Energy, Carbon Dioxide, and The Pause

Guest essay by Ken Stewart

Obligatory smokestack image for any mention of energy and CO2
Obligatory smokestack image for any mention of energy and CO2

Here’s an alternative way to view The Pause. Rather than analysing temperature trends over time, here I compare temperature with carbon emissions and carbon dioxide concentration, and on the way look at a couple of interesting facts that need highlighting.

I use energy data from the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2015, CO2 data from NOAA, and Temperature data from UAH.

I need to get two important issues out of the way.

Firstly, total energy consumption. Figure 1 shows global energy consumption from all sources for 2014.

Fig. 1: Global Energy Consumption in Million Tonnes of Oil Equivalent

energy 1965 2014

I aggregated coal, oil, and gas into one fossil fuel category. It is plainly obvious that fossil fuels are going to be around for a long time, unless there is a massive multiplication of (a) nuclear energy production, which may not appeal to some environmentalists, or (b) hydro-electricity dams, but that may not appeal either, and are there enough rivers?, or (c) windfarms and large scale solar, with storage, to produce 30 times what they produce now just to meet current demand. Cheap, reliable energy supply is going to depend on technological breakthroughs in the next 100 years and fossil fuels in the meantime.

Secondly, the recent increase in carbon dioxide concentrations is almost entirely anthropogenic.

Figure 2: CO2 concentration as a function of global energy consumption from 1965 to 2014:

Energy vs co2

99% of CO2 increase can be explained by energy use in all forms.

Now, before Global Warming Enthusiasts drool all over their keyboards, let’s look at how this relates to temperature.

I have calculated 12 month running means of CO2 concentration and TLT anomalies. From November 1979 to November 2015- CO2 concentration increased from 336.6 ppm to 400.57 ppm. What happened in this period to global lower troposphere temperatures- arguably a better indicator of global warming than surface temperatures because they show what the bulk of the atmosphere is doing?

Fig. 3: Tropospheric temperature anomalies vs CO2 concentration:

TLT vs CO2 78-15

43.5% of the temperature increase over the satellite era can be explained by/ is associated with the increase of about 64 ppm of CO2. The relationship is anything but linear, however the linear trend indicates, if warming continues at the same rate while CO2 increases by 100 ppm, that temperature anomalies will increase by about 0.63C. By this estimate, doubling CO2 concentration from 280 ppm (what many believe to be pre-industrial concentration) will result in a temperature increase from whatever the global temperature was 250 years ago, of 1.76C. According to HadCruT4, we’ve already seen about 0.8C increase since 1850, so we’re nearly halfway there! Not only that, but we’ll stay below 2 degrees of warming without the need for any emissions reductions!

But the temperature increase is not linear. The next plot shows the tropospheric temperature/ CO2 relationship while temperatures have paused.

Fig. 4: TLT vs CO2, from 363 ppm to 400 ppm:

TLT vs CO2 Pause

That, my friends is the true indicator of The Pause: while CO2 has increased by almost 37 ppm (out of 64 ppm), temperature has remained flat. The trend is +0.01C per 100 ppm CO2.

Finally, I’ve separated the record into three phases: before, during, and after the large step change in the 1990s culminating in the 1997-98 El Nino and the following La Nina.

Fig. 5: Temperature vs CO2 during the first phase, when CO2 increased by 20 ppm:

Phase 1

Fig. 6: Temperature vs CO2 during the second phase, when CO2 increased by about 14 ppm:

Phase 2

Fig. 7: Temperature vs CO2 during the last phase, when CO2 increased by about 29.3 ppm:

Phase 3

Therefore I conclude:

Barring a miraculous breakthrough, renewable energy has no hope of replacing cheap, reliable fossil fuels in the foreseeable future- thankfully!

Greenhouse gas increase is anthropogenic;

CO2 increase has probably caused some small temperature increase;

The relationship between CO2 and temperature in the satellite era is weak, with 58% of the CO2 increase occurring while temperatures have paused;

Therefore temperature change is probably caused mainly by natural factors;

Even if the long term “linear” trend continues, this rate is not alarming, and would lead to a temperature increase during a doubling of CO2 of less than 1.8C.

