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I realize this is way off-topic of the usual fare for WUWT, but I’d be remiss in my duty as a patriot and an American if I didn’t at least pass it on so that it will get wide distribution. One of my Facebook friends is a police officer who I’ve learned to listen to. He passes this on to me, and I’m passing it on to you as a public service. Take caution, be aware, and don’t let these extremists ruin your 4th of July holiday.
Jeff Greeson writes:
To everyone that reads my wall, ESPECIALLY in big cities: The freakout over the 4th of July is real. I get intelligence that you don’t get, and the FBI is serious this time. Go out and be an American, but keep a charged cellphone with you, and don’t let fear of being called a racist stop you from calling [in] something in that is suspicious. And for the sake of all that’s holy, if something makes your Spidey sense tingle, GET YOUR FAMILY AWAY FROM IT.
He cites this essay from a former “spook”:
Anything But Routine, Redux
Two days ago, former Deputy CIA Director Michael Morrell said there was “nothing routine” about warnings of possible ISIS attacks in the CONUS during the 4th of July weekend.At the time, we noted it was quite unusual for a former intelligence official to be so blunt in his assessment. Mr. Morrell (who made the observation on CBS This Morning) went on to say that he “wouldn’t be surprised if we’re sitting her a week from today talking about an ISIS attack in the United States over the [July 4th] weekend.”
Now, we’re beginning to see why Morrell offered such a dire prediction. Shepard Smith of Fox News reported last night the FBI is establishing special command centers in 56 cities around the country, to prepare for possible terrorist attacks during the holiday period.
Not to be outdone, ISIS quickly posted a map, showing the locations of those command facilities. Twitter and the blogosphere quickly exploded, with some wondering how the terror group could quickly access such sensitive information. Turns out it wasn’t so hard after all; the command centers are located at FBI field offices, except those in Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. That information is readily available to anyone with internet access.
But there are more signs of mounting fears about a possible weekend attack. A federal official told Gateway Pundit that FBI agents scheduled for vacations over July 4th have been told to cancel their plans, and report for duty. The same source also reports that FBI agents are telling family and friends to avoid “official” holiday celebrations. This mirrors earlier claims that ISIS may target large community gatherings on the 4th, hoping to inflict maximum casualties.
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My prime minster here in London (you know, the one that sucks up to Obama) tells us Brits to be ‘vigilant’ after the Tunisian massacre.
Trouble is, our government disarmed us (the good guys, that is) back in 1997. Took all our legally-owned firearms and crushed them.
Illegal immigrants, drug cartels and terrorists have been successful in their war on liberty as evidenced by this partial list:
– TSA checkpoints at all airports;
– Militarization of local police;
– Military operations occurring in continental U.S. (e.g., Jade Helm);
– Illegal detainment to search citizens at highway checkpoints;
– Private property seizure without due process;
– Suspension of civil rights (e.g., gun ownership) during emergencies (e.g., Katrina);
– Arming of federal agencies (including EPA, USDA and Dept. of Education).
Looks like it’s too late to learn that Freedom isn’t maintained by implementing a police state.
Yes and I have a “friend” with connections inside the science establishment who assures that we should all be alarmed about rising co2. What a joke. Where’s your head?
“I’d be remiss in my duty as a patriot…”
How about one’s duty to hundreds or thousands of innocent fellow human beings (which I have no doubt you feel strongly as well)? Surely that’s a higher calling than patriotism? Patriotism is what brought support for the Iraq war, for the “war on terror” and a reluctance to question the official findings of 9/11. Patriotism is how you are sold the so-called Patriot Act.
Save patriotism for the football field; don’t be manipulated.
But this is a Climate Change article! Why, only about a month ago President Obama said:
“I am here today to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security, an immediate risk to our national security, and, make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country, And so we need to act — and we need to act now.”
So any article that suggests there could be a more immediate risk to our national security than climate change, let’s say attacks by ISIS, for example, is itself a risk to us all, because while the right-wing denial industry is distracting you with paranoid Islamophobic fantasies, we won’t be acting now — NOW I tell you! — to save the America from this greatest and most immediate of all national security threats.
Just like WUWT to pull a cheap trick like this to scare Americans into taking their eyes off the real problem!
/sarc
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1863/12/the-man-without-a-country/308751/
I offer the above to any who would still wander this thread at this late date.
It is a tale for patriots. It is titled “The man without a country”. I read it first in grammar school back when they taught love of country. I still get teary- eyed reading it.
All have a good fourth and god bless the United States and damnation to her enemies
Mods please forgive the language,
michael
Fact is that the US government is organizing “terrorism and fear mongering”.
Folks should wake up to that fact!
Exactly
ISIS or CIASIS are created and run by the CIA as is Al Qaeda and their ancestor the Mujahadin who the CIA used to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.
