Tuesday toon – Mont Doom

Josh writes: There is a hilarious transcript which was posted on BishopHill of a BBC Radio programme on the Lancet’s latest Alarm fest – all, no doubt, part of the run up to Paris in December. Dr Hugh says

If one’s looking at the estimates that have been produced in this piece of research, we’re looking at billions of events, so billions of individual people being exposed to – let’s just say extreme heat-wave events, on their own, over the next decades. And of course this plays out, whilst we emphasise the climate effects, it’s playing out on a pretty stressed world system, as well, with reductions in water supplies and in topsoil, and so forth. And these things are coming together in a, in a – excusing the bad, sort of, pun or analogy – a perfect storm, really.

Doomery_scr

I was not sure a cartoon would be quite as entertaining so I went for more of a portrait.

Cartoons by Josh

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Latitude
June 23, 2015 2:14 pm

we will go down in history as the “coddled culture”..
I’d like to see this compared to all the genocides that are/have taken place.

highflight56433
Reply to  Latitude
June 23, 2015 7:14 pm

I think its worse than coddled …there are no men…. just little boys with little toys …no principles… no back bone… no testosterone…

June 23, 2015 2:16 pm

Probably.

Retired Engineer Jim
June 23, 2015 2:17 pm

“[b]illions of events” – wow, how many per day? How many per hour?

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  Retired Engineer Jim
June 23, 2015 4:24 pm

Jim, I’m working on a model for that, it will indicate many catastrophic outcomes with a fair amount of uncertainty, could you pony up 200 grand to study it further.

auto
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
June 24, 2015 12:54 pm

Mark
Sterling – or Yen?
Not Zim dollars; I assume
A quadrillion does buy a de-ballasting event in a publicly operated urinal!
Old Turkish Lire . . .
My boy is a millionaire in Old Turkish Lire – saved my teeth from a can of Cola, in the ‘Oughties’ . . . .
Auto

Editor
Reply to  Retired Engineer Jim
June 23, 2015 5:36 pm

The article makes it clear that these heat-waves are personal : “billions of individual people being exposed to – let’s just say extreme heat-wave events, on their own“.

urederra
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 24, 2015 12:33 am

Yeah, I am too looking forward to the next Jessica Alba’s movie. I also suffer from a extreme heat-wave event on my own every time she is on the screen.

old44
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 25, 2015 6:54 pm

urederra:
On your own what?

Richard G
Reply to  Retired Engineer Jim
June 23, 2015 5:44 pm

At one event per second for the next 85 years, you could probably get to a couple of billion events.

Leo Norekens
Reply to  Retired Engineer Jim
June 24, 2015 12:44 am

Well… if my house is hit by, say, a hailstorm, and my neighbour’s house is hit by a hailstorm… that’s two hailstorms already.
Right ? So ….

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Leo Norekens
June 24, 2015 6:46 pm

You’re on the right track, but what really matters is how many individual hailstones affected you personally. Then multiply by the number of people who could possibly be exposed to hailstones,,,

zemlik
June 23, 2015 2:23 pm

well, when we started all this stuff it wasn’t supposed to turn out like this.
(confused face )

Resourceguy
June 23, 2015 2:35 pm

billions of……$$$$$$ perhaps

Ack
Reply to  Resourceguy
June 23, 2015 2:57 pm

That pretty much covers it.

OK S.
June 23, 2015 2:37 pm

So if we manage to cut down a bit on red meat consumption and animal consumption, that’s fewer cows belching methane out of their ruminant’s stomachs, that’s less greenhouse gases but also means less bowel cancer for us blokes, it means less coronary disease and strokes and so forth.

There’s good reasons for eating vegetables, but I wonder if the good professor has studied the ratio of methane produced by beef eaters to that producee by bean eaters.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  OK S.
June 23, 2015 4:10 pm

Won’t less coronary disease and strokes lead to longer human lifetimes and related GHG emissions?

observa
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
June 23, 2015 10:52 pm

That’s what I figure so I’m gulping down those methane belchers as much as I can so it’s win win for these Greenies who don’t want either of us around messing up Gaia.
It’s the considerate kinda guy I am trying to please everyone all the time.

