Claim: Paris Terrorist Atrocity was a Big Oil Plot

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t JoNova – The Ecologist speculates that the aim of the ISIS terrorists, who have claimed responsibility for the recent Paris terrorist atrocity, might have been aimed at protecting ISIS’ oil business from an anticipated new climate agreement.

According to The Ecologist;

Is it a coincidence that the terrorist outrage in Paris was committed weeks before COP21, the biggest climate conference since 2009? Perhaps, writes Oliver Tickell. But failure to reach a strong climate agreement now looks more probable. And that’s an outcome that would suit ISIS – which makes $500m a year from oil sales – together with other oil producers.

But we must also ask: Why Paris? And why now?

Yes, France has been especially active in its air strikes against ISIS in Syria. And yes, there there is a huge reservoir of discontent among the socially excluded youth of the banlieue, the concrete jungle of impoverished outer suburbs that surround Paris and other big cities – where ISIS can perhaps find willing recruits to its ranks.

But is that all? In just a few weeks time, the COP21 climate conference will take place, in Paris, the biggest such event since COP15 in Copenhagen six years ago. The event offers the world a desperately needed opportunity to reduce its carbon emissions and limit global warming to 2C.

And that’s surely something the attackers, or at least their (presumably) ISIS commanders, must know all about.

Read more: The Ecologist

This line of reasoning is deeply flawed. ISIS are not a legitimate supplier of oil, they are oil smugglers. If a future climate agreement were to place a prohibition on oil, or slap on a massive global carbon tax, the black market price of oil would skyrocket – groups like ISIS would make a fortune, helping oil consumers avoid carbon taxes which legitimate providers would have to pay. It seems much more likely that ISIS didn’t know or didn’t care about the COP 21 climate conference, or who knows – perhaps the recent atrocity was just a prelude, a distraction from a much bigger planned attack on world leaders, when they gather in Paris.

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164 thoughts on “Claim: Paris Terrorist Atrocity was a Big Oil Plot

  1. Dear alarmists:
    Contrary to what you’ve tried to do, MOST people don’t obsess and worry about your sad, sorry, disproved climate hypothesis. At all.

    • If I were a terrorist and had the slightest clue that COP21 was about to happen, why in the world would I attack the site a few weeks before the high value targets arrived?
      As a warning? So they can increase security and reduce my odds of success?
      To prevent the conference from happening? Unlikely. Now, there is the risk that the alarmist faithful will be seen as brave heros charging on despite the danger.
      If anything, the attacks may draw attention to a meeting that is otherwise a global non-event. Maybe they were funded by alarmists.

      • Come now, I know you are being sarcastic, but that’s uncalled for. However, given how this attack will solidify the fight against ISIS from multiple fronts, and the fact that it was against unarmed civilians at entertainment venues will undermine recruiting. I don’t think there was much brains or thought behind this.
        I can definitely see the conspiract theorists running rampant on this, though.

      • Attacking COP21 could have reached high value targets, true. But they would be more heavily guarded. Attacking when they did, the terrorists had a much higher chance of success, they got nearly the same terror effect that an actual attack on COP21 would have, they get security diverted to COP21 to the point where they have better odds for whatever attack elsewhere they have planned, they get governments running around like headless chickens deciding what to do about COP21 diverting attention away from other things, … I cannot imagine why any smart terrorist would think for one second about waiting until COP21 when they could get so much by an unexpected attack.

      • The buffoon chief (codename: wild strawberry) said France:
        – abandons its “stability pact”: the deficit target of 3% is gone; France will borrow even more. Now there is a “security pact”.
        – will change its Constitution: the change is NOT specified, the direction of change is NOT specified, nothing is specified, but the Constitution needs to be changed because more a hundred people died.
        Yes, that’s how France is governed and has been for a few decades.
        Maybe it’s a banker plot. Or politicians plot. Or constitutional law experts plot.

      • “simple-touriste
        November 17, 2015 at 10:13 pm”
        Oooooh, now that sounds very scary. Template for the rest of the EU, and possibly the a pre-cursor to another war Europe?

      • The state of emergency has be decreed (for 12 days). It allows searches without warrants, by the administrative authority, without judicial review.
        The government has already said the state of emergency will take a law to extend the state of emergency beyond 12 days.
        The state of emergency also allows control of the press, and the confiscation of legally held weapons.

    • As a retiree on a fixed income, I do, indeed, obsess and worry about the climate hypothesis and its advocates. They have shown themselves to be unscrupulous, devious, pathetic liars, who will stoop to any means to advance their agenda. Their agenda would, as Obama has said, necessarily cause the cost of electricity to skyrocket. Such would likely make staying in my home unaffordable.

      • Such would likely make staying in my home unaffordable.
        The standard response to this concern from the “Climate Justice” crowd would be to berate you and compare your relative well-being to some poor family in Africa. Because they care so very much (maybe not about you, though) and want everybody to know it.
        Shouldn’t you feel guilty for even being able to live in a home?

      • I quit being a Lutheran over the guilt programming, but it took liturgical inclusion of having caused climate change to wake me to the cult nature of the “Holy Saviors of Gaia”, whence I took my leave.

      • Yes indeed.
        The fun part is that French electricity by EDF (Electricité de France, not the other EDF) was at the same time very low carbon and relatively cheap, all included (no subsidies by taxpayers, except maybe for the potential “subsidy” of dual-purpose military research) while at the same time paying for exceptional social advantages of EDF agents (including paying only 10% of their energy bill) and subsidising the CGT (the communist union). IOW, without the communist union subsidies and other exceptional advantages, energy (electricity and gas) would be cheaper (with a risk of anti-nuclearism from the communist party).
        France’s real low carbon targets are of course not IPCC related but imports (esp. ME imports) related, as France has few fossil carbon resources (or maybe it has frackable resources, but French are afraid of fracking).

