Letters, I get letters, and even though the WUWT contact page says clearly:
Contacts made under this form (especially hate mail and threats) are considered to be fair game for publishing, just like the “submit story” form.
Some people just can’t help themselves. For example, today the story Seven Earth Day predictions that failed spectacularly by Andrew Follett of the Daily Caller got quite a bit of attention, and one David Corgan thinks I’m a “villain” for calling attention to failed Earth Day predictions of the past. The farce is strong with this one:
Name: David Corgan
Email:[redacted]@hotmail.com
Website: http://Astropunks.com
Subject: [Watts Up With That? – Earth Day Post] Contact
Message: Are you insane? It is only through MASSIVE efforts and huge expenditures by numerous governments that the Earth Day predictions have been averted. If not for the warnings, sentiments, and efforts of the scientists you denounce, we very well could all bestarving to death right now.
There are no scientists, or anyone that pays attention to actual data, that doesn’t believe we are rapidly heading for a global collapse. As a astrophysicist, I know how fragile and special our planet is, and shame shame shame on you for trying to promote such a horrible and destructive agenda.
The scientists, volunteers, authors, and more that you feebly attempt to debunk are champions of our planet and the human race. You are a villain.
Hmmm. Paul Ehrlich prevented us from starving to death? Somehow, Mr. Corgan just doesn’t strike me as a real astrophysicist…yet. Seems I’m right.
As for global collapse? We’ve heard it all before, that’s what the article points out. Here’s a few more Earth Day predictions that failed.
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Liberal greenies lie because…well, it’s all they got !!
Marcus
read his Bio, He was/is continuing Ed. That means he has been trying to pay his own way.
Misguided unworldly, yes. Suffers from some misplaced “hero-worship” But many of us do at times.
My own thoughts are that if Anthony Watts wished to offer him a open hand and invite him to come and sit in on the conversations (playing by the rules!) I think we could open his mind or at least get him to see that people on the other side of the discussion are not villains. But then Anthony may not, he has suffered to many fools.
michael
Naw, he’s too much a neophyte, (bachelor’s degree in 2015) fresh from indoctrination into the AGW religion by liberal professors and with no real experience in science. To claim himself an astrophysicist is technically true, but practically an exaggeration. https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-corgan-98a24639 Typically, fresh degreed undergraduate who has just enough education to believe he knows it all, but hasn’t the slightest idea how little he really knows. Reminds me of a snot-nosed second lieutenant fresh from West Point telling a 30-year seasoned chief master sergeant he’s doing his job wrong.
Don Perry April 22, 2016 at 6:29 pm
Reminds me of a snot-nosed second lieutenant fresh from West Point telling a 30-year seasoned chief master sergeant he’s doing his job wrong.
Don, did he ever learn?
michael.
Don you cannot squeeze twenty years experience into a twenty year old.It takes time for the twenty year old or in this case 30? year old to learn that.
If his education is GIGO who is to blame? Students are led to believe they are getting truthful and accurate information. The sin is not on them but on those who knowingly deceived them. Don’t blame the student for the education departments inadequacies failures and dishonest.
michael
I’ll never know if he ever learned. Having seen it time and again, it was the main reason I didn’t stay in the military. Put my four years in and thought I was getting away from elitist attitudes using positions of authority to trump years of real-life experience. What a waste. Only problem was that circumstance is everywhere, not just the military. Now, in my old age, I realize this is just the nature of things — different situation, same circumstances. Ivory tower elitists using authority of educational certification to overrule common sense observation.
My hero is Neil Armstrong and yes, I am in denial about the moon landing hoax.
I need some time in the re-education booth perhaps?
Agreed Mike, we should certainly offer a hand of understanding. I used to be a full-on warmist myself until the mist cleared.
A bit embarrassed about it now in truth when I think how closed off I appeared. Ah well.
Jones
That’s like the husband who thinks he can change his wife’s habits
You may be right, Mike, but I’m not yet willing to write Corgan off as “misguided” or “unworldly”. First off, Corgan is hardly some callow youth. According to the link in the post, Corgan worked in PR and sales, beginning in ’99. So I think we’re most likely talkin’ about some guy who has spent a coupla decades or so of his adult life professionally pumpin’-out puffery, hype, soft-soap, cajolery, blandishments, sweet-talk, jive, razzle-dazzle, and, since Corgan seems to be an Irish name, blarney-boogers. Further, the indefatigable, hyper-energetic Mr. Corgan appears to be a obsessive-compulsive “joiner” and resume “plumper-upper”. Finally, I think no one would be too surprised if we were to further discover that the estimable Mr. Corgan is also a world-class schmoozer, and a major local-talent in the rump-kisser department. Hardly the track-record of your standard issue, “misguided”, “unworldy”, brainwashed, hive-abused dumb-kid, I would suggest.