I find it amusing that Global Warming Enthusiasts pin their hopes for an end to The Pause on a strong El Nino- in other words, on natural variability, the very thing that is supposed to have been overwhelmed by greenhouse warming.

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Tekov Yuhoser
December 16, 2015 8:46 am

The Weather Channel just aired a fear-mongering segment on CAGW and how the last 14 or so years were the “…warmest EVER RECORDED.” This is what we layman call, “a whopper.” That may be a true statement but irrelevant. “Recorded” meaning the last two centuries? When will they leave out “recorded” and say, “ever?”

Reply to  Tekov Yuhoser
December 16, 2015 3:08 pm

Tekov-who knows, but the moment they do, skeptics will be down their throats because if it hasn’t been recorded, you’re just guessing.:)

ChrisDinBristol
Reply to  Aphan
December 16, 2015 4:30 pm

NASA et al’s ‘recorded’ datasets ARE just guessing

Dave in Canmore
December 16, 2015 8:53 am

A few weeks ago I put together graph 4 on my own showing the zero correlation between temp and Co2 from 360-400ppm. What was fascinating was showing it to an otherwise bright person in the solar business. He responded that the lack of correlation didn’t falsify anything for him. He had no answer when I suggested that such a conclusion was contrary to plain logic.
That is the problem right there. Given irrefutable, observable evidence, even bright people just ignore it. At the very least the observational record over the last 20 years shows that Co2 has a smaller effect than previously thought. But what good is such evidence when there is a real cognitive dissonance affecting the people who believe? It’s hard not becoming depressed when seeing face to face what little good evidence is in this discussion.

Marcus
Reply to  Dave in Canmore
December 16, 2015 9:04 am

Money is the root of all evil, in one way or the other !!!

MarkW
Reply to  Marcus
December 16, 2015 11:09 am

Love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. BIIIG difference.

gbaikie
Reply to  Marcus
December 16, 2015 6:35 pm

–Love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. BIIIG difference.–
Would love of money include being envious of those with a lot of money.
And perhaps were giving away their money might be like giving away one’s children?
What about people who love to give away other people’s money?
Cause that about sum up a Lefty.

Reply to  Dave in Canmore
December 16, 2015 3:17 pm

I don’t know Dave in Canmore. On the other side, I didn’t look at the graphs included in the OP here and determine that they proved anything conclusive either. A single reference point based on a tiny 20 years of this planet’s history shouldn’t confirm OR falsify anything about our climate for anyone, because our climate has so many variables and components and forcings that we don’t even understand fully yet.
And you have to prove that cognitive dissonance is really affecting someone before you can even begin to attribute anything TO that cognitive dissonance.

Dave in Canmore
Reply to  Aphan
December 16, 2015 4:35 pm

Agreed Aphan, small sample size and a small amount of data. But if there are no temp changes with such a big increase in emissions, then AT THE LEAST one must conclude that there is nothing catastrophic about said emissions. If this isn’t apparent then one is engaging in magical thinking or numbers mean nothing and nothing can ever be disproven! If A then B, thats how logic works. If you observe B and start to claim “not A” through ad hoc “fix-its” then one must admit they do not understand what is being looked at. But to merely say that nothing is disproven is in fact false. To examine then ignore basic and simple counter evidence is just that: cognitive dissonance.

Reply to  Aphan
December 16, 2015 6:35 pm

“To examine then ignore basic and simple counter evidence is just that: cognitive dissonance.”
No Dave, it’s not.
“In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values.”
If your friend isn’t having any mental stress or discomfort, then he’s not experiencing cognitive dissonance, and YOU don’t get to say that he is simply because YOU think he should be!
“If A then B, thats how logic works. ”
You seem to have a very limited understanding of how logic works. And psychology. And maybe even climate science.
“But if there are no temp changes with such a big increase in emissions, then AT THE LEAST one must conclude that there is nothing catastrophic about said emissions.”
No, one must NOT necessarily conclude that. There are many mechanisms that could be affecting temperatures towards “cool” while CO2 emissions are increasing (which I am assuming that your friend knows) that JUST focusing on the small area and data that you did left all the other bases uncovered.
I don’t believe in AGW theory or any of it’s offshoots. But I DO believe in logic and scientific methodologies and you aren’t demonstrating a huge skill set in either one at the moment.