  2. They’re probably just trying to line up their excuses beforehand for when the conference flops.

  3. This article and its conjecture is so stupid it is not worthy of serious comment.
    But if ISIS was intent upon disrupting the Climate talks why not ait until the Friday before the conference, or the evening of the conference, or even during the conference when world leaders would be present. Much more disruption would ensure if they had waited 2 to 3 weeks.
    The author (and indeed the Economist itself for publishing the article) is contemptuous trying to make such a link. What ISIS need would be to persuade their paymasters (the Saudis) to reduce production thereby limiting the over supply in the market place. This would result in immediate increase in funds since this would push up the price oil, but Saudi are themselves waging their own war on US shale and have no interest on closing the taps just yet.
    If a deal can be done in Paris it will have no significant impact on Oil demand for at least a decade, if not longer. Such a time lag is no immediate interest to ISIS.
    What this appears to be is a poor attempt at damage limitation. The green blob know that the prospects of a worthwhile deal being struck at Paris is remote, and now they can deflect attention away from the reality, namely that the economic implications of making drastic CO2 reductions is simply too large, and the developed West will not destroy their economies for futile gestures, and the developing world will press on regardless with coal since they need energy and need to supply their citizens with cheap and reliable energy. In short, no one cares enough about Climate Change notwithstanding the lip service given that it is the most pressing cause/challenge of our times.

    • “richard verney
      November 17, 2015 at 4:28 am
      But if ISIS was intent upon disrupting the Climate talks why not ait until the Friday before…”
      To create a state of fear so that people look to “leaders” to announce “solutions” or “plans” to “fight back”. Which is exactly what has happened.

      • But can you imagine the panic that would have set in if this had been on the 27th November? The security forces would have been fully stretched with the investigations into the bombings and pursuing perpetrators whilst the trail was still hot, such that they would not have had any spare capacity to attend to COP21 increased security requirements (and this will now have to be ramped up – but there is now a couple of weeks to attend to it).
        Further, hospitals are presently fully stretched, and one cannot have hospitals at breaking point when world leaders are attending just in case of another follow up attack occurs. By the end of November, whilst the hospitals will not be back to normal. it is likely that they will again have some spare capacity.
        Yet further, all MSM would be reporting on the terrorist activity, not on the Climate Change talks. Those talks would be secondary, but now given the 13th November attacks, after 2 weeks of reporting about terrorist, victims, solidarity etc, the papers will be desperate for another story, and can now show life getting back to normal in Paris with all the world leaders attending COP 21. So that will now work out well for the media.
        I think that if this attack had taken place on the Friday before much more mayhem would have been caused, and ISIS supporters could easily phone in scares about suspicious packages on trains, train stations and at airports etc causing panic at public transport terminals further exacerbating the mayhem without actually carrying out any further attacks.
        I remember well 9/11 and flying in the week that followed and how little passengers were on planes. I took about 5 flights that week, and on one flight there were only 3 or 4 passengers and we were all grouped in first class. There were more stewardess than passengers! People are very nervous immediately after incidents, but within a couple of weeks it all dies down, and matters normality begins to return.

      • I recall flying via LAX from SYD in to NYC soon after too. I pretty much had half of a 747 Longreach all to myself. I just lifted up the armrests lifted, I strapped myself down across the seats and got some sleep. The aircrew didn’t bother to wake me for a feed (Thankyou for that whoever you were).

    • Dubious though the Economist is, this is actually from the Ecologist – that magnum opus of hessian-backed pipe-smoking green hypocrites.

    • The Ecologist not the Ecommunist ….. the Ecommunist writers are GLO-BULL warming nutters but not this batshit crazy!!

      • My bag. Scanned this article too fast.
        I should have double checked since I was amazed that a story like that could be published in such a magazine, notwithstanding its political bent.

  4. Further proof (as if we needed any) that the climate campaigners have no sense of decency or moral scruples. The bodies haven’t even been buried yet, and they are trading on their dearhs for propaganda purposes.

  5. False conjecture fits with false models like this that came out yesterday simulating cities underwater. https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/maps-cities-future-flooding-climate-change
    From my knowledge of the behavioral sciences and what P-12 education reforms globally are really targeting both The Ecologist article and these false simulations of known urban areas underwater are trying to control and manipulate the internalized mental image of the world and the Paris tragedy. Visual images trump valid informational images grounded in print for most people.
    This is what is being created via our schools and then consciously manipulated by the media. UNESCO even calls this startegy of controlling communication of desired ideas–media education.

  6. “The author (and indeed the Economist itself for publishing the article) ”
    It was The Ecologist not The Economist.

  7. Oil AND staging a plot to keep people off the streets during the UN climate summit AND destroying Jewish property intending to kill Jews is a triple-header!

  8. I think we should use some modesty before we contribute to wild speculations about the reasons behind this deeply tragic event.
    Similarly, we should also use some modesty before we answer to, and link to, some the wild theories we can find around on the internet. After all, this is not what most people believe, “sceptics” or “environmentalists” alike.
    This post suggest that environmentalist think that this was a big oil plot, but this is false. Only a very marginal group of confused people thinks that. By insinuating that most environmentalist think that way, you are, as I see it, trying to exploit this tragic event to bash the environmentalist.
    I think you should stop with that Eric.
    Confronted with this bestiality we should stay together and not use it as an excuse for other political attacks.
    /Jan

    • In all due respect don’t be surprised if it’s not all that marginal a group.
      There’s been a persistent theory in the US that President George Bush was aware beforehand of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, but allowed it to happen as a pretext for war on Iraq. One would think it’s likely a very marginal group that held that theory. But, one of the individuals who did was Van Jones who was tapped early on by the Obama administration to head their Green Jobs Initiative. It’a possible the banal thoughts presented by the Ecologist aren’t all that marginal.

      • Marcus, I see you on many pages at WUWT. You’re comments commonly reflect the one you just left. But remember than many skeptics are liberals, and even more (like myself) are independents. We strive for non-politicized science. So please don’t lump all people who identify as liberals together. No two liberals (or any person apart of any party, for that matter) are the exact same.

