Seth Borenstein: "Man-made heat put in oceans has doubled since 1997"

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Borenstein

WASHINGTON (AP) — The amount of man-made heat energy absorbed by the seas has doubled since 1997, a study released Monday showed.

Scientists have long known that more than 90 percent of the heat energy from man-made global warming goes into the world’s oceans instead of the ground. And they’ve seen ocean heat content rise in recent years. But the new study, using ocean-observing data that goes back to the British research ship Challenger in the 1870s and including high-tech modern underwater monitors and computer models, tracked how much man-made heat has been buried in the oceans in the past 150 years.

The world’s oceans absorbed approximately 150 zettajoules of energy from 1865 to 1997, and then absorbed about another 150 in the next 18 years, according to a study published Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

To put that in perspective, if you exploded one atomic bomb the size of the one that dropped on Hiroshima every second for a year, the total energy released would be 2 zettajoules. So since 1997, Earth’s oceans have absorbed man-made heat energy equivalent to a Hiroshima-style bomb being exploded every second for 75 straight years.

“The changes we’re talking about, they are really, really big numbers,” said study co-author Paul Durack, an oceanographer at the Lawrence Livermore National Lab in California. “They are nonhuman numbers.”

Because there are decades when good data wasn’t available and computer simulations are involved, the overall figures are rough but still are reliable, the study’s authors said. Most of the added heat has been trapped in the upper 2,300 feet, but with every year the deeper oceans also are absorbing more energy, they said.

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AP

 

WTF is “man-made heat”???

The source of Mr. Borenstein’s latest exercise in scientific illiteracy is this paper

OHC

On what planet is “ocean heat content” synonymous with “man-made heat”?

Even if, the rise in ocean heat content was entirely due to the rise in atmospheric CO2, the “heat” wouldn’t be “man-made.”

Ocean heat content is measured in joules, usually expressed as gazillions of joules  (J).  It takes 4.186 J to raise the temperature of 1 g of water 1 °C.  Since the oceans are composed of a rather large volume of water, it takes a lot of joules to warm it just a little bit.  Without a rather large heat content, the oceans would be frozen solid.

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Sargasso Sea SST (Keigwin, 1996) compared to instrumental SST record.  How many gazillions of joules were gained and lost from 1200 BC through 1850 AD?  How many of those gazillions of joules were man-made?

 

 

Addendum: Gazillions of Joules Under the Sea

Gazillions of joules!

A five degree rise for just the first inch of ocean, for a static area 900 miles in diameter (the size of hurricane Sandy) requires 95-million terajoules of energy. If we assume it gets used the most efficiently it can be, a ton of coal gets you about 35 gigajoules. That means we’d need a cube of coal .9 of a mile/side to generate the energy needed to heat just that first inch of water five degrees. All that energy is a fraction of the heat being trapped, just a fraction. We’re going to see a lot more storms get charged up this way.

The best way to alarm the scientifically illiterate is to convert 0.8°C into eleventy gazillion joules.

Ocean Heat Content for the upper 700 meters of the oceans increased by about 16 gazillion (10^22) Joules over the last 40 years or so! 16 gazillion is a huge number! Unfortunately for Warmists, 16 gazillion is a very tiny number relative to the volume of the top 700 meters of the oceans and the heat content that normally resides in the oceans…

Figure 6. Change in Ocean Heat Content from Levitus et al., 2009 via Bob Tisdale – Climate Observations (http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/the-warming-of-the-world-oceans-0-700-meters-in-degrees-c/)

16 gazillion Joules is enough heat to increase the average temperature of the upper 700 meters of ocean by a whopping 0.168 degrees Centigrade.

The average temperature of the upper 700 meters of ocean is somewhere in the ballpark of 10 degrees Centigrade…

Figure 7. Approximate average oceanic thermocline (Windows to the Universe).

How much heat content is required to raise the temperature of the upper 700 meters of ocean from 0 to 10 degrees Centigrade?

A bit less than 950 gazillion Joules.

16 gazillion is less than 2% of 950 gazillion.

More fun with gazillions of Joules

This is a graph from a Skeptical Science post…

Figure 8. An unreliable representation of recent changes in Earth’s total heat content (Skeptical Science).

Frightening, right?

In addition to lacking any context, the title of the graph is amazingly and ignorantly wrong. There’s a lot more to the Earth than water, ice and air… There’s that whole solid(ish) thing in the middle.

The heat flow at the surface (the coolest part of the solid Earth) of the Earth is ~47 Terawatts (TW). A Joule is 1 Watt*second of power. 47 TW is 47,000,000,000,000 joules per second (47*10^12 J/s). Over the 40-yr period (1969-2008) the Earth’s heat flow transferred 6 gazillion (10^12) Joules of heat from the interior to the surface. That 6 gazillion is a very tiny fraction of the total heat content of the Earth (~12,600,000,000 gazillion Joules). So the SkepSci graph doesn’t even come close to capturing the “change in the Earth’s total heat content.”

Here’s a little more context… Unsurprisingly, ocean heat content and sea surface temperature are highly correlated…

Figure 9. Cross-plot of ocean heat content (Levitus, 2009) and sea surface temperature (Hadley/CRU via Wood for Trees).

So, we can very easily estimate OHC from SST to see what the OHC was

doing before we started measuring it…

Figure 10. Historical ocean heat content calculated from HadSST and OHC (Levitus, 2009).

Wow!!! The OHC had to have increased by 13 gazillion Joules from 1910-1941. How did that happen? CO2 was mired in the “safe” range of 310-320 ppmv (assuming Antarctic ice cores are accurate sources of paleo-CO2 data).

