Does Demonizing the Other Side Promote Constructive Debate Over Climate Change?

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Guest essay by Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten

Who are “climate skeptics”?

Greg Garrard, Associate Professor of Sustainability at the University of British Columbia, Okanagan, thinks he knows. In fact, he believes “environmentalists” generally “know who climate skeptics are: oil company shills, religious fundamentalists and neoliberal cheerleaders.”

With that courteous and respectful opening, Garrard issued a call for papers for the symposium “Who Do They Think They Are? Cultures of Climate Skepticism, Anti-Environmentalism, and Conservative Environmentalism,” scheduled for June 6–8, 2016, at Garrard’s campus in Kelowna, B.C. One knows not whether to laugh or cry at Garrard saying “this symposium seeks to understand ‘the enemy’, challenging reductive stereotypes and homogenizing assumptions in the interests of constructive democratic debate” (emphasis added).

Clearly the conference’s sole purpose is to denigrate those with views contrary to environmentalists’, particularly the so-called global warming consensus. The likelihood that it will lead to “constructive democratic debate” is approximately zero.

As my friend and colleague Jeffrey Foss, former head of the Department of Philosophy at the University of Victoria, warns:

It’s like reading Malleus Maleficarum, aka The Witches Hammer, a 15th century tract on the detection and destruction of witches and warlocks—and it almost makes my stomach turn to think that I and my friends are among the witches and warlocks of today’s green druids. … Thank goodness we have, at least formally, freedom of thought and expression. That freedom, however, is under attack and is bending under the pressure of this attack….

David K. Johnston, another philosophy professor at the University of Victoria, suggested that the organizer might be amenable to receiving climate skeptics’ papers or “artefacts”, Foss countered:

The first paragraph is a scurrilous manifesto tarring “climate scepticism”. The next paragraph presents some sketches of “climate scepticism”—sketches that seem quite believable to me. But apparently not to their author, who in the third paragraph returns to treating ‘climate skepticism’ as a social phenomenon that needs to be analysed and addressed—rather than a set of beliefs that are supported by reason and evidence.

So climate skepticism is not addressed at all. To do so requires studying the actual climate and asking whether it is accurately described in global warming theories. There is no invitation … to do any such thing. The concepts of truth and falsehood do not arise … presumably because these concepts themselves are seen as tools of suppression used by the “elites” who wield power over us all. Instead, it is the socio-psychological syndrome of “anti-environmental discourses” that are to be analysed.

Foss’s comments are dead on. This type of thing does indeed harken back to witch hunts. Certainly, it is anti-science and deeply rooted in ideology.

One of the ironies of Garrard’s conference is that he himself is a critic of apocalyptic views in his book Ecocriticism (2004), writing: “Just like Christian millennialism, environmental apocalypticism has had to face the embarrassment of failed prophecy even as it has been unable to relinquish the trope altogether” (p. 100). For some reason, Garrard has now embraced this failed trope in the belief that climate apocalypticism, unlike all previous environmental apocalyptisms, is the real deal.

It is by no means clear how we can counter such ideological and anti-scientific views.

Consider two issues today: GMOs and climate change. The science (at least that considered “overwhelming”) says GMOs are safe and climate change is primarily human caused. Environmentalists overwhelmingly accept the climate change “science”, no questions asked, but reject the GMO “science”. Why? The GMO “science” says human intervention in nature can be positive, while the climate change “science” says it is negative. So the position taken by environmentalists is consistent: it has nothing to do with science, but everything to do with their anti-human agendas.

The author was in Edmonton recently for his mother’s 90th birthday—a remarkably long time to live not just in the long history of humanity but even today. But she was scooped by someone in her seniors’ home who turned 100 the next day!

Not too long ago we could count on one hand the number of people who reached 100—and they got a lovely letter from the Canadian Prime Minister. People over 90 were rare, and 60 was considered old.

What happened?

The environment improved as a result of human intervention. Since the Second World War:

  • water and air quality have improved tremendously (at least in the West),
  • improvements in nutrition, housing, and health care have raised life expectancy and reduced infant and child mortality (sparking a short-term “population explosion” that is levelling off worldwide and already reversed in many developed countries),
  • cheap fossil fuels have made it possible to keep warm/cool on the coldest/hottest days, and
  • this same cheap energy enabled us in the West, even the poorest (except the homeless who often suffer from mental illness and whose plight environmentalists mostly ignore), to live richer than kings of old.

All these good things are now under threat because of a theory backed by flimsy evidence but promoted as Armageddon.

The problem is that the climate change agenda has little to do with climate change, let alone science. After all, most people’s position regarding the science of global warming comes from newspaper reports that sensationalize the evidence of a future catastrophe, however skimpy, while downplaying or even ignoring any “good news” (e.g., higher crop yields from enhanced CO2) or evidence to the contrary.

For example, while the media continue to harp on the threat fossil fuel consumption poses to polar bears, the science is not supportive. In a recent review article, scientists concluded that “some species thought to be dependent on summer sea ice (e.g., polar bears) survived through [ice-free] periods. In contrast, during glacial periods the much smaller Arctic Ocean and much of the adjacent continents were covered with massive ice sheets, thick ice shelves, and sea ice, making large regions virtually uninhabitable to most species that inhabit today’s Arctic.”

Likewise, peer-reviewed papers skeptical of the “climate consensus” orthodoxy are flooding into scientific journals. Since the beginning of 2015, more than 300 published, peer-reviewed articles have refuted the “consensus” that humans are primarily responsible for global warming, attributing climate change more to natural factors. But the media largely ignore these.

