Full copy of the Pope's expected "climate encyclical" leaked, with translated sections

A copy of the Pope’s expected “climate encyclical” (in Italian) was leaked to the Italian press today.

climate-pope-coverOur friend Maurizio Morabito (who speaks Italian) translates and advises via email that his impression is that this is going to be seen as a “damp squib”.

He points to this paragraph in particular (translated mostly by Google Translate so there may be inaccuracy):

For poor countries, the priority should be the eradication of poverty and social development of their inhabitants; at the same time the scandalous level of consumption of certain privileged sectors of their population must be considered and better counter corruption. Of course, they must also develop less polluting forms energy production, but for this they have need to rely on help from countries that are grown much at the expense of pollution today the planet. The direct exploitation of abundant solar energy requires that you establish mechanisms and subsidies so that developing countries can have access to technology transfer, for technical assistance and financial resources, but always paying attention to concrete conditions, since the compatibility of the systems with the context for which they are proposed is not always properly assessed. The costs would be low when compared to risk of climate change. In any case, it is above all an ethical choice, based on solidarity of all peoples.

E. Calvin Beisner sends this translation of some other sections:

Here is a rough translation of the climate change portion of the Pope’s encyclical, Laudato Si, based on the L’Espresso published leak this morning in Rome (numbers followed by periods are presumably section numbers; other numbers are presumably page numbers):

 

The climate as a common good

  1. The climate is a common good of all and for all. It, globally, is a complex system in relation to many conditions essential for human life. Scientific consensus exists that indicates that we are very firm in

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presence of a worrisome warming of the climate system. In recent decades, that the heating was accompanied by the constant rise in the sea level, and is also hard not to relate it to the increase in extreme weather events, regardless of the fact that we can not attribute a cause scientifically determined at each particular phenomenon. Humanity is called to become aware of the need to change lifestyles, production and consumption, to combat this heating or, at least, the human causes that produce or accentuate. It is true that there are other factors (such as volcanism, and the variations of the orbit of the Earth, the solar cycle), but numerous scientific studies indicate that most of the global warming of recent decades is due to the large concentration of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and other) issued mainly because of human activity. Their concentrations in the atmosphere prevents the heat of sunlight reflected by the earth being dispersed in space. This is especially enhanced by the development model based on the intensive use of fossil fuels, which is at the center of the world energy system. It has also affected the increase in the practice of land-use change, mainly deforestation for agricultural purposes.

  1. In turn, the heating has effects on the carbon cycle. It creates a vicious cycle that exacerbates the situation even more and that will affect

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on the availability of essential resources such as drinking water, energy and agricultural production of the hottest areas, and will result in the extinction of the planet’s biodiversity. The melting of polar ice and high altitude threat of those escaping at high risk of methane gas, and the decomposition of organic matter frozen could further accentuate the emission of carbon dioxide. In turn, the loss of tropical forests makes things worse, since they help to mitigate climate change. The pollution produced by carbon dioxide increase the acidity of the oceans and impairs the marine food chain. If the current trend continues, this century could be witnessed climate change inau- fingers and unprecedented destruction of ecosystems, with serious consequences for all of us. Rising sea levels, for example, can create situations of extreme gravity when we consider that a quarter of the world population lives by the sea or very close to it, and most of the megacities are located in coastal areas.

  1. Climate change is a global problem with serious environmental implications, social, economic, and political distribution, area and are one of the main current challenges for humanity. Impacts heavier probably will fall in the coming decades on developing countries. Many poor people living in particularly

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affected by phenomena related to heating, and their livelihoods depend heavily from nature reserves and by so-called ecosystem services, such as agriculture, fisheries and forestry. They have no other financial resources and other resources that enable them to adapt to climate impacts or deal with catastrophic situations, and have little access to social services and protection. For example, climate change give rise to migration of animals and plants that can not always adapt themselves, and this in turn affects the productive resources of the poor, and they also see ob- bligati to migrate great uncertainty about the future of their lives and their children. Tragically, the increase of migrants fleeing poverty exacerbated by environmental degradation, which are not recognized as refugees will in international conventions and carry the burden of their lives abandoned without any protection legislation. Unfortunately there is a general indifference to these tragedies, which still occur in different parts of the world. The lack of responses to these dramaturgical me of our brothers and sisters is a sign of the loss of the sense of responsibility for our fellow men that underpin any civilized society.