Frankenstorm-itis: Five degrees of Separation from Reality and Eleventy Gazillion Joules Under the Sea

 

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January 19, 2016 8:15 am

Why did the heat that was warming the atmosphere suddenly start warming the oceans instead?
If you can’t tell us that then it’s just as justifiable to say the energy from the oceans was warming the atmosphere (due to random changes) and the effect of man’s CO2 output is negligible.
Indeed, as the correlation with CO2 output is so poor it is more justifiable to take these Ocean heat claims as disproof of newsworthy AGW.

MarkW
Reply to  MCourtney
January 19, 2016 8:29 am

The impact of the ocean on land temperatures only extends a hundred or so miles inland. (Rapidly decreasing as you go.)
The idea that heat going into the oceans is preventing temperature changes in places hundreds, of miles inland should be laughable.

Reply to  MCourtney
January 19, 2016 10:16 am

MCourtney January 19, 2016 at 8:15 am
Why did the heat that was warming the atmosphere suddenly start warming the oceans instead?

Why and HOW? How does energy transferred from CO2 to the atmosphere, NOT heat the atmosphere? How does energy re-radiated by CO2 NOT heat the land? How does… oh never mind. Discussion of the science is a waste of time.

Bryan A
Reply to  davidmhoffer
January 19, 2016 12:23 pm

Perhaps the Land isn’t playing right anymore, or perhaps it just didn’t get the e-mail
Or the land has simply reached saturation.

spock2009
Reply to  davidmhoffer
January 19, 2016 4:59 pm

davidmhoffer askes, “How does energy transferred from CO2 to the atmosphere,…”
Does CO2 contain energy which is transferred to the atmosphere?

Reply to  spock2009
January 19, 2016 5:33 pm

“Does CO2 contain energy which is transferred to the atmosphere?”
Co2 heated by long wave radiation from the surface in the atmosphere WILL exchange energy with other molecules in the atmosphere through collision and emission.

Casey
Reply to  davidmhoffer
January 20, 2016 1:24 pm

You do realise that, for all of our logic and empirical views on all of this… we are LOSING the battle against the religion of ACC.
There is far too much ££$$ involved in it – ACC is now at the same position as petrol engined cars and a (mythical) new engine technology…the car makers and the trillion ££$$ oil people will block it.
ACC is now that trillion ££$$ wealth-creation scheme. They will stop at nothing – brainwashing, calling for criminal charges for sceptics, etc – to protect their vested interests.
Scepticism is losing to stupidity.

Reply to  Casey
January 20, 2016 2:02 pm

Casey its not over until the fat lady sings, or the fat scientists cry like little girls…or something. The only way we lose is by giving up. And I don’t think anyone here intends to.
The ACC’ers aren’t winning. Public opinion of science and scientists has never been so low. The public is losing faith in science. People aren’t becoming more convinced of ACC, they are becoming less convinced. And the more we tell them about WHY it’s failing, the more they turn away from it.
I don’t know where you live, but where I live, people laugh about “global warming” all the time. They simply do not believe it.

rw
Reply to  davidmhoffer
January 21, 2016 11:45 am

Aphan said:
“Casey its not over until the fat lady sings, or the fat scientists cry like little girls…or something. The only way we lose is by giving up. And I don’t think anyone here intends to.
The ACC’ers aren’t winning. Public opinion of science and scientists has never been so low. The public is losing faith in science. People aren’t becoming more convinced of ACC, they are becoming less convinced. And the more we tell them about WHY it’s failing, the more they turn away from it.
I don’t know where you live, but where I live, people laugh about “global warming” all the time. They simply do not believe it.”
Well stated. And this is the beauty of the whole AGW affair; these idiots are exposing themselves for all to see. But the ultimate goal should be to help the general public generalize from this fiasco – to make them see that these are the sort of people who have sequestered themselves in positions where they can have a significant impact on the future of our society.

Reply to  MCourtney
January 19, 2016 11:55 am

YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. Sort of. What we can say is that the magnitude of these energies are NOT what anybody thought 30, 20, 10 years ago. The fact that we don’t know how the energy is getting into the deeper ocean, if it is, how long it will stay there, how long the process can continue or if it is even happening.
They bandy about numbers for deep ocean heat content for 150 years as if that could be knowable. We are talking hundredths of a degree. We had NO instruments to measure this and proxies would have to be awfully sensitive to notice this minor temperature change. It is not clear how they could identify that layer of the ocean. They say the results are reliable. I doubt it. They have trouble saying if there was a mideival warming period and it is reliable there was a 0.01 degree change in temperature? Really?
We don’t know deeper ocean temperatures. Even today we don’t know that. The ARGO floats only cover about half the ocean volume. We’ve only been doing that for 14 years.
You’re point is my point. This is all stuff they didn’t know that is large enough to impact their assumptions and results. That means IT WAS NOT ALL SETTLED. It was not all “fact.” It still isn’t because they still don’t understand this. They don’t understand the 60-70 year cycle of El Ninos called the PDO and AMO which also majorly affect the climate. They can’t model this cycle because they don’t know what causes it. They have said it will stop.( PDO, AMO, El Ninos, …) because it isn’t in their models. Well, it didn’t.
Failure failure failure. I document all this in my article: the 50 + failures and deceptions of climate scientists https://logiclogiclogic.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/failures-of-global-warming-models-and-climate-scientists/

DD More
Reply to  logiclogiclogic
January 19, 2016 1:39 pm

Logic –
Expedition – of 1872–76
On her 68,890-nautical-mile (127,580 km) journey circumnavigating the globe,[1] 492 deep sea soundings, 133 bottom dredges, 151 open water trawls and 263 serial water temperature observations were taken. Also about 4,700 new species of marine life were discovered.
Wiki
Here is the route
http://hercules.kgs.ku.edu/hexacoral/expedition/challenger_1872-1876/images/challengerroute.gif
Note the Niño 3.4 Region got one pass, N-S. Was that a El Niño or La Nina year?
But good enough to record the whole ocean temperature to hundredths of a degree.