    • Jan, we live in troubled times – consider, recently a group of scientists called for people who doubt them to be prosecuted under the racketeering act – and actually meant for federal authorities to act on their call.
      The Ecologist is a serious magazine, followed by a lot of people. If narratives like this silly claim from The Ecologist are allowed to go unchallenged, they can potentially lead to greater political silliness.
      I have my personal political views, but I have no hesitation praising people from across the political spectrum when they do something sensible on the climate front. I believe the potential peril of letting the climate madness flourish unchecked supersedes normal hairsplitting over competing fashions in economic policy.

      • Eric,
        The Ecologist does not use the words “Big oil plot” in their article. You are the only one who use those words.
        What The Ecologist says is that they recognize that ISIS have their reasons for hating France, but suggest that, since their finances depend on oil, they may also hate talk about reducing oil usage, and that this could be one of several reasons to time the attack now, just before the climate summit.
        I do not agree with The Ecologist in this, I think the timing before the climate conference was a pure coincidence. However, this suggestion is far more sensible that saying that this is a big oil plot.
        I think your headline is an unjust exaggeration of what The Ecologist say and that the words in your headline may feed the rumors and conspiracy theories about this.
        /Jan

  9. Smuggling oil. Still haven’t got a grip on HOW that is done. Or who is buying. As oil is sold by the barrel and the legitimate price for one these days is about the price of going to the movies, the discounted smuggling price must be less than the cost of a pizza! Just HOW is this moved unnoticed? And WHY does the US not stop it moving or not punish the buyers?

  10. Actually, and since they brought it up, while not alleging direct collusion between ISIS and climate campaigners, it’s not hard to see a coincidence of interests, since the climate campaign is an assault on devoloped countries and on humanity itself.

  11. In the same spirit of twisted. Because global warming is causing it to snow, again, nobody is boarding the airplanes, so flights are cancelled, schools and work have been cancelled for the day so that people can take advantage of this “rare and exciting event”.

  12. The chain of events then is as follows:
    1. ISIS crack team of political and economic advisor’s examine both the impact and level of (dis)agreements at the previous COP 1-20 jamborees.
    2. This analysis leads them to believe COP21 will actually reach some binding agreement and that that agreement will have a detrimental impact on their economic situation.
    3. They decide to head off this agreement by attacking restaurants and concerts weeks before the COP21.
    Alternatively they decided to attack a western country just because they could and they knew there were enough idiots out there who would come up with clever motives for them.

    • @TerryS

      binding agreement

      That is a term meaning “our decision that you will not be allowed to reverse!”.

  13. I am quite sure the folks in the Caliphate believe that the weather is “gods will”, everything else is why would weather be different? The don’t believe in man made laws or borders, it is highly unlikely they fell for man made weather.

  14. On NPR this morning, the comment was made that since ISIL generates their income from oil, that makes the Paris meeting critical to ending the use of oil since it finances terrorism. Ugh.

    • I stopped watching NPR not because of their ideological stance, but due to it’s blatant ignorance and depraved reasoning. This is a good example
      It is true if we all start riding bicycles, ground all air travel, and drastically cut the energy and plastics usage of civilization, we will no longer be interested in the Middle East and the terrorists most likely will no longer be interested in us. However the base assumptions to this argument are an insult to reason, logic, and humanity in general.

      • I listen to National Democratic Party Radio on the way to work in morning. I think it is important to keep tabs on the left as they try to build their “perfect” society.

      • Oh don’t worry. When the oil does run out, it will be the limousine liberals crying the loudest and pointing fingers of blame for the demise of the fossil feuled civilization they claim to hate so much.

      • I just worked 13 hours of intense physical labor (like most of the world), and over 10 hours of it yesterday, and I don’t care much about anything right now. Far less, the environment.
        These guys live in an ivory tower and flatter themselves that they are typical. The usual Self Esteem as Empty Pride thing. I remember from a couple years back, we royally bombed yet another international academic competition, but surveys afterwards showed the disgraced Americans as feeling “better ” about the test than any of the others. Clueless and feckless.

    • The commerce in the oil business (as presently structured) puts a lot of money into the hands of these guys…

    • If they didn’t generate their income from oil they’d generate it through trade in ivory harvested from poachers of endangered and protected animals. (Oops, they already do that.) They’d also generate money through the sale of antiquities looted from the museums in the ME. (Oops, they do that too.) Not yet, but soon they’ll generate money through the sale of drugs from the cartels in South America to Europe through networks in Northern Africa. (If, like Boko Harem, they’re not doing it already.) Or, they’ll generate money through the sale of heroin from Afghanistan once all the troops withdraw. (One of al Qaeda’s sources of revenue.) Or, they’ll generate money through human trafficking in the sale of young Yazidi women and girls. Or, they’ll generate money through arms trafficking. (Most of which they got for free courtesy of the ill advised total withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.) Or, they’ll generate money … the list is endless.
      Anybody, anywhere who thinks that the problems of humanity stem from fossil fuels needs a lesson in reality.

  15. ISIS split from Al Quaeda mainly because of what they saw as corrupt money influences on the organization. To make any type of insinuation that this had any connection to big oil or climate change is lunacy to be sure…

    • Would that help. I doubt it. Nevertheless if you want to try, try this.
      Hit Subtitles/CC
      Then hit settings.
      Switch on translation
      Select your language. (You need to push it up with your left button depressed (a bit like me :-))
      Double Dutch doesn’t seem to be an option. But then, given the translation you get, you’ll not be disappointed.
      Online translation has a loooong way to go.

    • Very interesting interview, thanks. It’s quite difficult to follow, since both the original German and the French dubbing are at similar volumes. I understand both languages somewhat, but the brain boggles at listening to both version at once. If you go to the Youtube page at
      https://youtu.be/hZhbwvDyaLo
      the French audio is significantly louder and this makes it easier to follow if you know French. There you also find the original poster, marked in the bottom right of the screen “Artemesia College”. Maybe he/she/it could point you at a transcript or at least the origination of the interview.
      I haven’t listened long or thoroughly enough to make out everything the interviewee says, but he uses the term “managed terrorism” repeatedly, and from the rest that I could follow, I gather this is a euphemism for false flag operation. In other words, the terrorists may have beleived they were being directed by God, their Islamic leaders, or by their own principles and/or hatreds, but actually, they were being manipulated in a grand plan to socially re-engineer France and Europe. I believe he also said that it’s the government ministers most directly responsible for policing, intelligence and the military are the ones who should be in prison.
      Feel free to correct this perception, anyone. I’d like to see a transcript in either German or French (better yet, both) myself.