So, Mike, I think a more likely profile of Mr. Corgan, though one entirely made-up by moi, would have the gent suddenly askin’ himself, incident to some sort of mid-life crisis, perhaps, if he were not wastin’ his supreme gift of gab and master-zinger knack for quality bull-shit on bulk sales of scrabble games to assisted-living facilities–that self-questioning, in turn, plunging my totally invented Mr. Corgan into a “dark night of the soul” search for Socratic self-knowledge and the meaning of life, his quest taking the particular form of some astute job market research into those flim-flammer positions that pay best for the least effort. And in the course of his investigations, I would then have that version of Mr. Corgan, that is entirely a figment of my imagination, discover the Gaia-hustle–stress-free, goof-off-normative, “safe-space” working conditions; troughs; easy-streets; gravy-trains; sinecures that would embarass a medieval seigneur; and an unlimited carbon-piggie pass for those brazen-hypocrite good-comrades in on the “greenwashed” deal. So what’s not to like about a “gig”, like that? Voila!–the rest is history.
Oops! In my comment, immediately above, please read “couple decades or so” as “a decade or so” and “mid-life crisis” as “premature mid-life crisis”. Also it’s “an obsessive-compulsive”, not “a obsessive-compulsive”. Other solecisms?–deal with it! Please.
We have a fridge magnet that says
“Teenagers – Please leave home now whilst you still know everything…..”
Whilst they may not be technically still teenagers – many of the most vocal warmistas are certainly of that emotional age.
Nice catch Anthony !
Maybe Anthony can give benben this guy’s email address so benben can set him straight about Anthony and us just being like “crazy” old uncles and how we should be ignored, instead of demonized? 😛
Two weeks without chocolate is making me REALLY ….er….itchy.
Chocolate is a major food group. You should not deprive yourself. It seems you may starting to suffer from chocolate deficiency. I recommend you a Hershey’s bar immediately before you symptoms become worse. 🙂
“Two weeks without chocolate…”
Theobroma Cacao? Without?
Theobroma cacao in Latin, Theobroma meaning “food of the gods.” And you are going without?
Punishment?
Torture?
Masochism?
Delusional?
Home brutality?
You have our permission to immediately demand restitution and fulfill your necessary infusion of chocolate!
Chocolate, especially dark chocolate, supplies an incredible broth of antioxidants, beneficial fats and flavonoids.
I suggest that you visit this wonderful theme park in Hershey Pennsylvania to aid your health and allow you to be a youth!
I am not sure about the results of those studies, but I accept the precautionary principle so…
WHY TAKE THE RISK?
😉
Why take the risk? Because the money spent against AGW is money not spent against meteor strikes! Or against a new Ice Age, or an onslaught of demons from hell, or monster earthquakes that could literally shatter civilisation. Or a microbe mutation that would eat our children?
Don’t you like children David?
Why take the risk of not protecting against any of those possibilities?
Surely he just forgot the /sarc
I predict the collapse of alarmism as we know it. I am sure it will be worse than we thought.
I don’t know why, but when I saw this comment I had a vision of a spoiled child pulling wings off flies.
David,never read any of Ehrlich’s absurd doomsday predictions.
aww come on…theyre a good laugh:-)
I wasn’t aware that those scientists had anything to do with years of record crop yields worldwide. Maybe david corgy knows?
He read it in the Moon and the stars !!!
Yea none of those guys he named is Norman Borlaug so I doubt they had anything to do with “saving hundreds of millions”.
“and shame shame shame on you for trying to promote such a horrible and destructive agenda.”
Real Science, Real Inquiry, Real Critiques, Transparency in the Peer Review process, and disclosure of collusion a la Mann’s Nature Trick….That is what you have to be ashamed of Anthony?
OK
But Paul, we were informed yesterday that “environmentalists generally KNOW who climate skeptics are: oil company shills, religious fundamentalists, and neoliberal cheerleaders”.
Of course no one generally KNOWS who they subjectively categorize under the label of “climate skeptics”, and of course the hate mailer didn’t elaborate on the “horrible and destructive agenda” that Anthony must be secretly “promoting”, but hey…..they KNOW…ya know? (well, if they think you are a “climate skeptic” then you probably don’t know). The next time I meet one, I’m going to openly and directly ask him/her “Who and what am I?” and see what happens. I mean….they should generally know….