Jay Hope
Reply to  MCourtney
January 19, 2016 2:44 pm

Don’t they mean ‘Mann- made heat’??

Alan the Brit
January 19, 2016 8:15 am

On what planet is “ocean heat content” synonymous with “man-made heat”?
Precisely! Presumption upon presumption upon presumption!

Reply to  Alan the Brit
January 19, 2016 10:24 am

presumably a gazillion times!

Reply to  fossilsage
January 19, 2016 12:53 pm

“Eleventy gazillion”! My new favorite number!

Gary
January 19, 2016 8:17 am

“Man-made heat” (energy released from burning fuels of various kinds) goes into the air and then into space. It doesn’t go into the oceans. The ignorance of journalists would be astonishing if it weren’t so common.

MarkW
Reply to  David Middleton
January 19, 2016 9:59 am

Advanced courses

Reply to  David Middleton
January 19, 2016 11:50 am

Progressive Core subjects!

exSSNcrew
Reply to  David Middleton
January 21, 2016 7:08 am

“How to Lie with Statistics” was a supplemental seminar at my university. … in the 80’s. The intent was to show how to spot deceptive representations, and tease out the truth … not a ‘how to’ manual.

Dahlquist
Reply to  Gary
January 19, 2016 9:52 am

I heard a story the other day about some AGWers who all drove their cars down to the beach, connected long hoses to their exhausts and were trying to pump the exhaust into the ocean to try to prove this theory. Can you believe it? They’ll go to such lengths to just be right once in awhile…
/Sarc. Maybe

Dahlquist
Reply to  Dahlquist
January 19, 2016 9:55 am

Was that a Jouls Verne story, about the jouls in the seas? Fiction.
Ok, Dumb joke.

Marcus
Reply to  Dahlquist
January 19, 2016 10:39 am

..No dumber than their research !!

Reply to  Gary
January 19, 2016 12:54 pm

Oh it’s still astonishing. Astonishingly common. 🙂

inMAGICn
Reply to  Aphan
January 20, 2016 9:10 am

I named my female cat Joulie since she had so much energy as a kitten. Now she’s a fat cat and sort of lazy. NOW I know where her energy went, right into Puget Sound.

January 19, 2016 8:22 am

Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
When the earths atmosphere refuses to warm, at all, over the past 18+ years, despite record ‘man-made’ CO2 emissions over the same period, why wouldn’t you default to the old Trenberth “the missing heat is hiding in the oceans” theory?
Still no mention of the sun’s energy causing warning anywhere to be seen.
What a joke.

January 19, 2016 8:23 am

This is great news!
As predicted, the ginormous heat sink of the world’s oceans is tempering the thermal balance of the planet.
But wait, I’m confused…aren’t sea level changes mostly due to ocean heat content? If the Borenstein digest of this work is to be believed, wouldn’t sea level have increased by the same amount since 1997 as it did from 1865 until 1997? I’m pretty sure there’s something wrong with this claim or its interpretation. As a journal editor, I’m often left wondering, who reviews this crap? Where are the editors? Nature Publishing Group continues to cover itself in (not glory).

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  genesdoc
January 19, 2016 12:41 pm

Genesdoc
Yes, the ocean should have expanded in volume just as much since 1997. It is claimed that melting of land ice has increased, (not decreased) and that the oceans are expanding because of added heat. Now, don’t spoil the fun: If a lot of ice were melting and running into the oceans, it would be bloody cold when it got there. Does that decrease the total ocean heat?
It takes about 720 cubic km/yr to raise the ocean level 2mm per year. That sort of melting isn’t happening so sea level rise must be from heat more than putting land-ice into the oceans.
If it is from heat expanding the water and the numbers from the authors above are correct, then the rise in sea level should match (pretty much) the heat absorbed. Water isn’t squishy so there is no way out of their argument. Sea level didn’t rise like that since 1997, so the claim for added heat must be false.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
January 19, 2016 12:58 pm

Naw…see…when Co2 molecules get cold in the ocean, they shrink or contract…making them skinnier and then ocean pressure make them flat. Then when they pile up on the ocean floor, they do it in organized stacks, one layer at a time. So they won’t raise the sea level at all until the ocean floor is covered with them several layers deep. So all that heat is in there, it’s just thinner and stacked neatly so it’s not affecting sea levels yet.
See? I’m a climate scientist!!!

DD More
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
January 19, 2016 2:02 pm

A point I made earlier, that the excess heat cannot be 2 places at once.
4.13 x 10^17 joules / KM^3. What does that number represent? That is the energy it takes to convert one cubic kilometer of continental ice from -30 °C to water at 4 °C
See maths here (the 0 C to 100 C should be 0 C to 4 C) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/03/el-nino-strengthens-the-pause-lengthens/#comment-1953030
So for 150 zettajoules in the last 18 years, not only do they have to calculate the ocean temps, but must include Antarctica and Greenland Ice mass too.
How about all that ‘Ocean Heat Content Change’? Ocean heat content has increased by the noted 1.50 X 10E23 Joules in the next 18 years.
So 1.50 X 10E23 Joules / 4.1342 x 10E17 Joules/KM^3 = 363,000 KM^3
Well that sounds like a lot of ice, but Antarctica has between 26 and 30 million and Greenland has 2.5 million of those KM^3, so in reality it works out to 628,930 / 30,000,000 = 1.21% of the total.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/HannaBerenblit.shtml
Since the heat cannot both melt the ice and heat the water, please tell me to what accuracy in percentage has the volume of ice has been measured in the last 18 years?