The CIA are running ISIS and the rebels in Syria because they want to destabilise the government. The Middle east is all about oil and geopolitical control, such as making sure Gaddafi, Hussein and others don’t abandon the petrodollar and go to the gold dinar. Putin was hoarding gold and threatening to abandon the US petrodollar also and lo and behold social unrest attacks like the pussy riot and gay rights staged US fiascoes were levelled against them and now sanctions over Ukraine which is the height of hypocrisy given the West’s reign of terror invading foreign nations
They use these boogeymen like Al Qaeda and ISIS to justify their middle east invasions and the taking away of rights at home via the Patriot act and NDAA. Anyone with a brain can see the simultaneous removal of our rights across the western nations and the Trans Pacific Partnership that gives enormous powers over the western nations to the bankers and megacorporations, passed incidently 2 days before gay marriage was legalised, hence the stupid masses went nuts over gay marriage in attempt to appear soooo sensitive and a good little acolyte of the liberal religion, ignoring perhaps the most important bill in recent history.
The end goal of all their machinations is world government and the CAGW scam is a major pillar in the economic foundation of governance.
And of course Sabretruthtiger has either impeccable sources for all his information or an excellent conspiratorial imagination. One or the other — both go without saying.
Kentclizbe: you’re kidding right? The first recorded jihad was against the Arabs in 622 CE. The Crusades were a response to Muslim invasion of Judeo-Christian lands in the Middle East. The invasion of Spain by Muslim Moors from today’s Algeria resulted in the Spanish Inquisition after they were driven out. Thomas Jefferson created the marines and bombarded Tripoli to stop Muslims from raiding US merchant ships after the government there said it was allowed under their religion unless a tribute was paid to them.
Perhaps you need to learn something about their religion. They are “commanded by God” to rule the Earth and purge it of non-believers, thus the unending jihads. That’s not a concept found in most religions. It has nothing to do with being powerless or disrespected.
Muslim terrorism hardly started in the 1970s. The world has been fighting it since the creation of Islam. You can find acts of Muslim terrorism every year since 622!
Jtom,
You, too may need to open up your sources. Nothing Islam, as a religion, did in the past, or does in the present is any worse than many other religions. Obsessive focus on negatives of any one subject tends to blind you of negatives right under your nose.
Maybe you need to learn something of Islam from unbiased sources. Nearly every religion places high value on converting non-believers, and many religions vilify non-believers? Try researching how Judaism views non-believers, for starters.
You may want to try for a little balance in your understanding.
When was the first Islamic terrorism in Western countries? Why?
Onward christian soldiers!!!
I have been following Islam for a long time in all it’s history. The western world didn’t create Islam and their terror tactics. But what is noteworthy is how the western world is attempting to put an end to their terror tactics.
in short. Nixon came up with the idea on how to change the war Islam has been waging on us to a more inclusive system with Islam. He understood their threat but knew their war would never end. Today we call it diversity where even ideologies that are at war with us are accepted as equal in a hope they will see what we have and accept us. The rest of the world seemed to love the idea and ran with it.
It’s a freaking risky plan. knowing Islam as well as I do. There is no way in hell it can work and I don’t know how it’s going to end. It’s most likely going to sound like the fourth of July but with people dying.
Ox,
Thanks for sharing your cultural scholarship. You might want to consider expanding your sources a bit, though. You’re looking at history through an extremely biased lens.
The barbaric actions of some Islamic regimes are neither unique, nor exceptional. Islam is a religion that is neither unique nor exceptional in its social and civil belief systems.
Terrorism is not uniquely nor exceptionally linked to Islam, historically or currently.
Terrorism is a tactic resorted to by groups which feel they have no other power. This has been so for millenia.
If you pay attention, you’ll notice that Islamic terrorism did not become an international issue until the 1970s. Why? Do some research, and you’ll find out.
Other groups which felt powerless and disrespected used terrorism as a tactic in the 20th century long before Islamic groups adopted it. The Irish were/are inveterate terrorists–killing, bombing with malice aforethought. And Jewish terror groups, during their effort to establish their homeland in Palestine, committed vicious terrorist attacks.