      • the youtube url got wiped when I posted. but in my browser right clicking on the video image displays an option to copy the video url, which then ends up in my Windows notepad.

      • Boring conspiracy theories are boring.
        At least the 9 11 truthers have a theory where stuff don’t fall vertically. It’s fun to tease them.

  16. Gee, and here I was told that it was the “climate deniers” who were the conspiracy theorists. Now look at the climate alarmists! Tsk, tsk.

  17. I didn’t watch the Democrat candidate debate but from what I’ve read Bernie Sanders blamed ISIS on climate change. The website wasn’t joking.

    • I did see the debate, and no, Bernie Sanders wasn’t joking either. And I’ll bet my bottom dollar Hillary goosesteps in perfect lockstep rhythm with the cagw wackadoodles.

      • Obama got angry at the news conference in Turkey because reporters were questioning his lack of will in fighting ISIS. He claimed that he regularly visits wounded U.S. Veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and that he cannot stand to send more U.S. Servicemen to be either wounded or killed.
        What this means is that he shits on the men and women who signed up to protect their country and that he should not have ever ran for president or continue to be president if he “cannot” bring himself to send these volunteers to do what they signed up for. To protect their country, and especially, before the battle gets to the home front. If he cannot do what a president is supposed to do, which is first and foremost the security of the Nation, then he should take himself out of the job. But, no…He believes, sickeningly, that his stance (to not send more troops to be injured or killed) gives him some kind of moral authority and contributes to his ‘great’ legacy. The ‘Warrior pacifist, idiot president who would allow more people to die by terror than do anything to actually combat the problem. What a narcissistic wimp and a deluded as* hole. As well as his companion in self hate and hate for his country…Mr. ‘real’ piece of dung, Kerry, who believes that the terrorists who killed a bunch of media people at Charlie Hebdo in Paris last year, had a valid reason for doing so.
        I served from 1980 to 1984 under Reagan. I cannot see how anyone serving in the U.S. military under this president, obama, could have any pride at all. I can clearly understand the usefulness of the Roman Praetorian Guard, which, at times, must have been a big relief for the citizens and Empire of Rome.

  18. Yet another patently false claim. CAGW advocates want HIGHER oil prices! The monetary enemy of ISIS is fracking.

    • If you use the tried and true “follow the money” argument when you’re looking or motives, the Greens and ISIS share the desires OPEC, which is to drive down availability of fosill fuels thereby increasing prices received by the seller. It’s the simplest rule of economics.
      Since the 60’s, the Greens have been tools of “Big Oil” or more appropriately organized energy. Without the grass roots campaign to stop nuclear energy our dependence on oil, gas and coal would be greatly reduced, but that would of course been acting on the srong end of the equation, the purpose is not to reduce demand, but to reduce supply since demand reduction doesn’t drive up retail pricing.
      That this is so obvious, yet so opaque to the Greens is telling. Why don’t they understand everything they do is playing into the hands of their purported “enemy”?

  19. If you have a narrow lens you see everything through it. I have to push myself to get a broader view but I do it. That would be a difference in style with many of our opponents.
    They see us as cranks and we see them accurately as mindless fanatics and scam artists. Pretty standard stuff at the hot margins of big issues. Dont despair. The cranks win at least as often as the big machine.

    • troe writes: “They see us as cranks and we see them accurately as mindless fanatics and scam artists.”
      You oversimplify I think, it’s not “mindless fanatics and scam artists” but mindless fanatics in the thrall of scam artists. I think the scam artists are quite mindful rather than mindless and they’ve clearly outwitted the “mindless fanatics”, who are “useful idiots” in the role they’ve taken.

  20. Getting people to focus on big oil distracts them from considering who the people really are that are promoting climate change and the UN agenda.

    • Barbara, at least it changes the designation from the UN to Big Oil, but it’s obviously Big Oil backing the UN, so “considering who the people really are” is served rather than defeated by moving attention from the UN to Big Oil.
      I know it’s a tangled sentence but so was yours if that’s any excuse 🙂

  21. Where are the ISIS leaders getting their money to fund their mayhem?
    Saudi Arabia.
    Where is most of the light sweet crude? Who gets rich selling light sweet crude?
    So…the Muslim fanatics are being funded by…..oil.
    Lets go nuclear power everyone and put the middle east back to the stone ages.

    • Paul: We (at least here in the U.S. anyway) don’t use crude oil in any of its forms (except for 1% of it) to generated electricity. While I like you still support the building of more nuclear power in this county, it won’t meaningfully affect our crude oil demand. See the eia.gov link below.
      Crude is instead refined into surface and air transportation fuels, petrochemicals and artificial materials like plastics.
      http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

      • CD153,
        I realize that domestically crude is converted to heating oil, diesel, jet fuel, gas and propane mostly.
        It is desirable to use light sweet crude from the middle east as compared with Canadian tar sands or thick heavy oils. It is a matter of economics at the refinery operation level. Saudi oil is easier to convert into cash. Sorry I was not clear.

      • BTW I like oil. “Big Oil” may be OPEC, not Exon-Mobil. It is just that Middle East oil comes with a heavy price. Money ends up in the possession of tribal leaders with axes to grind. eg Bin Laden. Sadam Hussein, Iran, Qaddafi, the list goes on….

      • Desirability and value is about more than just light/sweet. Light sweet can be converted by all refineries, but the expensive and complex refineries of California, Western Canada and the Gulf Coast are more economically efficient when using the economically disadvantaged heavy/sour crude, which are bought on contract at a fixed discount to a relevant index price like West Texast Intermediate or NYMEX.
        As far as the politics of the Middle East, every country there needs a long term sustainable price of $75 or above on light sweet. North Dakota shale oil, which is probably better quality than the stuff coming out of Saudi Arabia has disrupted the markets in a way that was thought impossible. You can call it their black swan if you will. The Sauds thought that there were no legitimate large scale light/sweet fields that could compete with them. They were wrong in a big way, and funded the development of Shale technology by maintaining high prices for too long. They’ve likely signed their own death warrants, either via home-grown revolution or ISIS, IMO…

  22. Is the early blizzard in Denver pro COP21 or against COP21? After all, climate change has
    predicted both.

  23. Attention liberals….ISIS wants to kill all of us because of our freedoms not because it’s too hot or because we don’t buy their oil !!