Instead, the environmental movement relies on the scare of climate catastrophe as a tactic to oppose capitalism and justify government intervention to restrict what citizens can do (for the good of all, but of course the good as they see it!), eventually leading to global institutions that would control what citizens can do. As Foss points out:

In the 2009 COP convention in Copenhagen, the draft agreement was an agreement to “fine” the developed countries to provide cash for the organization of a world socialist government. Our silly news outlets reported simply what they were told to report in releases to the press by the UN managers….

As in the recent charade in Paris, those in developed countries heard only that there was agreement to reduce CO2 emissions (somewhere, somehow) and nothing at all about the global administrative body (or government) that would be set up to command virtually every aspect of our economies (and hence our lives). The document itself—the draft agreement—was available to me at the time from a source who claimed it was publicly available. If so, apparently not one reporter of a major news outlet (so far as I’m aware) both read it and realized it was newsworthy.

Of course, whether climate change is partly anthropogenic or primarily of natural origins, and whether mitigation is preferred to adaptation as a policy response, much scare mongering by the media about human-induced climate change has driven the political agenda—something Greeenpeace co-founder and former president Patrick Moore discusses astutely in Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist. Such tactics play into the hands of those organizing the UBC Okanagan conference I mentioned at the start of this article—those who see climate skeptics as neoliberals, Christian fundamentalists, creationists, holocaust deniers, anti-science, communists, and who knows what else.

Of course, there is nothing wrong per se with a global administrative body, perhaps under the purview of the United Nations, which would act to correct the worst externalities and improve the well being of global citizens, especially the globe’s most wretched. But would such a body really bring about a utopia where there is no war and no poverty? Or only one, like the totalitarian states with which we’re all familiar, a world with no freedom?

History suggests that utopia always comes with corruption of the worst kind, totalitarianism designed to achieve goals set out by naïve lobbyists but resulting instead in death squads, gulags, and neighbor-spying-on-neighbor to keep the elite in power.

The poor will not benefit. Instead, those who are reasonably well off today will be reduced to the same state as today’s poor—all except the rich and powerful elite running this dictatorship. Living standards will decline, as will life expectancy, and everyone will live under fear and tyranny.

This is the eventual outcome of global governance. And much like the Israelites of old, they will cry to God for help because there is no one else.


G. Cornelis van Kooten, Ph.D., is Professor of Economics and Research Chair in Environmental Studies and Climate, University of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. He is the author of Climate Change, Climate Science and Economics: Prospects for an Alternative Energy Future and many papers in peer-reviewed journals on conventional and alternative energies.

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Dodgy Geezer
April 21, 2016 2:10 pm

…Does Demonizing the Other Side Promote Constructive Debate Over Climate Change?…
If I really wanted to know the truth about something, I would listen to people with an open mind, and encourage them to tell me what they knew.
If, on the other hand, I had a nice little earner going, but the people who were paying me were starting to get suspicious that all the things I had said would happen didn’t seem to be doing so, I would be VERY anxious to stop anyone raising any doubts, and would try to get the disbelievers shut down and unable to talk anywhere. Failing that, I would try to demonize them so that no one would listen to them anyway…

george e. smith
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
April 21, 2016 3:05 pm

If the good sustainment Professor is branding me as an “oil company shill”, and I have actually never ever received any such sustainability funding from ANY oil company, am I allowed to report those lost sustainability funds as an uncollectible bad debt loss on my income tax return ??
How does Professor Garrard make ends meet if he doesn’t get sustainability funding from any oil company ??
G

NW sage
Reply to  george e. smith
April 21, 2016 5:16 pm

You have to understand, hypocrisy is NOT a negative attribute to zealots!

mike
Reply to  george e. smith
April 22, 2016 3:28 am

Hmmm…So some jumped-up, hayseed Professor-type wants to hold a symposium where he and his fellow, bush-league, Philosopher King wannabes can meet in the sticks to ponder deeply the head-shop-guru, zen-booger koan: “Who do they think they are?” The “they” in that question being those (a. k. a. “the enemy”) who might have some reservations about the good Professor’s chekist-friendly, fatwa-normative, group-think carbon-phobia. Haven’t we seen this movie before?
And I note that our hive-hero, symposium organizer doesn’t even plan to hold his up-coming, Gaia gab-fest as a zero-carbon, video-conferenced event, but rather it’s to be an on-site, hive-swarm carbon-wallow–the Professor’s very own hick-university place of employment, being staked out as ground-zero for the whole silly-assed, waste of time affair, to be exact. A venue we can well imagine is a welcoming “safe-space” for chatterbox, grab-ass, academic parasites, who just love to hear themselves chatter. Again, so what else is new?
And, finally, given that the hive-orthodoxy tags anthropogenic C02 as a baby-killer and a polar bear killer, I’d like to respectfully ask of those planning to attend this improbable eco-confab, under discussion, just “Who do they think they are?”, considering the lethal, C02-spew their on-site attendance will produce?

benofhouston
Reply to  george e. smith
April 22, 2016 5:05 pm

Can you please stop using terms for farmers as derogatory. I understand your anger, but there is no need to use terms like “hick” and “hayseed” as insults. That demeans hardworking people by comparing them to this fearmonger.