“Prior to the establishment of Israel, Jewish terror against the British Mandatory authority and Palestinian Arabs was carried out by two paramilitary organizations that espoused Revisionist Zionist ideologies: Etzel (Irgun) and Lehi (Stern Gang). Both groups reflected the view of Zeev Jabotinsky that a sovereign Jewish state ought to be created on both sides of the Jordan River, through violence. Between 1939 and 1942, Etzel carried out 60 terrorist attacks, killing more than 120 Palestinians and maiming hundreds more. In order to hasten British departure from Palestine, Lehi operatives assassinated Lord Moyne, the minister resident in the Middle East, on November 6, 1944, in Cairo. On July 26, 1946, explosives planted by Etzel agents leveled the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the administrative center of the British Mandatory authority, killing 91 Britons and injuring close to 500 people. Lehi’s last terrorist operation ended the life of Swedish Count Folke Bernadotte , the UN mediator, on September 17, 1948, after he had issued a plan that significantly altered the terms of the 1947 UN partition resolution.”
http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/jewish-terrorism-israel
So, your thesis is a bit shaky, to say the least. Your sources are filled with hatred and have very clear ulterior motives. Widen your horizons.
said, “Islam is a religion that is neither unique nor exceptional in its social and civil belief systems. ”
This a clear indication you don’t know even the fundamentals of Islam. Islam is extremely unique there is no other ideology or belief on the planet that is even remotely similar.
The very basics is this.
1. Islam is an Iqamat-ud-Deen or a highly detailed complete system of life based around the Qur’an, hadith and sira. It’s an Islamic Social Economic and Political Order. Where every muslims duty is to follow the Iqamat-ud-Deen to be the best muslim they can.
The political and economic order part of this makes the belief a Ideology based around the Deen(religion. Which means Islam is a theocracy by design. Western civilization and the rest of the world doesn’t allow a belief to control the political system.
The Iqamat-ud-Deen is a slow process to bring about the Islamic theocracy or Dar ul-Islam.
2. The world is broken down into an “Us vs Them” mentality. Dar al-Islam (house of islam) and the Dar al-Harb(house of war) all other divisions of the world are temporary conditions. This creates a class system of people. The three primary classes are Muslims on top, Kafir dhimmi then Kafir Harbi. The Kafir Dhimmi are those that lives under the house of Islam. Those that live out side of the house of Islam have no right to life.
3. Islamic Jurisprudence allows for legal vigilantism. Where the individual’s are the Judge, Jury and executioner when there is no Islamic authority available.
kentclizbe yes. I know of the terrorism that did exist in the creation of Israel. There are some hard liners in Judaism that can follow their belief and use their text to justify terror. I can brake down why and how they justify this if you wish.
It’s key to understand the difference between Judaism and Islam to understand why the establishment of Judaism doesn’t accept this text as something that applies to today. Islam it’s not just accepted it’s encouraged.
Well, here we are and the fourth has come and almost gone. Another boner for those that buy the fear mongering. But the count is now 0 for forty. What were you thinking?
Lack of critical thinking skills along with total absence of skepticism. At WUWT no less!
Aletho, this issue is one of probability, not of certainty.
Were the recent terrorist attacks in Tunisia and Canada real? Were the Boston Marathon bombing and the events of 9-11 real?
One can always sit in the bushes and throw stones, based on 20-20 hindsight.
Trying to resolve real future threats, especially to prevent unknown terrorist acts by isolated fanatics, is much more difficult.
If a terrorist act had happened yesterday, the authorities would have undoubtedly come under harsh criticism for failing to prevent it.
I have resolved a number of difficult major problems in my time – thinking them through and developing practical solutions is difficult. Then getting them adopted by authority, despite opposition from know-it-alls and other imbeciles, is often a greater challenge.
0 for 40 on the US terror alerts. What kind of dolt is still listening?
The recent events in Canada were almost certainly managed.
You folks badly need to broaden your sources.
Aletho you said:
“The recent events in Canada were almost certainly managed.”
Questions – please be clear in your responses:
Your statement is unclear. The recent events in Canada were managed by whom? For what purpose?
For starters view the video I linked to toward the end of the thread. If you wish me to link more that directly addresses the recent Canadian events I can also do so.
One should never accept events such as these (that seem illogical) as presented. If it doesn’t quite make sense there is probably something going on that is not being honestly divulged.
Aletho – I am not interested in your unclear response – end of conversation.
Graphs are often helpful:
https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/terror-alerts-vs-elections/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-islamic-state-isis-is-made-in-america-the-pentagon-had-planned-the-fall-of-mosul-and-ramadi-in-2012/
A 7-page Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document dated to August of 2012, recently released under a Freedom Of Information Act, request specifically states that the Syrian opposition was by that time “taking a clear sectarian direction,” and that “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”
… it was predicted by the DIA that “ISI (Islamic State in Iraq) could also declare an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organization in Iraq and Syria” and that “there is a possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria.” This is exactly what transpired in the years after 2012 with the declaration of the Islamic State. Yet not only was this a possibility, this was instead “exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion” with Iran and Iraq being labelled as integral parts of this expansion. The supporting powers are said to be “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey.”
Again , salutations to all my American friends on this, the Glorious 4th of July!
God bless you and keep you safe – my best wishes to you and your families.