Trev
December 16, 2015 8:56 am

The graph of co2 emissions vs co2 concentration runs from 1965 to 2014. Co2 data from Mauna Loa starts at 1958/59 What does the graph look like with the previous 6 years included?

rd50
Reply to  Trev
December 16, 2015 10:01 am
Reply to  Trev
December 16, 2015 8:52 pm

BP only provides energy data from 1965.

Mike Rossander
December 16, 2015 9:17 am

Just out of curiosity, what would the formula be if you assume a logarithmic trendline for your full Tropo Temp vs CO2 chart?

Reply to  Mike Rossander
December 16, 2015 8:54 pm

R squared = 0.44. Slightly better but not much.

James Francisco
December 16, 2015 9:19 am

Patrick Moore stated in one of his presentations that only about half of the CO2 emitted by human activity shows up in the atmosphere. This is the only time I have heard this. I thought that it was very interesting if true. I assume that if that is true that it is being absorbed by the vegetation and oceans.

Jim Ross
Reply to  James Francisco
December 16, 2015 9:26 am

James,
This has been “known” for a long time (provided that you accept the estimated emissions data). See the link I provided up-thread, where the proportion remaining in the atmosphere is estimated to be 45% (having decreased from 60% over recent times. The proportion going into the terrestrial and oceaninc sinks can be estimated from the oxygen balance model that I mentioned.

Reply to  James Francisco
December 16, 2015 9:27 am

IPCC contains the seeds of its own destruction.
If you work the numbers on IPCC AR5 Figure 6.1 you will discover that anthro C is partitioned 57/43 between natural sequestration and atmospheric retention. (555 – 240 = 315 PgC & 240/555) IMO this arbitrary partition was “assumed” in order to “prove” (i.e. make the numbers work) that anthro C was solely/90% responsible for the 112 ppmv atmos CO2 increase between 1750 – 2011. C is not CO2.
PgC * 3.67 = PgCO2 * 0.1291 = ppmv atmospheric CO2
IPCC AR5 Figure 6.1
…………………………………….PgC/y……ppmv/y
FF & Land Use Source…….8.9……….4.22
Ocean & Land Sink…………4.9……… 2.32
Net Source.……………….…..4.0……….1.90
If the anthro 8.9 Pg C/y (4.2 ppmv CO2/y) suddenly vanishes the natural cycle that remains would be a constant sink of 2.3 ppmv CO2/y. Reverse extrapolation (GCMs & RCPs apply forward extrapolation) calculates that 121 years in the past (278 ppmv CO2/2.3 ppmv CO2) or the year 1629 (1750-121) atmos CO2 would have been 0, zero, nadda, zip, nowhere to be found.
Oh, what a tangled web they wove!
The 8.9 Pg of anthro C simply vanishes in earth’s 45,000 plus Pg C cauldron of stores and fluxes. Mankind’s egoistic, egocentric, conceit means less than nothing to the earth, the solar system and the universe.

December 16, 2015 9:29 am

High correlation and presence of pause in the NOAA’s geomagnetic data
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/GT-GMF1.gif
unless some other mechanism is involved it points to the Svensmark’s hypothesis variant, where the geomagnetic rather than the heliospheric magnetic field might be the important factor. The nine year delay might be to do with the oceans global heat distribution.

urederra
December 16, 2015 9:38 am

Thanks Ken, I have been looking for temperature vs. CO2 concentration graphs for some time. Your graphs prove that there is no correlation. So, the CAGW theory is falsified. The rest is politics.

rd50
Reply to  urederra
December 16, 2015 9:57 am
Reply to  rd50
December 16, 2015 10:07 am

The negative correlation of temperature with CO2 would stretch back another decade at least. And HadCRUT, like the other “surface data set” books, have been cooked to a crisp.