  1. Many of those who hold more resources and economic or political power seem to concentrate mainly in the mask problems and hide the symptoms, just trying to reduce some of the negative impacts of climate change.

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But many signs indicate that these effects Po- tranno always be worse if we continue with current patterns of production and consumption. Therefore it has become urgent and compelling policy development in the coming years so that the emission of carbon dioxide and other heavily polluting gas is reduced drastically, for example, by replacing fossil fuels and by developing renewable energy sources. In the world there is a small level of access to clean and renewable energy. There is still a need to develop appropriate technologies for accumulation. However, in some countries there have been advances that are beginning to be significant, although they are far from reaching a significant proportion. There were also some investments in modali- ty of production and transportation that use less energy and require fewer raw materials, as well as mode of construction or renovation of buildings which do best- no energy efficiency. But these good practices are far from becoming general.

 

A full copy of the “climate encyclical” (in Italian) can be seen here (PDF)

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Eliza
June 15, 2015 6:22 pm

This is why I am leaving the catholic church. It no longer represents a creator.

Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 6:25 pm

Exactly, Eliza. The Pope believes the eco-fanatics control the climate? He is not in alliance with the teachings in the Bible, Old or New Testament.

E.M.Smith
Editor
Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 9:34 pm

I found it funny that El Papa was endorsing science as controlling God’s nature… Just amazing. Keep this up and he will be saying that man created God in his own image…
The world truly is upside down.

Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 9:36 pm

He has joined the War On PLANT FOOD. Kinda makes ya wonder.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 9:54 pm

After the destruction of the Noachian Flood, God promised to never do that again to the Earth. But he never said he wouldn’t use other means. How capricious! Does the pope have an explanation why God is now allowing man to destroy the Earth with CO2? /sacrilege off

Leonard Lane
Reply to  1957chev
June 15, 2015 11:15 pm

Sad, and what a tragedy for his faithful followers who do believe in God.

Jquip
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:07 pm

“And God saw Ivanpah, and, behold, it was very good.” — Genesis 1:31
Apparently it’s in the Latin translations.

Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 6:15 am

…. and the beasts of the air were mightily attracted to Ivanpah, and fried.

Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 9:34 am

Feeds the hungry. If you are quick enough. Loaves, fishes, and cooked birds. Manna from heaven.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:50 pm

Eliza,
I am troubled by this encyclical. I was hoping that the efforts of Marc, Lord Chris, et al would have precipitated a roll back. It seems that the language is a wet fish or damp squib so to speak.
The Encyclical in NOT INFALLIBLE TEACHING As such, since I know more about the subject of global warming than its author, I chose to ignore any recommendations extant from this erroneous clap-trap.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05413a.htm
I intend to stay fast and rebel and continue to call out the control of CO2 as the socialist plot that it is.
I do not believe the religious leaders in the UN when they say that humanity is causing my planet to warm.
I, therefore do not believe the Vatican, when the quote the anti-Christian UN that asserts that the 1) earth is warming and 2) that is the result of human activity.
Fear not for the Vatican is only contributing to its future incredibility in its bargain with the demonic UN for popularity. It will regret this encyclical.
Therefore we ought to continue to struggle for the truth and what is right.
I have other complaints about the whole wealth transfer tone of the encyclical but it is a bit of a damp squib.