Allan MacRae, Calgary
Historical Notes:
The USA is by far the best neighbour Canada could ever ask for. Canada is the largest foreign supplier of oil to the USA. We are still, I think, the largest bilateral trading partners in the world.
We have managed to get along and prosper together for two hundred years since our last unpleasantries during the War of 1812-14, when our side burned the White House and the Yanks burned Toronto.
Confidentially, people from all over Canada agree that Toronto ought to be burned from time to time, so we still think we got the better of that deal. 🙂
Allan MacRae, Three cheers for Benedict Arnold? Duh! That was one of those Damb if you do damb if you don’t moments. I wouldn’t have wanted to be in his shoes that day.
But don’t forget about the Oregon Boundary dispute. The British sent a sizable army to take the disputed area from the Mexicans just a few months before the Mexican American war. That could have been interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute
Ah yes – the jingoists chanted “54-40 or Fight!”. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed.
I would point out that when Lewis and Clark made their famous trek across the USA in 1804-1806, they had maps of their Oregon destination made years earlier by a Canadian explorer of Scottish descent named David Thompson, known as The Mapmaker
The Oregon Crisis (as we call it) provided the City of Kingston Ontario with four beautiful Martello Towers to defend the city and the entrance to the St. Lawrence River and the Rideau Canal. Similar Martello towers are located in Quebec City and in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
http://www.kingstonhistoricalsociety.ca/Murney_Tower.html
Kingston is also the site of Fort Henry, first built during the War of 1812, to protect the region and the Royal Naval Dockyards. now the site of the Royal Military College.
http://www.forthenry.com/
So we have the Americans to thank for some of Kingston’s fine museums and tourist attractions.
Kingston is a historical city, and was briefly the capital of Canada. Long ago when I lived in Kingston after attending Queens University, I became friends with my elderly neighbour, Miss Rogers. One day, in the course of conversation, she told me how as a young girl she had attended the funeral of Sir John A Macdonald, the first Prime Minister of Canada. The details she recalled were scant, since she was only about six years old in 1891 – she recalled going in the front door of the City Hall (the first Parliament Building of Canada), then much talk , and exiting through the side door and seeing the sailing ships in the harbor.
Allan,
Thompson’s maps of the Pacific NW from the Rockies to the Pacific via the Columbia drainage couldn’t have helped Lewis and Clark, since he had not made them yet.
In fact, he was dispatched into the Oregon Country in 1806 specifically because of the threat posed to the Hudson Bay and Northwest Companies by the American expedition.
Sturgis – You may be correct.
I should not have said “Oregon destination” but possibly “part of their route”.
I have little time but here is one reference:
http://www.northwestjournal.ca/XI1.htm
“McCracken, an ex-artilleryman, was already a frequent and longtime visitor to the Mandan villages by the winter of 1797-98, when he and René Jussaume guided the NWC’s David Thompson to the Mandans.” (in present-day North Dakota)
“When Lewis & Clark left St. Louis, they soon entered unfamiliar territory. The westernmost European settlement they passed through was the French hamlet of La Charette, on the Missouri at about 91° west longitude. To the north, in British territory, the situation was quite different. In 1793, Alexander Mackenzie and his voyageurs became the first Europeans to reach the Pacific by an overland route. Their voyage began at Fort Fork (near today’s city of Peace River, Alberta), at 117° W; this was at least 1600 kilometers west of La Charette. By 1804, the North West Company’s Rocky Mountain House & the Hudson’s Bay Company’s Acton House (both near 115° W, near today’s Rocky Mountain House, Alberta) had been operating in the foothills of the Rocky Mountains for almost five years, supported by a string of fur posts extending east to Hudson’s Bay and Montreal. In 1804, Peter Fidler of the Hudson’s Bay Company (HBC) was exploring and mapping the area east of the Rockies, and David Thompson of the North West Company (NWC) was searching for a practical trade route through the mountains to the Pacific.”
I’m happy to report that more Americans died as a result of drunk driving incidents, than were killed by terrorists this 4th of July.
The Jihad isn’t focused yet on the US. I don’t know how else to put that. They focus on soft targets they are able to acquire. Last week the Jihadist killed a few hundred people many hundreds injured in these focused areas. Including over 100 in a fishing village in Niger their crime praying to another god other then Allah. make no mistake we are on their list.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10642979/Boko-Haram-kill-over-100-in-village-massacre.html
Ox,
Open up your sources, brother. You are being led to pure hatred by people with an ulterior motive.
“It’s key to understand the difference between Judaism and Islam to understand why the establishment of Judaism doesn’t accept this text as something that applies to today. Islam it’s not just accepted it’s encouraged.”