DD More
Reply to  urederra
December 16, 2015 2:24 pm

Thanks to AJB, here is another way to look at it. 1st derivative style.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/06/it-would-not-matter-if-trenberth-was-correct-now-includes-january-data/#comment-1876593
AJB March 6, 2015 at 5:31 am
“In addition, the upward sloping blue line at the top indicates that CO2 has steadily increased over this period.”
But you have the wrong relationship of CO2 to temperature.
Try: δCO2/δt = λT
i.e. relate the rate of change of CO2 concentration to temperature. Like this.
http://postimg.org/image/a153d8xan/full/
It shouldn’t need pointing out that despite consumption of fossil fuels accelerating, the rate of change of CO2 has remained static (i.e. has not accelerated) over the hiatus period either. But there are some who must believe that the Mt Pinatubo and Mt Hudson eruptions sequestered CO2. Or the Amazon basin, etc. held its breath for a couple of years. Maybe all SUVs, planes and powerplants were mothballed but I can’t say I noticed that 🙂

December 16, 2015 9:54 am

How much work, if any, has been done on the ability of the oceans to dissolve and outgas CO2 under the partial pressure it now has and at current ocean temperatures? IOW, how much CO2 would we expect the oceans to give off for each degree increase in surface temps? That sort of thing.

Dawtgtomis
December 16, 2015 10:02 am

Thank you Ken Stewart, a productive effort at critical analysis. I wish there was a way to compare the effects of water vapor in this too. Would that correlate in any way, as the most potent greenhouse sustainer?

December 16, 2015 10:06 am

Regarding energy use explaining 99% of the CO2 increase: I see appearance this figure is the correlation rate between a line and a curve on a graph.
I think a more accurate figure is all of it, because carbon budget figures show that atmospheric CO2 increase is less than fossil fuel contributions – nature has been a net sink ever since good annual figures became available, starting in1959. http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/global-carbon-budget-2010

December 16, 2015 10:17 am

It is settled that “climate science” is unsettled, but real science falsifies the failed hypothesis of catastrophic man-made GW. This insanity will have a political solution, since the anti-scientific scam was political from the git-go.

Marcus
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
December 16, 2015 10:42 am

2016 elections will put this beast to bed in the U.S….Go Cruzin’….

richardscourtney
December 16, 2015 10:31 am

Donald L. Klipstein:
You say

Regarding energy use explaining 99% of the CO2 increase: I see appearance this figure is the correlation rate between a line and a curve on a graph.
I think a more accurate figure is all of it, because carbon budget figures show that atmospheric CO2 increase is less than fossil fuel contributions – nature has been a net sink ever since good annual figures became available, starting in1959. http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/global-carbon-budget-2010

Sorry, but it is silly to assert that because “atmospheric CO2 increase is less than fossil fuel contributions” the fossil fuel contributions must be causal of the rise in atmospheric CO2.
Natural emissions are an order of magnitude more that the “fossil fuel contributions” so – using the same logic – natural CO2 emissions must be a much greater cause of the rise than the “fossil fuel contributions”.
And the fact that nature has been a net sink only indicates that the sequestration of CO2 has been increasing. What can be said is that the “fossil fuel contributions” are greater than the increase to sequestration. And, of course, the natural CO2 emission is much more than the increase to sequestration.
Indeed, the rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is equivalent to about half the “fossil fuel contributions”. Therefore, using your simplistic assumptions, if the “fossil fuel contributions” had been zero then atmospheric CO2 concentration would have fallen to problematically low levels.
In reality, your comment says nothing about what the rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration would have been if the “fossil fuel contributions” had been zero.
Richard

Robertvd
December 16, 2015 11:41 am

I don’t think we can do a lot about Global temperature as long as atmospheric pressure does not change.

December 16, 2015 11:49 am

But, but, but I can see those AGW fanatics.keyboards getting their counter arguments ready and when those fail, their pathetic attack the messenger posts and then when they have really failed countless mind numbing links to the Guardian and Skeptikalscience or whatever..

sarastro92
December 16, 2015 12:31 pm

Been waiting for this piece… very timely.
I’ve always contended that what occurred is that there were three El Ninos between 1983-1998, and that the opportunists looked at the is impact and screamed that CO2 did it… until the Pause, when the nominal relation they imputed to CO2 ended…
That’s why the Pause has to erased at all cost… which means grossly and brazenly “warm” the data for temperature, SLR etc.