4TimesAYear
Reply to  OK S.
June 24, 2015 12:24 am

And onions, leeks, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, turnips, parsnips, and all those other gas producing vegies.

emsnews
Reply to  4TimesAYear
June 24, 2015 4:13 pm

Do not f@rt or you die. 🙂

RonPE
June 23, 2015 2:38 pm

In my case, the “event” will be wiping the sweat from my brow one extra time every four days. This will be equal to 0.642 * butterfly wing flaps.

June 23, 2015 2:42 pm


Pointman

RoHa
Reply to  Pointman
June 24, 2015 6:13 pm

No-one does doom like John Laurie.

RoHa
Reply to  RoHa
June 25, 2015 2:31 am

Of course, John Laurie knew a thing or two about doom. He served in the artillery in WW1, and saw that there were worse things than bread that didn’t rise properly.

eyesonu
June 23, 2015 2:45 pm

Anyone reading these comments needs to follow the link to the transcript of that Montgomery clown. Be very afraid as they walk among us.

June 23, 2015 2:52 pm

We are Doomed! Doomed as Doomed can be!
Doom Sayers have been around for a long time. The entire CO2 will kill us all thing has been a crazed doomsday scenario from the get-go. There has been no science. The very idea of CO2 warming the planet rather than a warmed ocean releasing more CO2 did not pass the smell test from the beginning.
We would be better off if it did warm up some more. Then maybe all those Ohio folk would stay put and stop moving to south to Florida. (and the rest of the snow birds to boot)

ColA!
Reply to  markstoval
June 23, 2015 7:18 pm

We are Doomed! Doomed as Doomed can be!
Doom Sayers have been around for a long time.
Here’s a classic https://landshape.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-from-climate-change-by-june-2015/

RoHa
Reply to  markstoval
June 23, 2015 8:56 pm

We are even more doomed than that.

Tim
Reply to  RoHa
June 24, 2015 8:10 am

And we are very, very doomed indeed! Mainly by things they can’t tax,( so they don’t mention them much.)
Like a big Space Rock collision, a huge super – volcano eruption, maybe gamma-ray bursts and supernovae. There’s also the possibility of false vacuum collapse; or how about a good old global pandemic? Not to mention a global famine – and oh, did I forget – a Nuclear Winter? (We must also remember those damned, unpredictable Tectonic Plates.)

amirlach
Reply to  RoHa
June 25, 2015 5:01 pm

Doomsayers, so tiresome and boring you wish you could tune them out…

zemlik
June 23, 2015 2:58 pm

Josh seems to be developing a style.
I think it is important to bear in mind the possibility that there might be a Jesus.
When I was younger I used to behave in consideration of some magical overseer would look at me and see if I made some error in my interactions with other people and my thoughts.
spookily when those thoughts were so pure Jesus made my life successful by happy co-incidence
I am not saying that this proof
I am saying that belief in Jesus might help good things to happen in your life.

zemlik
Reply to  zemlik
June 23, 2015 3:06 pm

did anybody read that first Iaan Banks book ” the wasp factory” ?
In male child there is no remorse, no affinity with another’s pain
Is remorseless inquiry into ( what the fvck is all this about )

zemlik
Reply to  zemlik
June 23, 2015 3:10 pm

as it all seems to be unknowable why not believe in Jesus

RoHa
Reply to  zemlik
June 23, 2015 8:57 pm

“as it all seems to be unknowable why not believe in Jesus”
No good reason to.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  zemlik
June 23, 2015 3:29 pm

Whether or not it makes good things happen in your life, it makes good things happen in other lives.

Tom Crozier
June 23, 2015 3:07 pm

“Yeah, there’s no shortage of money – easy to fix that”.
With that attitude he should have it “fixed” in no time. 😉

Hot under the collar
June 23, 2015 3:31 pm

I hear the British Jousting Association are going to publish a peer reviewed research article in “Lance It” proving that Medical Practitioners not mentioning climate change in their articles leads to fatal consequences at peer review.