Herbs
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 8:35 pm

Furthermore, the writ is intellectually poor, a school child’s litany of platitudes. But at least the social cost of enforcing ‘alternative’ energies is mentioned.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 8:44 pm

I saw that. There is a crack that Bjorn Lomborg can drive a TRUCK through. I say that is the weakness…. in trying to help the poor, the church has facilitated by legitimation, the extermination and permanent enslavement of the poor.

marque2
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 9:09 pm

It’s for funding. Dirty secret is Catholic charities are largely fundedby government, and governments are getting fed up with their un PC views – so agree with the governments on AGW and the governments will keep the gravy train going, plus the church can get more funding to save the poor from AGW.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 10:04 pm

The church could start funding the poor by liquidating all of its assets it has accumulated over the centuries.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 15, 2015 11:50 pm

Well said Paul.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 8:34 am

I agree with you and am somewhat relieved. Some people don’t realize it but it has long been the Church’s approach that if the growth of human knowledge conflicts with a traditional belief than our understanding in other words the belief was in error.
I was very worried that by taking a strong stand in an attempt to appease the left wing that the church could stray into a scientific foolishness that would make the Galileo affair a minor error.
In that mess Urban the VIII had numerous people, including several of the world’s leading astronomers claiming Galileo was wrong. Mostly because Galileo was such an arrogant jerk and had been embarrassingly and abusively wrong about other things like comets.
I think we all know, including the CAGW fanatics, that there is no likelihood of Carbon Dioxide causing dramatic warming. The hypothesis has failed too many tests. I am therefore relieved that the Church has not tied themselves closely to this foolish and dishonest cause.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 11:37 am

Paul Nevins,
Agreed. The Urban VIII approach was ok had it not been for the hostile reformation and a certain brand of biblical literalism from the protestants, later attributed unfairly to the Council. Today the Church is following the dominant (sadly) scientific position. In 1631, the Church HAD embraced the Copernican (revolutionary) view, against the dominant position of popular “science” They are still being chastised for that.
So I understand the hesitancy to assume a skeptics posture. They cannot win no matter what they say.
Unfortunately, when the dust settles, Francis et al will be excoriated as anti-science anyway. Yes, as you say, it will be worse than the Galileo affair.

Max Totten
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 12:05 pm

The church of Rome has often misinterpreted the word of God. They for example believe in ‘social justice’ and have promoted a society such as existed before modern industry. This is similar to the aim of Eviromentalists and Islam. The Bible however is critical of the lazy and unproductive. Read Luke 19 or the parable of the talents. Jesus would not praise those left coal and oil in the ground.
Max

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 1:56 pm

A piece of research……from Japan try to demonstrate that a warmer earth is conductive to a much higher proportion of Females being born than Males. The pope should be pleased, females attend church in a higher proportion than males, are, at times, instrumental in the religious indoctrination of the offspring (mainly Females!!), so what’s the Vatican complaining about? They should embrace the EVER so warming earth!! On the other hand, it will probably cost them a few extra zillions, initially, to build new and EVER so grandiose and bigger Churches. I would say (Grant needed) that the amount spend by the Vatican in building new places to accommodate more women that were born because of rising temperatures would be amortized by the extra donations in say …50 Years!! EVER in Gaia…..

Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:51 pm

That is SO good.

AB
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 7:54 pm

Jesus instructed his disciples thus.
Matt 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
The church is not doing this.
Gaia and materialism has led the church up the garden path. Anyone doubting this needs to visit the Vatican. I have twice with my now ex Catholic wife.

Reply to  AB
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

You’re right – they’re (USA & Vatican) both federal governments & they are not looking too good re: innovation – REAL or SPIRITUAL. The future is bottom-up, not top-down!