December 16, 2015 1:00 pm

The real danger the World faces is a return of the inevitable glaciation period which has, in the past, proved very hard on animal life. An increase in CO2 levels to 1,000 ppm would be good for vegetation and an increase in average temperature by 2 or 3 degrees would have little effect on the tropics and would extend agriculture in temperate and polar areas to everyone’s benefit. We need to keep our eye on the main proven danger.

December 16, 2015 1:19 pm

Let’s turn the Control Knob on Climate way up to its Cambrian setting, 7000 ppm, ie four CO2 doublings from present 400 ppm, plus a bit more. According to the IPCC’s best guess at ECS, ie 3 degrees C per doubling of CO2, that means that the Cambrian should have been about 13 degrees C warmer than now, or a blazing 27 degrees C. But it wasn’t. Its mean surface temperature has been estimated at 21 degrees C, which includes the Late Cambrian when CO2 levels might have been a little lower. Earth has rarely if ever exceeded 25 degrees C during the Phanerozoic.
And bear in mind that the IPCC says ECS could be 4.5 degrees C, in order to be able to plot scary graphs.
There was an ice age at the end of the following Ordovician Period, with CO2 still over 4200 ppm.

Global cooling
December 16, 2015 1:31 pm

Curious about the numbers in figure 2. Y-axis is likely the CO2 concentration in ppm in a given year and X-axis maybe the energy usage in millions of oil units in the given year. Right? Meaning that the more there is CO2 in the atmosphere the more mankind will use energy ?
What if we look at the CO2 emissions in a given year and the increase of CO2 in the stratosphere in a given year. We could even use the same units (of mass) in both axis.

David Riser
Reply to  Global cooling
December 16, 2015 2:03 pm

The energy vs CO2 graph is bogus, I would like to see the data of both sets being used and the units for the energy. Energy use has not been linear over that period so I suspect some graph trickery. I am also for rigorous use of statistics. just because minitab or excel pops out a r2 of 98 or 99 means nothing if the units are not the same.
v/r,
David Riser

Reply to  David Riser
December 16, 2015 2:57 pm

Links to the data sources are in the article. Check for yourself.
KS

David Riser
Reply to  David Riser
December 16, 2015 3:13 pm

I did look at the data and its not anything like linear, its a variable growth over time which has changed drastically over the time period. so it would be a series of curves not a straight line. But you squish down a Y axes good enough and it all comes out. Certainly its not in ppm or anything else related directly to carbon. unrelated straight line graph fitting doesn’t mean anything.
v/r,
David Riser

Reply to  Global cooling
December 16, 2015 3:10 pm

Sorry I didn’t label the axes as I should have. You are correct, and we can look at it either way. Which is more plausible?
KS

David Riser
Reply to  kenskingdom
December 16, 2015 3:20 pm

Well you should convert the energy to CO2 released to the atmosphere and covert to ppm or convert the ppm to PGC or PGCO2 all being different. Pick one covert then check your fit using the same units. If your using annual average for both that is probably ok except that CO2 is cyclical so really you need to do monthly average. or something to that effect. Reality is you can’t get a perfect fit with cyclical data vs some kind of curved observational data. Perhaps using the annual cycle might give a better fit, but statistically your walking on ice as to appropriateness. There are tests to use to see if the data is linear enough and sometimes using a linear fit just isn’t the right way to go.
v/r,
David Riser

Reply to  kenskingdom
December 16, 2015 3:24 pm

Kenskingdom-
You didn’t label the axes as you should have. Why didn’t you?
David Riser is correct and we can look at it either way. Thank you for admitting that.
Science by plausibility instead of proofs is just educated guessing isn’t it?

Reply to  kenskingdom
December 16, 2015 4:59 pm

David Riser:
Why should units be the same? So by that logic we shouldn’t plot units of temperature against units of time? All you see is annual average atmospheric concentration of CO2 in ppm plotted against annual energy consumption in million tonnes of oil equivalent. What you see is what you get.

Reply to  kenskingdom
December 16, 2015 5:10 pm

Aphan:
Pure oversight.
There is a strong relationship between growth in energy use and growth in CO2 concentration, just as there is between say job responsibility and salary. I trust no one suggests that merely increasing salary level leads to more job responsibilities.