You may have been led to believe that only Islam is a “complete way of life,” that excludes those who do not follow the prescribed way. If you’d open yourself up to reality, you’ll have a rude awakening. Virtually every religion professes to be “the way,” and to believe that those who do not follow “the way” are “lost sinners.”
Here’s how a Jewish site describes “the way” of Judaism:
“Judaism is not just a set of beliefs about G-d, man and the universe. Judaism is a comprehensive way of life, filled with rules and practices that affect every aspect of life: what you do when you wake up in the morning, what you can and cannot eat, what you can and cannot wear, how to groom yourself, how to conduct business, who you can marry, how to observe the holidays and Shabbat, and perhaps most important, how to treat G-d, other people, and animals. This set of rules and practices is known as halakhah. ”
http://www.jewfaq.org/halakhah.htm
Kent Clizbe. said, ” Virtually every religion professes to be “the way,” and to believe that those who do not follow “the way” are “lost sinners.” ”
So, tell us what happens to a Munafiq in Saudi Arabia for example? what is the punishment?
I love it when Muslims explain. It’s always better.
BTW – hate is the wrong word. First: I love Muslims. They are the only individuals that can fix this problem without massive bloodshed that is otherwise inevitable in our children’s future.
I don’t hate the Islamic Ideology. it’s very bad but not something I would be obsessed with which is the meaning of the word, “hate”
For scientific accuracy, you might like to document number of incidents causing destruction and death initiated by US State (plus close allies) vs those initiated by foreigners against the US mainland.
You will find that, for a country whose net murdering index is very high, you are inordinately sensitive about people retaliating against you. In other words, the differential value you place on American- vs non-American human life makes it hard to suggest that you are not a bunch of racists based not on skin colour but on passports…..
Decent folks like me do not ever equate the actions of USA Inc with the fundamental decency of ordinary American folks, but you really need to bring your State apparatus under control.
Passport ?
I can visit the Seattle needle, the San Francisco sea markets, while on my way to New Orleans, then onto Orlando, then we got what ?, Hilton Head on the way to New York.
Oops, I left out Vegas.
From ABC australia news comes the following:
A spate of shooting incidents across the US city of Chicago has left eight people dead after a chaotic July 4 Independence Day weekend, police say.
Another 41 people were wounded, according to local media.
Among the victims in the 33 shootings was a seven-year-old boy, Amari Brown, who was fatally shot in the chest on his way home from one of the many celebrations taking place around the city.
Like I said, from those outside looking in, it appears that the average US citizen has far more to fear from its own than from externals.
Mick
Idiocy and thuggery murders are a constant in any civilization. Money from illegal activities can help drive these thugs. Ideologies based on our total elimination is an entirely different matter.
Anthony, why don’t you have your spook friend have a look at this?
I poked around that 2 1/2 hour video. one part said, “why would muslims attack London. There is no reason for them to.”
Another part said, “if the real attackers where Mi-5, the Israel secret service or another group is yet to determined.”
This is a clear case of ‘truthers’ similar to the 9/11 truthers intentionally leaving out key evidence to make a case the government used a false flag to do their evil bidding.
Truthers always seem to leave out the most important key ingredient. if they where right that would mean Bush and Tony Blair are the two most brilliant people to ever walk this earth to fool so many people and still Bush is unable to pronounce his own name.
Sorry, they crack me up. They’re good for entertainment value I give them that. Not this video though 2 /12 hours of none sense.
I would like to answer the primary question in my opinion:
“why would muslims attack London? There is no reason for them to.”
This is a parody of why Islam commands to kill us but is exactly right:
The key part that isn’t in this parody is that we are all born Muslims according to the Qur’an 30:30 which means all none-Muslims are apostates.
Try reading some torah:
https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/88341/
aletho
Both Christianity (reformation) and judaism (Haskalah Orthodox had their own reforms) had major reforms on how they read their holy text those text that you listed are text that is now seen as events of history not of commandments of how to live their life today.
Granted there are a few groups that doesn’t recognizes these changes such as the Lehi (group) which worked with the Nazi’s and Stalin and against Britain in order to form what we now know as Israel. That group no longer exists today the only group similar to it would be the Jewish Defense League which are extremist within Judaism and are not recognized by any Jewish community in any shape or form.
Islam extremist is just the opposite of these groups. The main stream of Islam recognizes these groups such as the Islamic State not only that they encourage them. As an example they can go on Hajj (pilgrimage) other people that call themselves Muslims are no allowed in. Hajj is like the gate way of who is officially a Muslim and who are not. Because all Muslims are required to hajj if they can afford it.