Reply to  AB
June 15, 2015 9:22 pm

The church also has bad relations with a certain healing plant. Caused by a mistranslation. Hebrew Etymology

Robert B
Reply to  AB
June 15, 2015 11:07 pm

A little thought goes a long way, M Simon.
What would you put together with myrhh, cinnamon, cassia and olive oil to make a perfume?
One of the other suggestions for Kaneh Bosem that have a nice lemon grass or cinnamon aroma
or cannabis?

tonyM
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 12:39 am

AB;
I have been a few times too. What exactly did u see that I may have missed?
Seems to me it has some of the least expensive admission tickets to some of the finest art in the world. St Peter’s was free unless you happened to dress inappropriately – in which case you would not be allowed to enter. I’m not even a practicing Catholic.

AB
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 4:23 am

tonyM
You answered your own question.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 4:43 am

AB, You are simply wrong. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care services in the world. It has around 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, and 5,500 hospitals, with 65 per cent of them located in developing countries. In 2010, the Church’s Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers said that the Church manages 26% of the world’s health care facilities.
We may have grievances with the Vatican on CO2, but it is doing a terrific job at healing the sick. Better than any other organization.

AB
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 5:23 am

Paul,
I think you missed the point. The founder of Christianity did not use material means to heal and revive humanity, nor did those who followed him or the prophets who preceded him. What you are describing is a quasi religious extension of temporal government activity, however I am not criticising this but pointing out an inconsistency, which makes it so much easier for the Pope to buy into a ” temporal” political cause, one we know is “fallible”. My Catholic friends are like yourself far from happy about this.

tonyM
Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 8:19 am

AB:
Then you have not understood my statement for it adds nothing to my observations and question.
It may highlight a marked difference in how we view art and spirituality. You are entitled to your opinion and view of course.

Reply to  AB
June 16, 2015 9:41 am

AB,
Of course they used material means. The oil was a medicine. We know how to replicate it and it is known to do the very things described. It is illegal. And the church is against it.
See my: June 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm link and read the linked article.

Antonia
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

This is terrible. Who would have thought Fancis could be so stupid as to give his name and authority to such embarrassing and unscientific rubbish.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Antonia
June 15, 2015 8:46 pm

…me.. but only since he has made so numerous “slips of the tongue” that I can’t invest the time to do damage control.

MarkW
Reply to  Antonia
June 15, 2015 9:41 pm

Unfortunately this pope has let ideology over rule theology so many times in the past, that I’m not surprised that he’s done it again.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Eliza
June 15, 2015 11:20 pm

Any religion that’s more interested in maintaining a monopoly on spirituality than spirituality itself is doomed. By their fruits you shall know them. The Church is meddling in politics and doesn’t know it. Pathetic.

Alba
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 2:22 am

Oh dear. A Church meddling in politics. What was all that fuss about Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust?

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 4:38 am

Pope Pius XII assisted 11 to 26,000 Jews flee Poland and Germany even though Hitler promised to destroy the Church if it interfered with Germany waging war. Also the NYT ran an editorial article in 1942 declaring that Pope Pius helped the Jews during the holocaust.
http://www.catholicleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Pius-XII-Christmas-Ad-2012-NYT-Salutes-For-Site1.pdf

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 9:46 am

Paul,
But he did not call on the faithful to resist Hitler. Which probably would have saved more that 26,000. And if it caused the destruction of “Rome” ? The Church would have been reborn. As Christ was.

Brint
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 12:27 am

The church has survived having foolish popes and even wolves-in-sheeps-clothing popes before. It will survive this one. I will remain a member of the church, but I’ve long since decided that my usual contribution to the collection plate is better placed in the poor box or sent to charities such as Little Sisters of the Poor.
This pope is too political compared to the prior (theologian) Benedict, and even John Paul II – though political – tempered that strongly with a firm and grounded theological foundation. Francis feels like he is a politician first and a priest second.

the1pag
Reply to  Brint
June 16, 2015 10:13 am

This pope was schooled to become anti-capitalist (pseudo-communalist?) in Argentina, where welching on bonds is a national art-form. He was elected in the Vatican to be infallible in matters of “faith and morals” and deserves to be excommunicated for co-opting the new AGW religion’s heresies.

mark
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 5:14 am

Wow. This is the only reason?

