Analysis of the Relationship Between Land Air Temperatures and Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Concentrations

Guest essay by Clyde H. Spencer

Before getting into the details of the analysis, it must be stated that there are a number of issues with the available temperature data sets. Some critics have dismissed the historical ocean pH measurements because of the poor spatial sampling. However, the same criticism can be made about historical temperatures. There are still concerns about the influence of the Urban Heat Island effect on recent temperature readings. In addition, the temperature record is a moving target because there are on-going changes made to try to correct for the shortcomings of a system that wasn’t intended to be used to track long-term changes. Therefore, if you attempt to reproduce my results, you will probably find that the data have changed. The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project was started because of distrust in the other existing data sets. I have chosen to use BEST data (08-Jan-2016) because it is readily available and some consider it to be superior to the government data sets. Any conclusions need to be taken with reservation.

Unfortunately, the most detailed atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration data that are available cover only about the last 56 years. The Mauna Loa CO2 data are available from the Scripps Oceanographic website. A scatter-plot of BEST monthly temperatures versus logarithm base-2 (Log2) PPM (parts per million) CO2 concentration was prepared for the period of 1958 through 2015. (See Fig. 1, below) The point cloud for the monthly data is not particularly tight. Indeed, the least-squares fit regression-lines only show an R2 value a little above 0.5 for both the average global high and low temperatures. The classic interpretation of the R2 value is that it represents the amount of variance in the dependent variable (temperature) that can be explained by the independent variable (CO2 concentration). That is, in this situation, only a little more than half of the rise in temperature can be related to the increase of CO2 in the last half-century. Of that CO2 increase, the combustion of fossil fuels probably only accounts for about 75%. (See Spencer, 2015).

Using raw PPM rather than the LOG2 of the PPM CO2 gives slightly higher correlation coefficient with the monthly high-temperatures. (0.533 v. 0.528). Whereas, the opposite is true for low temperatures (0.548 v. 0.550). Thus, it seems that the average low-temperatures behave slightly better with respect to the theory that CO2 is impeding radiative cooling.

Using a 2nd-order fit instead of a linear fit increases the correlations slightly. However, the trend-line curves upward with the high temperatures for the most recent data, but downwards for the low temperatures. The apparent opposite results, suggest that something is affecting the high and low temperatures differently. I have pointed out previously, (Spencer, 2015) that the difference between the high and low temperatures has been increasing in recent years and seems to be the result of the high temperatures increasing more rapidly than the low temperatures. That is the opposite of what one would expect if CO2 were the main driver.

Fig. 1 Monthly average temperature versus Mauna Loa CO2 concentration

Substituting the presumed concentration of CO2 (277 PPM) for the pre-industrial era into the linear regression equations yields high and low temperatures estimates of 13.537 and 2.207 degrees C, respectively. That gives an average of 7.872°C, compared to an average temperature of 8.367 for 1771 from the BEST database. It is a surprisingly good agreement for a linear prediction based on temperatures that generally appear to increase in a saw-tooth pattern.

While the correlation of temperature with CO2 looks compelling, what if it is because the CO2 is coincidentally highly correlated with something else such as natural, in-phase long-term temperature trends or it is simply a proxy for the totality of anthropogenic influences? Remember that correlation does not mean causation!

However, using annual Law Dome CO2 data from 1759 through 2015, the relationship is less well-behaved. (See Fig. 2, below) The correlation coefficient (0.5638) for average temperature versus CO2 is, approximately, what is observed for the Mauna Loa monthly CO2 data. Non-linear behavior is particularly striking for Log2 CO2 concentrations less than 8.35 (≈pre-1972). There also seems to be particularly serious problems with the estimate of CO2 concentrations (284 PPM) or temperature around 1805 to 1840. Note that the slope of the regression line is similar to those in Figure 1

Fig. 2 Average annual BEST global land surface-temperature versus Law Dome ice-core CO2

It is generally thought that pre-industrial CO2 levels were relatively constant, only showing very slow increases. However, at low levels of CO2, the temperatures were varying in a manner not expected from the theoretical model. Some of the low temperatures associated with the downward spike in temperatures with a CO2 log2 concentration of 8.15 may be the result of the eruption of Mt. Tambora (1815), but not all. The temperatures apparently started to decline a decade before the eruption, and remained low longer than the typical two or three years after a major eruption. The decline in temperatures resulting from the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa is barely discernible at a concentration of 8.18. There are also high temperatures paired with low CO2 concentrations.

Assuming that the relationship between CO2 concentrations and temperature is as shown in Figure 1, then the historical temperature data are not trustworthy. If the temperature data, which are 12-month averages, are correct, then there appears to be a serious problem with the assumed control of CO2 over temperatures! Alternatively, the CO2 concentration would have to have been varying considerably at this time to explain the different temperatures. This goes to the heart of my opening statement about the veracity of the historical temperature data and the ability to say anything about temperature increases for anything other than the modern record. Although it is not highly probable, in my judgment, one has to at least entertain the possibility that the modern rise in temperature along with CO2 is a coincidence.

A plot of estimated atmospheric CO2 concentration versus population for the period of 1958 to the present day shows that the rate of growth of CO2 is greater than the population rate. A 2nd-order least squares fit gives an R2 value of 0.999. (See Figure 3 below.)

Fig. 3 Annual Mauna Loa CO2 concentration versus world population

The correlation of historical, global CO2-increases, with population increase, is so high that one must entertain the possibility that the CO2 is a proxy for the totality of anthropogenic effects when used to predict temperatures.

One such effect is anthropogenic water vapor. Combustion produces water from all hydrocarbons, along with CO2. Water used in steel rolling mills, and many other industrial applications, evaporates under conditions it would not have done so were it not for Man. Similarly, water used to cool nuclear reactors and other power plants is released into the atmosphere; it initially condenses into visible water droplets, and then evaporates, increasing the relative humidity. Reservoirs in arid regions provide water vapor both from the reservoir surface and the fields the impounded water irrigates; the water vapor would not have been present before the dams were built. Lastly, massive depletion of underground aquifers, largely for agricultural irrigation, has brought water vapor into contact with the atmosphere during the growing season in arid and semi-arid regions to change the balance of the relative humidity. The essential point here is that ‘Greenhouse Gas’ theory predicts that increasing CO2 will warm the atmosphere slightly and cause additional evaporation of water, which amplifies the CO2 warming. Man is providing additional areas from which water can evaporate.

Another anthropogenic effect is Urban Heat Island contamination of the temperature records as the cities have encroached on what were formerly rural areas. The BEST project claims to have disproved that hypothesis, but it is my opinion that they didn’t search far enough outside the city limits, nor in the right direction. Quattrochi et al. (Project Atlanta, 1999) have demonstrated that the heat and pollution from central Atlanta (GA) influences the weather for miles downwind from the city. Additionally, Watts (2015) has demonstrated a woeful lack of adherence to standards in the siting of many temperature-recording stations. I don’t think this is “settled science.”

A plot of BEST global average land-temperatures versus world population (Figure 4, below) produces what appears to be a near-linear trend with an R2 value (0.782). However, fitting a 2nd-order polynomial produces a trend line with an R2 value of 0.811.

Fig. 4 Average annual global land-temperatures vs. world population

This suggests that all anthropogenic influences may account for as much as 81% of the variance in the land temperatures. I should note that if one plots 12-month smoothed BEST temperature data in Figure 1, instead of monthly temperatures, a linear correlation of similar magnitude is obtained. Therefore, the nominal R2 value of about 0.5 is likely an upper bound on the CO2 impact alone.

Atmospheric CO2 is characterized as a “well-mixed gas.” However, the NASA OCO-2 satellite shows a range of about 4% throughout the world, integrated over a 1-month period (see Fig. 5, below). That is approximately 10% of the claimed total increase in CO2 during the Industrial Era. Notably, there is no obvious evidence for the Northern Hemisphere industrial emissions. The preponderance of high values is over the southern oceans, which might be the result of out-gassing. The Amazon basin also shows elevated CO2; it is unclear whether that is a result of human burning activities or normal decay of vegetation. One needs to ask why OCO-2 isn’t confirming the presumed Northern Hemisphere anthropogenic CO2 when it is blamed for the historic temperature increases, and why there is a larger increase in high-latitude temperatures where CO2 has the lowest concentrations!

Fig. 5 CO2 concentrations from the OCO-2 satellite, July 2015 (NASA/GES DISC)

In summary, approximately 81% of the warming in the last century may have resulted from all anthropogenic influences, as suggested by figure 4. This includes water vapor, CO2, methane, nitrous oxide, and land use changes to the albedo and thermal mass. CO2 may account for as much as 52% to 56% of the contribution from anthropogenic drivers (See Figs. 1 & 2). Fossil fuel-CO2 represents less than 75% of anthropogenic CO2. If we were successful in completely phasing out fossil fuels over the next 100 years, we would have a reduction of 50% in average CO2 emissions. If the Earth is warming at a nominal rate of 1°C per 100 years from all influences, then we can hope, at best, for a reduction in temperature increase of 20% (0.54×0.75×0.50) or 0.20°C. That is to say, if the world were to phase out fossil fuels in the next 100 years the warming would be 0.80 degrees instead of 1.00°C! Unfortunately, eliminating fossil fuel use will probably not be successful in significantly reducing future temperature increases, even if it can be accomplished.

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Graham
February 26, 2016 4:18 am

“(Fig 4) suggests that all anthropogenic influences may account for as much as 81% of the variance in the land temperatures.”
But this suggests that the decline in the population of pirates is responsible.
http://media.photobucket.com/user/IncredibleDeege/media/PiratesGlobalWarming.gif.html?filters%5Bterm%5D=pirates%20and%20global%20warming&filters%5Bprimary%5D=images&filters%5Bsecondary%5D=videos&sort=1&o=6
Let’s not get too carried away with identifying the cause and effect of a correlation to suit a narrative. That’s the alarmists’ game.