Mike Singleton
Reply to  Hot under the collar
June 23, 2015 8:59 pm

Wouldn’t be surprised if they have the Black Knight from the Holy Grail as their champion

philincalifornia
Reply to  Hot under the collar
June 23, 2015 9:25 pm

Senior Author – Ivor Boyle ?

emsnews
Reply to  Hot under the collar
June 24, 2015 4:16 pm

What about the Leeches????

Mike from the Carson Valley on the cold side of the Sierra
June 23, 2015 3:44 pm

Wow! Just Wow! Open the hatch, here comes another load. How long till that bs show in Paris ? I can hardly wait.

Jack
June 23, 2015 3:49 pm

We have a doctor in Australia that follows this warmist line. He was so clever he fooled himself, so he went quiet for some time .
We should be making efforts to clean water and we can do that by 3 ways, treating it after the event, stop putting rubbish into the water and by using top soil as a filter rather than sediment washing into river systems.
CLean water and energy lift people out of poverty, not smarmy words.

Patrick
Reply to  Jack
June 23, 2015 7:40 pm

Talking of doomists, the SMH here in Australia carried no less than 6 articles concerning climate change. There were about 5 the day before. Then the ABC and SBS continued repeating them almost every hour.

EternalOptimist
June 23, 2015 3:49 pm

It may be a scurrilous rumour, but I heard the doomster doctor got this way when he was a patient in his own hospital. His notes said ‘prick his boil’, but nurse spooner got it back to front.

Reply to  EternalOptimist
June 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Now that was a cunning stunt …

ShrNfr
Reply to  EternalOptimist
June 23, 2015 6:31 pm

+1

Just an engineer
Reply to  EternalOptimist
June 24, 2015 12:15 pm

What’s a “poil”?

Bruce Cobb
June 23, 2015 3:50 pm

Among the gibberish Hughs spouts is the following word salad-esque gem, which I’ve divided by the commas used;
“There are no,
kind of,
of all the scientists whom I know,
that any will believe at all that climate change is not,
in this circumstance,
due to humans producing greenhouse gases.”
Alarmists appear to be mentally ill.

Mike from the Carson Valley on the cold side of the Sierra
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 23, 2015 3:54 pm

and contagious

David Chappell

and incoherent

June 23, 2015 4:14 pm

Let’s all sing “The Doom Song”!
https://youtu.be/sY278K4ljWs

amirlach
Reply to  James Schrumpf
June 25, 2015 5:03 pm

Damn! You beat me to it!

travelblips
June 23, 2015 4:30 pm

Oh dear… There were so many holes in his ‘steps’ we can take – talk about going around in a cotnradictory loop!

June 23, 2015 4:49 pm

COLD front hits Washington D.C. in June, proving CO2 heat causes Climate Change, only solution more redistribution of wealth.
Comedy Central.
Al Gore effect doubles down.

June 23, 2015 4:55 pm

A Pope in Paris in December for a meet up with these climate change nut jobs.
Just love to have a real big freeze hit town the same time.
Please, Please Al Gore effect do you stuff on time.

Jimmy Haigh
June 23, 2015 5:33 pm

In the good old days these nutters had to make do with sandwich boards.

Manfred
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
June 23, 2015 8:04 pm

I saw in London a sad looking fellow in a raincoat wandering about with a board front and back upon which was written, ‘Too much protein is the work of the devil – Repent the end is nigh”….. and at the time I thought that the exemplar of pathos. The good Dr. has surpassed himself…finally, where pathos meets bathos.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  Manfred
June 23, 2015 11:41 pm

Manfred, was that back in the mid-1970s? He used to include, “Less cheese, less lust…” Oxford Street wasn’t the same without him.

Steve Oregon
June 23, 2015 7:14 pm

…..”we’re looking at billions of events, so billions of individual people being exposed to – let’s just say extreme heat-wave events, on their own, over the next decades”
If he were honest…..
It would read
…….”we’re looking at billions of measurements, so billions of individual people being exposed to – let’s just say extreme adjustments, over the next decades”

rogerknights
June 23, 2015 8:03 pm

The cartoon should have shown the body of a chicken, with flapping wings instead of arms.