Shawn Marshall
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 9:43 am

do not leave the church please – we need good people to offset this goofy pope.

James Stagg
Reply to  Eliza
June 16, 2015 8:18 pm

‘Bye.

June 15, 2015 6:26 pm

The church has lasted 2000 years, it will last a few more even with this idiot as Pope.

MarkW
Reply to  Dan Koch
June 15, 2015 9:42 pm

The church will go on.
The Catholic Church, I’m not so sure.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2015 11:21 pm

Well put.

June 15, 2015 6:27 pm

Also great news all the time and money with have spent om stopping global warming worked. Woohoo!

June 15, 2015 6:29 pm

I’m going to be hard-pressed to not yell out and correct our priest during his talk if he says something that is untrue…

tom s
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:44 pm

DO IT!!

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:51 pm

Do it. But do so privately and respectfully. You have facts on your side.

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Well said.

Philipoftaos
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 8:40 pm

And the truth will set you free.

MarkW
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 9:46 pm

I used to be a member of the Episcopal Church, one morning when in the middle of the sermon, the priest started going on about how important it was to raise taxes so that govt could spend more on the poor.
I got up and walked out. When asked what I was doing I replied that I had thought I was there for a church service, not a ignorant lecture on faulty economic policy and to let me know when they decided to be a church again.
I haven’t been back to an Episcopal Service in almost 20 years.

asybot
Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2015 10:59 pm

, I had the same reaction but 48 years ago in the RC, the money ” tithe” that my father gave the church every Sunday could have been sorely used to buy us a better meal or a better pair of shoes. Beside the fact the “representative of the lord” used to come by once a week for a meal and a refreshment after made me a none believer pretty fast and I have not been back since. The blather in this report ( although I’ll wait for a full translation) if correct is total BS.

June 15, 2015 6:35 pm

Every time I hear something about the “common good” I’m reminded of a couple of quotes by another religious opinioneer, C.S.Lewis:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”
“What we call Man’s power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument.”
“We all want progress, but if you’re on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.”

Reply to  Notanist
June 16, 2015 8:42 am

CS Lewis was a famously devout Catholic. Interesting in the context of the surrounding statements. I wonder if perhaps some of the Catholic bashing is from people who really not that well informed.

Dermot
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 9:40 am

CS Lewis never actually became a Catholic, remaining an Anglican. He was though great friends with J R Tolkein who was a devote Catholic.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 11:50 am

Notanist,
Agreed. Tyranny is worse delivered by friends with smilies faces.
Paul,
I am unsure about this. I think CS Lewis remained a devote Anglican after his conversion to Christianity, though I acknowledge his work was philosophically Roman Catholic. He was great fiends with Tolkien, a Catholic, and loved GK Chesterton’s work. Sorry if I am wrong.

Philipoftaos
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 2:35 pm

Your Catholic faith should be about ones faith in Christ and his teaching, sometimes Priests and even Popes misinterpret the message. Please don’t loss your Faith because Popes and Priests are fallible. Every one can make a mistake, listen to bad advise or bad information. Sorry don’t want to be to preachy, I know the Pope and the Church aren’t perfect but I will still be Catholic.