Reply to  Graham
February 26, 2016 10:01 am

“The waste heat generated by car engines, power plants, home furnaces and other fossil fuel-burning machinery plays an unappreciated role in influencing regional climates, new computer simulations suggest. By altering atmospheric circulation, human-made heat may raise temperatures by as much as 1 degree Celsius during winter in the northernmost parts of the world.”
https://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/waste-heat-responsible-for-most-of-northern-hemisphere-warming/

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  sunshinehours1
February 26, 2016 10:38 am

I once held the position that waste heat may be a contributor. However, when I did the calculations it appeared that the impact was negligible.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  sunshinehours1
February 27, 2016 7:11 pm

I have wondered about this and thought it unlikely as I don’t buy the AGW idea of no negative feedbacks to warming influences. If, however, one accepts that only a fixed quantity of heat can escape the planet then any increase in heat release into the environment will result in higher temperatures. I don’t believe I have ever seen any formulaic description of how earth’s energy budget balances at different CO2 levels or from different temperature levels. Yet, our knowledge of earth’s past shows we keep resetting to something much like today’s climate. In spite of the high albedo of the many ice ages or the high temperatures of the Jurassic and despite various arrangements of the continents. Also, of course, in spite of much higher CO2 levels.

Reply to  Graham
February 26, 2016 10:15 am
John Harmsworth
Reply to  Steven Mosher
February 27, 2016 7:33 pm

Heat from combustion of fossil fuels s not insignificant. I think at the very least it would be a substantial addition or accelerator of AGW. If it isn’t accounted for in the models then those models are even farther out of wack and the warmists have to explain how that heat escapes earth when AGW heat can’t.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Graham
February 26, 2016 10:36 am

Your example is a spurious inverse correlation. I’m acquainted with the problem. That is why I didn’t claim that population was responsible for the temperature increase. Anthropogenic influences are at least probable because one of them, anthropogenic CO2, is at the center of the debate.

Graham
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 3:31 pm

“…I didn’t claim that population was responsible for the temperature increase.”
But that is the thrust of Fig 4. Population is the independent variable.
“Anthropogenic influences are at least probable…”
Conversely, it is “at least probable” that population may be the dependent variable, increasing with the benefits of global warming.
Or none of the above are “at least probable”. The variables may be simply coincidental. As the globe warmed, for whatever reason, population increased for other reasons.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Graham
February 26, 2016 4:06 pm

Graham,
No, the thrust of Fig. 4 is that there was a correlation between population increase and temperature increase. It would be illogical to conclude that humans were directly responsible for the temperature increase unless they were little thermonuclear reactors. So,the leap of logic was that they are doing things that increased the temperature. Those who claim that AGW is the result of anthropogenic CO2, and principally from fossil fuels, have made the assumption that population is an independent variable. I was pointing out that the extremely high correlation suggested that CO2 was actually a proxy for all anthopogenic effects. Mosher has confirmed that BEST takes a similar view.
Yes, I acknowledged that some or all of the correlations may be coincidental. While I didn’t say it, I considered the hypothesis that warming was responsible for the population growth. However, since hygiene is generally acknowledged to have played a significant role in extending the longevity of humans, and the Green Revolution (fertilizers from petroleum stock) is given credit for most of the increase in food production during the industrial revolution, it didn’t seem to me that the magnitude of the correlation between temperature and population would support the thesis that population was the dependent variable.

Graham
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 7:25 pm

“…it didn’t seem…that population was the dependent variable.”
Some may not dismiss the possibility so readily!
http://web.stanford.edu/~moore/HistoryEcon.html
Anyway, thanks for taking the trouble to compile cogent and thoughtful rejoinders.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Graham
February 26, 2016 8:47 pm

Graham,
I think that one of the problems we are confronted with is that is isn’t an ‘either or’ situation. There are numerous interelated feedback loops. Certainly a warmer climate has made things easier for Man and allowed for more leisure time to invent new things and perhaps allow more babies to survive cold Winters in higher latitudes. Clearly, medical advances have allowed Third World countries to escape former ravages on their population and have burgeoning populations. But, my personal opinion is that GHGs are more the result of human activities and therefore population is the main driver in temperature increases, at least at the moment.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 27, 2016 11:23 am

Anthropogenic influences are at least probable because one of them, anthropogenic CO2, is at the center of the debate.

Clyde Spencer
Untrue statement. Because an assertion is “at the center of [a] debate,” is no evidence at all of its merits.
“Probable” (apparently you have forgotten the meaning of this word) means: “likely to be true.”
When you use reason to try to persuade your child that there is no giant dragon in the closet, that does not make it “at least probable” that there is a giant dragon in the closet.
The conjecture that is AGlobalW is based on not one measurement. There is no evidence of significant probative value AT ALL that CO2 can cause changes in climate, much less human CO2 emissions.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 27, 2016 11:48 am

Janice,
If everyone agreed with you, we wouldn’t be having this exchange. My personal opinion is that the role of CO2 is smaller than is typically attributed by supporters of CAGW. However, I think that it does have a small contribution to part of a complex feedback loop. I think that water vapor is more influential and that humans are also responsible for increased WV, particularly in arid and semi-arid regions of the land. I think that you should try to make Mosher and Stokes see it your way. That should be interesting.

mellyrn
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 27, 2016 1:25 pm

It would be illogical to conclude that humans were directly responsible for the temperature increase unless they were little thermonuclear reactors.
All energy conversions ultimately devolve to heat. When a human stops producing heat, that human is dead. More people -> more heat . . . probably to a trivial degree, yet still greater than zero.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/07/galactic-scale-energy/

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  mellyrn
February 27, 2016 2:13 pm

Mellyrn,
Yes, the heat from humans is obviously greater than zero. But, when I ran the numbers, it was lost in the noise.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 27, 2016 2:25 pm

Yes, Mr. Spencer. However, to repeat my point, “having this exchange,” does not in any way make “Anthropogenic influences [] at least probable because one of them, anthropogenic CO2, is at the center of the debate.
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Re: M0sher and St0kes: there is no point at all to trying to convince a closed mind. Their ignorance is self-imposed. No one can help them except themselves.

george e. smith
Reply to  Graham
February 26, 2016 10:41 am

I’m at a loss to understand, why the author of this essay, insists on shuffling the chairs on the deck.
So you plot BEST monthly Temperatures versus log2 CO2, and don’t get a strong agreement so then you decide to plot a non BEST monthly Temperature set against the linear CO2. Why did you not plot the exact same BEST set against the raw ppm CO2.
And while you are at it, why don’t you plot the exact same BEST Temperature set against exp(CO2 ratio).
Quit moving the pea around under the shells.
I can also match your BEST Temperature set to the function:
y = exp(-1/x^2) with suitable parameters.
If you are trying to sell us on the BEST Temperature data set, instead of the actual measured Temperature data set, then at least use the exact same set for all of the possible theoretical functions you are trying to validate.
There is plenty of historical data showing Temperature going up with CO2, and plenty of data showing Temperature going down, with rising CO2.
It is impossible that such data is a logarithmic relationship.
log x always goes in the same direction as x.
G

george e. smith
Reply to  george e. smith
February 26, 2016 11:15 am

y = 0.000x^2 + 0.000X + 296.232
ergo y = 296.232
G

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  george e. smith
February 26, 2016 11:26 am

George,
I used BEST temperatures in all cases.

AndyG55
Reply to  george e. smith
February 26, 2016 12:10 pm

Why would anyone waste their time plotting BEST against anything !!!!!

AndyG55
Reply to  george e. smith
February 26, 2016 12:11 pm

Heck. they even had to hire a low-end salesman to be their frontman…. right Mosh !!

george e. smith
Reply to  george e. smith
February 26, 2016 2:37 pm

“””””……Using raw PPM rather than the LOG2 of the PPM CO2 gives slightly higher correlation coefficient with the monthly high-temperatures. (0.533 v. 0.528). Whereas, the opposite is true for low temperatures (0.548 v. 0.550). Thus, it seems that the average low-temperatures behave slightly better with respect to the theory that CO2 is impeding radiative cooling. …..”””””
“”.. monthly high-temperatures. …”””
“”.. the opposite is true for low temperatures ..””
I don’t see anywhere in this paragraph where you said you plotted MONTHLY BEST TEMPERATURES against PPM CO2.
You cherry picked just parts of what you plotted against log2(CO2).
I know of no theoretical or experimental claim that either monthly highs, or monthly low vary logarithmically with Temperature.
The theory (false) is that the Temperature is proportional to the log(CO2 ratio). It isn’t of course, but that is the theory; not highs lows, or any other subset.
G

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  george e. smith
February 26, 2016 3:35 pm

George,
You seem to be having trouble understanding this. First you complained that I had switched temperature databases, which wasn’t the case. Then you complained I didn’t use the same BEST data for everything. That was because I first showed the best available data for the last 56 years. To go back farther, I had to use a different BEST temperature set, whose integrity I questioned.. Now finally you are complaining that there is no logarithmic relationship between average temperatures and high and low temperatures. That is not something I ever claimed.

Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 4:20 am

I wonder if the world population vs Temperature relationship holds up through the Maunder and Dalton minimums? Temp vs Time and Population vs Time. I suspect not. Also… cause and effect is not necessarily the same as correlation. A warming planet CAUSES CO2 to come out of solution of sea water.
“…one has to at least entertain the possibility that the modern rise in temperature along with CO2 is a coincidence.” Or the cause/effect relationship is on its head.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 10:45 am

Paul,
If you look at my Fig. 2, it would tend to support your speculation. However, as I pointed out, poor historical data make it difficult to reach any definitive conclusion. The only two OCO-2 maps I have seen suggest that out-gassing from warm oceans is quite prevalent.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 4:27 am
emsnews
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 11:36 am

We do not know the WORLD population before 1900. We are mainly guessing since no one really really counted population, even US census figures don’t have it all down pat until roughly my lifetime! We still don’t today if 11 million illegal aliens live here now, too!

Follow the Money
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 1:47 pm

You understand Paul!! The original secret sauce of the proxy hockey sticks phenomenon.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 27, 2016 1:46 pm

emsnews says:
…11 million illegal aliens live here now…
That is the same number I recall reading in about 2004.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 4:33 am
bobl
February 26, 2016 4:31 am

The correlation of CO2 and population is on the surface compelling BUT is it? It is more than likely related to a common upstream factor, eg that the warmer climate since the LIA has ushered in a “golden era” where humans can proliferate, but the same factor (temperatture) also outgasses the ocean. In general we know that higher fossil fuel consumption results in wealthier countries which have LOWER population growth. So CO2 is not likely to be directly caused by population growth or vice versa, there is another mutual factor. Mind you a billion extra people exhale a lot of CO2.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  bobl
February 26, 2016 10:50 am

Bobl,
I took a stab at estimating human CO2 exhalations in a previous post, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/05/anthropogenic-global-warming-and-its-causes/ . While it is calculable, it doesn’t seem to be a major contributor.

