Activists demand UN ‘revoke’ credentials of ‘climate deniers’ in Paris – Claim ‘Climate Hustle’ film is ‘full of lies’ – without seeing it – Warn skeptics may ‘derail’ UN treaty
THE AUSTRALIAN, DECEMBER 7, 2015 12:00AM
Graham Lloyd – Environment Editor
Sydney: Green groups want alternative views on climate science silenced in Paris, with a call for delegates with contrarian opinions to be ejected from the UN talks.
Sceptic groups such as the Heartland Institute have started to arrive in the French capital, sparking fears among environment groups that they will derail proceedings using funds from fossil fuel interests.
A new documentary, Climate Hustle, was due to be premiered in Paris tonight (Monday). Producers claim it will be for nonbelievers what Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth was for the converted.
Climate change action lobby group SumOfUs has pushed back with an international campaign to raise funds for a counter offensive.
The group has planned a major advertising campaign in France’s biggest-selling newspapers.
It has called on UN organisers to revoke the conference credentials “of the most disingenuous climate deniers”…
“Some of the ‘world’s most notorious climate deniers’ had crashed the French proceedings ‘in a last-minute attempt to derail the whole thing’.”
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Typical extremists. Blame those with no power for their pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes. The Emperor is getting laughed at because of the extremists, not the skeptics.
Can any one say “safe zone”? The so-called adults have finally regressed to the level of the college “cry bullies”.
I guess believing it will be full of lies before ever seeing it when it’s being toted as The Inconvenient Truth for sceptics is just a tacit admission that The Inconvenient Truth was garbage. Mission accomplished?
Rather, hoisted by their own petard.
A better strategy would be to turn Al Gore loose on the offending parties. Judging from the “swooning reporter” film-strip, when Al bloviates, all the surrounding oxygen is used up and his target drops like a rock.
Aha … the Al Gore rhythm
As far as I can find out, Greenpeace have an annual income at least 10 times that of the Heartland Institute. SumOfUs apparently has 60% of Heartland’s income, and Avaaz nearly 3 times Heartland’s income. I don’t share Heartland’s views on many things, but they would seem to be David to the pseudo-greens’ Goliath.
The one admirable character in the Iliad is Thersites, who tells the truth to Agamemnon and is beaten up by Odysseus for doing so. Using force to shut up tellers of unwelcome truths has a long history. Odysseus himself would have been better off if he’d listened to Thersites. True things can stand questioning; it’s only falsehoods that need to fear debate.
“Claim ‘Climate Hustle’ film is ‘full of lies’ – without seeing it ” I have not seen it, but I have caught Morano in one lie about the film. He wrongly claimed that scientists no longer believe aerosols from burning fossil fuels led to cooling mid 20th century. It does not inspire much confidence.
Pssst….Seaass1; PDO.
Perhaps you’ve heard of it?
But don’t feel bad Seaice 1 Mainstream Climate scientists hadn’t hear of the PDO, NAO or Enso until the pause. Now they are trying bend these to their abuses.
You see, it doesn’t matter whether the actual cooling was due to PDO or not. Morano claimed that scientists no longer claim it was aerosols. He was wrong. They do. Huge mistake for someone trying to poke holes in other peoples’ utterances.
Once again seaice demonstrates that he either never reads the responses to him, or is incapable of understanding them.
MarkW.
“Just because you refuse to believe something does not make it a lie.” No, but if you say someone said something they did not say, then that is a lie. This is what I accuse Morano of.
Please give me the benefit of you superior understanding to explain what I have not understood.
I say Morano is wrong when he says scientists no longer believe aerosols from fossil fuels cooled the Earth mid 20th century. The evidence that he is wrong is that sites like Skeptical Science say:
“Climate scientists believe that the primary cause of this mid-century cooling was an increase in atmospheric aerosols due to anthropogenic emissions (primarily from the burning of fossil fuels).”
This directly contradicts what Morano said. Therefore when Morano says “they now say it never happened” he is wrong, as you can see from the quote above.
All I get in response is cryptic comments about PDO, with no explanation of the significance.
I surmise that this is a reference to PDO as an alternative explanation of mid century cooling.
However, if you read carefully, you will see that my claim was never about the cause of mid century cooling. It was about what climate scientists say is the cause. It does not matter one jot to this argument whether PDO or aerosols were the actual cause. To repeat, my arguent is that when Morano says climate scientists deny that anthropogenic aerosol cooling ever happened he is wrong.
Just because you refuse to believe something does not make it a lie.
If they think so little of their “science” that they believe a handful of fringe deniers could derail the entire movement, then maybe we should also think very little of their “science.”
Oh wait… 🙂
We can’t have anybody pointing out that the emperor is naked.
“Claim ‘Climate Hustle’ film is ‘full of lies’ – without seeing it”
Well, of course they would say it is “full of lies”. They don’t need to see it to say that.
Remember, to the Warmists, “lies” are facts, data, and proper conclusions drawn from real world observations.
“… claim it will be for nonbelievers what Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth was for the converted.”
If there’s still anyone left out there who thinks this is all about science, rather than faith, that quasi religious statement should be a final wake up call.
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/05/22/the-age-of-unenlightenment/
Pointman
The original piece by Graham Lloyd at The Australian is here: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/paris-climate-talks-greens-want-muzzle-on-climate-deniers/news-story/4ccecc011cf6053b88abf076f598f74d
Better to let the opposition speak their piece, rebut it with specifics and move on. Preemptive, sweeping attacks are ugly, counterproductive and unfortunate.
Why are the proponents of the observationally challenged hypothesis of significant AGW so worried?
