People send me stuff…
Readers may recall back on May 13th of this year I posted about a change in policy related to hate mail and hateful comments that get sent our way in:
Hump day hilarity: WUWT’s new policy on hate mail – your hate mail will be published
Since then, it seems the hate mail has dialed back a bit, probably because the sort of people that hurl this dreck are cowards who don’t put their name behind their words, sort of like “Sou” at “hotwhopper”, (aka Miriam O’Brien) who prefers daily denigration from the comfort of her imagined anonymity. This person is no different, but at least he/she says it’s a fake name.
Name: Shol Vadi
Email: shol.vadi@gmail.com
Message: Do you know what astounds me the most about this world?? The fact that there is a dedicated and extremely sophisticated group of people which is out there just to obfuscate science. They are full time into it! And they are even successful in misleading people. How do you sleep at night knowing that you are abetting in such a farce crime?
Anyways, I don’t have much about denier mentality. Do you get sleep at night?
But who cares. Deniers are loosing heavily. For decades you have succeeded, but the downfall was inevitable.
Leave the science to the scientist, will you?
Faux Name
Time: August 18, 2015 at 11:20 am
IP Address: 50.65.104.139
It seems this “faux” person is from Edmonton, Alberta Canada. It seems English isn’t their primary language, or they are simply poorly educated. It is hard to tell from the broken writing.
You know what astounds me in this world? That there are people with so little moral character that they have to hurl insults about scientific integrity from behind faux names.
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I love the smell of desperation in the afternoon¿¿
If you did NOT get hate mail, you’re not doing your job. ;-))
It comes with the turf.
“Downfall was inevitable.”
Cannot help but agree. Pause in warming is how long now, 18 years? Shol, stop trying to pretend you support the CAGW meme and come out and admit you see it is just a siphon for cash.
after getting into this subject for a bit more than a year
I’m astonished by how dim the warmunist are
warmunist is a word I would not have uttered a year ago
I am a changed man
I now love NASCAR, the Confederate flag, America, country music, meat, women in skirts …
oh yeah
and my coon skin hat, my Kentucky flintlock, my cabin on the frontier, bar huntin’, chasin’ injuns, and throwin’ my tomahawk
life is a lot more fun after I became a denier!
Veni vidi risi
We all laugh Your Holiness. Please stand with us when the time comes to: “Lobbith Thy Holy Hand Grenade”.
Lobbest thou thy holy hand grenade at thine foe…
I grew up near The Cave of Caernbannog. That rabbit is still there.
Getting pretty long in the tooth by now.
Lordy, how I love this website and its comments.
Me too! But I have to keep my keyboard covered in shrink-wrap!
I give this hate mail a D. The poor use of grammar and lack of explicatives detracts significantly from the grade. I give some credit for the use of $5 dollar words, e.g. farce, obfuscate. Otherwise, this hate mail is overly simple and poorly thought out.
Apparently Shol Vadi hasn’t heard of Naomi Klein. Someone should read her spiel and explain it ti this vituperator.
Redmonton. Its called Redmonton, Alberta. Because its founders were illiterate. Named all of the streets by numbers. And its not really in Alberta, that’s just some weird space-time nonsense Phil Currie cobbled together when out looking for his ancestors, because heatstroke in the badlands, or something.
Commenters here have spelling problems too from time to time. Sometimes its typos or its not knowing how to spell. I wouldn’t rag on him for the spelling, but he clearly doesn’t understand that we’re still classified as the underdog in the fight for true science. We haven’t reached parity yet, but I think we can glimpse it from here. We need to keep fighting the good fight or it may slip away.
I am beginning to wish it were just bad spelling or typos. These days, my brain thinks “where”, but my hands type “when”. Notice that “n” is no where near “r” or “e” on the keyboard.
…physical memory…sometimes good…sometimes knot… 😉
And some have problems with punctuation. “Its” is the possessive of it, the spelling you want is “it’s” which is the contraction of it is. 🙂 I, too, aspire to be a pendant. 🙂
“How do you sleep at night knowing … ?” … Probably better than most …
“Do you get sleep at night?” … Is this question from the Department of Redundancy Department?
“Leave the science to the scientist, will you?” … OK, then that means that Hansen, Mann, and Karl are out.
That also means leaving Naomi Klein and Pope Francis out of it too.
And Cook and Lewandowky and the SkS volunteers who can read the minds and motives of publishing scientists simply by reading their abstracts, and Bill Nye, and McKibben…
The cartoon at the beginning reminded me at once of the response of a playwright to an adverse review.He wrote the the reviewer: ‘I am sitting in the smallest room of my house. Your review is before me. In a moment it will be behind me.’
why publish the ip address??
Bevan,
It verifies the article’s point about the general location where it originated. It doesn’t allow WUWT to identify anyone.