Glenn999
Reply to  rogerknights
June 24, 2015 6:26 am

what do you have against such a noble bird as the chicken?

Brad
June 23, 2015 8:13 pm

Is there a resemblance to Al Gore???

Khwarizmi
June 23, 2015 8:42 pm

The wild exaggerations of heat deaths in the media over the last few days pale in comparison to what I just discovered at wikipedia.
18 MILLION people were allegedly killed by the heat waves in 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Northern_Hemisphere_summer_heat_waves
There are a few disclaimers at the top of the page. ☺

Reply to  Khwarizmi
June 23, 2015 10:14 pm

@Khwarizmi well spotted
“17,905,000 deaths globally” – an extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence presented.
It’s preceded by another : “about $500 billion (2011 USD) of damage was done”
..There’s NO REFERENCE after the 2 sentences to an external source. (which is the normal Wikipedia requirement)
– It seems like the article was created/maintained by some fanatics interested in hyping ‘weird weather’ using Wiki as their own webpage. I searched for proper external articles, but found nothing. Searching for “Northern Hemisphere” “Heat Wave” of “2010” just showed one amateur page and a China Daily July 2010 News story.

richard verney
Reply to  Khwarizmi
June 23, 2015 10:51 pm

I was in Spain that summer and I did not think that it was particularly hot. If I recall, the heatwave was centred more over Russia/Eastern Europe.
i do not recall at the time hearing about any deaths in Scandinavia, the UK or even Greece due to the heatwave, I do recall hearing about a few deaths in Spain (not many) and more deaths in France.
The figure seems a gross exaggeration and even if one takes a wide view on heat related deaths, I doubt that a figure of more than a few thousand could be reached, and I bet the real number is well below that. It is nothing like the premature winter mortality figures seen recently in the UK due to a spate of colder than usual winters and ever increasing fuel poverty.

June 23, 2015 9:05 pm

Maybe we could cure his insanity by paying him only in Zimbabwe dollars?
These are real money in much the same way climatology is science.

Reply to  john robertson
June 23, 2015 10:23 pm

Pay him in Hanergy shares.
There is ONE real world vs the fanatasy green worlds of doom or magic solutions.
BTW ..news just in from Reuters Hanergy declines to disclose parent’s accounts to Hong Kong bourse ..Hmm, that is not likely to get the fallen stock back on the stock exchange. “our company has 2 divisions, one worth $90bn and a second which is the first’s largest customer but its book are entirely secret” Right.

4TimesAYear
June 24, 2015 12:27 am

Give him a one-way ticket to the North Pole; let him ride out all this “doom” there and see if that helps.

Paul
Reply to  4TimesAYear
June 24, 2015 5:27 am

“Give him a one-way ticket to the North Pole”
A meeting with an endangered polar bear, would have the MSM shouting that AGW is causing the poor bears to change diet to blowhards and dolphins. Yikes, it’s much worse than we thought…

icouldnthelpit
June 24, 2015 1:05 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

RockyRoad
Reply to  icouldnthelpit
June 24, 2015 6:44 am

Better that we take such insanity seriously? Surely you jest.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  RockyRoad
June 24, 2015 8:48 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

DirkH
Reply to  RockyRoad
June 24, 2015 2:27 pm

California is returning to its natural desert state?
“If you can’t see what’s starting to happen right now in California, India, Pakistan, Australia ”
Re Australia: You missed the brutal demise of Flannery’s “No more rain forever” prophecy… I think that was 4 years ago. You gotta update your song and dance it seems.

emsnews
Reply to  RockyRoad
June 24, 2015 4:20 pm

LA is the center of the Universe.
Buffalo, NY doesn’t exist. sarcasm time!