mike
Reply to  george e. smith
April 22, 2016 6:28 pm

@benofhouston
Hey Ben. I considered the “insensitivity” of my comment when I wrote it. And, for what it’s worth, I’m the multi-generational product of farmers, on both sides of my family, reaching back to the earliest days of the neolithic, I suspect–that multi-generational, farm-boy inheritance broken only recently by “The Great Depression”, when my father’s family lost their farm, and “The Good War”, when my mother, with her Indian and Indian-fighter, agriculturalist heritage found employment in the war industries of California. So I’m in no way contemptuous of those who are honest laborers and who are, as well, good and decent men and women of wholesome character and self-reliance–especially farmers.
But you see, Ben, our goof-off “betters” think otherwise. They only consider rip-off, make-a-buck scams and hustles, aimed at us coolie-trash herdling-nobodies (their view of you and moi, ben), as a fit employment for their Philosopher King/Queen, power-and-control ambitions. And our natural, “golden” aristocrats also think that they are “cool” and so, so superior to us of the groaning, expendable hoi-polloi, who toil in the fields and punch the clock, to produce the wealth our predatory-elite so very much want to grab from us and fritter away on their frivolous, brazen-hypocrite, carbon-piggie pleasures.
So my only intent in directing “bucolic” abuse at the good Professor, of the topside post, was to puncture his puffed-up, cool-dude pretensions–my estimate being that the Professor’s fragile-ego depends on a sense of snobbish elevation above us “little guys”, and that by me bringin’ him down to our level, I just might push one or more of his hive-bozo buttons, big-time. An end always to be desired, I recommend, Ben.
Remember, Ben, we are the hive-tool Professor’s “enemy”, and so we must use what we have, at hand, to take the fight to the hive–a fight that the hive picked in the first place, I might add. And, in that regard, my sense of the matter, derived from my farmer stock ancestry, is that our “peon survival strategy” is to bide our time, play to our oppressor’s pompous-ass affectations, and then to make our “move” when we are pressed beyond our durance, at the time and place that suits us (non-violently and fully within the law, of course). It’s called “peasant cunning”, Ben, as you know.

Reply to  mike
April 22, 2016 8:33 pm

Mike, I believe you are correct in the main. My prior posts point to the conclusion that the Professor’s is a low-rent continuation of the attack on the credibility of outsiders’ work to understand the true climate science. His little twist is that he is directing a broad literary critique of skeptical work to pick at individual foibles. His cadres will assume alarmist “facts” and try to show how weak skeptical papers are because of the lack of scientific “understanding” and backward literary standards of their authors. Elitism in academia.

Peter Miller
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
April 21, 2016 3:28 pm

Well said.

RoHa
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
April 21, 2016 8:03 pm

…Does Demonizing the Other Side Promote Constructive Debate Over Climate Change?…
No, but that is not going to stop people on all sides of the debate from doing it. I see a lot of it in the comments in WUWT.

Reply to  RoHa
April 21, 2016 8:27 pm

Red,
“No, but that is not going to stop people on all sides of the debate from doing it. I see a lot of it in the comments in WUWT.”
Ah…..thank you for sharing your very non-constructive opinion, about someone else’s opinion.
The debate was declared “over” before it even began…..so much for constructive huh? If this good Professor wanted a constructive debate, he’d ASK skeptics to tell him who they are personally, rather than relying on the magical powers of environ-mentalists, who just “generally know what skeptics are”.
Environmentalists
Environment-“the surroundings or conditions in which a person, animal, or plant lives or operates”
Mentalist-“a magician who performs feats that apparently demonstrate extraordinary mental powers, such as mind-reading.”

David A
Reply to  RoHa
April 21, 2016 10:02 pm

Roha…”No, but that is not going to stop people on all sides of the debate from doing it. I see a lot of it in the comments in WUWT.”
========================================
A man walks down the street and gets mugged. He calls the mugger a human scumbag piece of something. Was the mugged man demonizing the mugger, or was he calling it accurately?
(Roha, just so we are clear, the multi trillion dollar political movement of CAGW is the mugger in this story)

benofhouston
Reply to  RoHa
April 22, 2016 5:09 pm

There are a few people that deserve such derision. However most people are just misinformed or truly and genuinely think that what they are doing is best. Insults for them aren’t helpful and just lock them out of the conversation.
The Nigerian minister’s article on how hunting bans empoverished people and threatened lives did more good for our cause than 10 million facebook posts because it caused people to think. The thought that they might be doing more harm than good literally never crossed people’s minds.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/world/a-hunting-ban-saps-a-villages-livelihood.html

simple-touriste
Reply to  RoHa
April 26, 2016 9:58 pm

“A man walks down the street and gets mugged. He calls the mugger a human scumbag piece of something”
The mugger hears about it in the news and sues for violation of his right to “respect, right to voice his opinion (the news reporter failed to ask him his point of view), and for lack of consideration for his culture (he claims that mugging people is a cultural thing).
Fiction today, but for how long?

Richard
April 21, 2016 2:14 pm

Demonizing the other side never promotes constructive dialog.
But globalwarmists don’t want constructive dialog. They want totalitarian control, and the ability to silence critics.

Reply to  Richard
April 21, 2016 3:35 pm

“They want totalitarian control, and the ability to silence critics.”
“Demonizing the other side never promotes constructive dialog.”

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 4:08 pm

Nick, Richard was just telling us who “THEY think they are”, which is how Professor Garrard initiates a “constructive democratic debate”. So all better. Right?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 4:44 pm

Nick, we of the skeptical persuasion have tried reason, facts and figures, giving the believers of catastrophe the benefit of doubt, we’ve made excuses for them and we’ve tried to teach them. Still they continue with their fingers in their ears, refusing to look, listen or learn, denigrating all who stand in their way. It’s perfectly reasonable to have doubts now and to express aloud what we see and hear most clearly. These people do not want debate.

eric barnes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 5:06 pm

Nick is the absolute summit of playing dumb for the cause .

commieBob
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 6:35 pm

eric barnes says: April 21, 2016 at 5:06 pm
Nick is the absolute summit of playing dumb for the cause .