Just to get this into figures we can understand. At the peak of the JDL they claimed 13,000 members which is questionable at best. Those that support the Islamic State is in the millions this statistic shows 43 million in support of the group. Which isn’t far off with around hundred thousand fighting just in DAIISH (not counting the other locations) they would need a far greater number supporting them.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/587951/Islamic-State-ISIS-Muslims-jihad-Iraq-Syria-Clarion-Project-terrorism
In fact, the text I linked to is featured at the Chabad website and in many instances mirrors current Jewish/Zionist conduct.
The Koran has nothing that comes remotely close. Who are the real extremists?
said, “the text I linked to is featured at the Chabad website”
I did I shown you two examples how YOU miss interpret their books. I will stay it again. You can’t interpret their books only they can. Same with Islam.
I can’t interpret their books that is why I show the actual Islamic law, Fatwa and the Tafsir (official interpretations.)
If you picked up the Qur’an and read it. It’s meaningless without context. You must know context of what is said. For example in the Qur’an Muhammad talks about Allah’s his three daughters Al-Lat, Al-‘Uzzá and Manāt. But we all know Islam is Monotheist belief so what is this? You must know context (in this case he put up another sign.) The only way to understand context is through the Hadith.
http://quran.com/53 19 and 20
yes, I understand what your saying. Take the first one: “And foreigners shall build your walls, and their kings shall serve you, for in My wrath I struck you, and in My grace have I had mercy on you.”
Its interpreted to mean this:
” The passage has, however, a meaning beyond the literal one. “Strangers” of all kinds, Greeks, and Romans, and Syrians, and Africans, and Cauls, and Spaniards, and others, assisted in building and enlarging the walls of the Church as it spread over the world, set up its bulwarks in the Creeds, and fenced it round about with various decrees and canons. Their kings shall minister unto thee (see the comment on ver. 3). Among ministrant kings may be mentioned Cyrus, Darius the son of Hystaspes, Artaxerxes Longimanus, Alexander the Great, Constantine, Theodosius, Charlemagne, St. Louis, etc.”
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/60-10.htm
Try to understand a very simple point it’s their book not yours. They can read it anyway they want.
They choose to set it in a time frame which is not today.
said, “Koran has nothing that comes remotely close. Who are the real extremists?”
You got to be kidding me? Right?
If the extremist in Islam had their way we are to be exterminated from the face of the earth.
No exceptions.
“For the nation and the kingdom that shall not serve you shall perish, and the nations shall be destroyed.”
This seems to be happening – shock and awe/shakinah.
I’m much less worried about ISIS since they will fall apart whenever Washington’s puppets stop financing them.
aletho:
“The nation… that will not serve thee shall perish. God’s curse shall be upon them; they shall wither and decay for lack of the Divine favour… ”
That is a warning from god not a commandment for the the followers to wage war.
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/60-12.htm
said, “shock and awe.. ”
That had nothing to do with any beliefs or ideologies. Bush made a lot of mistakes with that war… no point in rehashing that.
About the financing of the Islamic state.
1. Yes, we support one extremist group that eats human flesh to fight the Islamic state with $1.7 billion. Which in my book is freaking stupid.
2. a number of times arms and supplies that supposed to have gone to the other extremist side goes to the Islamic state. Mix up or intentional? If it was one or two mistake I could understand it. a number of mistakes it should be questioned but it’s not. Not even our media questions it.
3. The Kurds are maybe the only acceptable enemy we should be supporting yet we block arms shipments to them and Turkey just moved their own troops to fight the Kurds. Which obviously would help the Islamic State.
I honestly don’t know who’s side we really are on.
I admit this is your strongest point.
Yes, well apparently “shakinah” is from the torah – or is it the talmud? – and the Jewish neocons that advised Bush are still actively involved in determining US foreign policy.
Keep reading the verses it gets far more disgusting.
aletho Talmud. The Philistines and their god Beelzebub didn’t have a good relationship with the Judeo-Christian god. But this is referring to what their god did to the Philistines not what the followers are instructed to do.
Islam teachings their individual followers to be judge, jury and executioner for Allah. There isn’t anything like that in the Judeo-Christian beliefs.
“Islam teachings their individual followers to be judge, jury and executioner for Allah. There isn’t anything like that in the Judeo-Christian beliefs.”
What sort of nonsense are you reading? Your misguided beliefs are ridiculous.
Where in heavens name do you think that your insane misinterpretation is happening? Where are “individual followers judging, jurying, and executing for Allah?”
There are barbaric intra-religious regional civil wars going on in Islamic countries. Iraq/Syria/Lebanon is the continuation of a millenia-old territorial and schismatic conflict.
The exact same thing has happened between Christians, with much worse atrocities committed in the name of the religion. An even worse regional civil war, among Christians, is raging right this very second, in South Sudan.
Maybe a better word for it is legal vigilantism? Legal vigilantism is also the reasons we see Jihad, Honor killings and so on.
From Hadith:
“So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.” http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/084-sbt.php#009.084.064
“A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.”