@Martin Clark Cox Internet service does not permanently attach/use the same IP address to specific residential customers.
[Note: This comment and some replies below are responding to comments by the banned “David Socrates” (another of his sockpuppet screen names) who is posting as the legitimate commenter Martin Clark. The thread may be a little hard to follow because the fake “Martin Clark” commments have now been removed. ~mod.]
Martin Clark,
You’re wrong about everything, as usual:
I’m retired, so got no need for a day job or any other kind.
But if I was looking, I’m well qualified to work for for an intelligence agency.
You? Not so much…
☺
@Martin Clark: You so smart! Since you have the ISP address, tell us the identity behind it — if you’re not blowing hot air, smart guy.
I think you are. So put up or shut up. Or make excuses why you can’t. Whatever.
It doesn’t identify identity to us here, no, but to someone with a power to examine ISP logs, it identifies the customer account used, even if that is in fact a wifi node.
And unlike other data, originating IP address cant be spoofed – if you want to actually send data from it, you need to get valid acknowledgements back TO it.
Ok at deep levels you can compromise core internet routers to divert an ip address to somewhere else but that requires very very high level access to a lot of very secure kit.
And leaves a lot of evidence globally.
What am I saying here? Anonymity as far as the man in the street goes is not anonymity to the security services, should they take an interest.
Ergo when I post stuff online behind an anonymous name, I am disguising my identity to the average troll and cyber stalker, but not the government security services or the ISPs whose services I use
Unfortunately, you’re all out to lunch – no intel jobs for any of you. The IP address attaches to the MAC address of the modem supplying the WAN to the user. Who’s at the keyboard will be a subject of the waterboarding interview.
usurbrain:
dbstealey:
You guys sure showed him! You smacked him down so hard all his comments disappeared without a trace…?
[Reply: The banned troll “David Socrates” (among his more than two dozen other fake identities) has once again stolen the ID of a legitimate commenter, Martin Clark. When that happens we delete all the sockpuppet’s comments. If you need someone to blame, the correct person is the identity thief. ~mod.]
Brandon,
You missed my point. I said:
Since you have the ISP address, tell us the identity behind it…
But he can’t, and unless it’s a gov’t agency or someone with more resources than 99.99% of the public, no one else can, either. For all practical purposes, posting that particular computer ID compromised no one’s identity.
dbstealey:
I don’t know how I could miss a point in a comment when I didn’t address anything said in any comment. All my comment did was address the fact a number of comments had retroactively been disappeared without any trace or explanation, which is a shady practice which has received criticism on this very site in the past. Speaking of which, the explanation I received:
Is fine. I have no problem with it, but you guys need to do something to indicate when you do this. Just having comments suddenly disappear without trace or warning is not okay. I saw a couple comments in my RSS feed and was curious since I’m an IT guy, but when I got here, I saw a bunch of people responding to comments which weren’t there anymore. I figured they had been deleted and looked for something explaining why, but…
What’s especially bad about not saying anything is by not saying anything, you leave a false impression with any comments responding to the deleted comments which refer to the poster by his stolen name. To someone like me, who had just showed up, it looked like Martin Clark had behaved so bad he had his comments deleted. So rather than protecting Martin Clark from having his identity stolen, you just made it look like he was really, really bad.
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[Reply: Some good points there. We will note why comments are deleted after this. The real Martin Clark’s comments have not been removed. Only the sock-puppet ‘Martin Clark’ comments were deleted. This particular identity thief has stolen other commenters’ names many times. We will not reward his efforts by posting his comments; they have been rendered a waste of his time by removing them from the thread.
Anyone who notices a comment under their name or their screen name that they didn’t post should let us know, like the real Martin Clark did when he posted: “Hello … someone is spoofing …I certainly did not write that above.”
One commenter in particular was so upset by having his identity stolen that he stated he would take legal action against the identity thief if the thief’s identity is verified. We are building a case. The comments you complained were missing are not in fact missing. They are being held is a separate folder. ~mod.]
Hate mail????
Did the sender threaten to kill or rape you?
Martin Clark,
That can’t be right, or we couldn’t call any of it hate mail.
I am just wondering. Is this email the best example he can give of hate mail? “Mission civilization succeeded!” I would say.
(Reply: This was an extremely mild example. We cannot possibly post many of the examples sent here. If you saw some of the real hate mail we receive you would be too embarassed to comment. -mod)
It was not threatening, but it is clearly hateful. So, yeah; hate mail.
No threat, no hate, or? You may not like the email, ok. But at what point is it hate mail?
We evidently have commenters here who are incapable of performing a simple Internerd search. For them, here’s the definition of “hate mail:”
Noun 1. hate mail – mail that expresses the writer’s dislike or hatred (usually in offensive language)
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hate+mail
Sender threatens to kill or rape = threatening email. That’s going above hate and leading towards a call to the police.