Reply to  kenskingdom
December 16, 2015 6:55 pm

Ken said:
“There is a strong relationship between growth in energy use and growth in CO2 concentration, just as there is between say job responsibility and salary. I trust no one suggests that merely increasing salary level leads to more job responsibilities.”
There is a VERY big difference between saying “there is a strong relationship/correlation” and stating the following as if it’s a fact :” the recent increase in carbon dioxide concentrations is almost entirely anthropogenic” and you didn’t perform the necessary steps required by logic to go from “strong correlation” to undeniable fact.
What you actually did WAS the equivalent of saying “the recent salary increase was almost entirely due to increased job responsibilities”!!!
Your conclusions about CO2 may indeed be valid, but the premises you used to establish that conclusion are not. And in scientific discussions, you’re asking a LOT to expect readers to just wander through the muck accepting your oversights and illogical assumptions just because your conclusion is valid.

Reply to  kenskingdom
December 16, 2015 9:29 pm

Athan:
There may be an entirely innocent explanation for the strong relationship between energy use and CO2 concentration. I used to subscribe to the theory that temperature increase caused the CO2 increase, and energy use was co-incidental, but not any more. Temperature change especially following ENSO events precedes a small variation in CO2, but that is overwhelmed by the continuing increase in concentration. There has not been a decrease in 12 month averaged CO2 (from January to January, February to February, etc) since the Mauna Loa record started.
I refer you to a rather long but informative article on this topic by Ferdinand Engelbeen at WUWT on 25/11.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/25/about-spurious-correlations-and-causation-of-the-co2-increase-2/
KS

myNym
Reply to  kenskingdom
December 17, 2015 3:01 am

Ken, according to the ice core records, CO2 increases follow temperature increases with a lag of about 200 to 800 years.
All of the recent increases in CO2 may be a result of the warming since the Little Ice Age. That should be your null hypothesis.

David Riser
Reply to  kenskingdom
December 17, 2015 6:32 am

Ken,
I reread what I wrote, I wasn’t very clear. You Cant use differing data types in a scatter plot and call it statistics. You do this several times PPT vs MTons, and Tanomalies vs PPT. What you have done here means nothing. Using annual averages of a linear growth vs a cyclic growth vs a chaotic growth is also pretty awful. Why is that you say. Because your trying to say one causes the other, but on short time scales this is obviously false. So there are confounding variables built into your assumptions that you have not identified.
So if you want to determine the proportion of anthropogenic CO2 you must do as close an approximation to inputs and outputs into the atmosphere of CO2 to determine this. Obviously no one has been able to do that. Dr. Salby makes a pretty good shot at it but he understands the limitations of our knowledge. Hopefully this new CO2 satellite will help.
v/r,
David Riser

Phil's Dad
December 16, 2015 3:13 pm

Although the discussions above are interesting; this is the most important statement in the article:
“Not only that, but we’ll stay below 2 degrees of warming without the need for any emissions reductions!”
This is why the control freaks have moved the goal posts to 1.5 degrees – unless anyone has a different explanation? Please.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Phil's Dad
December 16, 2015 3:47 pm

Phil’s Dad
You say

Although the discussions above are interesting; this is the most important statement in the article:
“Not only that, but we’ll stay below 2 degrees of warming without the need for any emissions reductions!”
This is why the control freaks have moved the goal posts to 1.5 degrees – unless anyone has a different explanation? Please

Yes, and I refer you to my post in this thread here which is immediately followed by the reply to it from the author of the above essay.
Additionally, I point out that the IPCC says there is no known way for humans to knowingly act to stop “global temperatures” rising by more than 1.5°C or 2.0°C from pre-industrial values.
Chapter 2 from Working Group 3 in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (2001) says; “no systematic analysis has published on the relationship between mitigation and baseline scenarios”, and no subsequent IPCC Report has amended that because there is still no published systematic analysis of the “relationship between mitigation and baseline scenarios”.
So, the IPCC says that at present the likely effect – if any – of any CO2 emission constraints aimed at avoiding a 1.5°C or 2.0°C rise is not known.
Richard

