful and elusive millennial eater, who just isn’t all that into cereal for breakfast. It’s just too much work, for one thing. Almost 40 percent of the millennials surveyed by Mintel for its 2015 report said cereal was an inconvenient breakfast choice because they had to clean up after eating it.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/dining/breakfast-cereal.html

I mean, wow, I’m impressed. Millennials can’t be bothered eating cereal, because it is too much bother to sling the used bowl into the dishwasher – the cereal doesn’t come in a disposable container.

I’d love to see green ideas like reducing your carbon footprint get serious traction with that demographic.

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245 thoughts on “"Green" Millennials set New Standards in Wasteful Consumerism

  1. I had never even thought of washing up as belonging to the class of the ‘Inconvenient’

    • It’s not just that, it can also be dangerous trying to walk down stairs carrying a bowl of cereal to the basement of your parents home where most will be for about the next 30 years (because there is no demand for SJW’s with junk degrees @ McDonalds).

      • You can’t text on your phone and carry a bowl of cereal to the basement at the same time. Also, you can’t use your smart phone while washing up, the soap and water might damage it. So yeah, inconvenient.

      • Damn right SMC. When I was young, I was continually told how us Gen X’ers were this or that. All BS interpretation of us by the baby boomers. Now with Gen Y and the millennial, suddenly we (the Gen X’ers) look like gold.

    • Isn’t that why we have McDonalds? I think it was around before the millenials wasn’t it?
      Afterall they’ve copied this behavour from somewhere.

    • For many of them, the answer, unfortunately, is no. For the rest, it is inconvenient.
      The American millennial is truly a sight to behold. From a discreet distance, of course.

    • You people don’t understand. They eat where they work — McDonald’s. — Eugene WR Gallun
      (Alright, I admit it, that remark is beneath my sense of humor.)

      • I boil water then add the hot water to noodles. If you put water on noodles and put the whole thing in the microwave the noodles prevent uniform distribution of heat and so you get parts that are boiling, and will likely boil out making a mess inside your microwave oven, while other parts haven’t reached boiling temperature. Furthermore, the hot spots can be so hot as to melt the styrofoam and now you are eating some plastic.

    • I’m still trying to figure out where I left my “dishwasher”. I’m not sure what it is, but if it’s organic, it might appreciate that bowl of cereal for itself.

      • No, “healthful” is the correct word here.
        A “healthy” cereal is a cereal that gets plenty of exercise and has no diseases.
        A “healthful” cereal is one that helps you stay healthy.

      • Almost. Healthy is a state of health that one may or may not possess. Healthful is marketing lingo intended to imply that the product will contribute to one becoming or staying healthy.

      • Just another one of those American perversions of English that hurts your ears.
        The word is “healthy”. In any real dictionary, you will not find the word “healthful”.

      • British and Americans. Two peoples divided by a common language. I mean really, this is nothing new. Now I have to go open up the bonnet of my Lorry and give everything from the accumulator to the sump to the silencer pipes a good check.

      • Healthful, healthy
        helpful, helpy???
        The English language might be on to something here.
        Eugene WR Gallun

      • @rah
        Don’t you mean the hood on your truck. By the way, whiskey tango foxtrot do you mean by accumulator? Sump implies oil pan and silencer pipes are exhaust pipes but, accumulator?

      • “Healthful”? Well I’m an American (born & raised) and “healthful” just sounds like some millennial wanted to create a new word to connect to their peers. Just more blibber-blabber.

      • Unlike American kids on a warm day on the diamond (pitch) no self-respecting Brit would be caught shagging flies.

      • I’m an American, and a linguist by training, and during my entire lifetime (67 years now), we have been taught (yes, including in PSA’s) the difference between healthy and healthful. I just picked up my Concise Oxford English Dictionary (the British version–their American English product stinks!), and there was no obvious opprobrium visited on the entry for healthful; significantly, it is lacking their usual “chiefly American” tag, for what that is worth. On the other hand, many don’t bother making any such distinction, and so both words are used and received with both meanings, except by English Majors (Garrison Keillor has a lot to say on this demographic).

      • SMC
        You have it all correct. The accumulator = the battery. And my truck doesn’t have a boot = trunk) but it does have a cubby box = glove box or glove compartment. And in British terms I drive an “Arctic” for a living which is any articulated lorry. I’m almost ready for new dampers = shocks on my PU truck.
        Here is a link to British English language automotive terms compared to American English languish terms:
        http://www.team.net/sol/solterms.html

    • From, http://grammarist.com/usage/healthful-healthy/
      “Healthful vs. healthy
      Healthful is a centuries-old adjective that traditionally means promoting good health. Over the years it has been pushed out by healthy, which traditionally applied to anything that was in good health (usually a person). For example, a healthy person would be one who eats lots of healthful foods. But today, most writers would use healthy for both the person and the good food. This is a long-established convention and is certainly not wrong.
      Healthful is making a comeback, however, particularly in American and Canadian health writing (British and Australian writers have yet to go along). The change is not especially useful, however, because no one interprets a phrase like healthy snack to mean a snack in good health, so healthful‘s return is not preventing any confusion or ambiguity. Still, in good health and promoting good health are very different concepts, and having separate words for them is probably a good thing.”

    • I think “healthful” means it contains only non-GMO grains, contaminated weed seeds so the 3 people in North America who are actually allergic to gluten die of anaphylactic shock, of course it could mean it has no preservatives, so it full of mycotoxins because it get moldy in 6 hours; hard to tell out of context.

    • It is a word like “sustainable”, “organic”, or “diversity”.
      it is a word spoken by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

  2. The mind simply boggles. “Director of culinary insights for […] a consumer food research organization”? From somebody with a job title like that, who could ask for more?

  3. So, if cleaning up is too inconvenient, does that mean millennials either eat out (someone else cleans up) or consume foods where you tear open the wrapper, eat the food out of the wrapper, and then throw the
    wrapper away? Like a candy bar? Pillsbury should bring back their old Space Food Sticks.
    Dear Lord, they can’t rinse out a bowl?

    • Actually, considering the multitudes of “cereal bars” I see in the stores, I think the candy bar suggestion may be on the mark.

    • they can’t rinse a water glass.
      that’s why water comes in bottles.
      even though i mock them, ‘Give me convenience or give me death!’
      if you sell a product, you don’t make it a chore.

      • I’ve been considering the myriad of products I have purchased or were given to me, all of which require me to perform some activity other than enjoying them. I have no servants so I must perform or schedule for the performance of indicated chores, as I prefer to continue living.

    • I concur, I have a millenial as room-mate and he can’t rinse out a bowl or cup of coffee. He already can’t manage to put things in the dishwasher more than 30% or the time. He’s a COMPLETE WASTE.
      [ snip] MILLENIALS!
      A millenial.

      • I keep asking to no avail.. what the shazbut is a “dishwasher”? If I was given one at some stage in my life, please let it know I mean it no harm and will rescue it once I have a full description.

    • From what I have observed, it is also too inconvenient for them to walk to the nearest waste receptacle to dispose of the empty wrapper. Yesterday at the beach near the old Kona airport I picked up several abandoned food and drink containers and took them to the trash container no more than 20 feet away. Apparently these slobs have no respect, even for a paradise like Hawaii.

      • That reminds me of a few years ago in Melbourne, in an Eastern suburb fairly close to the city. I was walking up the High Street just behind a pair of young men, one of whom threw a large food wrapper down on the pavement close to a rubbish bin. I picked it up and gave it to him saying that you seem to have dropped this. He promptly dropped it again whereupon I repeated my effort. He threw it down again whereupon I picked it up and pushed it down his neck! and asked him not to spoil the area where we lived, thank you.

      • @Annie – In the US you could have been arrested for assault. That would be followed by demonstrations against your insensitivity toward this young man because you hurt his feelings.

      • @Annie:
        Well done. I would have done the same.
        Some years ago in a North Melbourne Macca’s car park, there were 2 kids (driving age) in their car pushing all their rubbish out the door onto the ground, with a bin not 10 feet away.
        Unfortunately, to report anyone of littering to any official body purposed for this task is fraught with far too much difficulty these days and taking the matter into one’s own hands can result in severe legal ramifications. Thanks Millennials, for [snipping] in your (and our) own bed.

    • Throwing the food wrapper away may constitute work. Like washing the bowl.
      I, personally, love cereal and eat it just about every day. It takes me about five seconds to clean the bowl and spoon.

    • Ah, anybody remember “danish-go-rounds”? They were delish… i heard they phased them out back in the 70s because apparently they had a tendency to crumble. Poor millenials don’t know what they’re missin’ in danish-go-rounds.

    • Mostly I either have a granola bar or a make biscuit sandwich. It’s not cleaning up that’s the problem, it’s sitting still for 10 minutes to eat it before my hour-long drive to work. It’s just more convenient to eat it in the car.

  4. Meanwhile the Elitist Green crowd uses their private jets to move around the globe while spewing their Green messages for the unwashed masses Church congregants to follow.

  5. US Millenials are the dumbest, least critically thinking generation in US history.
    The illusion of knowledge is worse than the knowledge of ignorance. They can think Al Gore and his 350.org ilk.

    • They don’t need knowledge, they have the internet for that! The internet: the greatest feel-good confidence-boosting electrified fooling machine ever invented. The internet makes 50% of the people who use it much smarter and competent; the other 50% become dumber, but more certain of their abilities and knowledge.
      Empowered and righteous morons able to communicate, coordinate efficiently and reinforce each others’ convictions/delusions is a worrisome thing.
      http://oi66.tinypic.com/x38qrl.jpg

      • Why bother using the energy to engage in critical thinking/actually researching when you can take 30sec to look up the Wiki entry and it tells you what you should think?