  24. On the other hand, if you’re trying to get President Obama to take ISIS seriously, tying them to “Big Oil” might just work…

  25. In a related note, some high ranking IPCC Officials, (translation, U.N. Bureaucrats), released a statement that the conference would be held as scheduled, but there’s a throw-away line that roughly translates from French as:
    “we’re hopeful that we have enough agreement, (going into Paris), to continue working toward the goal,” (of fleecing the nations of the world)
    In English that translates to, “we hope that there’s enough agreement so that we’re still employed this time next year.”

  26. This is a reporting in the best traditions of the Ecologist, as well as most of the ecological movement. They did not study Dr. Goebbels enough, but they are trying.

  27. First it was a diversion tactic to take away the heat from Mizzou controversy, now it is a diversion tactic to take away the publicity from the Climate talks. What else can be blamed instead of Islamic terrorism? They Jews have already been blamed so there must be some other scapegoat to sacrifice here.

  28. oddly you could argue that they missed a trick by not doing it during COP21 , with all those world leaders there even if they had never got close the ‘impact’ would have been greater than the tragedy we have seen. We can be grateful that they failed to get into the football ground to kill even more people.
    Of course has we have seen before for those who think they are ‘saving the planet ‘ any approach is acceptable. When you think it is OK to make jokes about blowing up children for ‘thought crimes’, it is not a big step for you to make use of recent mindless killings in Paris.

  29. SNIPI think whatever mod approved this post was off his feed today. If any climate skeptics buy this polemic nonsense, I’m going alarmist. ~ Evan

    • I’ve nothing to do today, it’s dreary and raining outside, and I’m sitting at a booth in a coffee shop alternately staring out the window and at a cup of coffee in front of me. So, all that means I must be a government stooge and therefore compelled to respond to your comment. But, I’ll limit it to just one question. In the following you wrote:
      ‘FACT 2: The north tower ACCELERATED through the lower section … Newton’s third law of equal and opposing forces states that the top block thus exerted 36% of it’s weight, which means it’s exerting much less force than when supported at rest…’
      I wasn’t aware that it was a law of physics that an object in motion has less mass than the same object at rest. What Newton are you talking about? Are you sure you’re not confusing Isaac Newton with Alfred E. Newman?

      • The twin towers is a good conspiracy theory which has enduring popularity. Rather sadder following the events in Paris we waited for the first tin foil hat crew to blame Mossad or international jewry. for the outrage It came after 2 hours 34 minutes. I think conspiracy theories can be an endless source of entertainment, but when they promote anti-semitism it’s time to stop laughing.

    • Well, I don’t buy your interpretation of physics, since I’ve worked in the field for the past 40 years. But just to consider FACT 7:
      Correct; office fires don’t burn hot enough. It really takes aviation fuel, leaking out of a smashed airliner, distinctive by its tendency to burn with oily black smoke, even–or especially–in open air (the result of high fuel vapor concentration). I guess combustion of carbon compounds just never makes it possible for steel to become plastic…and the profession of black-smithing would therefore be an impossibility. Or, for that matter, even smelting iron to make it molten. Sheer fiction!
      Need I also mention that the airliners were made of essentially pure aluminum, which has an extremely high combustion temperature? So high, in fact, that aluminum is a main ingredient in high performance solid rocket propellant. Oh, yes. Aluminum is also the key ingredient in thermite, where the oxidizer is iron oxide. The aluminum doesn’t really care where the oxygen comes from. Thermite is also used as a convenient source of molten iron in small quantities. How odd that residue of “thermite” is found at a thermal inferno involving aluminum and iron!
      The descending mass of a collapsing building accumulates momentum. The uncollapsed floors below would be faced with resisting that momentum (force = rate of change of momentum), resulting in forces beyond their structural strength. A basketball weighs almost nothing. If someone throws a basketball directly at your face, you may wonder why it no longer feels like it weighs nothing. Try it and see.
      I’m sorry that you think you understand what obviously you do not.

      • @Michael J. Dunn

        Need I also mention that the airliners were made of essentially pure aluminum, which has an extremely high combustion temperature?

        Still not nearly as high as passports obviously. And aluminum is obviously stiffer than steel.

      • No, office fires can destroy a steel frame building.
        Did any steel structure building survived uncontrolled fires, ever?

      • I can’t find the post however someone posted that a steel hi-rise did not fail in 1975 due to an office fire. I would suggest the materials used in offices from 2001 onwards were probably more flammable and burn hotter, regardless of all that “safety” built in to products these days.

      • Actually office fires can make steel structures deform and fail. This image is from the Cardington fire test center in the UK. The test structure was a typical four-story RSJ box full of office equipment. And the RSJs became plastic and deformed. And this was a lightweight box, not a high-rise office with multiple floors and a great deal of weight above.
        They were testing the effectiveness of insulation here, which is very effective. But the problem with insulation is that it must stay in place during an explosion.
        http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/fire/lamont4-9.jpg
        .
        And as this old photo demonstrates, even wood can be more structurally sound during a fire than a steel RSJ.
        https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/woodbeambentsteel-full.jpg

    • the good news that industrial grade tinfoil is both available and long lasting
      sadly although you may believe it keeps others out of your head , it does nothing for the voices already in there.

      • Perhaps it keeps them in by means of the hat absorbing the stuff generated inside of the head and re-radiating it in random directions.
        Well, at least the hypothesis correlates with the observations . . .