LOL /sarc
The tireless efforts of alarmists and hippies has kept us from all the predictions of mass starvation, unbreathable air, and polluted rivers. Bahaha. I think people bringing their own bags to the grocery store and the incredible efforts of our gov’t to regulate the number of gallons per toilet flush and the type of light bulbs we can use has led to greater agricultural yields. Oh gosh I guess I’ll throw in /sarc.
If AGW were really a “Thing,” HERE’S what the world would look like now:
Civil air travel would be heavily rationed, relegated to “essential purposes only.”
Gasoline rationing would be much tighter than that enjoyed in WWII. Most driving discouraged.
Corporations and individuals would receive massive tax incentives for “telecommuting.”
Gigantic tariffs would discourage all overseas manufacturing and international shipping.
It would be THE LAW that all thermostats be set at no more than 60 degrees F.
All commercial buildings would be ordered to go dark at sunset by law. No outdoor lighting.
Food would be strictly rationed according to nutrient groups and calories allotted per person.
Home hydroponic kits and home gardening and chicken raising would be essential to eat well.
Personal consumption of all goods across the board would be minimized as an act of PATRIOTISM.
Priority One would be the construction of next-generation nuclear power plants;
Nearly everyone would work from home . . . and live in the dark except for tiny personal LED’s.
Electricity, heating oil and gas, even wood and wood pellets would be strictly rationed and equitably distributed . . .
And–wait for it–the U.S. Government would have to downsize by 3/4!
That’s if this was a REAL and SERIOUS crisis, and the science meant we COULD “fix it.”
See any of that happening? Riiiiight. And that’s where the B.S. meter went clang-clang-clang for me!
One country has been spectacularly effective in reducing its CO2 emissions – See how effective government efforts have been in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (aka North Korea).
David L. Hagen:
Reduced what from what? Near zero emissions to near zero emissions; all reported by the ever so honest friendly green dictatorship of North Korea?
By the way, the DOE’s graph for North Korea is different.
“CO2 Emissions from North Korea (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea)”
Mistaking carbon solids for gas CO2 emissions doesn’t make any case for North Korea CO2 emission reductions.
Goldrider:
And if all that were to happen the economy would come to a screeching halt with unemployment running over 75% and government income dropping just as much.
Anarchy would prevail and those who imposed this on us would have their rotting bodies hanging from lampposts.
What Travis said.
Dr. S., while i don’t care much for those (screwy lookin’) lightbulbs, i actually love my grocery bag… gotta make as much lemonade out of the agw lemon as we can
Well, I predicted a massive, catastrophic rampaging of wild elephants throughout the earth, wreaking havoc everywhere, and killing millions. Good thing numerous governments stepped in, spending $billions to prevent it.
Whew! Dodged that bullet.
I think that is yet to happen. It will be the cause of all the coming earthquakes.
You, Bruce Cobb, are a champion of our planet and the human race!!!
In climate “science”, there’s a lot of rooms with elephants in them. We need to make sure they don’t all get out at the same time.
And those of us who looked at the data and realized that elephant stampeding risk was low and likely just a local (relegated to parts of Africa) environmental issue are, well, villains.
I have to admit to being lazy and pessimistic with respect to the elephant crisis. I thought it was all hype and that the proposed solutions would do nothing but line the pockets of Bruce and his ilk.
I now must apologize for my selfish (in)actions; I’m truly and sincerely sorry. And I would like to thank those who worked tirelessly, sacrificing for the rest of us while we doubted them … Thank you Bruce Cobb (how can we ever repay you for your efforts?).
My guess is that a real astrophysicist would know that he or she is an astrophysicist rather than a astrophysicist.
Or at least know his ass from his elbow.
That’s what happens when you study Uranus.
Grammar might not be an essential prerequisite for astrophysics, but even a non-native speaker of English ought IMO have grasped the simple distinction between “a” and “an”, at least in written if not spoken communication. It’s even more elementary than “y” becoming “e” before a Spanish word beginning with “y” or “i”. Such poor grammar and spelling is a dead giveaway as to level of education, indeed intelligence in this case.
Serves me right to have left out the “to” after “IMO” and before “have”. Not a split infinitive but a lame infinitive.
I don’t get that?
finally got it – must be getting old 😉
Two minutes. You’re not that old yet.
My first thought on reading that.