    • US Millenials are the dumbest, least critically thinking generation in US history.
      The illusion of knowledge is worse than the knowledge of ignorance. They can thank Al Gore and his 350.org ilk.

      Unfortunately I have to agree with you that they are the least critically thinking generation in history. There are many reasons for this, and Al Gore plays his part, but there is much, much more. I think it starts with educators who have been reduced to trying to put some facts into those little brains rather than teach them how to think and how to learn. High stakes tests work against teaching kids how to learn rather that just give them a laundry list of facts. The left-wing educrats are causing this and then they blame teacher for the results.
      Then there are parents that don’t have a clue how to raise kids to be strong and independent. Hell, just give them a safe place and guard against any “triggers”.
      The future looks dim. By the way, I have been in the belly of the beast for over four decades and watched the decline. I figure I’ll go to hell for my part in this abortion.

      • And tests to determine how much adults know about “science” are (almost (*)) a list of (often meaningless) factoids, some of which are now disputed (ex. aspirin vs. heart disease).
        (*) precautionary almost, it’s probably around 100,0 %

        One question, for instance, asked if scientists believe that warming would “increase the risk of skin cancer.” Skeptics were more likely than believers to know that is false.

        http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/02/12/study-global-warming-skeptics-know-more-about-climate-science.html
        I would bet that somebody, somewhere, has made such link (demonstrated with a model of the skin, the ozone or something). 😉
        In general, scoring 10/10 on these tests doesn’t demonstrate familiarity with the scientific method, only with the “science” gospel.

    • http://professorconfess.blogspot.com/
      One of the very best online blogs by a university professor that explains exactly what is going on in our schools. How students are encouraged to take many junk courses to run up the bill on them and then dumping them all into the streets to fend for themselves after being coddled endlessly.

    • I must disagree. The attributes you apply to Millennials belong to their parents. As the twig is bent so grows the branch.

      • Flyover Bob writes “I must disagree.”
        Well then get on with it! But I wonder why you *must* rather than merely choose to disagree?
        “The attributes you apply to Millennials belong to their parents. As the twig is bent so grows the branch.”
        How I wish there was a shred of truth to your remark. But there isn’t. I get my daughter’s attention at best a few minutes a week; she is on Facebook nearly 24 hours a day. That is where she meets other bent branches and likely where you met yours.
        Laws are meant to be broken. Social customs exist to be violated. When all the dishes are dirty eat something that does not require a dish. She drinks straight from the orange juice or milk jugs without the slightest concern for anyone else that might wish to pour some into a glass, mug or cup for more sanitary drinking.

    • I believe this is true and the statement applies across the Western world. In fact, this lack of curiosity and natural, analytical functionality is the main problem we are facing in climate politics. This is in spite of the powerful declarations by the public education overlords that “critical” thinking is their big focus. I can’t be surprised that whatever the education system focuses on is precisely what it fails at abjectly. I don’t know any better example of this than the banning of AGW skeptic books where a “critical” approach would require a careful and unbiased examination of the arguments. What university would pretend to be relevant with such a policy in place? Would Einstein have been banned for being anti-Newtonian?
      More to the point, what can be done to improve this aspect of education? I grew up in a family wherein very little was not open for discussion. Extensive arguments (not quarrels) took place around the underlying specifics of issues, with room all around to concede ground on some without abandoning one’s position wholesale. This was learning!
      What process in the schools emulates or approaches this? Sorry this is so long!

    • “US Millenials are the dumbest, least critically thinking generation in US history.”
      At least that’s the stereotype. I know it is humorous sometimes to gang up on the younger generation, but we should, as much as possible, treat everyone as an individual.
      As a Babyboomer, I have a lot of experience with being stereotyped improperly. According to the stereotype, Babyboomers were as worthless as the Millenials. All of them were hippies and self-centered dope addicts, and draft dodgers.
      Of course, that was not true. Boomers fit in all sorts of categories, some good, some bad, just like every other generation. But you wouldn’t know that if you listen to the stereotype.
      And I’m not saying don’t rag on the Millenials. It’s good for them! It will make them tough, and make them stand up for themselves. And some of them do provide a lot of comic material to work with.

      • Stereotypes do not arise in a vacuum. Berkely hippies do not define “boomers” but are a tiny subset of the generation that produced the American space program, computers and a great many other things.
        Millenials are not just the newest incarnation of the same old lazy youth syndrome.
        The nearest historical comparison is Rome in its twilight; but even that fails to capture the impact of the internet; the ability to almost satisfy your natural desires instantly so that you don’t have to work for anything; your “drives” have been short circuited. Maybe not *yours* but hopefully you get the idea.
        When I was young, if I wanted to see a grand vista, I had to hike and climb. Now you can just look at photos or fly a drone. It’s not quite the same thing; but close enough to satisfy your DNA, the urges wired into humans to generally keep them alive and keep the species seeking new realms. Now your realm is “virtual”, World of Warcraft; Skyrim, and the real world must be blotted out with drugs including tobacco and liquor.

  6. I have to walk 30-35ft to take my bowl to the dishwasher and then get back to my chair….. It so tires me out there must be something easier that involves less work please help me.
    Of course these people will then hop into their cars and drive miles to the Gym to be in an air conditioned room and run miles on a machine whilst listening the music and getting nowhere!
    James Bull

    • I noticed that years ago – they built a rec center here. Even when there’s nothing wrong with the weather outside. Crazy.

      • Have you noticed that many will drive around the fitness center or rec center several times to get the closest parking spot?

      • We have a gym in town (Perth) which is in the basement level of a building with both stairs and an escalator providing access. It always bemuses me to see the lycra-clad lovlies, mamils etc using the escalator to gain access. To go do down one level. Where gravity assists in converting potential to kinetic energy.
        At least I walk to my gym and back. Yes, in lycra shorts. Not my problem… I don’t have to look at it 😛

    • I am relaxing on my patio in Tucson AZ in a hoodie sweatshirt. Scorpio is hanging above my right arm when I look up. John Denver ballads are wafting from my Amazon Echo. It is a cool night herehere in the Old Peublo. Sitting in front of a TV in an AC controlled living room has no appeal to me.
      this has been one of the coolest May-June’s in my 30 memory of Tucson weather.

      • During the previous Cold Cycle from 1960-1980, I lived in Tucson and it was very, very wet especially in winter and very cold. I had no central heating in my little pre-WW1 home and so I bought a bunch of old fur coats from Value Village and turned these into blankets. It even snowed! Welcome back the cold cycle, it turns the desert quite green.

      • Hail and well met, neighbor.
        What was the year that the Santa Cruz ice broke sometime in May and it didn’t refreeze until late September? This year is nothing like that (although the usual suspects are screaming about last weekend…). The back lawn loved the unusual heavy rain the other day, too.
        (For those who don’t live here – the Santa Cruz is a normally bone-dry riverbed down here. One of the local TV stations started a contest for “guess when the ice will break on the Santa Cruz” – i.e., the first day with a triple digit high.)

    • there must be something easier that involves less work please help me

      OK.
      “30-35ft to take my bowl to the dishwasher and then get back to my chair”
      So one way is ~15-17 ft. Table—-Sink.
      Ever play basketball? No Problem.
      Glad I could help.

    • What amazes me: those who purchase gym memberships and work out while paying a landscaping company to mow their third of an acre lot. Just one more reason why so many are just a paycheck or so from being homeless.

    • Its Gramma!!
      The ultimate Green recycling!!
      Monty Python: “Bring out your dead!!”
      Soon it will be be “Deja vu, its 1374 all over again.”

      • “…it’s 1374 all over again.”
        With wind power on the rise, we’re getting there faster than you might realize. Liberals, harnessing the energy of yesteryear. 12th century technology for tomorrow’s energy needs.

  7. There are styrofoam and paper bowls. (I hate eating out of them myself, but have had to resort to them at times due to arthritis)

  8. Thinkin’ back now… I always figured Special K and Corn Flakes and all that was to avoid the ‘cleaning up’ and general preparation annoyance of PORRIDGE which I was fed almost daily and in 3 flavours namely… Sunny Boy, Cream of Wheat and Red River Cereal. Milk and brown sugar was the topping.
    For some reason my Irish mother never proffered oatmeal which I only had at my cousin’s place.
    Point is… sometimes you just have to laugh rather than write an article.

    • The problem of cleaning up after making porridge has now been solved. (see link)
      Here in the UK many people now buy the oats handily packed in a disposable bowl.
      The reality is that nobody really needed to cook porridge during the last hundred and fifty years because rolled oats are already cooked in a kiln at the factory.
      It is perfectly possible to eat oats which have been mixed into cold milk or water.
      So no mess or inconvenience was ever really necessary.
      But at least now it is possible for people to pay 10x the regular price for oats and to create some plastic waste every time that they eat this tiny quantity of food.
      https://www.quaker.co.uk/oat-and-porridge-product-range/breakfast-on-the-go/quaker-oat-so-simple-pots

  9. “cereal was an inconvenient breakfast choice because they had to clean up after eating it.”
    Not really – you just use paper a paper bowl and plastic utensils. When done, jut toss in the garbage. End of problem.

    • Which is the same argument the electric car people make. Just plug it in. No pollution.