“Sender threatens to kill or rape = threatening email. That’s going above hate and leading towards a call to the police.”
Huh? Since when is hate mail not a threatening mail?
And yet another subject on which you know nothing. Keep it up, there are are still a few subjects left.
Let me clarify Wagen,
You can hate someone all you want, and you can express your hateful opinion all you want without legal repercussions. It’s called freedom of speech. But, you cannot threaten someone all you want without legal repercussions. There is no freedom to threaten.
Threatening mail is always hate mail, but hate mail is not always threatening mail. Hence the international propensity to define and distinguish between the two, aside from you.
Wagen, that’s not mere hate mail. That’s the mail that gets sent to the police.
Might be sophistry. But no threats are apparent in the email to the receiver and his family. I only see dismay in the email. Is this a case of overflating the meaning of ‘hate mail’?
Sorry Tom,
Wanted to respond to someone else.
But now it is there. Sorry.
Wagen, yur apologee iz moest axcepted.
stop talking to the mirror, put it down and actually LOOK at what’s on the computer screen.
Yeah, Shol Vadi really accomplished that. Derp.
That’s your definition of hate mail?
To me a letter like that should be turned over to the police or whoever handles electronic threats. There’s a difference in sending someone you hate a letter telling them they suck, and a letter threatening to kill or rape them. Were you the author of the letter?
Please point me to the ‘hate’ point in the email. I do not see it.
wagen,
Does this sound kissy-face to you:
How do you sleep at night knowing that you are abetting in such a farce crime?
He also labels those he doesn’t agree with as “deniers”. That’s a hater’s code word.
Now can you see it?
“How do you sleep at night knowing that you are abetting in such a farce crime?”
Sounds like the sender is appealing to the recipient’s conscience.
@ur momisugly wagen- perhaps reflecting upon the millions who die in the third world because they are denied what you have with the excuse: “Sorry, climate change” might appeal to your conscience
“(Reply: This was an extremely mild example. We cannot possibly post many of the examples sent here. If you saw some of the real hate mail we receive you would be too embarassed to comment. -mod)”
Mildly critical mail is branded as hate mail. New policy was announced that hate mail is fair game. Now I am told you cannot possibly post those. And then you tell me I would be embarrassed! 😀
What astounds me in this world; is people like your hate mailer who have so little understanding of what science is that they think science supports their position. Those of us who have spent a lifetime as actual scientists know that nothing could be farther from the truth.
Congratulations Anthony – Even this hate mailer acknowledges your success:
Having no scientific or logical grounds to stand on, their only recourse is to descend to gutter rhetoric.
I take it as a compliment….he seems to think we’re good at it
Why do they think “denier” has any merit to their false claims, or means anything to us?
We are denying them complete control of the public mindset by our very presence.
Because denier was used to describe those who denied the Holocaust. They are trying to defame skeptics by the well known term.
You may think that, being from Edmonton, he would enjoy right now those 2 extra degrees the alarmists are promising by the end of the century.
Calling Data Denier Climatologists “Scientists” is like calling CO2 “Carbon.”
Wagen…….I think you are an as@hole, and deserve MS. That’s hate mail. If I say (all theoretical) I was sending someone to break your legs and rape your kids, THAT’S threatening and deserves a call to the cops. See the difference?
mods….just posting my real name alongside my nick to back up the claim made higher up that I am just pointing out that not all nickkers are crack-pots. If this is wrong, please delete.
I am patient enough to put up with the looks of shame and pity from those who are under the spell of “anthropogenic guilt” for whatever time it takes nature to put to rest the idea that CO2 is the omnipotent force of global temperature.
If we are wrong and the hot monster springs from the closet to roast us with our own exhaust gases, then they can continue to regard me with pity and disdain for having been deluded. I will, however, admit I was wrong.
If we are right and nature smacks us with a spell of cooler global temps in the next few decades, we will have been visionaries who were ignored and persecuted.
Will the damage that meanwhile is done to liberty be undoable?
Creative minds will have to find ways around the damage to liberty. A law adhered to is a law that will exist in perpetuity. A law ignored is a law that is eventually given the boot.
Warning other motorists of speed traps ahead by flashing headlights to oncoming cars; the CB radio warnings; the radar detector; and the sheer volume of motorists that ignored it finally got rid of the simpleton, control freak 55mph speed limit. Grape juice sold with explicit instructions on what not to do to make it into wine (wink, wink); speedboats; whiskey runners; and speakeasies finally got rid of prohibition.
The creative possibilities here are endless. A whole industry devoted to evasion is soon to spring up.
If the facts are on your side, stress the facts in the conversation. If the Scientists are on your side, stress how many of them there are in the conversation. If neither the facts nor the Scientists are on your side, stress how bad your opponent’s ethics or intelligence are in the lecture.