Phil's Dad
Reply to  richardscourtney
December 16, 2015 5:12 pm

Thanks Richard (and to Lubos on another thread for saying largely the same).
I in no way disagree with what (either of) you say.
I was just trying to create an opportunity for someone to put forward a rational explanation why 1.5 degrees is OK but 2 degrees isn’t (any more).
So far, nothing.
Since COP is only now asking the IPCC to come up with a paper supporting 1.5, I am left with the impression that the “science” on this has yet to be done.
So is the 1.5 figure based only on their fear that 2 degrees will not be breached even without restrictions (or taxes or anything else)?
Surely not!
Someone must know why the sudden shift from 2 to 1.5.
Anyone?

December 16, 2015 6:48 pm

Thanks for the article Ken. I enjoyed it and the discussion.
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Energy, Carbon Dioxide, and The Pause
Guest Blogger / 13 hours ago December 16, 2015
Guest essay by Ken Stewart
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However, correlation can be demonstrated with many things. A while back I prepared this graphic for my children related to how house prices (CO2) keep rising but TOTAL sales have gone flat (TAMPERATURE).
Enjoy. (Totally devoid of science – merely an example.) These sorts of curves and their hockey stick counterparts show up all over. Might as well have some Yuletide fun.comment image?dl=0

December 16, 2015 6:49 pm

IPCC AR5 lays out 4 possibilities: RCPs 2.5. 4.5, 6.0, 8.5 W/m^2. Each of these corresponds to a predicted level of CO2, RF, and temperature increase. They have been adjusted over the various reports.

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
December 16, 2015 7:39 pm

Some time back I through the comments, I referred my publication Agricultural and Forest Meteorology 77 (1995) 113-120, with reference to pause in temperature. The greenhouse gases effect follow inverted ‘Z’ shape pattern in conversion of energy in to temperature with the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. In the present article — Between 336 to 400 ppm of CO2 presented a relation of 0.0063 X, and between 370 to 400 ppm of CO2 presented 0.0004 X [pause].
This is exactly what I presented in my article with reference to relative growth or relative yield versus relative radiation stress or relative water stress or relative nutrient stress wherein maximum impact is in the slant line part shown in inverted Z. The horizontal portion in the present case started around 370 ppm – pause. The initial horizontal part might have ended at around 150 ppm [250 ppm ???]. The slant portion was maximum in between 150 [250 ???] to 370 ppm of CO2. With more accurate temperature data that takes in to account the rural-cold-island effect will provide the correct limits to CO2 for starting of slant portion and starting of pause.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

December 16, 2015 8:56 pm
paqyfelyc
Reply to  goldminor
December 17, 2015 1:08 am

that’s the usual effect of caps : just the way people drive near maximum speed limit, governments will drive emissions as close to the 2° limit set in Paris as possible.

December 17, 2015 12:58 am

Hypothesis:
From a warming pov, CO2 is an inverse fractal in relation to water vapor – akin to positive and negative space. If water vapor cannot be modelled because of its (fractal) variance in time and space (and therefore discounted as a “climate control knob”), neither can the radiative result of CO2 – even though CO2 is a non-condensing (and allegedly “well-mixed”) GHG and H2O is a condensing, not well-mixed GHG.
Put another way: Water vapor, being a condensing GHG, varies fractally in time and space. CO2, being a non-condensing GHG, is said to have a roughly uniform radiative forcing effect, and therefore can be modelled (conveniently for consensus AGW theory).
But to the degree that CO2 can only “mop up” infrared left over after what water vapor has already thermalized via its massively larger volume in the atmosphere and massively larger absorption bands, the radiative role of CO2 is basically like negative space to H2O’s positive space.
If this were true, it would seem to destroy the distinction between water vapor as a “feedback” and CO2 as a “forcing” — would it?

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Rhyzotika
December 17, 2015 1:10 am

makes sense

December 17, 2015 1:15 am

OR as Gloateus Maximus said up above:
“Water vapor is far and away the most important GHG. Most of the added effect of CO2 occurs in the first 200 ppm. After that, the effect diminishes. At most absorption bands, gaseous water and carbon dioxide overlap. CO2 is significant only where H2O is very low, as over the polar deserts.”