    • sabretruth, get back into your tarpit. I bet your video collection includes the aliens in Roswell, NM, expert interpretation of the moon landing photos to show they were taken under floodlights in Death Valley, the man on the grassy knoll, fluoridation really an elitist mass mind control plot, Elvis is sneaking around and is sighted every once in awhile, MI6 snuffed Diana, The Bard actually didn’t write any of the plays attributed to him, the Da Vinci Code, holocaust was cooked…. I’m sure sabretruth your personal collection is a lot larger than this. Ya see, you can predict with 100% success that high profile stuff will have conspiracy theorists all over them. I predicted, along with several million others that it wouldn’t be long before some paranoid, unhappy person would connect terror in Paris to the idiotic climate bunfest for agreement on dissolving civilization. Why would ISIS want to stop nutters from destroying civilization – they are natural allies.

      • Nice work, Gary Pearse, stuffing nine strawmen into a single paragraph after leading off with a gratuitous ad hom; that puts you into double digits dude, and makes yours a leading contender for illogical post of the day.

      • My only criticism is that there were only nine. I’d have added a few. Please, mods, don’t let this ridiculousness happen again. We have enough problems as it is.

    • I was going to reply to his “fact 8”, but now it’s gone. When molten aluminium is exposed to water, and iron, you get the reaction he was describing.

      • Already answered here…
        “Michael J. Dunn
        November 17, 2015 at 1:20 pm”
        So the elements needed for thermite a reaction would be in uncontrolled quantities and mixes. The reaction would certainly not be a controlled explosive.

  30. Well its pretty clear we don’t understand ISIS. No they don’t want to kill us because of climate change, nor do they want to kill us because of our freedoms. They are equal opportunity murders, non discriminating on race color or creed. The seem to exterminate anyone not assimilated by their organization and its beliefs.They want kill us for their reasons, not what we find convenient or which fits our own world view.
    They have created an interesting situation though; in regards to cop21. I don’t think they care a hoot about the conference itself or its purpose. Rather its such a nice juicy target. Many of the heads of state will be there. If they have the assets and the abilities from their prospective they should hit it. Think about it, all the world leaders ready to thump their chests declaring how they will not be coward or intimidated . If ISIS has a nuclear weapon or some other WMD I would expect them to use it at this conference.
    But then as I said we don’t understand ISIS so what makes sense to you or me may not even enter their frame of reference.
    Think of this, who are their leaders? No I don’t mean operational commanders but rather those who are the keepers of their ideology and purpose.
    How do we defeat them? Simple, attack something they must defend. The problem is; figuring out what that “something” happens to be.
    michael

    • I think it’s pretty obvious that ISIS/ISIL are fundamentalist Wahhabi Muslims who believe in a fairly literal interpretation of the Koran and are prepared to wage global Jihad to impose it. That means they are Nazis, believing in a Muslim master race with all the rest of the Infidels worthy of extermination.
      Well, that’s the propaganda anyway. The test of all these things is how avaricious those with power become, whether they covet money, palaces, women, drugs, etc etc etc.
      Thing is ISIL is just the patsies for the powers behind the throne, those who are funding them. The West has very uncomfortable questions over its relations with numerous Monarchies in the Middle East, notably Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait and Dubai. There’s no doubt that ISIL is funded by Saudi and Qatar and I wouldn’t be surprised if further monarchies were funding it too. The power axis of Syria-Iran is what the puppet masters are really trying to destabilise and NATO and Russia have been drawn into that power struggle over the decades with devastating results. Turkey is also playing silly buggers, using ISIL in its fights with Kurds and Syrians, not to mention financing them through purchase of their oil.
      The really key questions are what the true covert aims of the Middle Eastern Monarchies are. And what the USA, through Turkey and others, is trying to do to the Eurasian geostrategic map.

    • “who are their commanders?” Mike the answer to that is simple: The Muslim Brotherhood. The history goes back centuries and confounds every effort at education, modernization, and women’s liberation. We have the profound historical ignorance promoted in the press that the “Brotherhood” is an advocate for “democracy” and are merely pious reasonable people making the world safe for Islamists.

      • fossilsage Muslim Brotherhood. Are you referring to the organization that briefly controlled Egypt after the Arab spring?
        I’m don’t see them as the hand behind ISIS. To tell the truth I don’t think they have a central leadership in the sense we are use to. Seems fluid, drawing on on individuals with specific skill sets and places them in where needed.
        michael

  31. This line of thinking is consistent with the belief that big oil is behind the widespread skepticism, regarding the speculated/theoretical negative impact of CO2 on our planet.
    Once you become convinced about something…………you interpret all new information thru your belief system. If that includes a role for Big Oil, in sabotaging your efforts to save the world, then you will imagine the Big Oil bogeyman as a player in dynamics such as this one, when there is no evidence of it.
    Nobody can be certain why this place and time was chosen.
    Maybe we should consult a global terrorism model to get clues……actually, this is an excellent realm for useful modeling .
    http://www.rms.com/blog/tag/rms-probabilistic-terrorism-model/

  32. Mike think more along the lines of a religious secret society with no national boarders. In the modern era the linage stems from The Grand Mufti and the alliance with Hitler during the second wold war. Both Khomeini and Osama bin Laden were members. Plenty has been written about them and their influence without going off into conspiracy la la land.

      • PS The AGW/ISIS link is clearly nuts. Let ’em claim it, say I, for almost all will see how ridiculous they are (note the complete silence on bbc question time when Charlotte Church brought it up . . .)

    • secret society, there are plenty of stories of these in history, for example the old man of the mountain. But the locals got fed up with him and wiped out him and his society of assassins.
      (fossilsage I know you are likely to be familiar with the info others reading may not.)
      http://www.historynet.com/holy-terror-the-rise-of-the-order-of-assassins.htm
      Anyway the question is “who” is the hand behind them, ISIS/ISIL have picked fights with to many groups.
      If they do have a traceable leadership, someone will uncover them.
      Don’t get me wrong I don’t for moment think the groups so far mentioned are not supportive of them, I just don’t see them as being the masters. Its the destruction of the historical sites in Iraq and Syria that causes me to exclude them. These sites have been preserved and treasured for centuries they are the heritage of the people of the region. I can’t see a secret society that existed for centuries destroying them now.
      It has to be a new wave of intolerance with no linking to the cultural past.
      michael

      • Mike, destruction of historical sites isn’t always intolerance. Sometimes it’s just destruction for destruction’s sake. I mean, you get a bunch of 18 year old boys together and give then explosives and they don’t worry about the cultural past if they’re not from around there anyway.
        Actually, I think you’re on to something, in that it obviously wasn’t local boys destroying grandma’s special place. Something to think about.