GeneDoc
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
January 19, 2016 9:44 pm

Heat’s still missing, then I reckon! Or it’s just those “inhuman” numbers that are beyond our imagining! Sigh. I’m a biologist. I’m supposed to be one of them scientist types who’s not good with math..but these climate clowns take the cake.

KTM
Reply to  genesdoc
January 19, 2016 11:35 pm

Yes, that is a correct interpretation. Other sources seem to think that about 75% of all the sea level rise is due to thermal expansion, but then they say it is only ~0.55 mm per year?
How do you get from 0.55 mm being 75% of the total to the total being the 3.3 mm per year they like to cite?
Also, I did a back of the envelope calculation and a temperature increase of 0.138 C throughout the ocean should cause ~36 cm of sea level rise. Even the inflated 3.3 mm per year number they like to cite is nowhere near 36 cm since 1997.
If someone has a more accurate calculation of what +0.138 C should do to sea level, I’d love to see it.

Reply to  genesdoc
January 20, 2016 3:18 pm

Good catch. If the sea has been absorbing all this heat how is it that the sea level hasn’t soared? 0.1C times the entire mass of the ocean and the thermal expansion ratio would yield a fantastic amount of increased volume. Granted they are only talking a fraction of the ocean but a significant fraction. Let’s see. Water expands linearly by a factor of 6.9*10^-6 * height of water column heated, so if we are saying 500 meters of water is warmed 0.1C then we would see a sea rise of 3.45mm. Since we normally see 2-3mm/year of sea level rise if the last 20 years have seen this rise it would be a significant contributor to sea level rise. If it is more water maybe twice as much then we might have seen 7mm or more. Still all in all not sure if that makes any difference.

Bruce Cobb
January 19, 2016 8:25 am

I prefer the mathematical term “bazillion” to gazillion. It gives it more oomph.
Bazinga.

Goldrider
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 19, 2016 8:59 am

WTF is a “zettajoule?” Something they just made up? /sarc

oeman50
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 9:15 am

I went out with a girl named Zetta, once.

getitright
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 9:33 am

Zetta is an official metric SI unit prefix.
See this link
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/prefixes.html

MangoChutney
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 9:56 am


I once had a threesome with Zetta and Joules – maybe that’s where all the heat came from?

Dahlquist
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 9:59 am

@oeman
Bet Zetta had a lotta joules. Did she wear them a lot?

catweazle666
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 10:12 am

WTF is a “zettajoule?”
Something with a lot of zeros after it used to make a few thousandths of a degree (well below the limits of our ability to measure it accurately) look scary.
But they’ve missed a trick, if they’d used ergs they could have squeezed another seven orders of magnitude of scariness out of it.

Sean Peake
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 10:27 am

She’s Michal Douglas’ wife

PaulH
Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 12:26 pm

I think they’re referring to that old pop band “Jules and the Polar Bears.” 😉

Reply to  Goldrider
January 19, 2016 1:00 pm

It is how the French ask if your jewelry is real or fake. “Pardon moi….is zettajoule?”

Tom Judd
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 19, 2016 9:33 am

How about Godzillaion? (I can’t pronounce it either.) Or, maybe Titanicatillion? Do we have a Colossusaquillion? Maybe a Triple D Cupatillion? Extremewowasillion?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tom Judd
January 19, 2016 10:47 am

Why not just say a whole shit load.

JohnKnight
Reply to  Tom Judd
January 19, 2016 3:01 pm

Because dinosaurs went extinct.

Crakar24
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 19, 2016 2:16 pm

I like the rerm Braziian as in when the general told GW a “Brazilian died in Iraq” he wept for such great loss of life.

January 19, 2016 8:26 am

Does anybody ever take into account that the ocean warming could be coming from the bottom of the ocean from cracks in the earth’s crust?

MarkW
Reply to  Elmer
January 19, 2016 8:30 am

As long as the crack doesn’t circle the earth, we should be OK. If it does, we can always put a nuke in a volcano to stop it.

Dahlquist
Reply to  MarkW
January 19, 2016 10:05 am

What was the name of that movie. Okay, you meant the cracks that circle the earth going to Climate Change conventions, like Paris, right. Put a nuke in their cracks and stop all that hot methane from polluting our atmosphere…

Reply to  MarkW
January 19, 2016 5:36 pm

Pacific Rim?

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
January 20, 2016 6:00 am

“Crack in the World” (1965)

Reply to  Elmer
January 19, 2016 8:38 am

Don’t broadcast it, or else someone’s bound to abuse it!

Reply to  Elmer
January 19, 2016 5:37 pm

Yes Elmer. But it’s hard to find anyone that wants to talk about it. There’s some good discussion on it in the Snowball Earth thread here.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Elmer
January 19, 2016 6:30 pm

At one point I thought you were talking about builders cracks. That is where most of this kind of carp comes from.

MarkW
January 19, 2016 8:27 am

These readings were originally taken in degrees C, then converted to joules so that they could have big scary numbers.
Had they left the numbers in C, nobody would get scared of a 0.01C increase. Especially when the accuracy of the probes doing the measuring is only 0.1C. (And don’t get me started about the idiocy of using a few hundred probes to measure the temperature of the oceans.)

seaice1
Reply to  MarkW
January 19, 2016 8:40 am

°C is temperature, Joules measure heat energy. They are different things. Temperature and heat are different. Heat is conserved, temperature is not. If a block of hot metal is immersed in a tank of cold water, the only way to work out the equilibrium temperature is to work out the heat content from the temperature of the different materials. This is not “converting” temperature to heat, it is using temperature and heat capacity information to calculate heat. It is not the same as converting F to C.
I agree that the term “man made heat” is poor terminology. The heat mostly comes from the sun.