David A
February 26, 2016 4:36 am

The idea that population growth and UHI may be a larger factor then accounted for is reasonable. However the lack of warming in the bulk of the atmosphere does not support CO2 of water vapor forcing even a little bit.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/10/el-nio-shortens-the-pause-by-just-one-month/
While the potential for human increases in water vapor appear reasonable, does data support this? (I did not see such information in the post)
In the US the one surface data set of pristine stations is a very consistent match for both RSS and UHA over the continental US. In addition the surface record has been adjusted far more then most admit when one looks at the historic records from the late 1970s.

Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 7:54 am

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 10:57 am

David A,
I must admit I only have anecdotal evidence for what anthropogenic humidity as done to Phoenix and farmers in the Mid-west. I don’t have large grants and graduate-student slave labor to pursue it. It is my hope to remove some blinders to alternatives to the reigning paradigm and encourage others to explore alternative explanations.

David A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 8:54 pm

I can see how human induced water vapor could add to UHI in some regions as something worthy of consideration, but not to overall atmospheric warming. I drive several times a year up and down the 99 in Calif, through small towns and large agricultural areas. The T varies by two to three degrees in micro climates throughout the drive, especially at night.
IMV, the oceans are a GHL (Greenhouse Liquid) and variations in their absorption of SW radiation due to cloud cover, jet stream flux, and possibly solar cycles are the dog wagging climates tail. All of the man made reservoirs in the world if 100 percent full, and emptied in one moment, would raise the worlds oceans about .5 inches.

Chris Wright
February 26, 2016 5:11 am

A fascinating post.
Fig.3 strongly suggests that mankind can take much of the credit for the increasing CO2 which is making the planet greener.
Fig.4 is fascinating. The most likely explanation is that much of the apparent warming is due to the growth of urban heating and the closure of rural stations, particularly in the 1990’s. The climate establishment’s refusal to properly compensate for UHI is close to criminal behaviour. Not only is it possible scientific fraud, it may be financial fraud, as governments are squandering trillions of dollars based on this possible scientific fraud.
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A fascinating graph has been posted several times here at WUWT. I don’t know its origin. Its title is:”USHCN Temperature Adjustments Vs .Atmospheric CO2″
If correct, then this graph shows an extraordinary correlation between the *adjustments* and CO2. I doubt if there is any physical explanation for such a correlation.
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If a similar correlation exists for the global temperature data, then this would go a long way toward explaining the apparent correlation between temperature and CO2. To put it bluntly: without the need for any organised conspiracy over the years, have hundreds or thousands of scientists been unconsciously adjusting the data so that it more closely fits their assumptions?
Chris

ferdberple
Reply to  Chris Wright
February 26, 2016 7:06 am

much of the modern global warming also coincides with the closing of a large number of weather stations as a result of the break up of the Soviet Union. It may simply be an artifact of closing a lot of colder stations in Siberia, which was largely masked due to the smearing effect of anomalies and homogenization.

Alan Davidson
Reply to  Chris Wright
February 26, 2016 9:57 am

USHCN Temperature Adjustments vs Atmospheric CO2 content graph is from Steve Goddard/Tony Heller’s informative http://www.RealClimateScience.com blog. The very close correlation is indeed extraordinary. Adjustments probably involve only a few NOAA staff in co-ordination with a few in NASA GISS, not hundreds or thousands of scientists.

nc
Reply to  Chris Wright
February 26, 2016 10:11 am

I always wonder why when ever it is said C02 does this or that there never seems to be a differentiation between anthropogenic and natural C02. Including this article unless I missed it, all C02 seems to always be thrown into the same vat. Has the ratio between anthropogenic and natural C02 decreased?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  nc
February 26, 2016 11:05 am

nc,
Until the launch of OCO-2, most research came squarely down on the back of humans as the source of increasing CO2. In looking at the sparse published results of OCO-2, it is difficult to see the presumed sources of anthropogenic CO2.

Reply to  Chris Wright
February 26, 2016 11:15 pm

Chris Wright:
You ask

To put it bluntly: without the need for any organised conspiracy over the years, have hundreds or thousands of scientists been unconsciously adjusting the data so that it more closely fits their assumptions?

The answer is YES. Please read this especially its Appendix B.
Richard

February 26, 2016 5:30 am

This article makes numerous outstanding objective points. From my own experience predicting crop yields, I’ve noted a significant increase in low level moisture/dew points over the majority of the US Cornbelt during the growing season vs just 3 decades ago. This is almost entirely from the increased evapotranspiration from corn plant populations that are now almost twice as dense as they were(based on advances in technology/genetics).
The planet is greening up from the increase in CO2. There is clearly a greater contribution to evapotranspiration and low level moisture as a result of this.
Is this a positive feedback?
Well, the increase of water vapor in the Cornbelt during the growing seasons says otherwise. It results in a lower lifting condensation level, earlier formation of day time cumulus and earlier and more widespread cooling convection as well as lower daytime readings.
Warmer lows at night for sure but less solar heating from the increase in low level clouds……..and a decrease in average cloud height…..more effective radiation than higher clouds because they are warmer.

David A
Reply to  Mike Maguire
February 26, 2016 6:04 am

Mike, interesting comment on negative feedback potential.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/clip_image036.jpg

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Maguire
February 26, 2016 6:53 am

Doesn’t a higher CO2 level result in lower evapotranspiration on a per plant basis?

mebbe
Reply to  MarkW
February 26, 2016 7:56 am

There is no doubt that enhanced CO2 results directly in increased photosynthate and increased growth; more foliage, bigger foliage. Bigger plants transpire more than smaller plants and the partial closure of stomata in response to a large increase in CO2 does not change that.
The recently vaunted ability of incremental, 2ppm annual enrichment of global CO2 to greenify the deserts relies on a tortuous rationale that comes down to retention of soil moisture.
In fact, there’s good reason to think that the expansion of acacia (not just grasses) range in the Sahel is the result of increased precipitation and there’s no shortage of evidence that that’s the case.

Reply to  MarkW
February 26, 2016 1:03 pm

Good point. Yes, higher CO2 levels do cause plants to be more water efficient:
https://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/photosynthesis-and-co2-enrichment/
What is the amount of additional surface area of plants and potential transpiration vs what is the amount that is conserved(from photo-respiration being suppressed) with higher amounts of CO2?
Impossible to know. Observations in the US Midwest are with an extreme example using a C4 crop, corn that has almost twice the surface area compared to the 1970’s crop. Clearly, the amount of increase in transpiration is by far much greater than the better efficiency from the increase in CO2 since then. We can see widespread dew point increases up to 10 degrees F at times just from corn transpiration in late June into early August.
This has made for a giant laboratory experiment……that applies only to around a 10 state area region, where humans manipulated the vegetation to grow food(and unfortunately, bio-fuel) .
What would be the case in nature, where the increased surface area from a greening planet is more modest, maybe +15% over the same time frame?
It would not be so one sided. Maybe it’s balanced? There are other contributing components related to the hydrologic budget that are hard to estimate but potentially significant.

Richard111
February 26, 2016 5:38 am

I am unable to understand how CO2 molecules in the atmosphere ‘trap’ heat. Is there a tutorial that laymen can understand out there in the world wide web?

David A
Reply to  Richard111
February 26, 2016 5:51 am

They do not trap heat The redirect about 50% of outgoing longwave radiation in a narrow band, so that the residence time of some energy increases, while input (insolation) remains constant thus more total energy in the system.

David A
Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 5:52 am

The redirect towards the surface about 50% (slightly less) of outgoing longwave radiation in a narrow band, so that the residence time of some energy increases, while input (insolation) remains constant thus more total energy in the system.

Alex
Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 6:19 am

David A
Would the narrow band be about 1% of longwave?

ferdberple
Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 7:14 am

CO2 also captures head from surrounding air molecules via conduction and radiates slightly more than 50% of that to space. The atmosphere would be isothermal otherwise.
This cools the atmosphere which then cools the surface because the atmosphere and surface are tied together via the Lapse Rate, which is a function of gravity and the condensation of water. The dry air lapse rate is identical to the conversion of potential energy into kinetic energy by gravity. The wet air lapse rate depends on how much water is in the atmosphere.
Unfortunately climate science is obsessed with radiation, likely due to growing up during the cold war and nuclear warfare concerns. They largely ignore the equally important processes of conduction, convection and advection.

David A
Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 12:22 pm

Fred says, “CO2 also captures head from surrounding air molecules via conduction and radiates slightly more than 50% of that to space.”
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Very true. It appears logical that any GHG radiating to space conducted energy in the atmosphere will cool the atmosphere relative to encountering a non GHG molecule. Steven McIntyre a long time ago called for an engineering analysis on the physics of heat gain and loss throughout the atmosphere.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Richard111
February 26, 2016 6:41 am

Richard111,
You will hear words like “forcing” used in relation to the CO2 heat participation.
It is a vague term that is abused by the global warming promoters. I can’t find out any mathematical function that is a good transformation for that term.
Also just as CO2 molecules trap heat, so too do all the other substances in the atmosphere, like the other gases and especially water. There is a lot of water in the atmosphere. Way more than CO2 and the water contribution of heat absorption is ~100X that of CO2. The CAGW crowd like to ignore that.
CO2 like methane (CH4), discharges the energy into the atmosphere in wavelengths related to heating so that is why CO2 & Methane are referred to GHGs.
Energy Absorption Spectra of some gases:
(Note: what the gas emits is not the same as what it absorbs)
http://www.sas.rochester.edu/ees/fehnlab/ees215/fig16_5.jpg

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 11:08 am

Paul,
As a rule of thumb, a molecule that absorbs energy will re-radiate it at a longer wavelength.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Richard111
February 26, 2016 6:57 am

Richard111,
Many tutorials are propaganda mixed with science . Here is a good video in the form of a lecture ~80 minutes.