  10. At risk of “angrifying” the mod gods, an Off topic,
    To my UK friends here at WUWT.
    Brexit is a hot topic.
    The US President Obama has told you of costs to your economy if you go yes on Brexit.
    The EU elites have warned of economic downsides of Brexit.
    They are Socialists. They embrace Big Government.
    They want Britons to be their servants. To accept their Climate Change. To accept their emigration-defining Demographic change to islamic immigration domination.
    But what of your self freedom? Of self destiny? A British 2016 Declaration of Independence may be in order, a declaration from Brussels bureaucrats who would dictate how many 100k’s of African immigrants you must take on the detriment of your children.
    Your 1940 RAF grandfathers fought and died for Britain. They paid a price with their lives for your freedom.
    Your 1940 Royal Navy HMS Hood crew fought and died for Britain. They paid a price with their lives for your freedom.
    Your 1940 Londoners died and endured though the Darkest Hours to ensure your freedom. They paid a price with their lives to show a
    dictator would not take their freedom without a fight.
    Will you now give away the sacrifices of your grandparents, because Cameron, Obama and their elitist and Socialist ilk tells you it will cost you???
    Brexit is freedom. Freedom has always had a price.

    • `Joel
      After the usual ” British football crowds ” performance in France I am 100% sure that all Europeans will agree with you.
      What a Sh.. people.

    • My 1942 RAF father did indeed fight and die for Britain. He did not fight and die so that arrogant self-opinionated oafs like Johnson and Farage could have their own way.
      The EU is not perfect — what government is — but in this 21st century, 24/7, Internet and smartphone world of instant communication, the concept of frontiers and the sort of 19th century sovereignty that Brexiteers hanker after is not “freedom” in any way that makes any sense.
      I am voting Remain and I am pretty sure my father would be as well.
      Shut up!

      • No, I for one don’t plan to shut up.
        EU, tarrif barriers, customs unions all old thinking that went out with the Corn Laws. Not sure that young people in Greece, Spain, Portugal or soon Italy and France would agree with your assessment of the benefits of EU government.
        A government that cannot be dismissed is no use to the people it seeks to govern. It’s the EU that’s seeking to get its own way by threats and coercion.
        Please watch this, for the sake of your grandchildren.
        https://www.brexitthemovie.com/

      • Newminster June 12, 2016 at 2:42 am said “Shut up!”
        That’s what your father fought against.

      • My 1942 RAF father did indeed fight and not die for Britain. He did not fight and not die (till later) so that arrogant self-opinionated oafs like Junkers and Schulze could have their own way.

      • “The EU is not perfect — what government is”
        Don’t live there so only know what I read in the news, but do know that bigger/more complex is not a solution. Now just imagine what a one world gov would be like..would have to be close to a dictatorship to even be functional.

      • Newminster
        So you think being governed by an invisible, non-accountable elite is what your 1942 RAF father fought and died for? Silly old fool. (I admit to being an American who realizes he is butting in.)
        Eugene WR Gallun

      • My dad signed up one week after war was declared (sent home the day of – too many for intake). Fought in France, came off at Dunkirk and went to North Africa. He was probably in for the adventure but he was also very loyal. He was an optimist, who always believed he could make a positive difference and that it was his responsibility to be involved in the issues of his community and country and to “fight the good fight”.
        I believe in this case he would agree with the frustrations of the Brexit side but not want to see Europe fall apart if that really is a risk. Russia hopes it does. Eastern Europe fears it might. Europe is infested with anti- Anglo Socialists. That’s the problem.

      • Oh dear, Mrs. Newminster. “Shut up !”, you exclaim.
        Well, you can exclaim all you like but as you said yourself, you need to
        understand what sovereignty actually is of course.
        Do please have a read of the Magna Carta: it’s quite a bit to digest of course and requires translation for the most part but it seems to have stood the test of time (generally). The folks in the Northern America adopted it too. It was written fairly recently about eight hundred years ago so it’s not the sort of thing available at your local shop: I think Her Majesty has a spare copy and I know she’s at home today.
        We’re not easily frightened and we know how hard it is to cross the channel: the last little corporal that tried it ‘came a cropper, so don’t dictate to us until you’re marching up Whitehall: and even then we won’t listen.
        Courteous Regards,
        WL

    • To return this to at least a topic relevant to the climate/renewables theme of the blog in general.
      Here is a perfect example of the application of punitive E.U. import tariffs.
      Applied in this instance to protect internal E.U. solar manufacturers from external competition.
      But – no consideration is given by the crony-socialist bureaucratic elite – for the consumer.
      As a potential consumer of solar panels living in the E.U., why am I not allowed to choose from a range of suppliers. Why am I not allowed to locate the supplier who offers me the best value for my money and then purchase my panels from that supplier.
      Why is the E.U. interested in punishing suppliers in China for offering a product that is preferable in terms of value for money. Why are they interested in obstructing me in my desire to obtains and install cheap solar on my house.
      I don’t live on the grid – and yet if I wanted to install 5kw of solar electric and then hoover my house using the power from those panels with a brand new 2.2kw vacuum cleaner.
      Then – in this example the panels would be 70% more expensive and the new vacuum cleaner would be have been banned altogether in the E.U. internal market.
      So I cannot privately vacuum clean my own house using renewable energy, without the E.U. attempting to shut down my illicit solar powered vacuum cleaning operation!!!
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/06/07/the-lunatics-have-taken-over-the-continent-europes-import-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-cells/#7166e2ad4949

    • Many my ancestors died or were injured fighting to give and preserve the freedoms I enjoy today. Chief among those freedoms is the right to self-government. I feel I owe future generations the same sacrifice, if required.
      It is profoundly saddening to see how many Brits feel that saving a few quid is worth ceding those freedoms.

  11. I’m surprised by your comment that recycling is claptrap. Is there really nothing you’d prefer didn’t go into landfill e.g batteries?
    Whilst I do struggle with the apparent (f)utility of recycling newspaper and cardboard, recycling metal seems wholly appropriate, given its energy cost for extraction and purifying, and the limited number of places, and heence reserves, that it can be hauled out of the ground from.
    The benefit of glass recycling sits somewhere between paper and metal in my view, and plastic recycling is surely better than leaving it in non degradeable heaps underground?
    I’m just curious why’d you said this. Am I perhaps just fooling myself when I take my tins to the collection point?
    Ta.

    • Is there really nothing you’d prefer didn’t go into landfill e.g batteries?

      Now, we would not be throwing out the old “All Or Nothing” fallacy, would we. Tsk, Tsk.
      Where recycling makes sense, people do it and it does not require laws, regulations, and mandates. Copper, aluminum and steel all have functional scrap markets. For high value items like printer cartridges, there are consumer buy-back programs. No one would think of crushing a printer cartridge just to recycle the plastic.
      Recycling paper is a deadweight loss. It makes a mess and costs more energy than it saves. Glass is no better, there is just no viable market for the mountains of crushed glass that have accumulated over the years, at least here in the US. Transportation costs are a killer too.

      • Paper fibres get smaller with each recycle. You can add a lot of fine paper from a first recycle to the new mass, but only a small amount of rough cardboard made from many recycles.first recycle has some value, several times through material is just for the image of virtue.

      • Paper recycling can also have unintended consequences. The more paper that uses recycled material, the less need for “virgin” material from trees. If there is less demand, it becomes less lucrative to have a woodlot with continuous replanting. If the value of having a tree farm for paper drops below the value of other uses, an owner is likely to use the land in another way, which usually means clearing the land. In short, more recycled paper = less trees/forested land. Recycling kills trees!!!
        I am not advocating that people stop recycling, and I am certainly not encouraging wastefulness. My point is that even seemingly virtuous actions may have a downside or hidden cost. Life is always complex, no matter what anyone claims.

    • Most recycling isn’t cost-effective, metals yes, the rest, probably not.
      The big problem seems to be the mixture of materials used in each packaging item, different types of plastic for the bottle, the cap & the label. They’ll all need separating before recycling, something machines can’t do & the western world’s rates of pay are too high for it to be done manually.
      Many towns & cities in the UK have separate containers for householders to put different types of recyclables in, paper & cardboard in one, plastics another etc.
      It seems to be the case, that it all gets chucked into the back of the same bin lorry!
      Another bit of EU lunacy, where the materials “recycled” are measured at the kerbside.
      Steel is currently so inexpensive, that “tin” cans aren’t worth recycling, if you want to scrap your car, it’s worth maybe £50.

      • The EU simply wants you to get used to following orders, no matter how stupid they are. The orders they can push on you in the future simply get more horrendous very slowly. The frog in the boiling water routine at work. The progressives in the U.S. have managed to push Americans so far from our constitution using this technique that we are now over an abyss and it is inevitable that the whole nation will come crashing down sooner or later.

    • Try this Dermot http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/10/are-we-recycling-too-much-of-ourtrash/
      quote: “Last year, I coauthored a research study to estimate society’s optimal recycling rate. Results surprised us – society’s best recycling rate is only 10%. And only specific recyclable materials should be included in that 10%. What drives these results?”
      basically it came down to aluminium and paper recycling being good, everything else actually requires more energy input than is saved above manufacturing from raw materials. Of course this assumes ‘recycling’ in an industrial process rather than what we older folk knew – I think they call it ‘repurposing’ these days. You know, where you use an old cupboard for firewood or wash an old jar and fill it with nails or pickled herring or whatever, rather than crushing everything and extracting the bits
      etc..

      • 10% is a good number. Greenies can use their fingers to count. The rest of this however, is sufficiently complex that it must be deemed politically incorrect and therefore banned! A thinking tax may apply.

      • I endorse “recycling” not because it is cost effective but because it is litter effective. It is useful to brainwash all the unthinking urchins in school that “recycling” is “good”. That reduces the amount of waste that I pick up in the ditches along the roads and on the bush trails where I ride my horses. I have seen many horses and people lamed by broken glass tossed by unthinking litterers. If getting a dime back for a bottle, can or juice box gets people to stop tossing them out, I am all for it.
        There is a place around the “Four Corners” in the US where years ago you couldn’t see the ditch bottom for all the glass.
        A small fine for littering doesn’t help. But if children get trained to return their bottles and cans to the recycle depot instead of throwing them out in the bush, I am all for it. Sometimes it doesn’t have to be economic narrow view. But add in the cost of all the volunteers who clean ditches of debris every spring and maybe the cost benefit changes.
        (Excluding the forest fires caused by tossing cigarettes out the car window.)