MarkW
Reply to  seaice1
January 19, 2016 8:52 am

heat and joules are flip sides of the same coin, as long as you are consistent in what material you are measuring.
A change in temperature of X will directly result in a change of energy of Y and the reverse is also true.
Nice of you to try and change the subject with another of your irrelevancies. Again.

MarkW
Reply to  seaice1
January 19, 2016 8:53 am

Absent a phase change, of course.

seaice1
Reply to  seaice1
January 19, 2016 10:26 am

Yes, Joules are a measure of heat – heat is measured in Joules, like temperature is measured in °C or K or F. Heat and temperature are not the flip side of the same coin. I was not changing the subject, but reponding to the comment that the “readings were originally taken in degrees C, then converted to joules so that they could have big scary numbers.” Heat and temperature are not the same. For the same substance the same heat change will result in about the same temperature change, but for a different substance the temperature change will be different. The calculation is not to produce scary numbers but so that different substances such as water and air can be compared in the same units.
In fact, heat capacity is not totally independent of temperature, so the same energy input will not raise the temperature by the same amount at different temperatures. We usually ignore this as the difference is small over “normal” temperatures. Water has a specific heat capacity of 4.182 J/g at 20°C but at 99°C it is 4.214 J/g.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  seaice1
January 19, 2016 12:48 pm

Actually energy is measured in Joules. It might be heat, it might not. If you heat a bunch of molecules to a high temperature, some suddenly drop (a lot) in temperature and each one split into 2 x CO molecules wit some O2 left over. You can get that energy back in the form of heat if you want. The temperature on its own ‘don’t mean squat’. Lots of chemical reactions are endothermic.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  seaice1
January 19, 2016 6:33 pm

“seaice1 says: January 19, 2016 at 8:40 am
The heat mostly comes from the sun.”
It certainly does not!

seaice1
Reply to  seaice1
January 20, 2016 4:39 am

Yes Crispin, you are correct. Heat is energy, but not all energy is heat. As you say, temperature don’t mean squat – we must calculate energy to do useful stuff. Energy is conserved, temperature is not.
PatrickMJD. Where does the heat mostly come from if not the sun?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  seaice1
January 20, 2016 6:58 pm

“seaice1 says: January 20, 2016 at 4:39 am”
Earth receives energy, not heat, from the sun. The Earth uses that energy to warm the planet. No heat ever arrives on Earth from the sun.

Dahlquist
Reply to  MarkW
January 19, 2016 10:25 am

“Most of the added heat has been trapped in the upper 2,300 feet, but with every year the deeper oceans also are absorbing more energy, they said.”
Heat or energy?… And just how is the heat getting to the depths? Passing through the dense colder water…Or filling it all the way from surface to seafloor?

GaryD.
Reply to  Dahlquist
January 19, 2016 12:03 pm

Sounds like a gazillion dollar grant is needed to study this.

exSSNcrew
Reply to  Dahlquist
January 21, 2016 7:30 am

Perhaps via a previously unknown wormhole in the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

Med Bennett
January 19, 2016 8:30 am

Thanks for the chuckles this morning!

Logoswrench
January 19, 2016 8:35 am

Eleventy gazillion is an awesome term. I love it.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Logoswrench
January 19, 2016 9:07 am

Eleventy gazillion was my mom’s favorite exaggeration.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
January 19, 2016 12:49 pm

Pogo featured a sign that read, “Watermelons: Lebenty-leben cents per each”. That’s my favourite.

MichaelS
January 19, 2016 8:37 am

Are you sure this wasn’t written by Seth Rogen?

January 19, 2016 8:37 am

How much of any past recorded atmospheric temperature rise is due to man-made CO2 emissions and how much to man-made heat emissions from transport, industrial and domestic heating including fossil fuel burning, industrial processes, even breathing etc. etc. How do the CAGW zealots account for this other man-made input in their claimed Temperature/CO2 relationship?

mike g
January 19, 2016 8:38 am

Slight beef: “A Joule is 1 Watt*second of power.” Joules are units of energy, not power.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  mike g
January 19, 2016 12:53 pm

Right on Mike g
One Joule-second is one Watt. Converting something to Watt-seconds is just a way of stating the number of Joules involved, presumably for something that took place of a different time period. ‘Power’ requires units of both time and energy.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
January 19, 2016 5:40 pm

“Watt did you say?”…”I said give me your joules!”

Latitude
January 19, 2016 8:39 am

The world’s oceans absorbed approximately 150 zettajoules of energy from 1865 to 1997, and then absorbed about another 150 in the next 18 years,……and no one could find it on a thermometer

Glacierman
Reply to  Latitude
January 19, 2016 9:52 am

2 X 0 = 0.

Tom O
January 19, 2016 8:41 am

It really amazes me how “scientists” today solve everything – the missing energy solved, the missing mass solved, the missing brain, solved, well maybe not. Todays scientists are just so good at solving puzzles – with the help of computer simulations, of course, yet science itself has never solved a damn thing, only suggested possibilities. and science will continue to only suggest possibilities while the lamebrains calling themselves scientists continue to solve the worlds puzzling situations. hurricanes? Solved. Volcanoes? Well, let’s leave that one alone along with earthquakes. Have to leave some puzzles for the next generation of “solvists.”