Richard111
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
February 26, 2016 9:57 am

Thank you for the video link Paul. Will have a good look after I’ve checked my data allowance. 🙂
And thanks for the familiar graph. My studies on the net tell me that there is a peak radiation appropriate to peak temperature. Take CO2, peak temperature at 223K (-50C), means CO2 is radiating over the whole 13 to 17 micron band. Yet CO2 in the tropopause must surely be much warmer than -50C, kinetic collisions with all the other atmospheric molecules, so how does CO2 absorb radiation from the surface over those bands? When the sun is shinning the 2.7 and 4.3 bands will be absorbing sunlight and warming the air but that absorbed energy does not warm the ground. I see CO2 as purely a coolant. So much to learn.

george e. smith
Reply to  Richard111
February 26, 2016 11:22 am

If you come up with a way to trap heat, patent it.
You will make a fortune from refrigeration companies and home builders, who would love to have the perfect thermal insulator material.
G

February 26, 2016 5:42 am

Unfortunately, eliminating fossil fuel use will probably not be successful in significantly reducing future temperature increases, even if it can be accomplished. . .

“Unfortunately”? No, fortunately. Warming is a Good Thing.
/Mr Lynn

David A
Reply to  L. E. Joiner
February 26, 2016 5:59 am

Yes, overall warming is a good thing, especially as it occurs mostly at night in the higher latitude regions of the NH. It is good for Canada and Russia for example. Small warming with increased CO2 is very good. Delaying the onset of an ice age may not be possible, but is off immense benefit. The benefits of CO2 are KNOWN and observed, the harms projected by WRONG IPCC models, are failing to materialize.

Reply to  L. E. Joiner
February 26, 2016 6:06 am

Warming is a Good Thing.
That is true and can not be said often enough.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  L. E. Joiner
February 26, 2016 11:12 am

LEJ,
One can always have too much of a good thing. 🙂 The point I was trying to make is that for those supporting COP-21, and who are prepared to force changes on us to ‘save the world,’ their efforts will probably be in vain.

David A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 8:58 pm

Not if the “forced change” is the goal, and not cooling the planet. “Post modern science”, another word for politicized science.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David A
February 26, 2016 9:05 pm

David,
Perhaps I have given you a data point to support your thesis that the goal is actually to force a change, and not to prevent heating of the planet.

David A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 27, 2016 4:48 am

Clyde says,
“If we were successful in completely phasing out fossil fuels over the next 100 years, we would have a reduction of 50% in average CO2 emissions. If the Earth is warming at a nominal rate of 1°C per 100 years from all influences, then we can hope, at best, for a reduction in temperature increase of 20% (0.54×0.75×0.50) or 0.20°C. That is to say, if the world were to phase out fossil fuels in the next 100 years the warming would be 0.80 degrees instead of 1.00°C!”
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Unfortunately nobody is likely to ever convince the Parris Blackbeard’s that their effort is purely political.
C. Monckton has already demonstrated, using their own inflated physics, that the efforts of the West will have zero practical affect on GAT. Many of the Parris Blackbeard’s openly admit their goal is political based, not science based.
National Post – 2009
… In the summer, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon insisted “we have four months to save the planet.”…
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Guardian – 3 November 2009
We only have months, not years, to save civilization from climate change
…….Lester R Brown is president of Earth Policy Institute and author of Plan B 4.0: Mobilizing to Save Civilization.
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WWF – 7 December 2009
12 days to save the planet!
…“The world has given a green light for a climate deal. But the commitments made so far won’t keep the world under 2° of warming, This has to change over the next 12 days. …
[WWF-UK’s head of climate change, Keith Allott]
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Guardian – 18 January 2009
‘We have only four years left to act on climate change – America has to lead’
Jim Hansen is the ‘grandfather of climate change’ and one of the world’s leading climatologists…..
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WWF – 7 December 2009
12 days to save the planet!
…“The world has given a green light for a climate deal. But the commitments made so far won’t keep the world under 2° of warming, This has to change over the next 12 days. …
[WWF-UK’s head of climate change, Keith Allott]
Of course all of the above drivel is a rinse wash and repeat of earlier climate doom…
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“Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of eco-refugees, threatening political chaos.” -Noel Brown, ex UNEP Director, 1989
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“[Inaction will cause]… by the turn of the century [2000], an ecological catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.” -Mustafa Tolba, 1982, former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program
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“Five years is all we have left if we are going to preserve any kind of quality in the world.” -Paul Ehrlich, Stanford Biologist, Earth Day 1970
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Political, not science…
“To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family, tradition, national patriotism and religious dogmas”…
“The re-interpretation and eventually eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training, the substitution of intelligent and rational thinking for faith in the certainties of old people, these are the belated objectives of practically all effective psychotherapy”. (Brock Chisholm, first Director General of the World Health Organization.
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”My three goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with its full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
David Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First
”A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
Ted Turner,
Founder of CNN and major UN donor
“[the United Nations could become] a comprehensive Planetary Regime which could control the distribution of all natural resources.. and all food on the international market.” -You guessed it, Our Science Czar John Holdren
”The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
Jeremy Rifkin,
Greenhouse Crisis Foundation
”Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”
“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations
on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.”
– Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
– Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University
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I should not have to convince anyone of my thesis, as it is plainly admitted to by what IMV are evil bastards.
Karl Popper; The logic of scientific discovery; Page 20
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… “it is always possible to find some way of evading falsification, for example by introducing ad hoc an auxiliary hypothesis, or by changing ad hoc a definition. It is even possible without logical inconsistency to adopt the position of simply refusing to acknowledge any falsifying experience whatsoever. Admittedly, scientists do not usually proceed in this way, but logically such procedure is possible.”
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This appears to me to be an exact description of fifty ways to explain the pause. (always said to the tune of fifty ways to leave your lover) followed by “simply refusing to acknowledge any falsifying experience whatsoever” (The latest NOAA surface record)

PiperPaul
February 26, 2016 5:58 am

What is always missing in news reports is an explanation of how tiny the CO2 concentration is in Earth’s atmosphere and at what point lowering the percentage of CO2 would start to shut down plant growth. That’s a far scarier scenario than whatever the doomers can come up with, scarier even than an asteroid strike.

Reply to  PiperPaul
February 26, 2016 7:28 am

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/30/carbon-and-carbonate/comment-page-1/#comment-2133597
“THE BIG WHIMPER”
[excerpt for PiperPaul]
I posted the following musings, starting on 30Jan2009.
My question: Am I correct is saying the following, and if so, approximately when will it happen?
“During an Ice Age, atmospheric CO2 concentrations drop to very low levels due to solution in cold oceans, etc. Below a certain atmospheric CO2 concentration, terrestrial photosynthesis slows and shuts down. I suppose life in the oceans can carry on but terrestrial life is done.
So when will this happen – in the next Ice Age a few thousand years hence, or the one after that ~100,000 years later, or the one after that?
In geologic time, we are talking the blink of an eye before terrestrial life on Earth ceases due to CO2 starvation.”
Regards, Allan
[excerpt]
I wrote the following on this subject on 18Dec2014, posted on Icecap.us:
On Climate Science, Global Cooling, Ice Ages and Geo-Engineering:
[excerpt]
Furthermore, increased atmospheric CO2 from whatever cause is clearly beneficial to humanity and the environment. Earth’s atmosphere is clearly CO2 deficient and continues to decline over geological time. In fact, atmospheric CO2 at this time is too low, dangerously low for the longer term survival of carbon-based life on Earth.
More Ice Ages, which are inevitable unless geo-engineering can prevent them, will cause atmospheric CO2 concentrations on Earth to decline to the point where photosynthesis slows and ultimately ceases. This would devastate the descendants of most current [terrestrial] life on Earth, which is carbon-based and to which, I suggest, we have a significant moral obligation.
Atmospheric and dissolved oceanic CO2 is the feedstock for all carbon-based life on Earth. More CO2 is better. Within reasonable limits, a lot more CO2 is a lot better.
As a devoted fan of carbon-based life on Earth, I feel it is my duty to advocate on our behalf. To be clear, I am not prejudiced against non-carbon-based life forms, but I really do not know any of them well enough to form an opinion. They could be very nice. 🙂
Best, Allan
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/#comment-79524
[excerpts from my post of 2009]
Questions and meanderings:
A. According to para.1 above:
During Ice ages, does almost all plant life die out as a result of some combination of lower temperatures and CO2 levels that fell below 200ppm (para. 2 above)? If not, why not? [updated revision – perhaps 150ppm not 200ppm?]
When all life on Earth comes to an end, will it be because CO2 permanently falls below 200ppm as it is permanently sequestered in carbonate rocks, hydrocarbons, coals, etc.?
Since life on Earth is likely to end due to a lack of CO2, should we be paying energy companies to burn fossil fuels to increase atmospheric CO2, instead of fining them due to the false belief that they cause global warming?
Could T.S. Eliot have been thinking about CO2 starvation when he wrote:
“This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.”
Regards, Allan 🙂

February 26, 2016 6:04 am

Another post where the commentary on the post is more understandable to me than the original post. The very high correlations are suspicious, and I suspect an artifact somewhere.

Alex
February 26, 2016 6:17 am

CO2 / Temperature. Chicken / egg. Not convinced

Paul Coppin
February 26, 2016 6:18 am

Man is providing additional areas from which water can evaporate.

This may be true, but is it significant? We live on a planet that the majority of the surface is covered with water. Is it likely that man’s contribution, based on scale factors alone, is anything more than a transient local effect? I do believe that UHI influences local weather patterns, and I do in fact believe that UHI can exacerbate the severity of local storms due to thermodynamic influence, but that the heat contribution cause no net change in the planet’s thermodynamic equilibrium.

ferdberple
Reply to  Paul Coppin
February 26, 2016 7:18 am

a transient local effect
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thermometers measure transient local effects. no thermometer yet invented measures global temperature, though there are dendroclimatologist that would have us believe that 1 tree can measure the global temperature.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Paul Coppin
February 26, 2016 11:18 am

Paul,
The effects of water vapor aren’t transient. They are continuous. While the water will probably precipitate out within a week, that may be enough time for the downwind plume to cover most of the continent.