June 24, 2015 1:24 am

While the tales of doom and disaster
They keep on inflating,
Where’s the CAGW,
The whole world is waiting?
http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/the-time-has-come-to-stop-being-afraid/

Johna Till Johnson
June 24, 2015 5:02 am

It’s okay, guys. “Billions of people”–women of a certain age–have been surviving “extreme heat-wave events on their own” for thousands of years. No biggie. 🙂

mark
June 24, 2015 5:13 am

“So if we manage to cut down a bit on red meat consumption and animal consumption, that’s fewer cows belching methane out of their ruminant’s stomachs, that’s less greenhouse gases but also means less bowel cancer for us blokes, it means less coronary disease and strokes and so forth”
One guy has so many things backwards lol.
I’ve substantially upped my intake of meat, fat, and cholesterol while avoiding grains and sugar. I lost 30 lbs in 6 weeks, lowered my triglycerides and signs of inflammation. Hopefully people are beginning to understand cholesterol is necessary to survive and it’s the grains and sugars that cause inflammation which leads to heart attacks and strokes. I just made a shake this morning with 5 eggs yolks, high fat yogurt, avocado and some berries.

Alx
June 24, 2015 5:29 am

we’re looking at billions of events, so billions of individual people being exposed to – let’s just say extreme heat-wave events, on their own, over the next decades.

So let’s see, there has been billions of extreme heat waves? Or maybe it is billions of events times billions of people creating a ka-zillion of unclear but certainly bad events. And since when did people have to deal with bad events on their own. During WWII was Europe liberated and Jews freed from concentration camps on their own? During the massive earthquakes in China, did China just ignore the people affected? Do we have policeman, fireman, and hospitals just for show?
This is the most childish, nonsensical gibberish I have heard in a while, is Dr Hugh mentally disabled or a heavy drinker?

Reply to  Alx
June 24, 2015 6:04 am

@ALx He’s a “HEAVY BELIEVER” …and like an alcoholic in denial* about the real world, just like L.Ron Hubbard followers and other cultists. (*pity that this word has been hijacked of course)

Admad
June 24, 2015 6:22 am

CO2 really does do everything

Travis Casey
June 24, 2015 8:36 am

I.m hoping for a snowstorm in Paris on Dec. 7-8. The Al Gore effect…
http://www.holiday-weather.com/paris/averages/december

June 24, 2015 10:13 am

We don’t know when and we don’t know where, but somewhere sometime it will be hot and we’ll be right there claiming that it’s all your fault.

R. Johnson
June 24, 2015 10:17 am

Just a suggestion for Josh. Consider doing a redesign of the great seal of the US for the upcoming COP 21. In the foreground, a dead bald eagle, with a ribbon in it’s beak that says “died of a theory”, and in the background a wind tower, and an image of Obama, with a big ####-eating grin on his face and holding the UN flag in one hand and a hockey stick in the other.

johnbuk
June 24, 2015 11:48 am

Leo Norekens – “Well… if my house is hit by, say, a hailstorm, and my neighbour’s house is hit by a hailstorm… that’s two hailstorms already.
Right ? So ….”.
Brilliant, I can confirm that Chromebooks don’t react well to red wine being sprayed on them from the nose and mouth – my solicitors will be in touch soonest!!

Brian R
June 24, 2015 11:49 am

It used to be that people that said “THE END IS NEAR” were just laughed at as you passed them on a street corner. Now they get time of radio and TV shows.
What a sad, sad world we live in.

JB
Reply to  Brian R
June 30, 2015 4:10 am

At least some of us are still laughing at them.

June 24, 2015 12:33 pm

With Met office predicting a cool sun cycle, we might be right to enjoy the sun this summer. It’s very possible that this summer is .04C warmer than summers will be 30 years from now. That could spell disaster for some highly sensitive vegetables somewhere. A few breeds of ultra temp sensitive fish might decrease in number by as much as 2%. Total freak out scenario. I would lines to home my wagon to three doom and gloom kids. Yes, eventually we are gonna butter our toasts for the last time, and that may be as soon as 62 years from now, unless life extension does us the great dishonour of allowing for cozy 150 year life spans. Yes, we have every reason to be utterly afraid