      • Wayne, sounds a lot like you are endorsing indoctrination. But only so long as you agree with the objective.

    • Dermot O’Logical wrote, ” … recycling metal seems wholly appropriate … ”
      Apparently not at the curb.
      Do not include scrap metal, car parts, wire and cord, or other metal objects in your curbside recycling. These metal objects are dangerous for the workers and the sorting machinery at the Materials Recovery Facility (MRF or recycling plant). Take the items to a local scrap yard.
      http://cuyahogarecycles.org/RecyclableInfo.aspx?ID=31
      Beer cans yes. Other metal such as copper wire and aluminum siding (that is valuable enough that thieves strip it from empty houses) no.

    • As per TinyL, either something is worth recycling, in which case it’s self financing, or its dangerous for landfill, in which case you make a law,. or its ok for landfill, so fill the land.

    • Dermot, thats why they have recycling plants. You chuck out the rubbish, a resource, they capture it and recycle it. Simple but clearly not understood.

  12. Washing up issues at the end of the ‘The greatest decade in the history of mankind’.
    Withnail: [looking at the kitchen sink overflowing with dirty dishes] Oh, Christ almighty. Sinew in nicotine base. Keep back, keep back! The entire sink’s gone rotten. I don’t know what’s in here.
    [he picks up the kettle on the stove. It’s too hot so he drops it]
    Withnail: Aargh! Aargh!
    Marwood: I told you, you’ve been bitten!
    Withnail: Burnt! Burnt! The fucking kettle’s on fire!
    Marwood: There’s something floating up.
    Withnail: [lunges towards the sink] FORK IT!

  13. Did I miss something – where did it say “Green” millennials and even if it did I don’t really see the point of the article except extremely trivial mud-slinging at the “other” side……why is this getting on WUWT as a feature article?

    • @ Michael Spurrier:
      You aren’t the only one…I’m wondering what all the brew ha ha is about too. The article was interesting in that breakfast choices have switched back to what they were before the heavy sugared cereals hit the market and catered their commercials to kids.
      From the article:
      “And when they do eat breakfast, a bowl of cold cereal is often replaced by hot grains, smoothies, yogurt or breakfast sandwiches.”
      In other words, Kellogg’s Frosted Flakes and General Mill’s Sugar Pops are not the first choice for breakfast anymore. Nothing wrong with that and it shows that something interesting might be happening in the cereal market. Where sugared cereal has gone from a staple for breakfast to a snack or even a dessert.
      Of the cereals chosen they were the least sugared variety on the market.
      So how does this article relate to Green Millennials are more wasteful? I don’t get it at all. What I read was there is a change in the sugared cereal market…that’s all. As for the 1 statistic that was pulled for the reason why cold cereal wasn’t chosen–too much of a bother to clean up–if anyone has ever looked at one of those surveys, there are a lot of questions that are MULTIPLE selections. So what were the other selections?
      This article is not worthy of WUWT because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Climate and everything to do with a market that has been dominated by sugar coated kid friendly characters for far too long in my opinion.

      • My wife explained it to me from her experience working with snowflakes, she pointed out individual serve packets in the shop and told me of the youngsters she sees on the train in the mornings eating their heavily sugared yogurt and chocolate cereal bars (cake) each morning whilst chugging at the water bottles. Quite different from the way I was raised when cereal was bought in the largest most economical sizes.
        I’ve not heard of Frosted Flakes or Sugar Pops, our cereals were always plain wheat or oat based things, the only sugars included came from dried fruits .. and breakfast was eaten at home from a bowl – not on the street, masticated in public.

      • Puffed wheat in a 5 gallon bag. Powdered milk sometimes. Yuck! We weren’t righteous, we were poor! Lol

  14. The Snowflake Generation has got to be one of the laziest (both mentally and physically) in human history.
    To avoid even a modicum of critical thinking, it establishes “safe-spaces” and/or screams down anyone that expresses an idea not EXACTLY in accordance to their brainwashed irrationality, lest they be offffeeeeended…
    Generation Snowflake thinks the right NOT to be offended is enshrined in the Constitution, when the opposite is true. If you’re not offended at least 10 times a day, you’re likely living in a country where freedom of speech, ideas, debate and assembly are not protected.
    Hate speech is actually protected under the Constitution (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1963), and rightfully so.
    Now comes this survey showing 40% of the Snowflake Generation thinks putting a bowl in the dishwasher is too much work…. What, do these lazy Snowflakes expect the State to provide home helpers to cook, feed and cleanup after them?
    Given how entitled and lazy this generation is, they probably do…

    • To avoid even a modicum of critical thinking, it establishes “safe-spaces” and/or screams down anyone that expresses an idea not EXACTLY in accordance to their brainwashed irrationality, lest they be offffeeeeended…
      http://oi67.tinypic.com/2rm85s6.jpg

    • This is the generation whose parents were well-to-do. So they pampered their babies, gave them everything except discipline, and constantly told them that were special. Because we can’t hurt their precious feelings. The result is now we cannot have awards for good work, otherwise someone’s feelings might be hurt. So no more valedictorians, now everyone gets a trophy. Clearly, someone always cleaned up for them, so they never learned how to do something so simple as to wash a dish.
      Because they have been told all their life that they are special, this generation really does think they are their ideas are the best ideas. Schools never taught critical thinking, only how to take tests. This is the generation that goes to the street to protest the government’s warrantless wiretaps, but then turns around and tells Facebook that exact same information, and more. They protest the evils of capitalism while blogging about it on their iPhones, a device with a very high markup. They complain when the police using fake cell towers to track suspects, but when I tell them how much tracking is in Windows 10, their answer is “so what?” (P.S. Why would a multi-billion dollar corporation demand you take an expensive piece of software from them for free?)
      They were never taught the essential skills in life. Like hard work and the value of money. So they go off to college, take a useless but easy major whose only career choice is to be a teacher of that subject, and then wonder why they cannot get a well paying job like their parents who took useful majors in college or learned a useful trade skill. Have you noticed that Bernie Sanders biggest supporters are young people? He is promising them free everything, just like their parents did. And since they have no jobs and thus plenty of free time, they are ready to be loud with their untenable opinions.
      Generation snowflake is right. It reminds me of how happy I am that my parents didn’t pay for my college even though they could afford it, how they spanked and slapped me when I needed it, and taught me to the essential skills in life. They made me a better person, not just a two year in an adults body.

  15. You see, it is the rinsing of the bowl that is too much work. In fact (serious here) putting the dish, still dirty, into the dishwasher is the best use of your water. Pre-rinsing uses a fair amount of water and takes time. There are exceptions, of course; particularly sticky or baked-on food may not come off in the dishwasher. However, a little bit of milk, sweetened (of course) by the sugar covering or content of the cereal, will wash easily off the bowl. To save water, make sure the dishwasher is full before you run it. To save electricity, turn the machine off (being sure also to disconnect it at the plug) just after the wash cycle is complete, use a dish towel to swab off any water on the tops of glasses or other dishes, and leave the machine open so the dishes can air dry. The contents are plenty hot (if you used hot water) and will dry easily.
    I don’t have an easy solution for the problem of putting the dishes away. You just have to do it. If you hum Rossini’s ‘William Tell’ Overture lustily enough, the time will pass quickly. Just don’t throw the dishes.
    I apologize for writing what is already known or self-evident to the vast majority of you.

    • Oatmeal with Milk turns into a very tenacious mess if it dries in the bowl, I suspect it would make a very serviceable paper glue for the kids. Milk is the binder in both milk paint and whitewash, letting it dry in bowl or glass is a sure way to raise the ire of the family dishwasher, and in most families, it would be considered volunteering for an extra turn or two on dish duty.

  16. as a total sceptic I STILL recycle and reuse everything I can
    I did it way before the co2 scam and will keep doing so
    plastic wrap and packing gets save for firelighters:-)
    cloth and stuff lines flowerpots ,gets used for animal bedding or gets rotted down in the yard somewhere
    no metal leaves the place unless is so rusty or knackered i cant find another use for it somewhere and then thats in the scrap dealer pile for when he eventually calls by.
    all my wire fencing and star droppers are ex tip salvages:-)
    I get brilliant nuts bolts fence support pins etc from the tip
    painted my house with salvaged paint took a while but eventually you can get enough part tins to make enough.
    glass jars n bottles saved for sauces and jams and cordial etc the agee twist lids seal down just fine.
    foodwaste goes to chooks dogs or the sheep and then becomes wonderful poop to add back to the garden that produced the food.
    paper is firestarters or in a good yr I make logs from it.
    its not hard
    a damn sight easier than the crazy recycle bins routine.