    • “The Grand Mufti” sounds rather grand. In alliance with Hitler, too, was he?! Well, of course. Which “Grand Mufti” was this? Why wasn’t he a boarder? He had something against boarding houses?
      La la land, here we come.

      • Philemon..yes the Grand Mufti..since you are perfectly capable of googling the history and even the photographs of the Mufti with Hitler, one would have to interpret your sarcastic attitude as petulant ignorance of anything that has transpired in the Middle East particularly when it comes to the arrangement of borders in that tortured place. (taking shots at typos as though that is evidence of some sort of intellectual failing is in itself evidence of a flailing intellect.

      • Sorry, fossilsage, but my flailing intellect found your typo amusing.
        Also, by “the Grand Mufti” I wasn’t sure if you were referring to the same guy who was appointed by the Brits at one time but who was never a duly elected representative of anyone in Palestine and in any case was no longer any kind of mufti, grand or otherwise, his term having expired long before, when he, being in exile and arriving in Germany, got to meet Hitler. Of course, lots of people went to meet Hitler back in the day. Gandhi, the Pope, various zionists.

      • Philemon Thank you for replying
        Now about that Grand Mufti; fossilsage, I believe was referring to the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem He was instumental in the rising of Muslims for WW2 Germany
        Recommended reading “Islam and Nazi Germany’s War” by David Motadel (Harvard University Press)
        mods, not an ad or plug just a good historical reference
        michael

      • Yeah, Mike, but if we’re thinking about the same guy, I don’t see how he could have been instrumental in anyone’s rising for Nazi Germany. I can see how the guy might have been Anti-British at that point, but he wasn’t exactly representing Muslims in general or anybody else for that matter. So any “alliance” with him would have been somewhat superfluous. And I don’t recall the “rising of Muslims for WW2 Germany” happening. But thanks for the book recommendation.

      • Yeah, Mike, but if we’re thinking about the same guy, I don’t see how he could have been instrumental in anyone’s rising for WWII* Germany. I can see how the guy might have been Anti-British at that point, but he wasn’t exactly representing Muslims in general or anybody else for that matter. So any “alliance” with him would have been somewhat superfluous. And I don’t recall the “rising of Muslims for WW2 Germany” happening. But thanks for the book recommendation.
        *I referred to WWII Germany by another name which I suspect sent my comment into the spam bucket, but I did want to thank Mike for his courteous reply and recommendations of good literature to read.

  33. Oh, since I’m on a roll. . . My arthritis is playin up summat rotten since Terrible Storm Bollox hit the uk. Where can I get my Climate Victim compensation form from? Need to get it in by COP21. . .

  34. Some people do not seem to be taking the “global warming” meme, all that seriously.
    It seems now that some of the people who are not taking global warming seriously seem to have also been targeted by ISIS.
    Can this video title from only 3 months ago really be only a complete coincidence? (sarc)

  35. Why is it that some people can’t get their head around religious extremism. The ISIS are Sunni Muslim jihadis who believe that the end of the world is near and that by creating a caliphate like the old Ottoman Empire, they will usher in his return. This attack is about religious fanatics and they could care less about the climate change crowd – although they would be happy to murder them, too, if it hastens the return of their “Mahdi” who is the caliph. But the Ecology writer apparently can’t fathom the idea that someone would do something our of religious zealotry, that doesn’t have a typical political motive in the world in which they operate.

  36. “Paris Terrorist Atrocity was a Big Oil Plot” : “CO2 is heating the World disastrously”. I am hard pressed to say which of these two statements is the most ludicrous, but the latter is much more damaging to the World.

  37. “ISIS” R US — “The west, Gulf countries and Turkey.”
    Judicial Watch extracted a confession of sorts from the Dept. of Defense in May:
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0wr19hY0TVs/VkunQWV1FSI/AAAAAAAAAtM/mkuDTZkcEaE/s800-Ic42/AQI_west.png
    Putin on who created “ISIS”:

    * * * * * * * * * * * *
    “Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room. The self-satisfied sheep-like face on the screen, and the terrifying power of the Eurasian army behind it, were too much to be borne: besides, the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with one of these Powers it was generally at peace with the other. But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators dedicated to the overthrow of the State. The Brotherhood, its name was supposed to be.”
    -Orwell, 1984
    * * * * * * * * * * * *

    • Putin video. Well worth watching:
      Now there is a president with common sense and a sound intellect, a president who is not afraid of the truth. If the US had Putin as a president, none of this idiocy would have happened. Maybe some other idiocy may have happened, but Putin definitely knows his Mid East geo-politics rather better than the Stan Obama and Oliver McCain.
      http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/3713779_f520.jpg

  38. This line of reasoning is deeply flawed. ISIS are not a legitimate supplier of oil, they are oil smugglers.” – Eric
    Smuggling oil. Still haven’t got a grip on HOW that is done. Or who is buying. […] Just HOW is this moved unnoticed? And WHY does the US not stop it moving or not punish the buyers?” – wickedwenchfan
    It seems strange that it is not part of the wests tactics to destroy the oil fields being used, blow up the tankers leaving from them and shutting down the ‘makeshift refineries.’ – climatereason
    It;’s no mystery.
    ============================================
    EU lifts Syria oil embargo to bolster rebels
    JUERGEN BAETZ
    Associated Press April 22, 2013
    LUXEMBOURG (AP) — The European Union on Monday lifted its oil embargo on Syria to provide more economic support to the forces fighting to oust President Bashar Assad’s regime.
    The decision will allow for crude exports from rebel-held territory, the import of oil and gas production technology, and investments in the Syrian oil industry, the EU said in a statement.
    http://news.yahoo.com/eu-lifts-syria-oil-embargo-bolster-rebels-165940152.html
    ============================================