David A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 12:13 pm

Yet there is no global increase in W/V. There is no correlation to CO2 except in the surface record. Neither the satellite or weather balloon data sets support this. The pristine station surface record of the US does not support the correlation to CO2, but does support the satellite and weather balloon data. One study (sorry, no reference) showed UHI occurring even in small towns. The entire surface record is in my view suspect.
The increasing divergence between the troposphere and the surface is not, per the physics articulated by the IPCC, related to CO2. The old global and NH data sets used to show a .35 global to .6 degree NH cooling from the 1940s peak to the 1979 ice age scare peak. That has been mostly erased, and the climate-gate emails documented the intent to do this. Continues .01 degree cooling of the past continue monthly, with zero explanation by NOAA! The same establishment that finds over 60 reasons for the pause, then attempts to erase it altogether, also attempted to erase the MWP, the Ice age scare cooling to the late 1970s, and altered the SL rise data to show an increase 100 percent not supported by the tide gauge record. The satellite data NOAA formally supported as the most accurate data set, they now disparage because it does not support their political agenda. I do not trust post normal CAGW science supported by billions from global governments attempting to tax the air we breath and to assume international control of national policy all in the name of “protection”.
“Such is the nature of the tyrant, when he first appears he is a protector” Plato.

Simon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 27, 2016 10:43 am

David A
“Yet there is no global increase in W/V.”
Wrong……
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Simon
February 27, 2016 11:06 am

Simon,
This is probably one of the most important contributions to this thread, or at least my thesis, that has been posted. Thank you for finding and posting it.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 27, 2016 11:44 am

Clyde Spencer,
David A is correct. The link Simon posted doesn’t show a rise in water vapor, much less the accelerating rise predicted by the CO2=AGW conjecture. The link says:
Increasing water vapor leads to warmer temperatures, which causes more water vapor to be absorbed into the air.
But there have been no warmer temperatures. Global warming stopped many years ago (and don’t confuse an anomaly – a variation from the average – as accelerated global warming). If the planet was truly getting warmer, then water vapor — humidity — would be increasing. QED
But humidity is not increasing. Both Relative Humidity and Specific Humidity have been declining for decades.
That is another fact in the increasing list of empirical evidence showing that the CO2=cAGW conjecture has been falsified — even though it only requires one example to falsify a conjecture or hypothesis.
Global precipitation is likewise not increasing, nor are extreme weather events, such as hurricanes, tornadoes, or death rates from extreme weather. None of those alarmist predictions have ever come true.
Everything we observe now has happened in the past, repeatedly, and to a much greater degree. There is nothing unusual happening. There is nothing unprecedented happening with global temperatures, as much as the alarmist crowd wishes there were.
In fact, we have been through more than a century of the most beneficial, benign, and pleasant global temperatures in the entire geologic record. Global T has fluctuated — no, it has wiggled by just 0.7ºC, over a century and a half. Rather than facing a climate catastrophe from runaway global warming, exactly the opposite has happened:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lPGChYUUeuc/VLhzJqwRhtI/AAAAAAAAAS4/ehDtihKNKIw/s1600/GISTemp%2BKelvin%2B01.png

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  dbstealey
February 27, 2016 2:22 pm

db,
Would you be willing to speculate on why the specific humidity has been declining for decades?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 28, 2016 4:01 pm

Clyde says:
Would you be willing to speculate on why the specific humidity has been declining for decades?
You want speculation? I’ve got speculation. Just maybe… the planet hasn’t been warming, as is endlessly reported.
When we’re being told that global T has risen by tenths, or hundredths of a degree over the past century, that is well within any error bars (within calibration tolerances). So we don’t actually know if global T has been rising or not. Do we?
What we have are real world observations. Humidity is one observation. It has been declining decade by decade. What would cause that? I’ve speculated. Your turn.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  dbstealey
February 28, 2016 4:46 pm

db,
I’m at a loss to explain it because, under the prevailing paradigm, I would have expected it to be increasing. Perhaps Mosher or Stokes can put a spin on it.

Shawn Marshall
February 26, 2016 6:20 am

no physics
just statistical speculation

EdB
Reply to  Shawn Marshall
February 26, 2016 6:30 am

The physics are in the models. The models have been running way too hot. Empirical data and statistics show this, not speculation.

george e. smith
Reply to  EdB
February 26, 2016 2:47 pm

might be physics in the models what is needed is the physics of a real rotating tilted planet not one bathed 24 hours day and night in one quarter sunshine
G

ferdberple
Reply to  Shawn Marshall
February 26, 2016 7:19 am

what I find interesting about the cause and effect argument is that early humans learned to predict the seasons long before they understood the cause.
yet modern humans cannot predict the climate but believe they understand the cause very well.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  ferdberple
February 27, 2016 8:26 pm

I understand your confusion. The temperature/humidity correlation cited by Simon, if correct, means that a single additional photon hitting the earth would cause one more molecule of water vapour to enter the atmosphere, resulting in runaway heating until all the oceans are boiled away. This is the inevitable result of a refusal to look for the negative feedbacks which any vaguely aware person must realize has to exist. Aka more heat = more evaporation= more condensation at altitude= more heat radiated back to space.

JohnWho
February 26, 2016 6:22 am

“This suggests that all anthropogenic influences may account for as much as 81% of the variance in the land temperatures.”
Just the land or the sea surface too?
Atmospheric CO2 might have a warming effect on the temperature, although it may not be discernable. Therefore, a complete halt in anthropogenic CO2 might not make any difference at all.

ulriclyons
February 26, 2016 6:25 am

” Man is providing additional areas from which water can evaporate.”
Drier northern hemisphere land would be warmer without any additional forcing.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  ulriclyons
February 26, 2016 11:31 am

ulriclyons,
Dry land would increase the daytime ground temperatures, but higher humidity would decrease radiative heat loss at night.

emsnews
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 11:47 am

I grew up in the desert Southwest. Yes, when you have 1% humidity, the minute the sun goes down, the chill sets in whereas where I lived in NYC, in summer, the sun set and we sweltered in high humidity nights especially if there was little coastal wind.

ulriclyons
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 26, 2016 1:37 pm

Agreed. Tmax cooled faster than Tmin through the last cold AMO phase (N.Hem faster), especially in the mid 1970’s with the multi year La Nina, with both increasing continental interior rainfall. And the N.Hem Tmax rises faster than the S.Hem Tmax from 1995 with the stronger warming phase of the AMO.
Graph from Willis’ post of 23 Feb 2016:comment image?w=960

ulriclyons
February 26, 2016 6:39 am

The lowering of water vapour altitude from the mid 1990’s with the warm AMO would increase low level greenhouse effect, and also increase the depth of penetration of solar near infrared into the atmosphere. The warm AMO from the mid 1990’s is in contradiction to AGW theory, as it was driven by increased negative NAO, while all the models predict increasingly positive NAO/AO with increased GHG forcing.
http://www.climate4you.com/images/NOAA%20ESRL%20AtmospericSpecificHumidity%20GlobalMonthlyTempSince1948%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif

george e. smith
Reply to  ulriclyons
February 26, 2016 2:50 pm

Cooling goes as 4th power of Temperature, ergo, highs cool faster than lows. What’s not to understand ??
G

bit chilly
Reply to  george e. smith
February 27, 2016 8:53 pm

yep, just look at the speed the north atlantic has cooled in the last year.

ShrNfr
February 26, 2016 6:45 am

On a short enough length of data, anyone can get all sorts of correlations. Some will actually even be real. The total population correlates well with the number of pints of beer consumed for instance. Under the theory that the consumption of beer per capital remains unchanged, the null hypothesis can be rejected with statistical significance. The question is one of finding a theory whose null hypothesis can be rejected with statistical significance over recorded history.

Reply to  ShrNfr
February 26, 2016 5:36 pm

The question is one of finding a theory whose null hypothesis can be rejected with statistical significance over recorded history.

In a complex system, without enough data, you can estimate what the null hypothesis is by using appropriately shaped random noise to get a confidence interval. This will work for complex systems with hidden variables (e.g. like global climate indicators).
See this example here where they determine that the ENSO signal is statistically significant using this method: http://paos.colorado.edu/research/wavelets/bams_79_01_0061.pdf
I’ve done an analysis on the much adjusted GISS global surface temperature data. At confidence level 80%, the trend in temperature trend is higher than random baseline wanderings. Note I have to estimate the wandering beyond the GISS sample interval because, well there’s no data there. In other words, in the frequency domain, I’m extrapolating what the noise floor is for frequencies below 1/135 years.
note that’s 80% confidence that there’s something more than baseline wandering noise. Not exactly high confidence.
Given there are potential multi-hundred year and thousand year natural cycles (not fully quantified, but some signals appear to be there), we simply don’t know how much low frequency noise there naturally should be in global temperature. Which is why to believe there’s a recent non-natural trend I’d want 99% confidence level, which we don’t have.
Peter

David A
Reply to  Peter Sable
February 26, 2016 9:12 pm

Peter you say 80% confidence based on GISS surface record, assuming it is how accurate and on what baseline, as the GISS baseline years may remain the same, but the past T is continuously changing?
What if you incorporate the plus 20% (global, more in the tropics) above the expected (not the observed) surface warming, predicted for the troposphere, with the satellite record showing that not only is the troposphere not warming 20 percent more then the surface, it is not warming at all for the past 18 years, and only has warmed about 30% of the expected rate?
Does the confidence then drop below 50%

Reply to  Peter Sable
February 27, 2016 1:19 pm

Peter you say 80% confidence based on GISS surface record, assuming it is how accurate and on what baseline, as the GISS baseline years may remain the same, but the past T is continuously changing?

caveat emptor. That’s why I think the confidence level needs to be far higher than 80%, because the data is manipulated and has large error bars even if it wasn’t manipulated.

it is not warming at all for the past 18 years, and only has warmed about 30% of the expected rate?

I ran it since 1945, hoping that would smooth out PDO/AMO etc. The trend still goes up.
I think 18 years is a pretty small interval to make a judgement on. I also think 70 years is too small. Be happy with several hundred years.

David A
Reply to  Peter Sable
February 27, 2016 9:36 pm

I do not disagree with your time line or comments Peter, just one clarification. The observations showing actual tropospheric warming to be only about 33% of the IPCC projected warming are based on 36 years of satellite record. To really have an accurate idea of most of the climate forcing’s may well take several hundred years of honest and consistent scientific observation, but to discredit CAGW theory one only needs to debunk their internal and published projections per their own timelines. It is not required that we even understand why they are wrong. A strong La Nina should about do that to all but the priests.

Scott
February 26, 2016 6:49 am

“Man is providing more areas from which water can evaporate”
Perhaps this is true at the macro level, but at the micro level where temperature is monitored, it seems to me that man is providing less areas from which water can evaporate. Everybody’s yards are sloped or drain tiled to push water into storm sewers, same thing for roads and trails, impervious surfaces such as asphalt and concrete and brick don’t evaporate water, swamps are being constantly drained for new building locations, fields are drain tiled to remove standing water, creeks prone to flooding have been pushed underground into storm sewers. Not to mention lakes that have been completely drained for irrigation. And when there is less water to evaporate, the air temperature at the monitoring station is much higher because 50% of the suns energy goes into phase changing water to vapor (no temperature change).