    • pzspeaksup — Ok, so that is your hobby. My hobby is playing WOW. Maybe we both need to get a life. — Eugene WR Gallun

      • ozspeaksup — Should have added — we are slaying imaginary monsters. — Eugene WR Gallun

      • My wife and I just bailed on WoW after many, many years and we’re back in our unruly garden beating it back into shape. I used to hear the elderly in my family decry the game as a waste of time, while they spent hours playing scrabble or bridge. Gardens, WoW, games, writing books, playing music, religion.. life’s purpose is still a mystery but I’ve learned people find their pleasures where they can. On the wow side, I racked up the largest pool of gold and the most achieves in the guild .. I doubt I’ll be playing again as psychs Bliz employs have emphasized the grind over enjoyment. Negative reinforcement got me down. Given it’s a monthly sub, they don’t NEED to have people on 8 hours a day seven days a week – but that’s the way they’ve geared it all for raiding. Still, you have fun 🙂 I’m back at rebuilding my old 1970 Fury and tinkering with stirling engines and loving it

  17. We do not have a dishwasher, everything piles up by the sink until someone’s pig-sty-level is exceeded.

    • “pig-sty-level” Now that’s diversity!
      When I’m done cooking, you can’t tell the kitchen has been in use and the dishes are done as they are brought in; crank up the hot water faucet, rinse

      • Hmm.. hit something and my reply posted… anyhow
        …rinse quickly, a few drops of dish soap, quick scrub with abrasive pad, hot water rinse, 5-7 seconds to drain/evaporate that hot water, fast dry with a towel and put away.
        My point to Robin is that my wife is from the Robin Hewitt School of Dish-washing and she thinks I’m nuts and I think she’s nuts. However the diversity in our household seems to work as the state of our kitchen has varied between those extremes for what will be 40 years in October.

      • Don’t clean your keyboard while you type! Can you spell OCD? Just kidding, I clean as I go also. It’s most efficient.

  18. I will state that this article is somewhat misguided: “Millennial” is an age-group, and that study does not reference whether the subjects espouse “green” ideology, thus the article title is misleading.
    Secondly, you overlook the other aspects of ‘clean up’: namely that cereal can be much messier to eat ‘on the go’ or in work environments, apart from simply “washing the bowl”. Many young people have busier lives in modern times, or simply don’t wish to risk spills on a laptop or related.
    It is somewhat ironic to recommend dishwashers when of course at the time of their invention, much was said about the ‘laziness’ of the people who chose to use them.
    The potential for spills together with making washing work and the sugariness of the common cereal products thus leads to busy young people often choosing to just have something like a banana for breakfast, which is both convenient and healthy.
    Articles like this, mocking an entire age group while missing the other side of the story (a busy med student for example), detract from the purpose of this site. The same as one can be supportive of developing solar cell efficiency for ground and space application, while still being more dubious of ‘global warming doomsday’ claims.

  19. I tried to teach my kids that you can just sit there and shove fistfuls of flakes into your pie hole. No cleanup, and the box, depleted or empty, slides conveniently under the divan.

  20. Poor dumb millennials. Kellogg’s made cereal singles since the 50’s. and if you look at the box it has lines to cut it open and make it the bowl. Completely disposable.

  21. They are the laziest cohort. KDE has come out with a microwave version of their orange slime. The original version took all of 5 minutes to make!

  22. My parents came from a generation of eco friendly environmentally conscious people. Of course, back then everyone reduced, re-used and recycled because they couldn’t afford not to. When you knew that your food had been shipped across the Atlantic despite the best efforts of u-boats trying to stick a torpedo in it, then you have a better understanding of its value.

    • If things keep progressing the way they are between China, Russia and the USA, far too many people are likely to get a crash course in that lesson once again.

  23. ‘. This action will open a modal dialog.
    When it comes to a delicious and nutritious breakfast, King Vitaman rules. The sweet and tasty little crowns pack a royal crunch of corn. You loved it as a kid, so why not treat the loyal subjects in your castle? This tasty breakfast cereal is fit for a king, queen, prince or princess.
    Good source of 11 essential vitamins, minerals and iron ‘
    ______________________________
    You know that Vitamins in the end are just
    acids –
    so mechanic fabricated to slushies, moreover combined with the new silliness ‘superfood’ – even more acids – you’re always walking on the brink of self intoxication.

  24. I have to object to this overall painting of an entire generation as lazy and unproductive. I teach college physics, am a conservative, and climate skeptic, and will retire in about two years. The Millenials I have had as students in the last 8 years of so are the best students I have seen in 34 years of teaching college. In fact the two top students I have ever worked with graduated in 2015 and 2013; both women, and both now doing some amazing, ground breaking work in graduate school. There is no comparison between these students and the students from about 1998-2007, who were the epitome of “entitled”.
    Now, that being said, I do know that the science students I encountered both in physics and when teaching the intro physics course for bio/chem/premeds, are very intolerant of their peers outside of the sciences. That’s where the majority of the SJWs reside. There is a schism in the Millenials, It’s just the 70% outside of the sciences and engineering get the press, while the other 30% quietly go about being smart and productive.

    • agreed, but I am already retired – didn’t mind the misguided, idealistic kids so much as their faculty; quit going to faculty assemblies completely that last few years … and I was dept chair, albeit natural sciences

    • Would you care to comment on what effect if any, the fin crisis/recession may have had on these cohorts?

    • An article in the WaPo magazine had all these GMU students going on about safe spaces and trigger warnings and all the other special snowflake ideas. It is all about common courtesy! *eye roll* I looked very carefully at the interviewed students’ majors. Every single one was a liberal (hah!) arts or social science (hah!) major, primarily in the more activist subjects.
      This confirmed my hypothesis that most of the current nonsense is coming from a particular corner. These subjects tend to encourage the idea that facts are not facts, interpretation is everything, anything is valid if you can make a good argument, and so on. Of course, current MO is to ignore any fact or idea that is politically incorrect or that one does not like, and to ignore what actually constitutes a good argument/defense.
      The other part of my hypothesis is that science majors generally avoid this fluff for two reasons. One, they generally understand the difference between facts and opinions (with the possible exception of AGW, in part because of the indoctrination), and are less likely to run on pure emotion. Two, they simply do not have time to waste constantly whining and protesting. When you attend classes and labs, write multiple weekly lab reports, read textbooks, and study for exams, free time tends to be more limited. When you have to know that 2+2=4, and you cannot get away with “making a case” for why the answer is 3, blowing off classes to protest the morality of the college’s food supply chain is a lot less attractive.

      • This is human nature. It has always been such. I’m a Boomer. The ones that got the TV time were the SJWs of my day. The rest of us put our noses to the grind-stone and kept on working. There is a split among the Boomers also. The bulk of the hippie types were As (1946-54, but not all of them). The bulk of the Boomers in number, the Bs, were born after that, though, (1955-64). Check out the raw live-birth numbers.

  25. Might it be possible that the Millennials are simply getting tired of one harangue after another about how they will be responsible for the destruction of the planet unless they do exactly what their betters tell them to do?

  26. They soon will want their food pumped into their body intravenously to avoid the hassle of chewing. They should just wrap themselves in bubblewrap and sit in their safe space all day. What a way to live. When some cataclysmic event happens – nuclear war, pandemic, Sweet Meteor of Death, whatever it is – these snowflakes will be the least prepared. I put my money on the people making $2 a day living in the least developed parts of the world. They have to scratch and claw for everything. They still have the natural instincts and skills to survive.

  27. Sorry, but I can see nothing referring to Green (unless you are taking colour) in the above intro.
    The intro has also the saddest statement I have seen for a long time from a presumably intelligent person
    “Guest essay by Eric Worrall
    As a climate skeptic I couldn’t care less about recycling, carbon footprints, “lights on” Earth Hour, or any of the other claptrap associated with the green religion. But the breathtakingly wasteful lifestyle choices of the allegedly green “Millennials” put my efforts to enjoy the advantages of consumerist living to shame.”

    • I completely agree. It’s like folks who drive around in Hummers grinning ear to ear at how much gas they consume. For the life of me, I don’t understand why anyone should oppose recycling and having a modest impact on the environment.

      • Because it’s all Cultural Marxist BS?
        We wouldn’t even be here if our ancestors had decided to ‘have a modest impact on the environment’

    • At first I was a little concerned by that first sentence, but in context, I believe the author is stating that he is unmoved by the reasoning behind the environmentalist pushed actions. When I see signs that say that not turning out the lights makes Algore cry, I have an unholy urge to run around turning all the lights ON. Being responsible and avoiding wastefulness are virtues in my opinion, but the self-righteousness and nonsensical claims of leftist greens are not reasons for the worthiness of those actions. I also think that the author is making the point that people who do not buy into the green nonsense are often tagged as wasteful consumerists, yet those pointing the finger are often significantly worse offenders.
      I turn off lights to keep my electric bill low and because waste of anything bothers me, not because OMG, Gaia is going to die if I do not. I try not to speed because I do not want a ticket and because better gas milage means spending less money at the pump, not because my emissions are going to raise temperatures a gazillionth of a gazillionth of a degree. (Also, safety.) Acting in an environmentally friendly way, in the best sense of the term, does not need to be inspired by climate doom and gloom lies. Based on the green cohort’s actions, such inspiration has limited effects on its acolytes anyway.

  28. I guess my question, then, is — do millennials actually eat breakfast, at all? For me (I’m 69), breakfast is the most important meal of the day. For 19 years, I got up at 3:55 AM every weekday morning to commute 75 miles one way to work. I liked cereal, because it was easy to make. I had two big bowls of Post Fruit and Fiber Cereal (not an endorsement), with reconstituted non-fat powdered milk every morning. I liked the cereal, because it tasted good, and it was actually heavy enough in my stomach, to make me feel like I ate something. I used the powdered milk, because I got tired of smelling the milk carton each morning, to see if the milk was turning sour. And I bought the store-brand generic milk, because it was dirt cheap. BTW I didn’t have this problem with the milk while in Germany — they sold UHT milk in smaller containers, and I could store them at room temperature until I opened them.

  29. Not attacking the mud slingers here but seriously folks….
    The Millennial generation is not learning in a vacuum–they learn from the generation(s) before them. So if you’ve got a problem with their ‘standards’ I suggest you look at your own.
    Remember when you point a finger, there are 3 pointed back at you.

    • The literature of every culture reveals a common lament, that the latest generation does not fit within yesterday’s measure.