Nick stokes the fire. It’s remarkable how some folks feel compelled to live up to their names.

David A
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 10:07 pm

“They want totalitarian control, and the ability to silence critics.”
Nick, how is that demonizing when numerous leaders of the green movement in the United nations have blatantly stated as much. Have been ignorant of the recent RICO threats. Did you miss Obama threats to deniers? Did you fail to read any books on the subject? I recommend “Blue Planet in Green Shackle’s.”
Did you miss threats to jail skeptics? Did you not see the 350.org video? What planet have you been living on?

David A
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 10:20 pm

Nick Stokes, How, in speaking of the political movement of CAGW is saying…
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“They want totalitarian control, and the ability to silence critics.”
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anything but truthful?
Nick, did you not read about the recent RICO collusion by politicians?
Did you not read about the president calling thousands of PHD scientists deniers?
Did you miss the 350.org video?
Have you missed entire books on the subject? (I recommend “Blue Planet in Green Shackle’s”)
Did you miss the quotes from numerous U.N. leading “environmentalists” directly stating the real goal is global government?
What planet have you been living on?

Christopher Hanley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2016 11:47 pm

“They want totalitarian control, and the ability to silence critics” (Nick Stokes).
==================================
What’s your point? They admit it themselves.
“However much people profess to care about climate change, they do not seem willing to vote for this – nor do politicians seem willing to really try and persuade them,” he said. “All the evidence from the past 15 years leads me to conclude that actually delivering 1.5C is simply incompatible with democracy” (Professor Michael Grubb of University College London UK Telegraph 12 Dec. 2015.
If you look for them you can find many other quotes from alarmists in a similar vein.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 22, 2016 7:15 am

“Professor Michael Grubb of University College London”
This argument is just saying “They demonize us, we demonize demons. That’s them.”
But who is Michael Grubb? Does he speak for all of “them”? And in any case, what is he saying? He’s saying that 1.5C is incompatible with democracy, and you immediately jump to conclude that he wants authoritarian rule. I think he’s just saying that we probably won’t manage 1.5C.
And looking at the rest, it’s just a collection of spotty grievances, hardly any of which have anything to do with “totalitarian control”. Yet that is the blanket statement. “They want totalitarian control, and the ability to silence critics.”

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 22, 2016 9:37 am

Is accurately describing the other side, now demonization?

commieBob
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 22, 2016 11:58 am

MarkW says: April 22, 2016 at 9:37 am
Is accurately describing the other side, now demonization?

Yes it can be, even if you state what is 100% unvarnished truth. Consider the first mate who wrote in the ship’s log:

The captain was sober last night.

It was a true statement, wasn’t it? I wonder why the captain wasn’t thrilled.

There are two professions in which the ability to keep one’s mouth shut
is clearly an advantage — one is diplomacy and the other is ventriloquism.

On the other hand, if you want to start a fight, the truth often does quite nicely. 🙂

David A
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 22, 2016 12:18 pm

Sorry Nick, your assertions of spotty incidents is piss poor observation of the trillion dollar industry of CAGW.
Nick, did you not read about the recent RICO collusion by politicians?
Did you not read about the president calling thousands of PHD scientists deniers?
Did you miss the 350.org video?
Have you missed entire books on the subject? (I recommend “Blue Planet in Green Shackle’s”)
Did you miss the quotes from numerous U.N. leading “environmentalists” directly stating the real goal is global government?
What planet have you been living on?

Resourceguy
April 21, 2016 2:16 pm

The meaner the better for ratings and coverage.

Editor
April 21, 2016 2:18 pm

“….’environmentalists’ generally ‘know who climate skeptics are: oil company shills, religious fundamentalists and neoliberal cheerleaders.’”
How many of us actually fall into those categories?

Bryan A
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 2:26 pm

I dunno, I always thought it was Shell Oil not Shill Oil

Marcus
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 2:33 pm

..What, you haven’t gotten your cheque from “Big Oil” companies yet ?? /sarc

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 2:41 pm

Few.
Which just goes to show who the truly clueless are on this issue.

TA
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 2:46 pm

Not me.

MarkW
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 3:01 pm

Accuracy is not important. Destroying all opposition to yourself is.

Editor
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 3:17 pm

For those oil companies that have gas interests – ie. most of them – there is massive profit to be made by putting coal companies out of business. They can do this under the CO2-mitigation banner quite safely, because there is no viable alternative to oil for most of oil’s uses. [Electric cars are no threat, because they need electricity, which can be generated more cheaply using gas than by any other means, except possibly coal.]. It is absurd that the enviros continue to attack the oil companies, but it is very convenient for the oil companies because it keeps attention off what they are actually doing. But the enviros (well, some of them anyway) don’t understand any of this – they believe their own publicity and are suing Exxon. This is forcing Exxon to fight back, and there is now the delightful prospect that this will bring down the whole pack of cards. Maybe. Unfortunately, I suspect that both sides will engineer their way out of it intact, while still ensuring the end of coal in the USA, thus handing over even more of the world’s economy to the USA’s competitors. Popcorn futures are up yet again …..

rw
Reply to  Mike Jonas
April 22, 2016 12:02 pm

This brings to mind that line about feeding the crocodile …

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 3:24 pm

Got mine! Exxon pays me $0.05/gallon to use their credit card at an Exxon gas station.