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/038-sat.php#038.4349
Islamic Jurisprudence(Islamic Law):
o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
…
-2- a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim;
-3- a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject of the state is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences);
-4- A father or mother (or their fathers of mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring;
-5- nor is retaliation permissible to a descendant for (A: his ancestor’s) killing someone whose death would otherwise entitle the descendant to retaliate, such as when his father kills his mother.
http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/resources/reliance2_complete.pdf
page 584
Fatwa:
“If there is no one who can carry out the hadd punishment of Allaah and stand up for the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) then the Muslim has to do whatever he can, so long as that will not lead to further mischief and harm against other people.”
http://islamqa.info/en/14305
And you think that vigilantism and honor killings are unique to Islamic cultures?
Again, widen your sources, and see what’s happening in the real world.
Many cultures and religions, from Sicilian and Mexican Catholic, to Indian Hindu carry out much worse versions of honor killings. It’s a big world out there.
“with much worse atrocities committed in the name of the religion.”
I believe you meant to say the Lord’s Resistance Army from Uganda not Sudan that is an Islamic State group you just pin pointed.
Lord’s Resistance Army is a Christian cult group put together to retaliate against Islamic extremist and their families. Bad? yes no doubt about it. They have a total of about 200 troops. They killed over 2000 people since 2007 when they started. That kind of number is a ‘good day’ for the Islamic state.
In other words there is no comparison.
Ox,
FIrst, and again, open your sources. Your mind is being polluted with pure hatred.
Second, don’t put words on my keyboard. I said exactly what I meant, SOUTH SUDAN is the “newest nation,” and it is a 100% Christian nation. Since it was founded several years ago, it has descended into the most barbarous, horrific atrocities on the face of the earth.
Just because you are ignorant of reality, history, and current events does not make it go away. Christians are slaughtering Christians, and anyone else who gets in their way, with wanton abandon.
The point is that there are barbarians of all religions.
“… Armed troops loyal to the former vice-president Riek Machar, swept into Bentiu and systematically shot dead foreigners and people from enemy tribes. Others from supportive groups were led to safety.
The exact number of people who died in the massacre remains unclear, but at least 200 were killed in the Kali-Ballee mosque in the capital of Unity state, and 400 wounded, the UN Mission in South Sudan (Unmiss) said in a statement. ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/south-sudan/10778097/South-Sudan-rebels-slaughter-hundreds-in-ethnic-massacres.html
kentclizbe “you think that vigilantism and honor killings are unique to Islamic cultures?”
Yes, absolutely. There is one exception which is the Tigers of Tamil Eelam which is a very odd and very small Hindu group. Without mentioning them would be deceiving. I haven’t followed them much because their only a threat to India they’re not out for world domination and they don’t target themselves as Islam does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam
To be very clear. No other belief makes it acceptable to take their gods law into their own hands then write this in to law.
Picture how devastating this is for a culture. Mind you this happens a lot in the Islamic culture I can site examples if you wish. picture minding your own business as a Muslim then someone (anyone) come up to you and accuse you of hypocrisy. He can execute you on the spot. You’re family after your dead must prove your innocence to get him into trouble with the Sharia court. Which is very rare.
The whole civilization wouldn’t be able to trust one another. I couldn’t imagine that to be honest.
OxA,
You have avoided dealing with the Torah sanctioned/inspired state terror issues that I have brought up. I will take that as your acceptance of the fact that the US and Israel are in fact state religio-terrorist entities.
An invitation to ISIS: Please come visit the South. We will provide you a fireworks show you won’t soon forget, all the virgins you can possibly handle, and the opportunity to become much more holey (no, it’s not misspelled) than you are now. We’re waiting for you . . .
Ox,
You seem to be a well-intentioned person. But you are being fed utter garbage about Islamic culture.
“Picture how devastating this is for a culture. Mind you this happens a lot in the Islamic culture I can site examples if you wish. picture minding your own business as a Muslim then someone (anyone) come up to you and accuse you of hypocrisy. He can execute you on the spot. You’re family after your dead must prove your innocence to get him into trouble with the Sharia court. Which is very rare.
“The whole civilization wouldn’t be able to trust one another. I couldn’t imagine that to be honest.”
Have you ever been in an Islamic country?
Clearly not. Here’s a good approximation of visiting a majority Muslim country–Malaysia. This guy (a non-Muslim) does videos of a typical walk through the city in places he visits around the world. This is a random, non-scripted, slice of reality. As you’ll see, it differs from your alarmist hatred like night does from day.
Notice people of all ethnicities, religions, backgrounds, social statuses, mixing and mingling peacefully.
Your paranoid fantasy (who in heavens name told you such nonsense?) of random religious murders is literally insane.