June 15, 2015 6:36 pm

Eliza don’t leave. The Church will be around to the end. When it gets into matters outside its sphere of God given authority and inspiration if frequently looks and acts foolishly. I sent this e-mail to my daughter earlier today.
“Our pope was scammed. The damage to his moral authority will be immense if what we are reading holds true. Sex Scandals, economy wrecking progressive bias, administrative cowardice of Bishops, the clergy portrayed as pedophiles and homosexuals, have all seriously injured the Western church. This move by the Pope if true is another sign of foolishness in high places and an excuse to further disengage from the Clerisy that has ill become the Bride of Christ. Of course a Papal encyclical on politicized scientific issues buttressed by manipulated climate data and air headed computer models has zero moral weight. Now on the issue of rich nations injuring poor nations that is not so much a reach. The wealthy love money and most will do the darnedest things, frequently immoral things to get more money. Nations run by the wealthy will mistreat nations run by the wealthy by buying the corrupt leadership of the poorer nation. It is corrupt individuals, greedy, money loving individuals from nations rich and poor who wound the poor and ignorant. Not nations but individual sinners are perpetrators. This collectivist mind set imputing collectivist guilt on a corporate nation is balderdash. It implies of course that a collectivist government led by leftist leaders will somehow improve the outcomes. The opposite of course is true. Collectivist leaders are as, if not more, venal as democrat/republican leaders. Further, their outcomes are worse because they have totalitarian power over the collective. I hope my Pope has not beclowned himself and further injured the moral authority of our dear Church.

tom s
Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 15, 2015 7:50 pm

Oh he has…he has indeed.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 15, 2015 7:51 pm

yep…

Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 15, 2015 9:51 pm

“damp squib?” Is there a glabaloney lie he has missed? He looks like a total fool to me.

Reply to  GERALD KERR
June 16, 2015 2:52 pm

That’s good reading, Gerald.

charlie
June 15, 2015 6:36 pm

This pope is the anti-Christ.the end times are under way

Reply to  charlie
June 15, 2015 10:19 pm

Well the present pope is a slacker compared to Benedictus IX (c. 1030) who sold his papacy, later reclaiming it, was accused of committing murders, and who held homosexual orgies in the papal living quarters.

Reply to  charlie
June 16, 2015 12:33 am

They said that about every pope for the last… oh, 1500 years or so.

Cold in Wisconsin
June 15, 2015 6:39 pm

The Catholic Church has travelled down this foolish path before. When will they learn to stay focussed on their spiritual mission rather than get embroiled in this controversy.

June 15, 2015 6:42 pm

Full circle since Galileo (pun intended) – put us on trial.

June 15, 2015 6:42 pm

Did anybody see who the Pope talked to last year on this topic? Some of them are Joseph Stiglitz, Clinton’s former econ advisor and a member of socialist international. Jeffery Sachs who you can see giving a speech at the party of european socialists (itself part of socialist international). Sachs’ Earth Institute also lists George Soros as some kind of external advisor. Another person that was at the meeting last years has ties to Rockefeller.
The Pope also said that governments should redistribute wealth to the poor (he’s advocating socialism) and he gave communism a backhanded compliment.
I worry that the left has infiltrated my church.

Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:23 pm

I worry that the left has infiltrated my church.
After Pope John Paul II faced down the Soviet Union, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church was targeted by the KGB/FSB. They have a lot of patience. The current Pope is the result. Now they have their puppet in the Vatican.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  dbstealey
June 15, 2015 7:54 pm

Hmmm. I a beginning to believe that is true in a number of aspects that are not suitable for WUWT forums. On Climate , if His Holiness publishes this thing, he will leave a pile of crap for the next pope to clean up.

Wagen
Reply to  dbstealey
June 16, 2015 1:32 am

From Lewandowsky with love.
Kisses!

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  dbstealey
June 18, 2015 12:12 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Wagen
Reply to  dbstealey
June 18, 2015 3:47 pm

@theonewhocouldn’thelpit
It was a reference to the spy movie “from Russia with love”.
Kgb/fsb infiltration of the Roman Catholic Church! 😀

karabar
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:26 pm

The Left has infiltrated ALL of the (mainstream) churches, and it didn’t happen just yesterday.

asybot
Reply to  karabar
June 15, 2015 11:06 pm

Try and find a book “And not a shot fired” by a Check gov official Jan Kozak written about the post WWII infiltration of the Western bureaucracy through refugees etc. It is an eye opener and largely ignored, google it.

tom s
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 7:52 pm

Noooo….you don’t say? (/sarcasm)

Robert B
Reply to  kramer
June 15, 2015 10:16 pm

The cardinals that would stand up to Satan’s little helper are being harassed by the Left as well.