Peter Miller
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 3:30 pm

One in a thousand would be my best guess.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 4:23 pm

You know Bob, your question triggered an opposing question in my head….how much research has been done to determine what it is, exactly, that “environmentalists generally KNOW” about who climate skeptics are vs what “environmentalists generally INSINUATE” about them? Has there been any investigation to determine if these “environmentalists” actually have some sort of paranormal cognitive function that allows them to accurately identify “oil company shills, religious fundamentalists, and neoliberal cheerleaders”? Or on the other side, if they are so cognitively impaired that they don’t understand the difference between facts and propaganda?
I mean…..maybe I’m the only one that missed this….but it IS possible that this whole time we’ve been completely oblivious to the fact that the word “environ-MENTALIST” is actually a perfect derivation of the two words it combines!:
Environment- “the surroundings or conditions in which a person, animal, or plant lives or operates”.
and
Mentalist- “a magician who performs feats that apparently demonstrate extraordinary mental powers, such as mind-reading.”
And if that is indeed the case, then there must be some sort of scientific protocols in place to determine who actually HAS those powers vs those who are just faking it. 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  Aphan
April 22, 2016 9:39 am

Haven’t seen one about environmentalists. However I have seen several studies that compare what conservatives know about liberal positions vs what liberals know about conservative positions.
In every single case, conservatives come out way better informed.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 4:46 pm

I get 4 cents off a litre of petrol if I shop at Coles or Woolies. That’s the closest I get.

JohnKnight
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 11:15 pm

Bob,
“How many of us actually fall into those categories?”
I see the “list” as a “divide and conquer” staple . . the whole thing reeks of psyop (psychological operation) to me. I caution against accepting any of itr as honest human expression.

Toto
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 21, 2016 11:30 pm

“How many of us actually fall into those categories?”
Oh, about the same number of those “witches” who actually were witches.
How can you believe them about climate when they are so wrong about the skeptics?

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
April 22, 2016 12:02 am

Bob Tisdale April 21, 2016 at 2:18 pm
“….’environmentalists’ generally ‘know who climate skeptics are: oil company shills, religious fundamentalists and neoliberal cheerleaders.’”
How many of us actually fall into those categories?

Don’t know where I’d fit in.
Oil shills? I’ve never received a shilling from any oil company. But, then again, I live in the USA. Maybe I should move somewhere where they use shillings so I can cash in?
Religious fundamentalists? Sounds a bit like an all purpose label one would stick above the pigeon hole they shove people into that believe something other than they do. The stronger the belief, the bolder the font.
“Neoliberal cheerleaders”? Not sure what a “neoliberal” is. An Obama liberal versus a JFK liberal? A Neanderthal that stomps out food stamps?
The labels people want to stick on other people are generally go small

Greg
April 21, 2016 2:24 pm

Wow, Anti-Environmentalism, I’d never heard of that one before. Must a branch of anti-science that I’m not fami1iar with.
With a job title like Associate Professor of Sustainability it’s pretty obvious he must totally open-minded and objective.

MarkW
Reply to  Greg
April 21, 2016 3:03 pm

It’s a variant of the standard left wing trope.
IE, unless you worship the environment above all other things and take a position that no changes that are caused by man are acceptable, no matter how minor.
Than you are anti-environment.
It’s right up there with any opposition to the latest expansion of welfare means you are anti-poor and want brown skinned people to die.

Tom Halla
April 21, 2016 2:25 pm

Discussing climate change and “renewable energy” online tends to get like discussing religion with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The advocates tend to know a limited number of talking points, but do not much care about their validity. Attempts to enforce that sort of othodoxy very soon leads to challenging the motives of the speaker rather than what they are saying. I have been called a troll, vendido, or a paid spokesman for winning an exchange. It is very difficult to avoid reciprocating that sort of insult, which most commenters on this site are amazingly able to do.

Marcus
Reply to  Tom Halla
April 21, 2016 2:38 pm

..Wow, you should be happy they were nice to you !! I’ve had death threats numerous times on liberal blogs because my opinion was ” killing all the Polar Bears ” !!

MarkW
Reply to  Marcus
April 21, 2016 3:04 pm

One young communist that I debated declared that any rational person would be willing to kill someone they caught raping their mother.
According to him, anyone who didn’t worship nature the way he did was guilty of raping mother nature and deserved to die.

Reply to  Marcus
April 21, 2016 3:10 pm

What he forgot is that you can only kill someone if it is “legitimate” rape.

MarkW
Reply to  Marcus
April 22, 2016 9:41 am

In his “mind” raping the planet was legitimate rape.

Reply to  Tom Halla
April 21, 2016 2:44 pm

Only after many years of the same garbage being heaped on me have I just gotten so sick of it I find myself losing all patience and even my manners.

Bryan A
April 21, 2016 2:25 pm

Seems to me that the Best thing to do would be to fill the Symposium with Climate Realists. If skeptics could garner about 75% of the available seating, it would serve to demonstrate that his sides “Witch Hunt” tactics won’t work to silence what would then be the majority of the symposium attendees.

Reply to  Bryan A
April 21, 2016 2:58 pm

400 km drive for me.
I doubt we could get 75% but it would be fun to have a cadre of skeptics show up.
Road trip? Who else is “in the area”?

Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 21, 2016 5:10 pm

I wish I was! I’d join you like a shot. I’m in Australia – too far away.

NW sage
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 21, 2016 5:20 pm

Perhaps we could get ourselves arrested for being ‘non-believers? [tongue-in-cheek]

David A
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 21, 2016 10:27 pm

Should we come in costume as “oil company shills, religious fundamentalists and neoliberal cheerleaders”?

