I’m traveling today, so updates will be few and far between, so here is the opportunity to have a broad discussion. Our usual caveats apply which you can review here.
Normal programming will resume when practical.
I’m traveling today, so updates will be few and far between, so here is the opportunity to have a broad discussion. Our usual caveats apply which you can review here.
Normal programming will resume when practical.
Constant acceleration force, experienced as gravity, results in the increase of mass with time.
Increase of mass with time results in the constant acceleration force, experienced as gravity.
Friedman postulated in his equation that mass is constant in every system of coordinates. It is not. This monumental error resulted in the Big Bang Creation Theory and in the whole confusion in the 20th century cosmology.
According to Foyle & Narlikar, m = at^2, where “a” is a universal constant.
And here I thought it was d=at²
How could Newton have gotten it so wrong?
I think these go a long way to describing what is wrong with current methodologies/ideologies regarding Al Gore’s Warming:
Summary – http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/11/11/Idea-of-slow-climate-change-in-the-past-is-flawed-researchers-say/5681447257780/
More detailed info – http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/151110/ncomms9890/full/ncomms9890.html
Hope these make it as front page news, not just here, but everywhere.
Do I understand correctly that the warmist criticism of the temperature-monitoring satellites is that the satellite temperatures might be accurate for the bulk of the atmosphere, but for whatever reason, they are not accurate right at the surface where AGW is a concern, unlike ground-based temperature monitors that are supposedly accurate?
I understand that the satellite temperatures have been calibrated using accurate balloon temperatures. If these balloons are brought to ground level, do the balloon temperatures agree with the satellites or do they agree with the ground-based temp monitors?
Are the ground-based and satellite-derived ground temperatures identical in places other than where a heat bubble effect might be a factor? Are the satellites agreeing with the temperatures from ground-based monitors in places where the heat bubble effect may be in play?
Or is there a better way to characterize the controversy between ground and satellite-based temperature monitors?
I have a question about water vapor. I am sure I wrong about a bunch of things.
what happens when humidity turns into clouds to both insolation and the greenhouse values? I mean, isn’t this a funky question because water vapor’s absorption spectrum overlaps CO2’s?
Say it’s a very humid and zero clouds. The humidity is sharing space with the CO2 and so the CO2 does very little (?) … but at the same time there is full insolation because no inbound lwr is hitting the top of a cloud.
Suddenly the humidity turns into a thick clouds & the air becomes super dry. Somehow … presto, full CO2 greenhouse effect (now it’s blackbody radiation matters) … meanwhile the clouds stop some inbound lwr, = less insolation
anyway my point is , if it is like this, then is possible clouds do not do very much the temperature of the Earth?
[sort of parallel to how arctic sea ice doesn’t matter that much because the when the insolation goes up, so the heat lost to space?]
Thick clouds and dry air do not coexist at the same spot. Equilibrium of evaporation & sublimation with condensation is present. Vertical circulation is needed to grow rain droplets. If rain droplets fall through dry air, they evaporate. The process is called Virga.
Thanks for the that. Interesting.
I would just add that I wasn’t saying there *would be* dry air & thick clouds together. Rather I wanted to ask a question by making a contrast.
In the recent article in Climate Etc, defending the Karl et. al revision of SSTs, the authors state: “As an aside, the decision to adjust buoys up to ERIs or ERIs down to buoys should nominally be trend neutral. Indeed, in their work on HadSST3 Kennedy and colleagues explicitly tested this, and found ‘no appreciable difference’ on trends.”
The obvious question should be, “If there is no difference, then why did Karl et. al adopt the unusual procedure of adjusting state-of-the-art buoy temperatures up to align with older data with a known hot-bias when they should have known it would be controversial? Might it have been so that they could claim that the actual temperatures (versus anomalies) were still increasing?
Because we have two different measurements. ERI’s apparently read higher than bouys. Imagine the difference was 10°C instead of 0.1°C. When all readings are ERI’s everything is OK as far as spotting trends goes. If we introduce one bouy with a reading 10°C lower, we will apparently see a reduction in average temperature. If we introduce an increasing number of bouys, each with a 10°C lower reading, we will see an apparent downward trend. We need to correct for the difference between the bouy and the ERI. As far as the trend goes, it doesn’t matter if we adjust the ERI down 10°C or the bouy up 10°C. We will remove the false trend that occured because we were introducing more and more bouys. This is similar to ERI in °F and bouys in °C.