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Scott
February 26, 2016 11:40 am

Scott,
If you remove standing water for agriculture, and then provide metered water for the plants during the growing season, the evapotranspiration would seem to be a direct tradeoff for the former evaporation. So, there is no net loss. what is new is hot impervious surfaces of urban areas that can flash evaporate water before it runs off, and reservoirs and irrigation of formerly unproductive land, and the tapping of aquifers bringing water to the surface of arid regions. I don’t think that there are any definitive quantitative studies.

February 26, 2016 6:53 am

Professor Murry Salby’s theory shows that the CO2 is the trailing consequence of temperature and that the ratios of the two main isotopes of CO2 prove that most of it originates in the organic biosphere.
see:

Reply to  buckwheaton
February 26, 2016 9:29 am

Sorry, but Dr. Salby is completely wrong on several points: CO2 variability is trailing temperature variability, but CO2 increase is near independent of temperature: it follows human emissions at a rate of around 50%.
By integrating temperature he assumes that temperature is the only driver of CO2 levels, but as near all variability is the response of (tropical) vegetation on temperature, but vegetation is a net sink for CO2, thus not the cause of the increase… As CO2 uptake by plants is preferentially 12CO2, that would increase the 13C/12C ratio in the atmosphere, but we see a sharp decline, caused by burning fossil fuels. Again he is completely wrong in his interpretation…

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 26, 2016 10:04 am

Nonsense. This is all narrative cant.

Hugs
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 26, 2016 10:57 am

No, it’s sense. But don’t stop, somebody in the Internet disagrees.

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 27, 2016 12:39 am

“Salby’s argument has not been refuted by anybody”
Well, apparently similar arguments have been refuted many times. They fail dismally on mass balance. Bart airily tells us that mass balance is irrelevant. But it isn’t. It’s essential.
But yes, it’s possible that Salby’s exact arguments haven’t been refuted. That’s because he won’t write them down. It’s hard to deal quantitatively with a video or podcast. If he won’t produce a written account, why can’t one of his followers produce an authorised version?

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 27, 2016 10:13 am

Nick Stokes February 27, 2016 at 12:39 am
“But it isn’t. It’s essential”
I had thought more highly of you previously, Nick. Any undergraduate controls student could tear apart the pseudo-mass balance argument without blinking. It is a very stupid argument.

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 27, 2016 10:52 am

Ferdinand, how do you account for the fact there is no lag between the hemispheres for CO2 rise. About 95% of anthro CO2 is emitted in the northern hemisphere, and we no from the nuclear test ban treaty it takes at least six months for any increase in CO2 in one hemisphere to equilibrate in the the other, yet when the residuals of the seasonal variability over the period of increasing CO2 are compared there is no lag. This is comparing Mauna Loa with the Antarctic CO2 readings, so it’s not exactly like for like, but don’t you think the lack of a lag is curious?

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 27, 2016 12:31 pm

agnostic2015,
The story of no lag comes from Tom Quirk in E&E. What he did is comparing the seasonal changes between several stations in the NH and the SH and he concluded that there was no lag between them. But he forgot that there is no visible lag in the seasonal data if you shift the data a multiple of 12 months (and 6 months between NH and SH)…
The CO2 and δ13C changes are huge and vary between +/- 1 ppmv at the South pole and +/- 8 ppmv at Barrow. The timing of these changes is temperature induced, but as that is a rather fixed cycle, there is little change over the seasons, despite the huge increase over the past decades. Here for CO2 at Mauna Loa and Barrow. split in two periods:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_CO2_MLO_BRW.jpg
The same for the δ13C measurements:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_d13C_MLO_BRW.jpg
The relative timing of the seasonal changes only shows where the cause is: near ground and by vegetation, as the CO2 and δ13C are opposite to each other. The SH variations are much smaller and opposite to the NH. That says next to nothing about the cause of the increase in the atmosphere, which is visible in the small change at the end of the full cycle.
If one looks at the yearly average trends, not the seasonal, it is clear that the cause is in the NH as CO2 (and δ13C) in the SH lags the NH:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/co2_trends_1995_2004.jpg
There is a 6 months lag between near sea level stations (Barrow, Samoa) and altitude stations like Mauna Loa and the South Pole and a lag of ~12 months between NH and SH for the same altitude…
We (Jack Barrett and me) have written an article in E&E as reaction on the work of Tom Quirk…

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 27, 2016 3:29 pm

” But he forgot that there is no visible lag in the seasonal data if you shift the data a multiple of 12 months (and 6 months between NH and SH)…”
Ferdinand, this does not make any sense. What did he forget? Why do you need to shift the data a multiple of 12 months, and why 6 months between NH and SH? I presume “6 months” relates to the seasons, but it’s not clear why.
Incidentally I am quite willing to believe you but your arguments thus far have not been convincing. I am trying to get to the bottom what is clearly a complex issue, and I can see the problems in the mass balance argument. I don’t know that it doesn’t ultimately come to the same thing (that man is responsible for the rise in CO2).
Your argument seems to revolve around the uptake of an oxygen isotope, but it’s not clear how. I read your posts carefully but they are confusing. It seems you are assuming things to be true that I can’t see a justification for, and assuming the reader knows something they don’t necessarily know. The Tom Quirk argument for example….what do you mean he “forgot”. The calculation as I have seen it is relatively simple. Is there a lag in the increase in CO2 when seasonal variability is taken into account or not?

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 28, 2016 2:40 pm

agnostic2015,
Sorry that I was not clear enough…
you wrote:
Ferdinand, how do you account for the fact there is no lag between the hemispheres for CO2 rise.
The first time that argument was used, was by Tom Quirk, who said that there was no lag between the hemispheres if you compare the timing of the seasons, which is a non-argument, as the seasons always follow about the same timing, whatever the lag in rise…
It seems that your remark is not based on Tom Quirk’s argument, which gives a lot of confusion, so we have to go back to the third graph in my previous reply: the CO2 trends.
4 stations were plotted 1995-2004 (that was used some time ago, but recent years show the same differences), from near the North Pole to the South Pole. The CO2 increase is visible in the most Nordic station first and needs about 6 months to reach the same level at Mauna Loa at 3,400 m height, 12 months to reach Samoa at sea level in the SH and near 2 years to reach the South Pole at ~3,000 m height.
From these lags it is clear that the source of the CO2 increase is in the NH at ground level…
when the residuals of the seasonal variability over the period of increasing CO2 are compared there is no lag.
Between Mauna Loa and the South Pole there is a lag of ~18 months in CO2 levels. By looking at the residuals, you have effectively removed the difference in level, where the real lag is…
If you plot the real trends of Mauna Loa and South Pole over the full period of measurements, it is clear that even the difference in residuals is widening:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/acc_co2_1960_cur.jpg
CO2 at Mauna Lao is average 55.8% of human emissions.
CO2 at South Pole is average 53.8% of human emissions.
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A similar graph of δ13C shows similar trends, but downwards. The CO2 and δ13C trends together prove that the CO2 source is at ground level in the NH and has a low 13C/12C ratio.
The oceans can be excluded as source, as their 13C/12C ratio is higher than of the atmosphere and one would expect the main source in the SH.
The biosphere as a whole can be excluded as source, as that is a proven net sink for CO2 and thus increases the δ13C level.
Human emissions fulfill the location of the source (90% emissions are in the NH), the amounts (twice the measured increase) and the change in δ13C (triple the observed change if all human CO2 would remain in the atmosphere).

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 28, 2016 3:32 pm

Ferdinand,
I guess I’m missing something here. I would expect that most anthropogenic CO2 would be emitted nominally at about 45 deg lat. N, and then diffuse both N and S. Why would it show up first and at greatest concentrations at 71 deg lat N? Particularly, since the cold northern oceans are a more efficient carbon sink than the lower latitudes?

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 28, 2016 3:03 pm

Seriously Ferdinand, I am not being funny but your reply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You might be right but I absolutely cannot tell. I have read your reply a dozen times and it’s worse than your other ones. Please, for gods sake just forget for the time being the anthro component and examine whether there is a lag between the hemispheres.
“It seems that your remark is not based on Tom Quirk’s argument, which gives a lot of confusion,”
It doesn’t matter who made the remark.nit matters whether it is true or not.
“The CO2 increase is visible in the most Nordic station first and needs about 6 months to reach the same level at Mauna Loa at 3,400 m height, 12 months to reach Samoa at sea level in the SH and near 2 years to reach the South Pole at ~3,000 m height.”
Where does it show this? You have shown trended graphs and I can’t identify which from what. Your following commentary doesn’t explain the graphs at all. You need to show how detrended CO2 variability shows no correlation with spikes and troughs in both hemispheres at the same time, and show that year to year variations in the rate of change is lead by the NH and not concurrent.
I can’t make head nor tail of your graphs, comments, how they relate to each other. Honestly, I don’t think it’s that hard. I really want to know for sure if you have a genuine point – that you are right or possibly right. I can’t even tell if your wrong. As it is it’s nagging me that you are obfuscating the point with your explanations. Please, I beg you, nice and clear.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  agnostic2015
February 28, 2016 3:38 pm

Agnostic,
I too am having trouble seeing how Ferdinands CO2 graph makes the point. It it also troubling because it was one of the first serious criticisms of my post that helped convince Anthony that I had some “errors” that needed to be corrected. I think that it is in serious need of additional explanation or supplementation.