Bryan A
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 21, 2016 10:58 pm

Come dressed as the Exxon Tiger wearing necklaces of Scallop Shells and BP green coats with Red, White and Blue Chevrons on the sleeves carrying signs that say “Missed my BIG OIL check and this is all I had to wear”

David A
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 22, 2016 1:20 am

LOL, just add a berka and pom-poms.

David A
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 22, 2016 1:21 am

…but how does a neo-liberal dress?

Bryan A
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 22, 2016 6:49 am

wearing buttons that say BIG OIL DOESN’T SUPPORT ME…I SUPPORT BIG OIL

rw
Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 22, 2016 12:06 pm

Be sure you bring a maimed eagle or buzzard (or even better, a whooping crane).

goldminor
Reply to  Bryan A
April 21, 2016 6:11 pm

Can we bring tomatoes into the conference?

Steve Heins
April 21, 2016 2:26 pm

Who is going to save the planet and its people from those trying to save the planet?

Marcus
Reply to  Steve Heins
April 21, 2016 2:42 pm

..Yes, we need a Reality Warrior to defeat all the Eco-Terrorists and bring some sanity back to science . I prefer Cruz, but Trump will do …!

Peter Miller
Reply to  Steve Heins
April 21, 2016 3:42 pm

Steve
That has to be the greatest question facing the world today.
Unfortunately it’s up to us.

Reply to  Steve Heins
April 21, 2016 4:29 pm

Steve, the planet is going to be fine. I don’t think we have the power to “save” it any more than we do the power to destroy it. If the majority of the people on it are too stupid to comprehend the stupidity of those who pretend that they can save the planet….then the gene pool needs a nice big dose of chlorine anyway. 🙂

Owen in GA
Reply to  Aphan
April 21, 2016 6:33 pm

Are you channeling Carlin there? I believe his quote was “the world will be just fine…it’s the people who are (bleeped).

Latitude
April 21, 2016 2:26 pm

The UBC is heavily invested in climate change…they have courses….even online courses
….that generate income
So yes, it benefits them to keep the ball rolling

JW
April 21, 2016 2:28 pm

Please take this message of the environmentalists to heart and the commentary of those here before me as well. This is not about science or truth or even ideology. This is about forging weapons from whatever material that can be found to promote the will to rule.
The governments of the Western world as well as lessor institutions and movements have been captured by a cabal which I shall call the Plutocracy for its agents are well financed and heavily ensconced in the upper regions of the financial system and are often wealthy in their own right.
Its basic method of conquest uses all available avenues of approach to undermine its opposition. It will use military means when available and suitable but military action is only one small part of its program.
It promotes policies of Austerity and promotes the issuance of massively excessive debt to undermine whole economies. The profits gained are used to further promote its operations of conquest in other areas of society. It seeks to undermine the economies of all nations for poor people are easier to rule than rich people.
People searching for a crust of bread have no time for opposition or politics of any sort. They seek to operate the world at the level of subsistence for the economic leverage over people is maximal. The smallest economic contraction can tip large numbers of people over the line from subsistence into death, a true weapon of mass destruction wrung from the fabric of economic existence.
It seeks control of the press to attack systematically any opposition; it promotes compliant and weak politicians who will do its bidding to secure control over government. It promotes all ideas in society, philosophical, religious, political, scientific, or legal with which it can sow dissension and division.
It undermines education to force ignorance and irrelevance down the throats of the public to secure its authority. It turns the schools into prisons and forces the students to listen to its destructive doctrines throughout the day; the better to indoctrinate and recruit future soldiers of occupation to serve in all walks of life.
It appeals to crazies and opportunists of all stripes, those with fanatical conceptions to promote and those who seek to profit whatever the cost. It uses fools and dupes wherever they may be found, working them into the fabric of its designs.
It undermines the free pursuit of knowledge. It finances the careers of rigid minded scientific bureaucrats who have squelched the free development of scientific ideas and have turned scientific theory into scientific dogma. It then uses that dogma to promote policies and actions destructive of the well being and good order of the people across the world.
It represents 21st century warfare at its finest and most thoroughly diabolical though its roots are very old. It is the true embodiment of full spectrum dominance. Its goal is to rule one of the most finely drawn tyrannies ever devised. Its power is to be ubiquitous and total. Its motto is submit or die.
It is very late in the day. World War III has been raging for some time now yet most people do not realize they are at war against an implacable enemy. Many may never realize that they are losing a most desperate war for survival.
Whenever you read, see or hear of the inexplicable, the nonsensical, the horrible, the perverse and the cruel just remember the world is at war and you are the intended victim.

Marcus
April 21, 2016 2:30 pm

“..The Greens are too Yellow to admit that they are actually Red ( communist ) ! ” ..Lord Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley..

Greg
April 21, 2016 2:30 pm

“challenging reductive stereotypes ”
Oh, like: “climate skeptics are: oil company shills, religious fundamentalists and neoliberal cheerleaders”, you mean?
Good luck with homogenizing your assumptions, Ass. Prof. Garrard

Reply to  Greg
April 21, 2016 4:36 pm

Greg-
This is the one that got me- “homogenizing assumptions”-
Homogenize- “make uniform or similar.
synonyms: make uniform, make similar, standardize, unite, integrate, fuse, merge, blend, meld, coalesce, amalgamate, combine”
THAT has irrational, illogical, and WTH written all over it! Nothing like a “scientist” having the goal to standardize, blend, or merge what a group “speculates or believes without PROOF”.
The stupid….it burns.