      • I took a class about the history of gardens (it was for a historic preservation track), and at the start of one of the first classes, the professor read an extract from Pliny the Elder (IIRC) lamenting the current generation. It could have been written today. Tolstoy’s line about how “each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way” could be changed to “each generation is worse in its own way”.

    • Fair enough!q I have great, hard working and responsible kids. Also very green and principled. Any faults they acquired from me I blame on my parents. As for their qualities, thank you, thank you very much!

    • Sorry, but no. If everyone only learned from the previous generation, the morals, ethic, and values of society would never change. Each generation incorporates its own values, sometimes created out of whole cloth. What I have seen is that a critical number of youth in each generation sinks to the lowest acceptable level. When a society begins to stress acceptance of all levels, that decline becomes rapid.

    • You’re missing the point, Jenn. I am just had a back and forth with a 21yo, because we were picking on her idol, President Obama. It was really very sad. She had no idea when to use capital letters, and punctuation was generally a mystery to her.

      • I don’t think so at all. Every generation has its own identifier problems according to the previous generation. It happened with mine as I’m sure it happened with yours. The previous generation always going on and on and nitpicking the current one about intelligence, dilligence, responsibility and ethics. Yet with each suceeding generation we as a species advance our collective knowledge of the universe, ourselves and those around us. Each generation advances, sometimes slower and sometimes faster but the trend is forward.
        You could play devils advocate and claim the reason we move forward is because of the previous generations grumbling and there is something to that. But it is not the only reason. As humans we learn as we grow older and come to understand that certain ideologies we once held as absolute are more flexible later in life. But the one thing every generation has learned as it got older is the previous generation might be have been right when waving their canes about some things…..usually about the time they start waving theirs at the generation next in line. 🙂
        It’s one thing to grumble, it’s another to point a finger.

  30. How many is “too many”? My old hometown, Seattle, famous for its’ deep eco-wisdom, recently “outlawed” the dreaded plastic shopping bag; they were utterly convenient, disposable and sanitary (ho-hum). Apparently nothing signals virtue like FORCING other people, innocent bystanders, to use a cloth shopping bag. Everything I buy comes in a plastic bag or is containerized in some way, so why pick on the oh-so-useful plastic shopping bag? “Too many plastic bags” was their rationale for the “ban”. Are there “too many” banana peals or egg shells? Maybe their is a disposal problem, but nature itself loves containers. You can’t blame millennials for stupidity that seems to be everywhere.

      • In Portland, Oregon they first banned paper bags to “save the trees” and switched entirely to plastic. Then in a few years they banned plastic and went back to paper (saving trees lost its political clout). At first they mandated recycled paper bags but it rains a lot in Portland and the recycled bags (I speak this from multiple personal experience) were falling apart within 50 feet of the store. (Broken pasta sauce jars, broken pickle jars, broken almost everything jars encircled the supermarket.) Now their bags are all from freshly killed trees and hold up a lot better. And the store will sell you plastic bags for 25 cents each!
        Eco-economics! The road to hell.is paved with recycled products. But, hey, in Portland morality is political and decided by whatever green group is in ascendancy.
        Eugene WR Gallun

      • Good luck finding a paper bag at the grocery store, even where no bans exist. In D.C. and in Montgomery County in Maryland, customers are charged 5 cents per bag of any kind. I believe the money is supposed to go towards river cleanup but I have my doubts about where the money is really going. It is the new sin tax.
        Personally, I use plastic grocery bags as small trash can liners in bedrooms and bathrooms. I fail to see how this is less environmentally friendly than buying same-size plastic bags in a box at the store. At least my bags are being used twice. Extras go back to the grocery store. I also use the plastic bags to transport potentially messy things, usually things that might spill or leak. When the dog and cats were still around, newspaper bags were used for dog waste and litter box waste went in plastic grocery bags. I have no problem with cloth grocery/shopping bags, though I suspect most of us do not wash them as often as we should. Hello, germs.

      • Chris:
        Which means that instead of using the plastic bags for garbage bin liners, you have to BUY plastic bin liners. So where is the saving. I never throw out plastic grocery bags unless they are filled with something that is headed for the garbage bin.
        Biodegradability is a non-issue. Paper doesn’t degrade in a land fill. They have dug up old land fills with a proper cap, and found that the paper is perfectly preserved. So are most other things put into landfills. The whole idea of nasty things leaking out of landfills just doesn’t happen in properly constructed works.
        http://www.nytimes.com/1992/08/13/nyregion/seeking-the-truth-in-refuse.html
        All my paper and cardboard becomes fire starter but of course if you live in the city that isn’t an option.
        It was 7 degrees C outside this am so fireplace went on to take the chill off. It got all the way to 19 today. Loverly climate. High last month was 30, low was minus 3. SNAFU.

  31. As a climate skeptic I couldn’t care less about recycling
    This is not the kind of statement many of us would identify with or want to see in AUWT posts. CAGW might be wrong but it is still goid to recycle and protect the environment from real threats that can be avoided by reasonable lifestyle choices. No need to throw out the baby with the bathwater, environmentally speaking.

    • Not wanting to be patronising but –
      Eric, your prolific posts here are informative and entertaining, and you’re doing a great service taking the weight of Anthony. But the antics of the green goblins are making you see the red mist. Take a good break and some time to reflect. Then come back and continue your good work.

    • ptolemy2 — ok but just don’t try to force your choices on me as recycling laws do. — Eugene WR Gallun

  32. The Millennials we’ve hired in a software division that develops a cluster file system that runs on several operating systems have been pretty impressive, both technically and in non-geek terms.
    It helps they come from MIT, Brown, Stanford (non-swimmer), Libya, India, etc. It probably also helps when we don’t tell them it’s the most complex piece of software we’ve ever developed. 🙂
    Others, like my daughter, have their financial heads screwed on well, except maybe for the daily stop at Dunkin Donuts for coffee. Coffee is much cheaper brewed at home!

  33. P.J. O’Rourke from the great “All the Trouble in the World” in 1995:
    “And worrying is less work than doing something to fix the worry. This is especially true if we’re careful to pick the biggest possible problems to worry about. Everybody wants to save the earth; nobody wants to help Mom do the dishes.”
    Another gem:
    “The bullying of citizens by means of dreads and fights has been going on since paleolithic times. Greenpeace fund-raisers on the subject of global warming are not much different than the tribal Wizards on the subject of lunar eclipses. ‘Oh no, Night Wolf is eating the Moon Virgin. Give me silver and I will make him spit her out.”

    • I think mothers everywhere would confirm that first quote. 🙂 I have been saying for years that we worry about the wrong things. Oh no, it might be too hot for tigers in 2100, better spend all the tiger conservation funds on AGW reparations! Never mind that at the current rate, tigers will be extinct in a decade or two because of poaching and stupid land management. You cannot solve problems if you attack non-symptoms.

      • “You cannot solve problems if you attack non-symptoms.”
        But you can make a lot of money. If you actually solve a problem, the money flow stops.

  34. I’d love to see green ideas like reducing your carbon footprint get serious traction with that demographic.

    I think it was P.J O’Rourke who said “teenagers are in favor of cleaning up the environment everywhere except in their bedrooms.”

  35. Phew. Thankfully I did something right. My millennial children like to cook. Cleaning up not so much. But with enough threats you can get anyone to do anything. 😉

  36. Wow, amazing how one comment about millennials and their attitudes spawns a string of derogatory and condescending comments about the whole group.

  37. Amazing how one mention of millennials and their attitudes spawns a litany of derogatory comments.

    • Clearly you and arcticobserver are soulmates, brought together by fate and WUWT to share almost identical posts within 3 minutes of each other. Or just multiple usernames for the same troll.

    • It’s certainly crunchier that way. But, I find something satisfying about slurping the remaining milk out of the bowl after finishing off the cereal.

    • They actually can. You don’t have to buy the big boxes. You can get individually-packaged servings. Tear off the lid, pour in the milk, and you’re good to go. Can even use a plastic spoon so that you don’t have to wash that.

  38. It is really inconvenient when I go to my liquor cabinet and pour myself a few fingers of Jameson and even more inconvenient when I go to my humidor and choose a cigar, unwrap it, cut the tip and light it and totally inconvenient when I go out on my patio and start a fire in my fire pit so that I can enjoy all my inconveniences.

    • The horror, having to do such menial tasks yourself. Maybe you consider hiring some servants. 🙂

  39. I have not forgiven Kelloggs for changing their cereals nor Nestle Quik their powdered drink mix. I didn’t buy this stuff because it was “healthy”, I bought it because it tasted good. Last box of so-called “frosted” Rice Krispies looked exactly like regular ones. Invisible frosting, I guess. Quick now tastes so bad it’s undrinkable. Sigh.