RMB
January 19, 2016 8:43 am

What Seth Borenstein should do is get a source of heat like a heat gun and actually try to put heat through the SURFACE of water

January 19, 2016 8:45 am

There was a related article in today’s Times behind the paywall.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article4668576.ece
An interesting section says,
” The theory that the oceans accounted for the slowdown in the rate of global warming was mocked last year by the Conservative MP Peter Lilley. He told a BBC Radio 4 programme that scientists were putting forward “a sort of new version of ‘the deep oceans swallowed my homework’ thesis”.
The BBC deleted the programme from its iPlayer service after the BBC Trust ruled that it had breached guidelines on accuracy and impartiality. ”
BBC thought police strike again.

Old'un
Reply to  son of mulder
January 19, 2016 9:42 am

The Times article concludes with:
‘John Shepherd, a professor at the National Oceanography Centre, University of Southampton, said that the ocean took up an enormous amount of heat, but that the rate of warming was now likely to return to its previous level……’
Well, there we have it – the rate of ocean warming is likely to reduce. So it can’t have anything to do with CO2 concentration, which continues to increase.

Pat Smith
Reply to  Old'un
January 19, 2016 10:18 am

I think that the oceans hold about 1000 times the heat that the atmosphere does. So, to prove that the 0.1 to 0.2 deg C warming that should have but hasn’t taken place in the atmosphere over the last 20 years actually went into the seas, you would have to measure the temperature of the oceans to 0.0001 deg C accuracy (give or take a bit if you are only talking about the top 700 metres). This seems unlikely. However, this stuff matters. The Times article referred to above is promoted as a slam-dunk ‘OK, the pause has been explained’ and the deniers are wrong again. It is not linked in any way to two other stories in the UK this week (1,000 jobs go at Tata Steel in the UK, partly as a result of very high energy costs imposed by Government to reduce CO2 and WHO ‘reveal deadly toll of air pollution, 3.3 million premature deaths due to poor air quality’, again made worse by government drives in favour of diesel cars and wood burning stoves). The steamroller just goes on, destroying jobs and lives and the screwed up science does not seem to matter.

Old'un
Reply to  Old'un
January 19, 2016 12:40 pm

Pat Smith – Sadly, you are right. It matters not that no credible, quantified, mechanism has been proposed for long wave down welling radiation to warm the oceans. The implication of the article is that the increased rate of ocean heat is due to CO2. It is simply hand waving, but unfortunately it sticks.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Old'un
January 19, 2016 1:02 pm

Pat, if you check those numbers from the WHO you will find there are no actual data behind them. They model the fuel combustion, then model dispersion of the emissions. Then they model exposure to those emissions, then model the disease reactions from the modelled exposure. Then they model the deaths that may have occurred from those modeled diseases. The global burned of disease (GBD) caused by outdoor air quality is unknown, i.e. what would be the impact of totally removing all outdoor air pollution on the death rate? There are no realistic studies to know how to separate indoor air pollution from frying fish and smoking ciggies from outdoor air pollution. They use models five layers deep as a substitute for knowledge.
A good question to anyone touting the figure ‘3.3m’ is: “What would be the impact on the GBD if the outdoor air pollution were reduced by 50%?” They have not a clue, and anything given in reply is literally fabricated, because no one knows.
[“Global burned of disease” ? Should that not be “Global cost of disease and injuries caused NOW by burning bad fuels? .mod]

Jan
January 19, 2016 8:47 am

OK. I run a cold bath in a hot bathroom. How long does it take for the water to warm up? I run a hot bath in a cold bathroom. How long does it take for the air to warm up? Don’t scientists ever bathe?

chris y
January 19, 2016 8:50 am

“It takes 4.186 J to raise the temperature of 1 kg of water 1 °C.”
Should be 1 gram of water.

Philip Dean
Reply to  chris y
January 19, 2016 9:30 am

From Wikipedia:
4.184 joule of heat energy (or one calorie) is required to raise the temperature of a unit weight (1 g) of water from 0oC to 1oC, or from 32oF to 33.8oF

Reply to  Philip Dean
January 19, 2016 9:44 am

It gets confusing because when a calorie is used in the context of dieting they are actually talking about Kilocalorie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  chris y
January 19, 2016 1:04 pm

Chris Y
Why are you concerned about an error of a few orders of magnitude? Three is a really small number. This is climate science. If it is scary, it must be true. It has to be wrong by a gazillion orders of magnitude before it will be corrected. Anything less is for wimps.

January 19, 2016 8:53 am

Seething is an art.
Borenstein is another product of the times
As a propagandist for the cause, he has few peers.As the CRU emails revealed.
As a man severely confused by science he is beyond parody.
Zettajoule??.
Wonder how long it took his helpers to explain how tiny a joule is.?
Or did they even try?
Then the incredible nature of this missing heat, so now the oceans are absorbing heat at an unprecedented rate?
What did these mystic waters do before man released the magic gas?
In a way this is progress, the Alarmed Ones appear to realize the oceans stabilize our climate, which of course makes their previous panic even more pathetic.
Cue up Tiny Tim;The Ice Caps Are Melting.

Mark from the Midwest
January 19, 2016 8:55 am

“good data wasn’t available … the overall figures are … still are reliable,”
I kind of recall that one cannot even begin to talk about reliability until one tests a number of replicates against real data … oh wait, we’ll just assume that the missing data fit the pattern without error.

January 19, 2016 8:57 am

Not sure about your units. I believe 1 cal is the heat required to raise 1 gm of H20 1 C, and = 4.184 Joules. To raise 1kg 1C would require 4184 Joules.