David A
Reply to  Aphan
April 22, 2016 1:22 am

…does not work with the surface record either.

ShrNfr
April 21, 2016 2:37 pm

Perhaps we should schedule a conference on cargo cults and eschatology and invite some of these folks to be living examples of same. This stuff has gone beyond science and become religion I am afraid.

simple-touriste
Reply to  ShrNfr
April 21, 2016 4:48 pm

“Perhaps we should schedule a conference on cargo cults and eschatology and invite some of these folks to be living examples of same”
Could even be a diner…

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  simple-touriste
April 21, 2016 6:48 pm

simple-touriste April 21, 2016 at 4:48 pm
and invite some of these folks to be living examples of same”
Could even be a diner…
Despite the Morlock thingy I do not eat junk food. And yes as a public announcement once again I urge anyone to eat their greens. (yellow beans etc count)
michael

Reply to  simple-touriste
April 21, 2016 8:32 pm

Mike,
But “greens” today are nasty….thin, stringy, skin like leather and they taste like tofu. And hopelessness. 🙂

April 21, 2016 2:39 pm

Good comment, Tom Halla. They have pretty limited talking points, after which they tend to just attack emotionally. They’re all convinced that we are destroying the Earth. When the next big scam after AGW comes along, whenever it does, they’ll all believe that one too – because they really _want_ to believe, for some reason.

MarkW
Reply to  Jibsy
April 21, 2016 3:08 pm

For those with absolutely no accomplishments in their lives, and no prospect of ever having any, religious movements like this offer a chance at personal redemption.
By hating the right people and spouting dogma with sufficient enthusiasm, they convince themselves that they are part of a righteous movement. This movement gives meaning to their lives that they have been unable to achieve on their own.

April 21, 2016 2:50 pm

I’d like to present a paper for Garrard’s conference. Title:
“Ignorance, prejudice and bias in the academic study of climate skepticism”.

MarkW
April 21, 2016 3:00 pm

Before you can agree to correct negative externalities, you need to come to a solid consensus regarding whether there actually are negative externalities. Beyond that you have to come to an agreement regarding how bad said externalities are and how much effort is to used to get rid of them.
The vast majority of things that govt seeks to ban as “negative externalities” either aren’t actually negative externalities, or are so trivial in scope that the efforts to eradicate them inevitably result in more damage than did the externalities in the first place.

April 21, 2016 3:02 pm

One of the ironies of Garrard’s conference is that he himself is a critic of apocalyptic views in his book Ecocriticism (2004), writing: “Just like Christian millennialism, environmental apocalypticism has had to face the embarrassment of failed prophecy even as it has been unable to relinquish the trope altogether” (p. 100). For some reason, Garrard has now embraced this failed trope in the belief that climate apocalypticism, unlike all previous environmental apocalyptisms, is the real deal.
Garrad appears to have experienced something of a Damascus road conversion to ecofasc1sm. Thus the virulence of his attitude and genocidal hatred of his religious enemies. If the police raided his home and looked on his computer, they would probably find entries for Zuklon-B crystals in his search engine.

Reply to  belousov
April 22, 2016 4:56 am

The irony goes even deeper, for Garrard is working to bring about the very apocalyptic conditions (NWO) that he derides as being “failed prophecy.”
“…That none may buy or sell, save they that have the mark.”
Total — Economic — Control. ============== The prophecy stands.

u.k(us)
April 21, 2016 3:14 pm

“… it has nothing to do with science, but everything to do with their anti-human agendas.”
============
If I really thought it was an agenda, rather than some kind of psychosis, I’d feel no pity in its destruction.
Maybe they just need to be bombarded with facts ?

Retired Kit P
April 21, 2016 3:20 pm

Am I the only one who does not consider economics a science?
‘Environmental professionals’ are quick to distance themselves from ‘environmentalists’. Having completed course work for a masters in environmental engineering, I have taken both environmental science and environmental engineering (aka civil engineering) classes. With a few exceptions, environmental science classes are a like political science or economics.
So as a group environmentalists, economists, and political scientists are ignorant of science particularly when comes to making good choices to protect the environment.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
April 21, 2016 3:28 pm

Economics is a science like cooking is an art.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Menicholas
April 22, 2016 9:03 am

@Menicholas
I don’t think you’ll get much traction with that simile. Watching various cooking shows from time to time has led me to understand that the very best cooks are indeed artists.

Reply to  Retired Kit P
April 21, 2016 4:58 pm

Economics is indeed very similar (and I have said it myself) to climate science. Systems are usually overspecified and not well understood; models are deterministic and simplified with missing variables, but used anyway for forecasting, and the reliability depends on how and for what reason they are used. Often since the model specification is not well understood they are used in what-if scenario type modeling to compare something versus a base case or versus doing nothing.

Ian L. McQueen
Reply to  Retired Kit P
April 21, 2016 6:08 pm

In articles that I have written, along with the environmentalists, economists, and political scientists I normally include sociologists, politicians, and (more and more) journalists. But right after the journalists I’d put the economists. (Let us remember what “they” say about economists: “If all the economists in the world were laid end-to-end they’d never reach a conclusion.”)
Ian M

MarkW
Reply to  Ian L. McQueen
April 22, 2016 9:43 am

I believe it was LBJ who asked for a one handed economist.
So he couldn’t say “on the other hand”.