  40. Not just the US. It is contagious.
    One of my frustrations of latter years is the difficulty of finding leaf tea and bars of soap in supermarkets. One has to scour through a wall of tea bags and fancy liquid soap pump pots to find a few lonely brands at the extreme top or bottom – if you are lucky
    Just last week it happened. In a huge wholesale supermarket a simple pack of leaf tea could not be found. I came home with a pack of lavishly branded tea bags: “packed to guarantee maximum freshness”
    So, first remove the plastic outer jacket. Then open the cardboard packet, Then, rip open each individual bag packet that consists of paper lined with plastic. Then put 3 in a pot. It does not draw well so one has to dunk or stir. At last a cup of tea!
    I decided to establish just how many other materials related to my humble cup of tea. The tea bag consisted of the porous bag, a piece of string, a tab and some glue. All this compared to one cardboard packet with a paper lining in the conventional pack. What is more, the leaf had been fine ground to provide “quick convenient drawing”
    Then comes the soggy mess afterwards – used tea bags in the rubbish bin along with all the other convenience material. Leaf tea goes straight down the sink or on the garden
    Somehow, I am not getting this convenience thing. I need to be enlightened
    Don’t open a tea pot shop

  41. It’s always the Millennials “causing” things. Funny. As someone who is variously catalogued as either GenX or Millennial – depending on one’s preferred definition, I find it humorous how often they get blamed for things they haven’t had time in the real world to even fully grasp and understand, let alone craft themselves.
    As for the bold of Eric Worrall’s post, and the myriad comments following it up, about the “laziness” of it all. It’s a terrible reflection on the Boomers that huff and puff about their children. It’s well and truly just the next step of perpetuation of a generational theft that’s been going on since before the GenXers came along.
    The Millennials exist in a world of problems – almost every single one of them a result of their parents, the Boomers, telling themselves that they are special and that they have fundamentally changed the world. What started as a generation who came into its’ own by heavily criticizing their own parents – who fought, died, and poured sweat into creating a better world for their children – took that world they were handed on a platter and proceeded to be the worst generation this world has seen. But you know what the Boomers’ parents had done? They stepped aside and use the fruits of their labors to buy a retirement.
    The Boomers? Well, they destroyed the economy of the Western World one step at a time, one company at a time. They destroyed the institutions that hundreds of years of their fore-bearers had setup. In one single, extremely long-winded generation running the show, we went from a government that was of, by and for the people and landed in a government that exists to perpetuate itself and is endlessly reliant on extended its control by wresting more and more out of vagaries of the written words. They moved us off the gold standard to make it easier to manipulate currency for their ends. Have agitated against anything that might ever get in the way of their own power and fortunes.
    Boomers even constantly kick the financial can down the road and forever bemoaning everyone but themselves as the cause for all of the worlds problems. The last time this happened was when GenX was coming of age. Remember the words that described them? Apathetic? Lazy? Anyone else getting deja vu? Hilariously, the apathetic label was applied by Boomer advertisers that were exasperated that GenX wasn’t interested in buying their products and services.
    GenX fought its way into the world of work, making a name for themselves by availing of the new technology that the Boomers didn’t have full control of. But, of course, as they were in their 20s and early 30s, they were constantly told that they simply couldn’t take the reins. They were too lazy, too naive. They just couldn’t work, you know. Boomers kept the GenX crowd out of positions of power that they secured for themselves. They weren’t ready. Boomers had to, you know, continue to control things. Surely by the time their children, the Millennials, came around they would certainly be ready to go, right?
    And now the Millennials are here. They come of age in a world where every single problem they look at, they can only turn around and look at their parents over. Housing infrastructure is woefully short and extremely expensive. Seems no one things that new families should happen The roads are crumbling. Seems no one thought that they should pay to repair them. The work situation is a mess. Seems that no one cared that the low-wage starter jobs that each generation needs were being out sourced to other nations. Food mandates have been screwed up since they were enshrined by the government. Seems no one cared that doing so completely messed up how one and a half generations viewed food. Education has been turned into a high priced party. Seems no one cared about holding educational institutions to standards. In fact, most of government has expanded to levels that are hilariously overbearing across most of western society. Even science, itself – a machete that human kind has spent centuries honing into an edge that could split a hair – has been utterly dulled and corroded by a single generations’ lust for power. Boomers have been the most successful generation in all of the worst qualities of both people and civilization that came before it. How far fetched is it, then, that Millennials by default believe that their parents have destroyed the very jungle itself, too?
    Now, despite all of this, the Millennials have been marching forward. They work the crap jobs that still exist, do everything like they were taught and the Boomers, in something that has become predictable, are now dumping on them for their naivete. Their laziness. As if no one left cereal bowls on the table before 2000? And there was no trash on a beach or in cities before the first Millennial was birthed? Ha. But it’s just the Boomers once again keeping the generations that would usurp them down. They aren’t doing what their parents did. They aren’t stepping aside. For so long they have told themselves, cooing to themselves in the dark before sleep, that they have made the world better. That they are the reason the world is soooo much better than what came before.
    See, Millennials – and GenX also – would make changes. But what changes can really be made in governments that have spent the last 50 years specifically insulating themselves from accountability? What changes can be made in companies where Boomers won’t step aside and relinquish control? Boomers have the jobs, the money, the control, and the numbers to keep themselves in power.
    But, on the flip side, the GenX and Millennial generational cohorts are slowly ebbing away the power base. Since 2000, the voting public has abandoned official political affiliations like the plague in the US and more and more independent parties are flourishing abroad. It won’t be this decade that the politics finally flip, but it’s at least building away from the power centers of old. In my view, though, the reality is far from optimistic and generally quite grim – none of this vile wretchedness is going away until Boomers give up the one thing that lets them live inside their delusions of grandeur: Their numbers.

    • Arsten:
      As a “Boomer” that has been retired for 15 years, I think your hypothesis may be geocentric to where you live and what you think you see. IMHO.
      You have the power. So what are you doing about the issues you think you see?
      I am an engineer. I used to tell my people to stop bringing me problems, but to bring me solutions because as consultants we were paid for solutions not problems.
      Wayne Delbeke

      • I have clearly laid out the path that will lead to changing the situation. Perhaps you can think of others instead of complaining about my objections to the power structure? I was told by an engineer that people shouldn’t bring problems, they should bring solutions.
        I have the power, hm? Perhaps you should challenge your local government with new ideas. How long do you think you will go before you can identify the different kinds of wood in government doors with your tongue. I’d place odds on six months.
        As for my perception, I am not like most of my generational cohorts, no matter which generation you apply me to: I have been many places. Not only within the US but also abroad. I have seen the pattern in most places I have lived. If you have another explanation for the circumstance, I’d be all ears.

      • Nope. As a Gen-X, I’ve been lied to pretty much all my life, by teachers, media and politicians. Took me twenty years to figure out how the world really works, and I had the benefit of a number of pre-boomer teachers who actually did try to teach us something about that world, rather than feed us Marxist propaganda.
        The Millenials have it even worse. They’ve been told from birth that they’re Special Snowflakes, and… they’re not. They’ve barely even begun to realize what a crock of crap they’ve been fed. I feel pity for them, more than anything, because they’ve been screwed even harder by the Boomers than we were.

    • See what I mean about stereotypes. 🙂
      The Boomers have heard it all before, Arsten. Everybody wants to blame their problems on someone else. It’s easier that way, isn’t it.

      • Of course Boomers have heard it all before – from their own lips. Trace all of the Boomers problems, TA. See what they were blamed on. Soviets. Communists. Progressives / Liberals / Conservatives (depending on your bent and location). Immigrants. China. The list goes on.
        So, have you heard the one about boomers telling the younger generations that they had minimum wage in 1970 and paid for college and we should be able to do it, today, except that they are lazy? Funny how they don’t talk about relative buying power or cost of education – as well as job requirements always tagging “Bachelor’s Degree!” into every job posting. And they certainly don’t go into the effects that Boomer policies had on things like minimum wage buying power, inflation, or even straight up tuition costs. Nope. It’s just the GenX and Millennials complaining for no reason, again.

    • “In my view, though, the reality is far from optimistic and generally quite grim – none of this vile wretchedness is going away until Boomers give up the one thing that lets them live inside their delusions of grandeur: Their numbers.”
      You are going to have to suffer a little while longer under the yoke of the Babyboomers, Arsten. We just love being able to control all the younger generation’s lives.

      • I’m fairly certain I made that point. I’m glad it had such effect on you that you felt the need to quote and then repeat it in different words.
        Oh wait, that was supposed to be sarcastic. Obviously, no Boomer wants to control any life. Certainly, not the way the government in the US, Canada, and EU issue regulations to cover every single aspect of life. Perhaps you should watch the film “Brexit” while paying particular attention to the part about all of the regulations that the EU makes about every aspect of a European’s life? Next, how about you consult just the myriad regulations pushed out by Bush and Obama’s administrations – both Boomers with largely Boomer contingents.
        But no, there’s no thirst for control there. Not anywhere.

      • Stereotypical thinking is a basic human trait. It is a survival mechanism. It helped early humans to tell the good guys from the bad guys. That tribe good. That tribe bad. Trade with the good. Stay away from the bad.
        Stereotypical thinking can also lead one astray, and hide reality behind a generalization.
        Stereotypical thinking is a lazy way of thinking in the modern era.
        Stereotypical thinking seems to make it easier to make sense of the world, because you just generalize, and don’t have to take many factors into consideration, but that “sense” may be wrong, if you don’t consider all possiblities.
        All of us have stereotypical thinking. If we want to know the real truth, we need to suppress this human urge as much as possible, otherwise we blind ourselves to reality.
        “All (put name of group here) do this or that”, is never the case.

      • And yet you exhibit stereotypical thinking rail against stereotypical thinking. Why do you need the world to be so hypocritically simpler to understand? Do you enjoy being blinded?
        But you are wrong. Suppressing generalizations does nothing but obscure the world. Generalizations are just that: A general abstract that generally holds true. “Forests tend to be green and brown.” would likely get nary an askew glance. Why? Because the generalization holds true, even if you can often find as many colors as you desire should you venture into a real forest.
        Stereotypes, on the other hand, are generalizations that are weaponized – most often about people. They are used to excuse behavior and action that is counter to prevailing morality. Racism, for instance, is generally founded on stereotypes because it gives an excuse to exclude those you are stereotyping from the moral order. Common throughout history, for instance, was the stereotyping of the enemy as the worst examples of the tribes’ moral order. ‘They’ killed children, pregnant women, didn’t worship the correct god, and so forth.
        The “GenX” and “Millennial” notes about apathy and malaise are stereotypes. They are specifically used to keep power from those that suffer those stereotypes. My assertions are generalizations about Boomers – they generally hold true, even if you can and will meet individuals who were not involved and/or against the power claimed by the generation. I have advocated nothing against them and don’t say anything about keeping them from the moral order. In fact, I noted that the world will have to continue to suffer them due to circumstance.