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 29, 2016 7:38 am

agnostic2015 and Clyde,
I am quite surprised that the CO2 trends are not self explaining that the SH lags the NH… Probably the generation after me which did grow up with the “all” explaining frequency analysis?
You need to show how detrended CO2 variability shows no correlation with spikes and troughs in both hemispheres at the same time, and show that year to year variations in the rate of change is lead by the NH and not concurrent.
That nails the problem: if you detrend the graphs you have removed (most) of the lags! There is no “must” for the spikes and troughs to be synchronized – or lagged – between the hemispheres as that is only visible if there are large variations in the unknown source. If that source shows no/little variability and a constant increase, there is nothing to synchronize…
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If there is no extra release of CO2 anywhere, there is no trend in any of the CO2 stations anywhere.
The main variability then is from the seasonal changes, largely caused by temperature and largely a response of NH vegetation on temperature over the seasons. See graph 1 and 2 of my first response.
In that case the residual after a full seasonal cycle of 12 months is near zero every year.
Besides that there is a year by year variability which is situated mainly in the tropics, again a reaction of vegetation on temperature, but opposite to the seasonal variability, but that too levels out to near zero in 1-3 years.
That visible as a variability of +/- 1.5 ppmv around the trend of +80 ppmv in the past 55 years. The trend is not caused by vegetation, which is a net sink for CO2. Thus it makes no sense to look at the synchronization of the variability to know the origin of the trends…
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If there is a continuous increasing extra release of CO2 anywhere (volcanoes, humans), which is larger than the sink capacity of nature, the trend would go up, starting at the point nearest to the points or areas of emissions.
With one caveat: not all areas are covered and some sources are in air flows which spread the emissions in specific directions, which are then seemingly first. That is e,g, the case for Barrow, which receives its CO2 levels mostly from the mid-latitudes via the Ferrel cells. Thus the source is in fact several thousands km from the measurement place. Nevertheless, if one uses local measurements from e.g. tall towers, the sources (and seasonally sinks) are clear.
The regional increase of CO2 needs time to mix in the bulk of the atmosphere, mostly by latitude, partly by altitude and the ITCZ makes a strong barrier which allows only about 10% of air exchange between NH and SH.
That is visible in the fact that the same level of CO2 is reached after Barrow in graph 3 at average 6 months later in Mauna Loa, 18 months later at Samoa and 24 months later at the South Pole. Even so the lags are highly variable from year to year, depending of regional and hemispheric sinks and sources besides the origin of the increase…

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
March 2, 2016 2:48 pm

agnostic2015 and Clyde,
There is a nice animation from NOAA about CO2 levels since 1959 (and extended to 800,000 years from ice cores), which shows that the NH CO2 is seasonally far more variable, but in average higher before the SH. That is based on a growing number of stations:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
March 2, 2016 6:32 pm

Ferdinand,
Starting about 1995 at approximately 45N, there are some transient spikes that I would speculate are forest fires. However, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that these pulses are diffused north and south.

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
March 3, 2016 7:50 am

Clyde,
There are several land bases stations (tall towers?) involved, if you look at the adjacent map, which may detect the spikes, certainly if these are from forest fires. But as these still are in the non-well-mixed atmosphere (the first few hundred meters over land), they don’t measure real “background” CO2. As the mass of air in the first few hundred meters over land is less than 5% of total air mass, one need a lot of burning to get that visible after mixing into the bulk of the atmosphere.
Still neighboring stations show some similar behavior with the largest spikes…

Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
March 3, 2016 8:09 am

Bartemis February 27, 2016 at 10:13 am
Nick Stokes February 27, 2016 at 12:39 am
“But it isn’t. It’s essential”
I had thought more highly of you previously, Nick. Any undergraduate controls student could tear apart the pseudo-mass balance argument without blinking. It is a very stupid argument.

But any undergraduate chemical engineer or reaction kineticist will show them the error of their ways!
The Mass Balance equation which applies is:
dCO2/dt= Ffossilfuel + Fsources(T, pCO2) – Fsinks(T, pCO2)
where Fx is the flux of CO2 due to x.

Scott
Reply to  buckwheaton
February 26, 2016 2:44 pm

I like it, makes sense, I’m a big Salby fan now.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Scott
February 26, 2016 4:11 pm

Yes, indeed Scott, and me, too. If one listens to Dr. Salby’s Hamburg lecture with an open mind and careful attention, his analysis showing that CO2 lags temperature by 90 deg. (i.e., a quarter cycle) is highly persuasive. Also, his analysis of C13 and C12 is excellent. Mr. Englebeen disagrees with Salby, but Englebeen has never refuted him.
*************
Re: Hugs
1. Your pretend name is achieving the effect you intended if you meant to elicit mild disgust.
2. In case you didn’t realize it, Bartemis’ “Nonsense” was directed at Englebeen, not at Salby.

Reply to  Scott
February 26, 2016 4:15 pm

“Mr. Englebeen disagrees with Salby, but Englebeen has never refuted him.”
He has, many times. And at least Ferdinand puts it in writing.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Scott
February 26, 2016 5:25 pm

N1ck St0kes: Englebeen has tried to refute Salby many times.

Reply to  Scott
February 26, 2016 11:45 pm

Janice Moore:
You rightly say

Englebeen has tried to refute Salby many times.

and, of course, Salby’s argument has not been refuted by anybody.
We had earlier considered the same matters and concluded that a ‘natural’ cause is more likely than an ‘anthropogenic’ (i.e. man-made) cause for the the observed rise in atmospheric CO2 although but neither a ‘natural’ or an anthropogenic cause can be identified with certainty
(ref. Rorsch A, Courtney RS & Thoenes D, ‘The Interaction of Climate Change and the Carbon Dioxide Cycle’ E&E v16no2 (2005) ).
Importantly, our paper concluded that the mechanism of the atmospheric CO2 rise is very, very likely NOT the anthropogenic CO2 emission overloading the sinks for CO2. The IPCC and Engelbeen promote this possible mechanism as being the cause of the rise.
There is still insufficient data for absolute certainty, but the recently obtained OCO-2 data strongly indicates that the mechanism of the atmospheric CO2 rise is NOT the anthropogenic CO2 emission overloading the sinks for CO2.
Hence, evidence continues to mount that explanations for the atmospheric CO2 rise promoted by e.g. the IPCC and Engelbeen are wrong. This does not mean that explanations for the rise provided by Rorsch et al. or Salby are right but it does add to the probability they are right.
Richard

Reply to  Scott
February 27, 2016 5:04 am

Scott and Janice,
Dr. Salby made several fundamental errors in his lecture, where I was in London a few years ago. When I asked him about that after his lecture, he was simply evading the questions and never answered them there, or here or anywhere where my objections were written and his lecture was discussed.
He promised years ago to publish his findings in the peer reviewed literature, but not even on the Internet there is anything from him where one can review and comment on what he wrote…
Basically, about the integration of temperature: the variability of the CO2 rate of change follows the variability of temperature with an about pi/2 lag.
It is proven from the opposite δ13C changes that most of the variability in CO2 rate of change is caused by the response of (tropical) vegetation to temperature (Pinatubo, El Niño). Thus if you integrate the variability, and only the variability, you have the influence of temperature on CO2 levels caused by vegetation. That is in fact negative: vegetation is a net, proven, increasing sink for CO2. The earth is greening.
I have again listed to a part of the above (Hamburg?) lecture. He has a few new items, I didn’t hear before, like introducing the “thermally induced CO2”, which is simply the CO2 increase caused by increasing temperatures. That matches the increase in the atmosphere in the satellite era, if you take the right fudge factor. No mention of Henry’s law which is the real factor…
He then uses the fudge factor to (back)calculate the natural and human contribution at around 15 minutes.
At just over 20 minutes, he makes an enormous (new?) blunder by mixing up the residence time with the decay rate of an excess amount of CO2 above equilibrium. Unbelievable! Sorry, but if you don’t know the difference between residence time (which in itself doesn’t change the CO2 content of the atmosphere with one gram) and the excess decay rate, what then is the value of the rest of his story?
His analyses of the 13C/12C ratio (from another lecture) was completely wrong: there are only two main sources of low-13C on earth: recent organics and fossil organics. recent organics (the biosphere as a whole) is a net sink for preferentially 12CO2, thus relatively increases the 13C/12C ratio in the atmosphere and thus not the cause of the CO2 increase or the 13C/12C ratio decline…
Thus sorry, Dr. Salby may be good in his own field, but about the cause of the CO2 increase he is way off reality…

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
February 27, 2016 8:57 am

Ferdinand,
When carbonate-fixing organisms create shells, which ultimately fall to the ocean floor to create limestone, do they likewise create low-13C? If so, then weathering, surface limestones should be adding low-13C to the carbonate/bicarbonate ions in the ocean, which when out-gassing occurs, should have low-13C.

Reply to  Scott
February 27, 2016 5:15 am

Richard,
Again,
One can fit the increase of CO2 mathematically with a lot of theoretical variations: from near 100% natural to near 100% anthropogenic. What counts is if any such theory fits all observations, without violating one of them.
Human emissions fits all observations and fits the main increase (even twice), but doesn’t fit the (small)variability around the trend. Temperature fits the variability, but doesn’t fit the increase, as the variability is from the biosphere, which is a net sink for CO2 and the oceans on the other side have a too high 13C/12C ratio to be the cause.
Thus humans are responsible for most of the increase and temperature variability is responsible for most of the CO2 variability in rate of change.
If you find some natural cause that does fit all observations and accounts for the disappearing of all human contributions, then we can have a discussion, until then it is just words without any base in reality…

Reply to  Scott
February 27, 2016 6:28 am

Ferdinand:
You say to me

If you find some natural cause that does fit all observations and accounts for the disappearing of all human contributions, then we can have a discussion, until then it is just words without any base in reality…

Firstly, the human emissions of CO2 do NOT “disappear” they become part of the total CO2 circulating in the carbon cycle. And the human emission is a trivially small addition to that total.
A redistribution of the CO2 between ‘compartments’ of the carbon cycle would provide the observed rise in atmospheric CO2 contribution, and such a redistribution would result from an alteration of the equilibrium state of the carbon cycle system. Some processes of the system are very slow with rate constants of years and decades and, therefore, the system takes decades to fully adjust to a new equilibrium. The most likely cause of such a change to the equilibrium is the rise in global temperature over recent centuries which is recovery from the Little Ice Age. However, it is possible (although very unlikely) that the human emissions of CO2 has altered the equilibrium.
The suggested alteration to the equilibrium state of the carbon cycle is the ONLY explanation that fits all observations. This IS reality.
You know this is reality but you refuse to acknowledge it, and until you do acknowledge reality there is no possibility of discussing it with you.
Richard

Reply to  Scott
February 27, 2016 12:53 pm

Clyde Spencer,
Carbonate shells are formed by coccoliths directly from bicarbonates in the surface seawater and have about the same δ13C level as the surface layer, which is about zero per mil to slightly positive, like most carbonate layers on earth are… The organics of the coccoliths have a much lower δ13C level, which makes that there is a small difference of 1-2 per mil between deep ocean waters (where the organics decompose) and surface waters (Where they take their preferred 12CO2).
In general one can say that inorganic carbon is mostly around zero per mil δ13C, including subduction volcanoes where carbonate rock is decomposed and its CO2 emitted.
Organic carbon in general is (much) lower in δ13C, depending or the mechanism used by the different species. Varying between -10 (C4 pathway) to -40 per mil (natural gas) and below.
The atmosphere was in between at -6.4 per mil (pre-industrial) to nowadays below -8 per mil.
Deep magma volcanoes are slightly above atmosphere for their per mil.
In the pre-industrial past there was an equilibrium between (deep) ocean, the biosphere, sedimentation, rock weathering and atmosphere for the δ13C in the atmosphere; only a few tenths of a per mil between glacial and interglacial periods, and +/- 0.2 per mil all over the Holocene. That changed drastically when humans started to burn fossil fuels, here measured in coralline sponges:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/sponges.jpg

ferdberple
February 26, 2016 7:01 am

As I recall, BEST compared city size to temperature. It did not consider the rate of change of city size, which was a reason their paper was rejected.
The argument being that it is the growth of cities that causes the rise in temperature, not the absolute size of cities. So if you are looking for correlation, you need to also check derivatives and integrals.