April 21, 2016 3:24 pm

Looking back, one has to admire Jerome Ravetz, who despite his nonsensical post-normal science, possessed the personal courage and intellectual integrity to show up at WUWT and argue his case, with the rational and well-educated science-oriented people who hang out here.
Greg Garrard, Associate Professor of Sustainability, is putting on a symposium to explore the environmental accusation that AGW skeptics are “oil company shills, religious fundamentalists and neo-liberal cheerleaders“. All categories of scientific know-nothings. How convenient.
WUWT is known world-wide as a global hotbed of AGW skeptics (serious congratulations are due to Anthony Watts for that achievement). Environmentalists ought to have an easy time of it, coming here and showing everyone up as fools. Where are they? Come Gavin! Come Mann! Come Oreskes! You all know you’ll all get the uncensored opportunity to show us up for the world to see. The welcome carpet has been out for years, and it’s been crickets the whole time.
I wonder if the implications of that burning silence are accessible to Greg Garrard.
Prof. Garrard’s symposium seems a little less biased than presented in the above essay. There’s no obvious evidence in the call for papers that he, himself, shares the environmentalists’ lurid and febrile demonization of AGW skeptics. He wants to explore the brand.
How about inviting him to come here and find out for himself, in real time and first-hand, who those people are that he wants to understand from the third-hand distance of his symposium. His professional page at UBC, by the way, lists his courses and interests, the sum of which demonstrate beyond any doubt that Sustainability Studies has no objective content at all.
In any case, after a visit here, perhaps he’d be equipped to present a paper at his own symposium, with actually informed content and a title such as, ‘You Know, They Do Have a Point.’
The symposium page has a comment box. I’ve left an invitation to visit (it’s in moderation; let’s see if it appears). Anyone else?

michael hart
Reply to  Pat Frank
April 21, 2016 3:47 pm

You may be right. There is actually a hint of tone that suggests he really may be asking a genuine question.
But I also think he seems like an English-major who has realised that he too can maybe bilk global-warming for some funding.

rw
Reply to  Pat Frank
April 22, 2016 12:09 pm

You’re getting at the heart of the matter. Garrard won’t do what you suggest because this kind of ritual has nothing to do with examining sceptics objectively. I suspect it’s a kind of Reality Warp management.

Reply to  Pat Frank
April 22, 2016 8:38 pm

There are no comments. Evidently, they’ve all been deleted.

Reply to  teapartygeezer
April 23, 2016 12:54 pm

Mine certainly has been.
I invited Greg Garrard to come here to WUWT and experience first-hand the skeptics he proposes to experience third-hand at his conference. Guess that doesn’t bear countenancing.

April 21, 2016 3:30 pm

History suggests that utopia always comes with corruption of the worst kind, totalitarianism designed to achieve goals set out by naïve lobbyists but resulting instead in death squads, gulags, and neighbor-spying-on-neighbor to keep the elite in power.

“Utopia” is an appealing idea to Man. The problem with “Utopia” is that there are people involved.
In Man’s quest for “Utopia”, the cream doesn’t rise to the top, the crud does.

Reply to  Gunga Din
April 21, 2016 3:32 pm

(The UN comes to mind.)

Reply to  Gunga Din
April 21, 2016 4:04 pm

If Utopians had opened a book, they would realize the irony in their quest for it, for the name lovingly given this Shangri-la means “No Place”. Pipe dreams, anyone? LOL

Michael Palmer
April 21, 2016 3:40 pm

“Clearly the conference’s sole purpose is to denigrate those with views contrary to environmentalists’, particularly the so-called global warming consensus.”

Not sure they mean to do that — they might just view themselves as explorers who fearlessly confront some primitive tribe of South Sea cannibals, in order to study their religious beliefs. Do they take ritual baths in flowing lava? Keep the spirits of deceased ancestors in empty coke bottles? Stuff like that.

Bub Slug
April 21, 2016 3:42 pm

I’m a University of British Columbia graduate and I used to be proud to be one. Now? Not so much. Given the constant attacks on intellectual freedom and free speech by numerous university faculty and officials I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I even went to UBC. On the positive side of the ledger, I’m heartened and somewhat surprised that the defense of free speech wrt questioning Global Warming (sorry, this issue has nothing to do with climate change) is coming from the University of Victoria.
UVIC is usually the hotbed of unpopular, radical, loony and fringe ideas so I’m not sure what to make of it other than free speech must now be considered unpopular, radical, loony and fringe.

Gentle Tramp
April 21, 2016 3:54 pm

Malleus Maleficarum: „Hairesis maxima est opera maleficarum non credere“ = “It is the greatest heresy not to believe in the work of witches”
Lew and other hard core IPCC zealots: “It is the greatest heresy not to believe in future climate disaster by anthropogenic CO2”
Well, the human mind has not very much evolved in the last 500 years… 😉

Gord A
April 21, 2016 4:04 pm

On the question of
“Does Demonizing the Other Side Promote Constructive Debate Over Climate Change?”
The straightforward answer is obviously no. Demon-ization is a debate tactic that should be called out for what it is.
What is interesting is how it is perceived by people on the sidelines. Having spent years in opinion polling and watching focus groups, the answer is very interesting. Many people get very skeptical as soon as someone uses emotional or extreme language. They know that there are two sides to every argument, and that you need cool heads to look at the facts. They expect everyone wants the best for the planet/country, and of course there are different viewpoints on how to reach those goals. If one side seems overly emotional or accusatory, their arguments lose traction in the middle.
However, the simple good vs. evil / David vs. Goliath story also has appeal to some, and can bring in adherents to the cause, particularly if the story they are telling fits some part of the public’s worldview.

David L. Hagen
Reply to  Gord A
April 21, 2016 5:17 pm

Demonization is probably demon driven!

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