emsnews
June 24, 2015 4:24 pm

You live long enough you are doomed. The longer, the more doomed. 🙂

June 25, 2015 1:22 am

To those people that still don’t understand, if you listen to the audio direct link the garbling tone is that of a cultist living outside the real world. It is like a panicking 5 year old failing to understand PERSPECTIVE & CONTEXT.
I paraphrase : ‘The problem is huge & urgent ..whereas a zero CO2 fix is easy to implement’
Consider his point #7 “The first is: we’ve got to phase out the use of coal, quickly.. VERY SEVERELY damages human health, just from the particulate pollution it creates.”
When you are not in a cult you understand the difference between real big problems and minor problems
People’s health is affected by “coal power station” particles.
People’s health is affected by Open fire indoor cooking.
.. It the second case we are talking we are talking about 5 million people/year dying many years earlier.
.. Whereas in the case of new scrubber fitted power stations the effect is hours off some peoples lives .. So tiny it’s not going to appear on their death certificates. Lomborg explained on WUWT
Open fire indoor cooking is like “burning 400 cigarettes an hour”, that is a problem worth tackling.. whereas stopping particulates by closing a modern coal power station isn’t.
His next point #8 is that in imposing a huge carbon levy “countries don’t get poorer by doing that” “they get to keep that money and redistribute it. So actually that nation doesn’t become poorer – they can spend that money on reducing taxes” … Doesn’t that sound too romantic ?
Likewise he ends with his simplistic solutions :
“It is avoidable .. cut down a BIT on red meat consumption” “more active transport” ..is all that he mentions ..not disassembling the entire economy and lifestyle.

June 25, 2015 1:29 am

More detail on his points, (apologies for long comment, matter of public record)
#1 “it’s been largely ignored” No it hasn’t ..we’ve spent $ billions
#2 Takes the extreme weather CO2 link as proven and happening. However it is still not proven, though possible.
#3 He talks like a 5 year old all drama queening ..he’s not considered ANY POSITIVES.
#4 “the threat is immediate”. No it isn’t – There were no proven climate dead yesterday – So it is unlikely there’ll be any tomorrow.
“Climate change” has not been written on any death certificates so far.
#5 “Is there a way of fixing it?” “we can fix this right now” “there’s no shortage of money”
So tomorrow we can magically change the planet’s CO2 footprint ? really
Let’s look at past efforts ..we have made $billions worth of effort and made no noticeable global decline in CO2. No cost/benefit analyses seem to be available for past CO2 saving measures.
All that SEEMS to have happened is western countries have moved big industry offshore.
– “there’s no shortage of money” – So you don’t find that claim laughable ?
Mike Singleton said “investments in renewables in the EU have halved since 2012.”
#6 “political will.. of 193 countries”
– They can’t control movement of big humans IMMIGRATION, how can they agree on CO2 molecules?
#9 I paraphrase his breathless garbling as ‘There is no debate ..No scientists say climate change is NOT .. due to humans producing greenhouse gases.. only debate is the solution’
– Thats MISREPRESENTATION cos he needs the word ‘partially’ in there to make that true.
If he puts the word ‘entirely’ in ..it would be by anyone’s measure untrue .. the IPCC went for 50%
Anyway it’s the Strawman fallacy ! The actual talk is 1) about how much sensitivity is the CO2 to extra heat relationship..and that it ISN’T LINEAR (If it was there would not have been a temperature pause whilst in the last 15 years CO2 emissions have been historically huge.)
The actual talk is 2) is whether a zero CO2 solution is needed right now, cos if sensitivity is low then it’s not a priority.
#10 Presenter “Is this a clever way to change the narrative on climate change”
I paraphrase his breathless garbling as ‘I want to say for human beings’ ..”that is a grave threat” ‘NOW’ ‘not just icebergs way in the future’..so he means YES
#11 I paraphrase again : ‘It is SIMPLY avoidable * (ha ha !) a lot of SOME CO2 lifestyle changes also happen to be very healthy in their own right.’
” cut down a BIT on red meat consumption and animal consumption”, “more active transport”
“worth many tens of billions in savings in our health service”.. That’s easy to say BUT is that how it plays out ? If I don’t die at 65 does the health service save money ? No I live longer and come into the health system for something else.
* Again his romantic simplicity is remarkable – Failing to context a few MILLION westerners moving away from meat with the reality that a few BILLION new non-westerners will also be moving towards western style high consumption.

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