Then watch another video about Muslim KL, made by a Chinese (nonMuslim) TV show.
I’d highly recommend that you get out of your terrified shell, and visit the real world. A couple weeks in Malaysia (or Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world) would disabuse your of your AIPAC-fueled fantasies.
kentclizbe
Being a Muslim means you must follow the Iqamat-ud-Deen Establishment of the religion. It’s a highly detailed step by step instructions on how to dress, how to talk, how to present yourself.
Those video’s are good examples of a country living as Munafiq
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munafiq
i seen one man and women that dressed as a Muslim in that first video which they might have been foreigners? When I mean detail it is extremely detailed. How to fold each piece of clothing when you put on the Najab and so on. The video went by to fast for me to evaluate if they dressed correctly. I tried to pause it but it was on a bad angle.
As this issue fades into memory (scare-mongers rely on people having short memories–they’re always able to rekindle the next scare, and few remember their failures from the past), it’s appropriate to provide a counter-point to the “terror change alarmists.”
Remember, the government which issued the “terror threat” warnings for the 4th is the exact same government which has deemed “deniers” fair game for denigration and destruction, and which issues official pronouncements that “climate change/global warming/CO2” is an imminent threat.
Reality, in both cases is far from the government’s scare-mongering.
We know the truth of the CO2 threat.
Some details to put the Islamic terror threat to America in context. Remember, if you only read “Grist” you’d be terrified of CO2. If you only listen to the government (or the AIPAC scare machine) about terrorism, you’ll be terrified too:
“Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.
“In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.* This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.
“(We determined that approximately 118 of the terror attacks – or 4.9% – were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States. In addition, there were approximately 168 attacks – or 7% – by anti-abortion activists, who tend to be Christian. Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional – a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization – carried out more than 120 bomb attacks on U.S. targets between 1974 and 1983, and there were some 41 attacks by Cuban exiles, and a number of attacks by other Latin American groups.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html
And that’s that. Happy Independence Day! Free from terror and alarm!
said, “approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.”
Animal Liberation front and Earth Liberation front hasn’t killed anyone they are vandals not people with an intent to eliminate us.
Are you quite done yet ?
It’s getting monotonous.
u.k.(us) Me?
I was just attempting to answer kentclizbe and aletho questions. Their truther so what’s the point right?
I find it odd how someone can’t distinguish the difference between thugs and sim-organized murderers bent on our total destruction. Its like something from a bad movie.
Up date to this 4th of July:
“FBI Director James Comey revealed on Thursday that US authorities had prevented several Islamic State (ISIS) inspired plots to murder Americans in the US on the July 4 Independence Day holiday.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/197927#.VZ8–Plmq1k
And the final score of violence against Americans over the July 4th weekend?
ISIS: zero, 0, nada, none, nil, zilch
Illegal Alien invaders: murdered, raped and robbed too many Americans to count.
Just a few cases that can be found:
“On Friday, as Americans worried about the imminent ISIS attack:
Prudencio Juan Fragos-Ramirez, an illegal alien in Washington State, was accused of murdering an 18-year-old and her toddler son, then setting the pair on fire.
Irina Kolenkina, a Russian immigrant who does not speak English, was ordered to stand trial for the murder of her husband in Vienna, Wisconsin. Kolenkina had to be put into restraints because she became so combative upon her arrest.
Illegal immigrant Sinar Roblero Escalante found out he would get off scot-free for killing a 24-year-old man in East Naples, Florida, 10 years ago in a car accident. After the crash, Escalante had fled the scene on foot. He went on the lam and is believed to have hid out in Mexico for at least part of that time—thus, outlasting the statute of limitations. Escalante was recently re-arrested after being caught in his car with a baggie of cocaine on his lap.
In another immigration success story, Andrew Romero assaulted a prison guard in New Mexico last week. Romero is awaiting trial on charges that he murdered Rio Rancho Police officer Gregg Benner.
On our nation’s birthday, it was reported that Brogenet Cinor, a Haitian voodoo priest, was arrested for child rape in Florida.
On Monday, an illegal alien from Mexico engaged in a fatal hit-and-run accident in Bellingham, Washington, then fled the scene of the accident. Witnesses described a “short Hispanic man” running from the car, which was littered with empty beer bottles and a case of Modelo Especial. The illegal farm worker doesn’t speak English, but he was able to ask for an attorney in Spanish.”
http://www.vdare.com/articles/americans-murdered-over-weekend-isis-0-immigrants-too-many-to-count?utm_source=7%2F13%2F2015&utm_campaign=UA-18706545-2+&utm_medium=email
You can go back to your obsession with ISIS now.
Ain’t it the truth!
kentclizbe:
Thugs will be thugs. Those that want our total elimination is in a different category even if they seem inept.