January 19, 2016 8:59 am

Seth Borenstein is paid to write frightening but totally unscientific garbage articles. If he let journalism ethics and scientific knowledge stand in his way of writing scare-mongering garbage, his bosses would find someone else who would. Which is likely how he got hired in the first place.

January 19, 2016 9:02 am

Fun post. It only misses one thing. Eleventy bazillion joules will never leap back out of the oceans to warm the atmosphere as Trenberth implied. Essay Missing Heat. The laws of thermodynamics guarantee that heat flows from hot to cold. The polar sea ice driven thermohaline circulation guarantees that oceans are comparatively a LOT colder (except for in some places the shallowest mixed layer) than the atmosphere except at the poles in winter.. Eleventy bazillion joules gone forever, disappeared by the ocean’s diffusive thermocline.

Reply to  ristvan
January 19, 2016 9:56 am

Amen! The oceans are for all practical and human scale purposes, an infinite heat sink. A minuscule portion from ocean absorbed short wavelength radiation is returned in el nino / la nina type phenomena but most disappears into the Davey Jones locker. As long as earth remains a water world, we will benefit from the vast climate flywheel of the deep oceans.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Robert Austin
January 19, 2016 1:07 pm

Robert:
The oceans are, for all practical purposes and confirmed by all observational analyses, full. Now you are saying they are an infinite heat sink. If they are, for practical purposes, an infinite heat sink, can they also be infinitely full for those same purposes? If they are infinitely full, logically they cannot get fuller than they already are. Why all the fuss?
If more people thought like me there would be more space at the dinner table.

phaedo
Reply to  ristvan
January 19, 2016 11:59 am

Not content with trying to eradicate the MWP, the ecoloons appear to be gunning for the four laws of thermodynamics as well.

FTOP_T
Reply to  phaedo
January 19, 2016 6:51 pm

Logic was drawn and quartered by the loons many years ago. No advancement of mankind is safe from these pseudo-science charlatans.

1sky1
Reply to  ristvan
January 19, 2016 2:16 pm

FYI, the air-sea temperature difference is negative on a global scale; thus the ocean surface is transferring heat to the atmosphere–not vice versa. And THC is driven not by polar sea ice formation or melting as such, but by gravity acting upon very slight density differences of seawater in a column. Its extremely sluggish action has negligible impact upon surface climate in the course of human lifetimes. Likewise, diffusion of heat into depths below the thermocline is extremely weak, depending upon episodic second-order mixing mechanisms The upshot is that the relatively shallow mixed layer above the seasonally varying thermocline is the principal oceanic heat source.

Reply to  1sky1
January 19, 2016 2:27 pm

Ocean heat content must be considered relative to average, not in absolute terms. While the surface stores heat in excess of average, the deep ocean is colder than average and the temperature at the middle of the thermocline is approximately the average temperature of the planet. The net energy stored relative to average is close to zero and this is why the oceans respond far faster to change than is conventionally believed.
As the ocean warms or cools, the whole ocean doesn’t change temperature and only thin slices of water above and below the thermocline need to adapt.
While we don’t think of water as an insulator, even steel can insulate at a sufficient thickness and when you look sat the temperature profile of the thermocline (defined by inflection points), its the same temperature profile you would expect through the cross section of an insulated wall separating deep ocean cold from warm surface waters.

1sky1
Reply to  1sky1
January 19, 2016 4:48 pm

co2isnot evil:
OHC must be considered in relation to its effect upon surface climate. Unsurprisingly, it’s the variable near-surface mixed layer that dominates in that regard. While total heat storage there is certainly far less than in the nearly constant deeper, colder layers, it is very far from zero. And it’s the difference in absolute temperatures that determines the direction of heat flow. That’s why the oceans act as a flywheel on global average air temperatures.

Reply to  1sky1
January 19, 2016 7:05 pm

1sky1,
There is little, if any, heat flow from hot to cold down through the thermocline and most of the transfer between hot and old occurs as weather and surface circulation currents. Note that the atmosphere is the primary connection between hot and cold and as I said before, the thermocline is acting like an insulator consequential to gravity acting on the density/temperature profile of water. Otherwise, how can you explain the existence of 0C water in the deep ocean directly under the equator an how can you explain the inflection points that define the thermocline?
There’s a small flow upward of about 1 W/m^2 which is the average heating from the solid surface below and of course, warmer water is less dense and rises which is counter to the expected flow from hot (surface) to cold (deep). The thermohaline circulation is the hydraulic action of cold water sinking at the poles, connecting at the equator and pushing water up, replacing that which was evaporated since the net flow of surface water via evaporation and rain is from the equator to the poles.
If you think of the planets energy storage as a temperature difference between warm surface waters and the deep ocean cold separated by an insluator (thermocline), the planet stores energy much like an electrical capacitor. The math works out the same as well, if Pi(t) and Po(t) are the instantaneous incident and emitted power of the planet, when the instantaneous difference is > 0, the energy stored by the planets surface increases and it warrms and when it’s < 0, the energy stored by the planets surface decreases and it cools. If E(t) is the instantaneous total energy stored by the surface relative to average, its also linearly proportional to the surface temperature, T(t). We can write this as,
Pi(t) = Po(t) + dE(t)/dt
If we now define an arbitrary amount of time, tau, such that all of E can be emitted at the rate Po in time tau, we can rewrite this as,
Po(t) = E(t)/tau
Pi(t) = E(t)/tau + dE/dt
which should be recognized as the LTI that describes an RC circuit with a time constant of tau. Note that in an electrical circuit a DC voltage bias on both plates of a capacitor is irrelevant to the stored energy, just as the average temperature 'bias' of the planet does not effect the stored energy. There's one additional constraint arising from the heat capacity and Stefan-Boltzmann where,
Po(t) = k*E(t)^4
The constant k combines the effective emissivity, the SB constant and the heat capacity. This illustrates a second order effect similar to a temperature dependent dielectric constant where tau must decrease as E increases which in this case, is a result of Stefan-Boltzmann, which is that Po(i) is proportional to T^4, thus E^4 and since k is mostly constant (1 cal, 1 gm water, 1C), tau must decrease as E (and T) increases. This simple set of equations can then be extended to account for cloud dependent emissivity and albedo on a gridded basis and becomes a very good predictor of the planets thermodynamic response to variable TSI and quantifiably establishes a sensitivity well below the lower bound claimed by the IPCC.
Note that the cold side of this 'capacitor' (the water below the thermocline) remains constant between about 0C and 4C regardless of the surface temperature and this will true as long as the poles provide a source of cold, dense water. The delta T and hence energy stored by the planet is then proportional to the average ocean surface temperature where a thermocline exists minus 4C which is the temperature at the bottom of the thermocline.