Are they worried because they fear that believers in their problematic hypothesis are so gullible in accepting the hypothesis that they are gullible enough to accept alternate hypotheses such as dominate natural climate variation? In other words, do they fear that their tribe is on shaky ground wrt common sense & objective research?
Their insecurity betrays their weakness.
John
Sounds to me like they are trying to set up scapegoats in advance to explain why this conference will fail as badly as the previous ones.
sparking fears among environment groups that they will derail proceedings using funds from fossil fuel interests.
Yes only pure tax payer, NGO and wind/solar funds are pure enough for their truth.
MarkW,
If there was a commodity market segment in ‘scapegoat’ futures then we could make a fortune knowing right now that after the Paris climate meeting there is going to be a huge demand for scapegoats.
: )
John
DD More,
Avaaz appears to condone funding prejudice and bigotry. My, my, my . . . it does whines on so.
John
This is probably the very best sign that the conference is a complete failure… No matter what is claimed afterwards. Nothing has a greater impact on the general population like blatant injustice and dictatorial displays of the privileged elite. GK
Good point! I’ll take much if not all of the blame if it would help.
And from the Edmonton Journal today:
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/competition-bureau-should-probe-claims-of-climate-change-deniers-u-of-a-prof-says
“A Canadian environmental organization is calling on the Competition Bureau to investigate “misleading” information about global warming put out by groups that deny climate change is happening.
Ecojustice is concerned about messages from groups including Calgary’s Friends of Science Society, which has produced billboards in Edmonton and Calgary with such statements as “Global Warming? Not for 18+ years!” and “The sun is the main driver of climate change. Not you. Not CO2.””
What competition are they talking about? Has there been predatory pricing of carbon credits? Collusion of windmill companies on dividing up markets? Selling of wind strength futures after the bell? Or have they just been dumping their watermelons below cost. These idiots had never heard of the Competition Bureau before. Must have seen reference to it in a newspaper and thoroughly misunderstood its purpose.
UofA Prof – that about says it Gary.
“What competition are they talking about?”
See:
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.wordpress.com/2015/12/04/friends-of-science-society-statement-on-ecojustice-complaint-to-competition-bureau/
It is almost like the advances of Western thought and the Enlightenment have been overtuned by an return to base values of emotiional manipilation.
The logical argument (and logical rebuttal)is forgotten to ad hominem attacks.
The scientific theory of theory, experiment and conclusion are distorted.
The most repulsive crimes of murder and rape have been replaced by offending opinion or use of proscribed words. That to challenge an individuals opinion is a ” hate crime”.
Voltaire is often quoted but I think on this occasion Galileo is more apt. ” But, still it moves.” The truth will out and to conclude as a a tribute to the AGW adherents.
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away
I guess the only ‘works’ of Ozzie of Egypt left to “Look on..” was what the sculptor gave him.
“Group Think” at its worst.
Critics of the early 20th century eugenics movement were also heavily slandered and defamed in many of the same ways.
From Eugenics and Other Evils: Arguments Against the Scientifically Organized State:
“That much-longed-for day [state controlled reproduction] could never come as long as there remained within society, groups that were educated and articulate opponents of state-control over reproduction. Hence the fury in which eugenicists…attack and attempt to slander their opponents.”
We’re seeing the exact same thing here, but at least this time we’re dealing with mostly Chicken Littles, Tweedledees and Dumbs, but not Adolf Hitler.
Nothing has changed. Now, if you support any aspect of eugenics then you will be heavily slandered.
Hitler has a lot to answer for. He misunderstood and abused both Darwinian evolution and eugenics.
Just because Hitler got it wrong, doesn’t mean that the theory has no merits.
Eugenics isn’t much of a theory and more of a philosophy. The science behind it will be completely replaced by genetics yesterday. Just like climate science, the science behind eugenics was hijacked by politicians.
Yeah, luckily the science of genetics will now allow us to rid ourselves finally of such horrors as lactose intolerance.
I despise all kinds of intolerance, and lactose intolerance is the worst.
It should not be tolerated.
Well now, don’t that just beat all.
Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
Sounds like the Climate Cultists are desperate for their own “safe space,” where no contrary opinions are ever heard.
Can people understand, now, why America needs someone like Donald Trump to be President?
Under Donald Trump, all this climate change rubbish will whither and die, as will political correctness, and as will the UN’s AGENDA 21. Without a President Donald Trump playing ball with the UN and global warming environmentalists like Obama/Clinton have done, the house of cards will come crashing down.
After Copenhagen, it was about to come down until Obama intervened and gave the whole fraud life again.
How does a fraud give life to a fraud?
Does anyone that reads anything on this blog truly believe that this “climate change movement” is about “science and saving the planet?” I didn’t think so. Do you really think facts or truthful arguments is going to change anything? I hope not because this is a political issue. In this day and age, few are the politicians that don’t make decisions purely for the purpose of garnishing more real wealth from the people and distributing it amongst the few, and drawing more “authority” to themselves. This is about a world government that will control the future and the future growth of the human race. Stop thinking that this is going to go away because you can prove what the climate crisis crowd is saying is bullcrap. It isn’t. They will end up with their one world government sooner or later because we don’t actually go after the politicians and throw the bastards out of office that are driving this farce. It isn’t being driven by the climate frauds that are creating the scare data – they are only part of the vehicle, like the engine of a car. They are not in the driver’s seat directing which way the car goes, they only supply the power. If you continue to think this is going to go away because “truth wins out in the end,” I’ve got a bridge or two that I would love to sell you, dirt cheap.
in reply to Warren Latham’s comment yesterday December 7, 2015 at 2:18 am
Nice collection. Better is ‘climate jihadists’, it covers the full behaviour spectrum.