That was exactly where he lost my interest too.
Mr Corgan seems to have attached himself to a list of talking points, and shows no consideration of the facts. The predictions in question were in fact made by supposedly responsible scientists. However, all forecasts are subject to trial by fact, i.e., did the predictions work out? The facts are that none of the predictions have been validated by time and real world data. Changes in technology and advances in agriculture guaranteed failure of Ehrlich’s misbegotten dreams.
Mr Corgan said that, “There are no scientists, or anyone that pays attention to actual data, that doesn’t believe we are rapidly heading for a global collapse”. No, Mr Corgan. There are no fact based studies that show that the world is heading for a global collapse. Name the studies that do, and it will become clear that those studies are predictions made by models that don’t validate with real world data. Pretty much all the surveys that have tried to show 97% consensus among scientists are either misleading, or downright fraudulent.
Yes, unfortunately Mr. Cogan’s comment is nothing more then fact free emotion based assertion. A conversation with such a mind set is likely impossible, as reason has forsaken him, but he can still shout.
Mr Cogan did assert that the hard work of many has staved off the certain disasters that awaited an errant mankind in 1970. I believe this assertion to be false. My supporting evidence is (a) the farcical nature of the predictions, (b) the baselessness of the arguments presented for these catastrophes, and (c) the several centuries of evidence that catastrophic prophecies about the future of mankind have failed in every single respect. The past is a very poor guide to the future when it comes to the development of civilisation.
It seems very likely that Mr Cogan believes the increase in temperatures from 1976-1996 was caused by human-emitted CO2, agreed? Can we get 97% agreement on this assumption? Confirmation bias requires that he believes it for it is the only time period in the past 80 years that conforms to the AGW hypothesis.
The lack of meaningful temperature change since 1996 as CO2 emissions continued to be emitted at an ever-increasing rate should create as much pause in his thinking as it has for the temperatures. The Big Question is, why doesn’t it increase with the CO2? How can someone who studied so hard and devoted so much effort to learn difficult and abstruse mathematics not take a few minutes to perform the simple calculus necessary to confirm that:
+ΔCO2 ≠ +Δ°C with any correlation coefficient greater than 0.6.
I can get a better correlation than that reading tea leaves to predict match-making success.
Mr Cogan calls our attention to ‘the data’. I too call his attention to ‘the data’. Avoid the hype, the misdirection, the coincidental harmonies, and especially the deliberate fabrication of ‘evidence’ by the green troughers. Correctly calculate the warming from CO2 when the lapse rate is permitted to vary; correctly incorporate the fact that the tropics do not warm with additional CO2; observe that cloud cover increases earlier in the day if tropical sea temperatures rise; maintain a vigil over the total sea ice cover, the total sea ice mass, the land ice cover and mass, then rejoice that the Earth is not sinking into an early ice age as many feared on that first Earth Day.
Jim Hansen’s paper warning of impending doom for a frozen, starving humanity was only two years old at that time. That doom didn’t last a decade. New dooms manifested like boils on the face of Science. Each needs to be lanced and drained, leaving scars on our collective intellect. What manifest loss.
Peak oil
Peak food
Peak people
Peak water
Peak stupidity
Peak pessimism
Bloomberg TV mentioned last night that a $15 trillion economy of CO2 control is about to emerge. That is a ten-fold increase over the current carbon-lunacy. Mr Cogan, that is an ‘astrophysical’ amount of money to spend without first validating the models, don’t ya think? And who do you think would be gung-ho in favour of requiring such vast expenditure without first checking to see if the science behind it is solid? Beneficiaries? The whole renewable energy sector is polluted by the prospect of plunder. That’s why its proponents are giving out free lunches.
@Crispin in Waterloo but really in Beijing:
Hear! Hear!
The flowers smell sweet in a warm climate.
This is priceless. When nothing happens they say, ‘See? We averted it!’ Keep sending us money and we’ll avert the next one too.
A pardoner’s tax.
The mob works the same way… They call it ‘Protection’.
So does Islam, it is called “jizya” (from Koran 9:29). I suspect the Mob may have got the idea of “protection” money from the Islamic occupation of Sicily.
He’d fall for the tiger-repellant con.
What is really shocking is that he believes what he says and further acted on his beliefs. Kind of like Obama and his intended signing of the Paris accord. Ooops I know Obama doesn’t believe but not to worry acts anyway.
Makes one wonder what level of competence doctoral candidates are at nowadays. Apparently, anything, including pure fiction, is acceptable.