      • Arsten wrote: “My assertions are generalizations about Boomers – they generally hold true, even if you can and will meet individuals who were not involved and/or against the power claimed by the generation.”
        You are welcome to your bias, whatever you call it. If you want to wear blinders, go ahead.

      • TA Wrote: “You are welcome to your bias, whatever you call it. If you want to wear blinders, go ahead.”
        You’ve provided no counter information or even alternate assessments of the same information. The bias here is your own.

      • Arsten, One can legitimately generalize/stereotype about people who think alike, who have the same mindset, such as the political Left, or the political Right, or Alarmists, etc, but saying a whole generation is of the same mindset is a different matter.
        For example, Boomers make up all sides of the political spectrum. You can’t say that a Boomer on the political Left looks at the world the same way a Boomer on the political Right looks at the world. Generational generalizations/stereotypes are too simplistic to describe the real situation.

      • Yes, except that I am generalizing about their overall actions and effects on the media, world, and government and not about their personalities or specific beliefs. Part of those effects are knock-on effects to the world that the GenX and Millennial generations are inheriting, along with the mythos as propagated in general. I did not say “All Boomers were pot smoking hippies.” I said “The Boomer generation has done these things.” and it is true.
        It wasn’t just the side you don’t like that told the younger generations that the only way to succeed was with a degree. It wasn’t just the side you don’t like that supported risk-less education loans by financial institutions. And it wasn’t just the side you don’t like that, when something like the Occupy movement arose, wanted the movement crushed. All of this is public record – go see who voted.
        Just like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, everyone was on board until it became politically expedient to demonize one side of the illusory aisle for political gain. Republicans and Democrats refusing to cooperate in any way shape or form is an artifact of the last ~10 years as the populace has gotten increasingly annoyed and angry with their inability to be sane and is not the norm for the past 50.

    • If you want to look at when the government stopped being of and by the people, you need to go all the way back to Abraham Lincoln. Teddy Roosevelt also did yeoman’s work in making the government bigger and more powerful.
      But neither of them can hold a candle to the other Roosevelt, FDR.

      • The seeds were certainly planted long before the Boomers, but they cultivated those seeds and saplings as a master gardener. The redwood grove that stands now is a result of their tender care.

  42. THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!!!!
    If all recycling were to end — half the green jobs in America would be lost!
    Eugene WR Gallun

  43. I was attending a computer conference a number of years ago in Kalifornia and had breakfast with a young couple on their first visit to the US. I asked them what differences they observed. The young man said that in his home country they would never have coffee creamer in little disposable plastic containers, but would serve it in a small ceramic pitcher. He ended by making note of how wasteful the plastic was of natural resources.
    I countered by saying that if you took all the plastic creamer containers that it would require to fill up the little ceramic pitcher and burned them, the amount of heat the fire was generate would not be nearly enough to heat the hot water required to properly wash the ceramic pitcher each day.
    You could see that answer was so totally out of his range of thinking that he stripped a mental gear right in front of me. But, he replied it would still be nicer to have the pitcher. I agreed but said that the free market allows the restaurant to make that choice. I don’t want a government agency compelling me to use one solution or the other. He agreed.

  44. I grew up eating out of tiny boxes of cereal that opened in the center to make a bowl. You could pour your milk in and throw it away when done. A generation saved!

  45. “I mean, wow, I’m impressed. Millennials can’t be bothered eating cereal, because it is too much bother to sling the used bowl into the dishwasher – the cereal doesn’t come in a disposable container.”
    Dishwasher!? Well, when we were kids, we had to wash the bloody bowl, dry it, and put it back in the cupboard … like somebody once said, ” … we didn’t have this “green thing” in our day!”

  46. Perhaps I can help.
    The Boomers are so habituated to their own philosophies and hobby horses that they cannot necessarily recognize them, ubiquitous and undesirable as these philosophies are. Boomers need a little help. Take the last sentence in the article, for example.
    It says,

    Almost 40 percent of the millennials surveyed by Mintel for its 2015 report said cereal was an inconvenient breakfast choice because they had to clean up after eating it.

    Now what kind of question is that? Who is asking younger people in polls if it is too inconvenient to put away their own cereal dish? What kind of vain and silly question is this?
    I think that the Millennials ought to be complimented for giving silly answers to silly questions. They might be also commended for telling vain Boomer marketers just what they want to hear, and allowing them to draw the conclusions they want to draw. The conclusion the marketers wish to reach is that it is necessary to package portions individually in order to get control of the food supply.
    If a Boomer marketer asks you if you are too lazy to do your dishes, what will you answer? How could anyone resist answering a fool according to his folly?

    • Zeke June 13, 2016 at 8:24 am:
      “Perhaps I can help.”
      Or perhaps not.
      Zeke: “The Boomers are so habituated to their own philosophies and hobby horses that they cannot necessarily recognize them, ubiquitous and undesirable as these philosophies are. Boomers need a little help.”
      Don’t just say something like that without some details, give the poor ole Boomers some help. What undesireable philosophies and hobby horses are Boomers habituated to?

  47. Let’s continue to examine which generation this article is really about. Does this article really have anything to do with Millenials? I am going to present the case that this study has nothing to do with Millenials at all.
    First let’s look at the intention of the study.”The dream of all these companies is to capture the all-powerful and elusive millennial eater…”
    Here it is plain that the analysts and experts are selling a marketing approach to the cereal companies. Their results are measurements called polling data. Very sciency–it has numbers! In this case, it appears that the advantageous thing to do is go organic and package food only in individual portions.
    I am going to suggest that this is organic activism done by the Cannabis Generation, packaged as polling data and as a market demand from Millenials.
    Remember, organic food only produces about 1% of the food grown and produced in the US, because it is so unreliable and expensive. It is also a destructive and disruptive niche market, because it reintroduces many microorganisms that conventional growers have almost completely eradicated. For example, organic growers have problems with Stinking Smut in their wheat. Organic growers are extremely aggressive and hawk their wares as good for the planet, but their foods are no better than renewables and their effects on the food supply are in the end deletarious, just like renewables.
    This is not about Millenials.

  48. I find it amazing that of 130+ comments, only one picked up on cleanup being inconvenient.
    The response was that millenials are strapped for time – so they do what, instead? Hit Starbucks for a latte and a croissant?

    • Eric,
      Well, lately I find eating cereal for breakfast a bit inconvenient too, not because I will have to rinse/wash the bowl and spoon, but because I feel compelled to go out to the garden and get some fresh strawberries to put on the cereal . . and slice them up a bit . . which means rinsing the knife too . . and the little plastic cutting board thingy I cut them on . . don’t want to mess with the whole wooden cutting board just to deal with a bit of juice . . and, deal with the tops of course . .
      But it’s going out and getting the berries mostly, which means bending down (a lot), and pushing the leaves around so I don’t miss any ripe ones . . so the bugs won’t become a problem because they are feasting on the unpicked ripe ones and multiplying right there in the strawberry bed. And if previous years are any measure, I’ll feel compelled to do this till, like, late October.
      But, my main reason fro commenting is to ask you not to use the phrase “climate skeptic” as though you really were skeptical of climate . . It’s silly I feel, and just a few more keystrokes, inconvenient as they might seem, could make clear what you ARE skeptical of. Which, I suspect is what the mass media/climate alarmists don’t want you to do, since “civilian” readers might realize they are (for the most part, given rather low polling of the supposed “climate crisis”) themselves climate ALARM skeptics.
      ; )

  49. Millenials are the product of the waste of the generation before us, the financial crash, unfordable mortgages, intense competition in the jobs market, a need to upskill every year. Millenials have it the toughest.

    • That Mossy Guy “Millenials have it the toughest.”
      They will soon enough when their parents are dead and the money’s gone, including the pretend money called the national debt.

        • That Mossy Guy wrote “That debt isn’t going to disappear.”
          It might, but I was not speaking of debt, I was speaking of money that debt brings into existence. When I buy something on credit for $100, I just created $100; it came into existence, a type of security.
          Thus, 16 trillion dollars came into existence as that debt was accumulated. But eventually this funny money will be worthless just as it was in Germany after World War One.
          The debt could be paid if there was $16 trillion in circulation to pay it, but that leaves the problem of interest. You could use every dollar ever created to exactly pay the principal of the debt and now you have no money to pay the interest.
          The only choice is to devalue the dollars used to pay the debt AND its interest.
          Or simply cancel the debt and suffer some consequences.

          • That Mossy Guy “You know I’m a professional in finance right?”
            I do not understand comments ending with “right?”
            If you are asking me whether I know this, the answer is no and it certainly isn’t obvious from your most recent comment.
            Your assertion was “Millenials are the product of the waste of the generation before us, the financial crash, unfordable mortgages, intense competition in the jobs market, a need to upskill every year” — as if every generation since ancient Sumeria has not faced the same problems. Is there anything that makes “Millenials” special? Yes, the internet and smartphones. Never before has there been a mechanism to turn humans into herring so that ten million Millenials can all turn at the same time in the same direction. It is an emergent phenomenon having nothing to do with the same problems every generation has faced since forever.
            Asserting that you are a professional simply means you are being paid presumably for something related to finance. It is not proof of correctness. The debt, which I wasn’t discussing, disappears when either or both parties decide it has disappeared. What exactly is debt? It is an obligation. Can obligations be abrogated? Sure, you betcha and it can go the other way: Iceland has the unique property of increasing personal debt automatically; the loan principal is indexed to inflation! But it works only because the debtor accepts the obligation. Debt doesn’t exist in time and space; it is a product of a human mind.

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