  39. I have said this before, but it needs repeating.
    The war in Syria has been going on for 1,300 years. After the Muslim invasion of Christian Syria in the 7th century, the Alawite Nazarene (of president Assad) pretended to be MusIim, so as not to pay the Jizya tax on unbelievers, and be oppressed like all unbelievers are (under the Covenant of Dhimmitude or servitude of unbelievers). That did not entirely work, and the Alawites were still relegated to the gutters of Syrian society for 1,200 years, even if they did not pay the Jizya tax.
    Then the French were looking for allies in the early 20th century, and put the Alawites into the armed forces, and thence into power. The Sunnis rose up against the Alawites in 1982 and Assad’s father put down the rebellion with some 30,000 killed. Was this uprising cased by oil pipelines, George Bush, Mo$$ad, or the Tooth Fariry?? Clearly not. The Sunnies tried the same in 2011 and due to Western intervention over 300,000 have been killed and 4 million exiled. You might rightly declare this to be tragic, and it is. But in reality Western ‘compassion’, ‘concern’ and interference have killed 270,000 people, and created a migration crisis, and allowed a more rabbid form of Sunni Islam to incubate (ISIS), and spread terrorism around the region. Nice own goal, Obama and Cameron. Or was that deliberate?
    However, as I pointed out in 2011, if Assad has ceded power to the terrorists, some 4 million Alawites would have been eliminated, and then the 4 million Syriac Christians would have been eliminated too. You might note that the Syriac Christians have backed Assad all the way. Why? Why are the Christians backing a supposed ‘monster’?? Because they are in the same boat as Assad. Unbelievers in Muslim lands have been subjugated under the Covenant of Dhimmitude for 1,300 years, and this is the sytem that ISIS runs in the region (including slavery, summary justice, and the dhimmi oppression and jizya taxation of unbelievers). In addition, as I pointed out in 2011, if the terrorists have been given Western assistance back in 2011, both they and ISIS would now be the proud posessors of 2,000 tonnes of sarin gas. And that gas would have appeared on the London and New York metros within a couple of weeks. Anyone think that was a good foreign policy for Western governments?
    Luckily, a concerted email and letter campaign scuppered the vote in the UK parliament, and Obama was unable to go it alone. So Assad clung to power and ISIS never did get their sarin gas. So a simple email campaign saved the lives of several hundred thousand Europeans and Americans. Funny how the fates of nations can turn on something so simple as a email or two.
    “For the want of a nail, the kingdom was lost………..”
    Ralph

  40. Here is the historical truth of the Syria crisis, if you wish to know it. This is what successive governments and the whole of the Western media have deliberately avoided saying for the past three or four decades? Why is anyone’s guess, but it has been deliberate I can assure you. As deliberate as the strange insistence that CO2 causes runaway global warming.
    This video clip comes from the US Homeland show, and how it passed Obama’s censors I do not know. But it is the undiluted historical truth, and if you play it a few times it is not very shocking. But it does explain the history of the last millennia, including all the history of France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Chrestian North Africa, the Balkans, Greek Anatolia, Chrestian Syria, Chrestian Jordan, and all of the Crusades.
    If you can bear to hear the truth, here it is.
    Peter Quinn lets the Syrian cat out of the bag, in Homeland………

      • Indeed. But that is exactly what the Kor@n says they will get. They are “not making this sh1t up”, as it says in this video.
        The Kor@n specifically allows the taking of slaves and sex-slaves from the prisoners of war. And it also has a complete chapter called The Spoils of War, which details the division of all the spoils that Mo’s army gained (Mo himself got 20% of all the booty.).
        The followers of Mo were originally a group of bandits and thieves, living off the spoils of their many raids. But when they took over territory they enslaved the people, as it says in K 9:29, and formed a protection racket. They then lived off the spoils of protection racketeering as well as the spoils of war.
        And nothing has changed in the last 1,300 years. lsIam is not an inspiring religion or a pathway to g-d, it is an idiot’s guide to warfare and protection racketeering.
        R

  41. A rare glimpse in the mindset of the alarmists. There’s a word for it in the dictionary: “deranged”.

  42. ralfellis
    November 18, 2015 at 2:04 am
    Shooting up Parisians is quite a logical act for ISIS.
    Eventually the world will end, before that there will be a war where the unbelievers are united against the Caliphate.
    The more countries that unite against ISIS and swarm over them, the more likely the final war and defeat of the unbelievers.
    This will come to pass and will prefigure the end of the world.
    So ISIS is acting to bring about the world’s end, Armageddon,which justifies their actions.

  43. @simple-touriste
    “November 21, 2015 at 8:29 pm
    Why do you need a transcript of conspirational ramblings?”
    I’m guessing you’re referring to the interview I described above.
    1. I like to know what’s going on before forming a judgment. I can’t imagine how an intelligent person can consider a conversation they can’t understand “boring” and “conspirational [sic] ramblings”.
    2. it interests me to see what a journalist in Germany can say on a broadcast without losing his job or career.
    But I’m also interested in the psychopathology of “skeptics” who have no problem swallowing whole their government’s conspiracy stories about enemy countries and groups, yet consider the same government liars and cheats when it comes to the “skeptic”s own favourite hobby horse.
    Anyone having even a nodding acquaintance with the history of Europe over the last millenium knows that governments are not only the target of conspiracies, but hatch their own regularly. Why is it that these pseudo-skeptics only apply the term “conspiracy theory” to suspicions directed at their own government and its allies?
    Seems to me this is simply shamelessly sucking up to Big Brother, except when it’s actually Big Brother’s little paid helpers spreading the word.
    Heard of Wikileaks yet?

    • “swallowing whole their government’s conspiracy stories about enemy countries and groups”
      like what?
      “that governments are not only the target of conspiracies, but hatch their own regularly”
      like what?

    • “it interests me to see what a journalist in Germany can say on a broadcast without losing his job or career”
      Journalists can host this kind of buffoons in most countries. Not a problem.

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