I think you would agree that it would be crazy not to make the correction. It doesn’t matter if we measure in F or C, as long as we are consistent.
Seaice,
Yes, it would be crazy not to correct the data when a problem has been identified. But, you missed the whole point! The conventional approach to concatenating outputs of different sensors is to adjust lower quality data to match higher quality data. So, I’ll restate my question:” Why would they use an unconventional procedure when they should have known it would be controversial?” There should be a good reason for deviating from standard practices and I have not seen that reason stated. Stating that it makes no difference in trends is not a good reason, it is a rationalization. For them to know that it made no difference in trends, they would have had to do the corrections both ways before publication. Why not go with the conventional procedure and avoid that issue?
The Belgian Delegation to the Paris Climate Conference:
http://www.leif.org/research/The-Belgian-Delegation-Paris.png
Speaking of unthreaded
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/11/new-science-20-its-not-co2-so-what-is-the-main-cause-of-global-warming/#comment-1765837
Over recent weeks I have been going through my VHS tapes while I still have a functioning Player, then digitising my collection of purchased tapes as well as some programs I’ve recorded myself. This morning I came across a Beyond 2000 special, “Climate in Crises” that aired in 1989, 26 years ago. Below are a few notes I jotted down. I have uploaded the video to youtube here. If interested watch it now just in case somebody has it pulled because of copyright.
“ At the eight minute mark our host states, as the greenhouse heats the planet, the oceans will warm and as they warm they will expand, it means that in maybe just 40 years time the see level will be (spreading her arms) about this much higher. That’s about a meter than it is today, now it might not seem like much but it will cause tens of millions of people in Bangladesh in Egypt and in other low lying countries to lose their homes and their farmland, it will mean that some countries will disappear entirely”. We are now twenty six years into that forty year time span, by now if her prediction had any legs we should already seen a rise of seventy five centimeters.
She then goes on to state Han Island in Papua is already being inundated by rising seas, then contradicts herself by explaining that Han’s inundation is caused by changing currents and not climate change, hoping that the vision of affected shore line will carry more wait than her true statement of the cause.
About seventeen and a half minutes or so in our old friend David Attenborough speaks of the possible loss of Kirtland’s Warbler due to the probable loss of the Jack Pine forest in Michigan, all this was supposed to happened already, “the models said so”. A quick google search finds that the warbler is making a comeback and the State Forestry runs guided Kirtland’s Warbler tours . So much for that doom and gloom story.
At about the thirty minute mark they actually admit that CO2 acts as a plant fertiliser, but claim it is the major green house gas, did no one tell them of the greenhouse properties of water vapor. Later they admit renewable energy can’t compete, not because it is expensive but because fossil energy is unrealistically low.
In closing remarks they say “The United Nations believes we have just ten years left to stop the planet from spiralling into a catastrophic green house effect, just ten years left to put the greenhouse solutions into action” We are now sixteen years past the U.N.’s deadline and all seems well to me.
It’s interesting to watch now with the benefit of hindsight.
Wow, what a great retrospective.
Well done.
Enjoyed it immensely.
Han Island, 9+00 minutes into the video, still there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@-4.7819718,155.4675973,1500m/data=!3m1!1e3
Ah Open Thread … hmmm what a nice idea
Sometimes it takes walking back thru the history to figure out how to fix something.
Currently reading
http://environmentalismgonemad.com/
Alan Carlin
Good read about a retired senior policy analyst living thru the emergence of CAGW at EPA.
Makes connections, names, where and how proposed regs got rammed thru. Talks a good bit about how the Supreme Court piece got done. Also addresses styles of attack of the movement as well as his slow but steady awakening to the bad science.
So far so good.
Learning sumthin.
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/11/26/ap-fact-check-on-climate-science-most-gop-candidates-fail/21273556/
Supposedly this was a test of knowledge of climate science. “Scientists” evaluated statements on climate made by candidates, and found Hilary scored a 94 with Sanders close behind, and Cruz a 6. We need to see the statements and evaluate them ourselves.. A list of the “scientists” would be nice too.
These government-paid “self-called scientists” are fighting for their agency’s funding, their credibility, and their own publicity.
Interesting posting just in from ScienceDaily “2015 likely to be warmest on record, 2011-2015 warmest five year period” The global average surface temperature in 2015 is likely to be the warmest on record and to reach the symbolic and significant milestone of 1° Celsius above the pre-industrial era. This is due to a combination of a strong El Niño and human-induced global warming.
See more at http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151125233741.htm