GoatGuy
February 26, 2016 7:05 am

[1] R² … can be misleading
Until basically a few weeks ago (in other words, for nearly 40 years), I have been under the misguided idea that R² or ‘R squared’ is a good, universal metric for how closely a bunch of data is “fitted” by the slope and intercept that is computed from it statistically.
However, R² has a deep flaw: when slope approaches zero, R² also approaches zero; one can view this trivially in Excel by having one column of increasing digits (1, 2, 3, … 99, 100), and the column next to it with a well-behaved random number picker (use formula ‘=rand() /100+0.5’, which you can copy-paste!). Then, in separate cells, use the =slope(…) and =intercept(…) and =RSQ(…) functions on your X’s and Y columns. Surprise, surprise … the R² is quite low. Ranges from 0.1 to 0.01 for 100 data points.
Now, change the random-picker formula to ‘=rand()/100+a1/10’ (assuming the counting sequence is in column A.) You won’t have to change the slope / intercept / R² formulæ.
Sure enough, now R² is like 0.99 or so.
If you were to plot it, you, I, anyone would see that the randomness is visually nearly the same, the only difference being that the 2nd random-picker formula also has a nice straight-line slope upward, too. Thing is, R² implies a really good fit, whereas in the first case, it implied a really poor fit.
REMEMBER THIS. It is important when reviewing statistical fits, especially of data which hardly varies around a ‘slopeless’ mean.
[2] The coefficients on those X and X² curve-fits can’t be 0.000
This is more of a typo alert. I can see what happened: your X is population, which is in billions. The ax² + bx + c formula is going to have really, really small coefficients for {a} and {b}. Perhaps it would have been better to divide population by 1,000,000,000 first?
[3] Oh, but for the data linkie!
So one thing is pretty clear: the link between CO₂ doubling (which is why y’all used log₂ scale) and mean temperature rise is OK-to-good (if we believe the R² = 0.564 having the indicative correlative value), and would seem to hold out hope that a world of countries that either consciously or innately edge toward zero population growth will also cap temperature rise, is possible.
But … as others here are fond of reminding, correlation is not causation. The truth is rather starkly contrary here: the population of the planet has risen with all sorts of seemingly correlated (and probably causal) cofactors. As a few wags here have already cited, population rise could be correlated to the average drop in tooth decay afforded by toothbrushes and paste. It could be correlated to the gross tonnage of plastic manufactured, or the decline in lead used in plumbing. It could be correlated to the average computational power per adult, or the mean range of grit sizes that one finds in commercially milled wheat flour.
The point is, it very probably is not actually caused by those factors.
But it may well be shown ’caused’ by the world’s increase in petrochemicals, increased per-capita use and availability of the “products of energy-intense processes”. Automotive vehicles replacing donkey carts. Municipally plumbed filtered and chlorinated water. Municipally maintained trash, sewerage, paved roads and street-maintenance services.
And that’s the point: that if one really wishes to do high quality scientific-statistical projections, the matrix of causality needs to be fleshed out, that the various cofactors correlated, and demonstrated to back-cast the relative fecundity, prosperity and growth curves of entire regions, clades of peoples, and the planet.
Because if THAT is done, then there really might be some value to putting stock in such systems to propose likely human civilization dynamics in the future. Which, from the other statistics, would then lead us to believe projections about future CO₂ levels, future tropospheric warming, future sea-level rise or fall.
UNFORTUNATELY … such modeling is far, far beyond what most people which to harangue about. Most people – and yes, I’m pointing a finger both at me and many of you – most people want to take 3 to 5 variable correlations and trumpet them around a la Al Gore, and declare that the world is either coming to an end, or is entirely OK, or that no one knows, or that all good scientists agree, and so on.
Which leads me to wonder … is there any body which has yet really put together a comprehensive cross-correlation of the known correlative and causal factors? Maybe this is waiting for the A.I. singularity?
GoatGuy

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  GoatGuy
February 26, 2016 11:47 am

Goatguy,
Yes, you are correct that the coefficients of the regression line are not zero. They are just rounded off. The important part of the graph was the scatter and how it relates to population and the dependent variables. I could have left it off, but the y-intercept carries some useful information. I’m not sure to what use you would put the entire regression equation so that you really need the coefficients. I can provide them if you like.

george e. smith
Reply to  GoatGuy
February 26, 2016 2:59 pm

numerical origami is what you’ve got. Not predictive of anything.
Prediction is about real numbers that you DON’T HAVE.
Can’t do any sort of statistics on numbers you DON’T HAVE.
Can’t predict anything from statistics; it’s all about numbers in a data set, you already have exact values for.
G

February 26, 2016 7:15 am

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/15/are-jagdish-shukla-and-the-rico20-guilty-of-racketeering/#comment-2051188
[excerpt]
We have a full-scale test of the hypothesis occurring right now on this planet – I suggest that is more meaningful and more accurate than the physical arguments. While fossil fuel combustion and atmospheric CO2 both increased strongly since about the 1940’s, global temperatures decreased from ~1940 to ~1975, increased to ~2000 and has been flat since – so there is a negative correlation of temperature with CO2, a positive one, and a zero one.
The evidence suggests that near-zero is the correct answer – CO2 is NOT significant driver of global temperatures. The alleged global warming crisis does not exist.
Furthermore, please note that atmospheric CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales, and consider the implications of this reality..
A few more thoughts below: Climate heresy now, but conventional wisdom in 10-20 years.
Regards, Allan 🙂
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/13/presentation-of-evidence-suggesting-temperature-drives-atmospheric-co2-more-than-co2-drives-temperature/
Observations and Conclusions:
1. Temperature, among other factors, drives atmospheric CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature. The rate of change dCO2/dt is closely correlated with temperature and thus atmospheric CO2 LAGS temperature by ~9 months in the modern data record
2. CO2 also lags temperature by ~~800 years in the ice core record, on a longer time scale.
3. Atmospheric CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales.
4. CO2 is the feedstock for carbon-based life on Earth, and Earth’s atmosphere and oceans are clearly CO2-deficient. CO2 abatement and sequestration schemes are nonsense.
5. Based on the evidence, Earth’s climate is insensitive to increased atmospheric CO2 – there is no global warming crisis.
6. Recent global warming was natural and irregularly cyclical – the next climate phase following the ~20 year pause will probably be global cooling, starting by ~2020 or sooner.
7. Adaptation is clearly the best approach to deal with the moderate global warming and cooling experienced in recent centuries.
8. Cool and cold weather kills many more people than warm or hot weather, even in warm climates. There are about 100,000 Excess Winter Deaths every year in the USA and about 10,000 in Canada.
9. Green energy schemes have needlessly driven up energy costs, reduced electrical grid reliability and contributed to increased winter mortality, which especially targets the elderly and the poor.
10. Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of modern society. When misguided politicians fool with energy systems, real people suffer and die. That is the tragic legacy of false global warming alarmism.
Allan MacRae, Calgary, June 12, 2015

Reply to  Allan MacRae
February 26, 2016 7:53 am

Allan MacRae … at 7:15 am …
Furthermore, please note that atmospheric CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales…

And that lag is what, about 800 years? And what happened 800 years ago?
Can you say The Medieval Warm Period?

Reply to  Steve Case
February 26, 2016 5:57 pm

There is no historical precedent for such a large dppm/dt (really the slew rate of concentration) in the history of C02 with a lag of 800 years. Sorry, this C02 is anthropogenic. However its correlation with temperature is likely spurious.

Neo
Reply to  Steve Case
February 26, 2016 8:22 pm

The 800 year lag makes more sense if you consider CO2 to be an effect, rather than a cause.
The 800 years may be the recovery period of the Earth, when the CO2 indicates an increase in life.

Reply to  Steve Case
February 29, 2016 7:48 am

Neo,
The CO2 levels during the Roman WP, Medieval period and many other warmer periods than today were 280-300 ppmv. Now are near 400 ppmv… Here in the Law Dome ice core: ~8 ppmv drop between MWP and LIA cooling, 110 ppmv increase since the LIA for less to equal warming?
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/law_dome_1000yr.jpg

indefatigablefrog
February 26, 2016 8:07 am

25 years ago, a couple of friends from university went off into the world of finance.
Sure – they were going to be earning shed-loads of cash. BUT – I consoled myself – they faced a destiny of sitting for long hours at a computer screen looking at impenetrable graphs and charts, trying to perceive meaningful trends and correlations.
I went off into the world, and decided to primarily take an interest in the environment and renewable energy.
And, let’s not forget, I was going to save the world.
Except that I now realize that the people of the world only need saving from misguided policy makers who would seek to obstruct the activities of big-finance and free-market energy provision.
So, I’ve ended up as part of an effort to save the world from the profiteers of doom.
Well – I sure feel like the world’s biggest loser now!!!
So all that I get is a computer terminal and all of the graphs and maths, but none of the money, cocaine and high class call-girls.
Yeah, lucky me…

Neo
February 26, 2016 8:28 am

So Morpheus was right, we are not only all batteries, but warm batteries at that.

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