He aims to do a PhD. His profile shows he is just starting out. He has lofty ambitions and a great sense of his own worth.
Incidentally, I have a PhD in Astrophysics and not once was the Scientific Method formally taught to me. It was implicit and assumed – but I can see how many people can gain formal qualifications and yet be ignorant about the philosophy underlying Science – such as the fact that contradictory data must always be sought and examined, and theories amended or discarded as a result.
Somehow I think this buffoon would love to have the letters after his name, while actually acting extremely contrary to the Scientific Method (just as our friend David Appell does).
There was a case a couple years ago of a guy who dressed up as Bigfoot, and lay down on an old country road, pretending to be a Sasquatch run over on the highway… and got run over while he was lying there.
People that fake evidence KNOW they’re faking it, and yet act as if it’s all real. It’s as if they believe that conning someone into believing what they believe is some kind of validation, even though they are perfectly aware of reality.
It will make an interesting sociological/mass psychiatry study someday.
OMG, he’s a double of Cook!? Or maybe seperated at birth?
Clone. 🙂
Even more frightening…
Viewing his student association page involvements, I suspect that he just hasn’t had the time to properly investigate the Globull Warming facts. Maybe he is the one needing some tutoring on the subject by dissidents. That is assuming that Minnesota State allows opposition viewpoints in their safe spaces.
What do you expect from an “astropunk” member.
I found this description:
“Astro punk combines the visions of a high tech future,with the nostalgia
of the past. In other words Astro punk encapulates a kind of “retro
futura” i.e. the future and the past combine in an esthetic whole…
Perhaps the best or edgiest astro punk combines these element into an almost discortant amalgamation.
So then, Star Trek is astro punk… but, the Klingon Empire
is good/great astro punk. ”
Mr Corgan is a follower of the science fiction of global warming.
I’m more of a steam punk myself . . . 😉
Quite right!
Space ships,with pull-chain toilets…
Steve Fraser on April 22, 2016 at 4:01 pm
Space ships,with pull-chain toilets and an actual clay brick in the toilet tank to save water.
Tony:
I tried to look at the ‘Astropunks.com’ website. Didn’t exist.
Next I tried a generic whois Astropunks.com, nothing.
Visited ICANN and ran whois from their site:
“Registrant Contact
Name: Domain Administrator
Organization: See PrivacyGuardian.org
Mailing Address: 1928 E. Highland Ave. Ste F104 PMB# 255, Phoenix AZ 85016 US
Phone: +1.3478717726
Ext:
Fax:
Fax Ext:
Email: pw-3e6ff04191ce0a1d19a279972342ec5e@privacyguardian.org”
“Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namesilo.com
URL: https://www.namesilo.com/
Registrar: NameSilo, LLC IANA ID: 1479
Abuse Contact Email: abuse@namesilo.com
Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6024928198 ”
Looks like a parked domain.
Perhaps Mr. Corgan believes himself to be a member of group solely by association.
Looking over Mr. Corgan’s bio sheet, there are a lot of very loose claims. They may have been true at one point in time, but they are not currently true; e.g. President Student Government.
When a person’s brief accomplishments and work are just simple claim with dates and place; I suspect that the person isn’t being fully honest. Especially when many of the ‘experience’ claims are vague acronyms, unknown outside of a small group.
There is a huge difference between some courses and social activities at a two year Community College and a full physics PHD at an accredited university.
Just saying.
“simple claim with dates and place”
Should be
“simple claims without dates and place”
All contributing to Corgan’s ‘vast’ experience. Somehow somewhere, maybe.
..and when you go out in public…..you are exposed to them
It’s like the old dumb joke about selling elephant repellent in the US–see how well it works!
“a astrophysicist”….yep. He needs training in articles.
Indefinitely!
+++++ a bunch!
More progressive/leftists lies. Their meme is: “The ends justify the means.”
Or, “The ends justify the memes.”
I wish him luck on his GRE, but I do have my doubts.
He needs to read about Norman Borlaug and the true Green Revolution.
Can Mr. Crogan imagine the Earth had we developed nuclear energy in any thing like scientists envisioned after the 1950’s. How fabulously clean water and air could be with a generous supply of energy to apply to technology? How many more jobs for materials engineers and scientists instead of social workers and corrections officers? Ehrlich and Commoner only tried to put concrete overshoes on mankind’s progress and advance to the space age. How is it that “progressives” hate the very idea of Progress?
well said, fossilsage.
…they lie to themselves. They can’t even tell themselves the truth.