They’re stressing ethics and intelligence of their critics more and more.
Because the facts aren’t there and the number of scientists who agree with them is going down.
They’re running out of gas. The only problem is that politicians, once they see the potential for taxing and gaining power are very reluctant to give up those ideas. Regardless of the facts or the Scientists who disagree. And of course they argue about the ethics and intelligence of their opponents because they themselves have very little.
While reading all these comments something I have overlooked for years suddenly came strongly into focus. The vast majority of commenters on this website hide their identity behind false names. Why is this? Is it cool and style-ish to be “cute” or sophisticated and make up a name? Or are you afraid of something or someone? I think the discussion would be far stronger and more meaningful if everyone used their real names. In a way you who hide with fake identification are no better than the person who sent the “hate mail”. And, I find this email no big deal. In my years of TV I received an non-ending flood of emails from viewers. While most were very supportive, interesting and positive, there were emails like this piece of “hate mail” almost everyday. I considered the points of criticism and disregarded the personal attacks and discarded these emails without concern. They are pure and simple proof you are having an impact. No big deal.
Having been cyber stalked in the past, I have no desire to go through that again.
BTW, prove that your name is really John Coleman.
Jeez, he sure reads like John Coleman talks.
Perhaps your leading question is an exercise in “futility” itself: you know the answer is impossible to state here. Even verifications of blood test and dna may be insufficient, or not !
As for his words and his name: no-one (here) is above the WUWT moderator, so, please give way.
If John Coleman is John Coleman, then THAT is exactly who he is.
PS: John Coleman is the ONLY person who has actually done what no other can do and he alone shall maintain a dignity that is respected.
Regards,
WL (my real name) England.
But on the other hand, the content of the email makes for a fun conversation. I can actually approach the ideal of being witty. Otherwise I am trapped in a technobrain.
John Coleman on August 18, 2015 at 4:12 pm
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John Coleman,
A study on risk assessment needs to be done. The assessment would concern the risk to non-anonymous commenters on a blog that is predominately populated by anonymous commenters. It is an asymmetrical situation epistemologically.
John
If in sixty seconds you cannot determine my name, age, address, and the color of my cat’s coat, the most charitable interpretation is that your Google-fu is so weak as to be non-existent.
Having also been cyber stalked in the past, I also have no desire to go through that again.
Its not real anonymising, its just making sure that a casual google doesn’t reveal to someone who is stupid and hate filled, any personal details that might lead to a brick or a Molotov cocktail through the window.
Trial by internet and media is not a pretty thing either. Even when you think you are on the side of the angels.
I can speak only for myself, but I’m married to a man who does internet security in the IT field on an international level, and whose brother in law is pretty much a security savant. It took exactly one DEFCON decades ago for him to stridently advise everyone he loves to never, ever post anything under their real names on the web unless they had to. Why?
Because it is unfathomably easy for even a semi skilled hacker who decides to target you individually, to ruin your financial life, your social life and your private life with just little things gathered from the web. If you or a spouse or loved one happens to hold a position of authority of any kind, or you even have children, you can also be easily blackmailed and manipulated. And professional hackers know how to cover their tracks.
That you think the discussion would be far stronger and more meaningful if real identities were used is your opinion. My opinion is that people need to learn to identify truths and facts no matter who states them, because humans are human. I don’t base my scientific opinions on the authority or personal background information of the person(s) I can find on the web. That would be introducing bias and logical pitfalls into a thought process that should be extremely logical, and free from as much personal bias as possible.
If you would automatically give my comments more meaning if I just posted as R. Anderson, instead of Aphan, and I could be any one of millions of “R.Andersons” in the world…then you assigning more meaning to my comments based only on that is illogical. Anyone can use any name they want to. They could even pretend to be someone else, who is real and highly regarded. You can not establish the “truthfuness” of people on the net with any degree of accuracy. So why are names so important to you?
Aphan,
I would draw the line at impersonating another real person, however, using a pseudonym or even a false, but real sounding name, is perfectly acceptable and as you pointed out, sometimes necessary. For example, co2isnotevil is blacklisted at most warmist blogs, Not because I throw insults around, but because I aggressively attack their pseudo science with physics and data.
I agree with you co2. My point to John Coleman is that what makes a discussion meaningful here should have nothing to do with who posters “really are”, and everything to do with what is presented and how it is received and examined.
Studies have been done, models have been run and the indisputable consensus is that people from Edmonton are CRAZY, and their hockey team sucks too.
Signed,
Nick, from Calgary (Go Flames!)
The IP address is Calgary:
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?ip=50.65.104.139
Or maybe Edmonton ?
139.104.65.50.in-addr.arpa. 900 IN PTR S01060026f30a8be7.ed.shawcable.net.