1sky1
Reply to  1sky1
January 20, 2016 2:43 pm

co2isnotevil:
Nowhere do I claim that there’s significant transfer of heat “down through the thermocline” to deeper levels. On the contrary, I point to the principal physical reasons why that is NOT so! There’s no need to resort to hand-waving analogies with thermal insulators and/or electrical capacitors, when the direct effects of well-known mechanisms can be deduced accurately from first principles. That is usually done in physical oceanography, but very seldom in “climate science.”

Reply to  1sky1
January 20, 2016 4:16 pm

1sky1,
There’s no more hand waving involved with the LTI model of the climate system then there is for using it to model an RC circuit. The operation of an RC circuit can also be quantified in terms of more primitive first principles at many levels of abstraction all the way down to statistical Quantum Mechanics. For an RC circuit, the LTI model is an exact representation of the averages underlying the most primitive statistical behavior of the molecules comprising the circuit and is provable so by its macroscopic conservation requirements. In the same way, COE constrains the LTI climate model to be an exact representation of the climate system, moreover; superposition tells us that the only way the climate state can behave, where the state variable is the stored energy required to establish the instantaneous surface temperature, E(t), is as the sum of solutions to the aforementioned differential equation, Pi(t) = E(t)/tau + dE(t)/dt.
The thermal conductivity of water is about 0.58 W/(m K). While it’s no where near as good a conductor of heat as copper at about 400 W/(m K), nor as good an insulator as air at about .024 W/(m K), it becomes a good insulator at a sufficient thickness and 24 meters of water insulates as well as 1 meter of air. To be clear though, while the thermocline is behaving like an insulator separating deep cold from a warm tropical surface, it got that way as a consequence of gravity organizing water by its physical properties It’s interesting to note that the poles are also thermally connected to each other by a path going underneath the tropics.

1sky1
Reply to  1sky1
January 21, 2016 1:16 pm

co2isnotevil:
I tried to steer you toward serious oceanographic comprehension…to no avail. Oh, well.

Reply to  1sky1
January 22, 2016 8:41 am

1sky1,
I’ve tried to lead you towards the powerful concept of equivalent modelling where systems are modelled at the highest level of abstraction that fits the data. In this case, its a very simple differential equation that’s analogous to an RC circuit and the physical structure of the ocean explains why this works so incredibly well as a predictor of the planets response to change.
I see this a lot on both side of the science where people get hung up on a very narrow aspect of the system that is related to their specific area of expertise and fail to grasp the big picture by getting hung up on the low level details of what they do understand.

1sky1
Reply to  1sky1
January 22, 2016 10:34 am

co2isnotevil:
You seem unaware that where you lead vis a vis modeling analogies is ground that many of us covered 50 years ago. Such modeling analogies may impress novices, but are no substitute for science based on first principles.

Reply to  1sky1
January 22, 2016 4:05 pm

1sky1,
Conservation of Energy is about as first principles as you can get, and this is the only constraint, in fact the only possible constraint, on the LTI model of the planets climate system that I’ve described. What happens at lower levels of abstraction is meaningless unless you can also account for this overriding top level constraint and conforming to this top level constraint is something that pedantic climate science does not do. If as you say, this kind of modelling was explored 50 years ago, then climate science would have been settled long ago in favor of the skeptics. Either you are wrong about this being considered in the past, or it was never given the due consideration it deserves The predictive power of this approach is to much to ignore, especially seasonal and diurnal variability.
Here’s a simple though experiment. Start with an ideal gray body representation of the planet (emissivity = 0.62), all aspects of which can be completely quantified by first principles (SB is also a first principles LAW) and then explain how the planet can exhibit the outward behavior of an ideal gray body, which the data is unambiguously clear about, yet manifest bulk properties far different from that of a gray body (the consensus claims a sensitivity 3-4 times larger)?

1sky1
Reply to  1sky1
January 23, 2016 3:54 pm

I prefer real-world oceanography at the research level to academic thought experiments at the student level.

Reply to  ristvan
January 20, 2016 8:11 am

Actually the SST is except in a few places (upwelling) always warmer than the atmosphere. The ocean warms the atmosphere, not the reverse, and this is why they are wrong.comment image
The only places the atmosphere can warm the oceans are the white areas of below zero flux in the lower panel.

Joe
January 19, 2016 9:03 am

Presumably man made CO2 radiates smart IR that knows which direction to go? Towards the ocean when over land, then down once over the ocean?

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