Donb
June 15, 2015 6:44 pm

“We can contend with the evil that men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from what they do in the name of good.”
Herodius

mike
June 15, 2015 6:50 pm

Dear Pope,
You and your church have more than enough pressing real problems to resolve. Pls stay on church mission/message and pls stay out of things you don’t know about. Or simply just stfu.

Patrick bols
Reply to  mike
June 15, 2015 7:03 pm

Same for Mr. Obama

Reply to  mike
June 16, 2015 1:13 am

Ditto.

June 15, 2015 6:54 pm

The Vatican, and most especially the Curia, is motivated by one thing… money. At the heart of any bad period in the Catholic Church’s history, it was always somehow rooted in a flow of money, whether it was the wealth flowing back from the New World or priest se abuse cover-ups, it was about maintaining a flow of money to the Vatican.
This Pope has been promised a piece of the $100 Billion Climate AId fund to its various Catholic charities. But of course, The Holy See takes an overhead slice (its piece of the action) of all that Aid money going to its missions and charities in the 3rd World poor countries. He is trying to wrest control of the Vatican bureaucracy from the money controllers, but he needs money to do that. This Climate encyclical is about the money promised by the UNFCCC delegation to those Church charities. For the Pope to get control of the Curia, he needs to control their money flow. With the Climate Aid money he can hold a stronger hand.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 15, 2015 7:49 pm

So by helping to retain the poor in an impoverished state, the Church gets to continue the missions of helping the poor. That is what I would call ‘saintly’ business.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  kokoda
June 15, 2015 10:17 pm

It’s also the modus operandi of the left in secular governments.

Reply to  kokoda
June 15, 2015 11:15 pm

Write the non-fiction book, “Buying the Vatican – How the UN bought a church.”

Reply to  kokoda
June 16, 2015 6:31 am

Write the non-fiction book, “Buying the Vatican – How the UN bought a church.”
Greatest line ever on WUWT

tonyM
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 16, 2015 1:23 am

Seems like petty cash when the World Bank is asking for US$89 Trillion. Do you think he should up the stakes?
Perhaps he is just voicing it as he sees it without embellishment or other emollients. I see little purpose in someone his age simply having power, money or whatever else if it does not fit in with his philosophy.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 16, 2015 4:27 am

Jeolobryan,
I hope this is not true but if you have some citations and references on this I would like to read them. Please post them if you can.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
June 16, 2015 8:49 am

This is not actually true, though I understand your view. The Vatican does not take a slice out of mission funds. Follow my website link I have worked with missions for years. Money occasionally comes from the Vatican but money donated to missions does not go to the Vatican. Some people like the Knights of Columbus donate substantial amounts to the Popes discretionary funds. But as a whole the Vatican budget is pretty tight especially for the size of the organization.
I admit this Pope makes me nervous but don’t get carried away. That only helps our real enemies.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Paul Nevins
June 16, 2015 11:52 am

Thanks, though your response was to Joelobryan.

John Greenfraud
June 15, 2015 6:56 pm

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20

Leonard Lane
Reply to  John Greenfraud
June 15, 2015 11:39 pm

Very true John. It is driven by leftist politics and politically correctness is a major weapon to squash any reason-based opposition.

Reply to  John Greenfraud
June 16, 2015 3:08 pm

That’s a perfect & fitting scripture for so much occurring currently in our political / media world…

June 15, 2015 6:59 pm

I’m distressed to see this predictably infantile pontification. It’s a horrible missed opportunity to synthesize a useful approach to 21st Century environmental action. Climate Change is officially a religion now.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  flavrt
June 15, 2015 7:55 pm

oh yeah

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  flavrt
June 15, 2015 8:21 pm

Here’s the bumper sticker:
Follow Me to…
Model Fellowship of Mann
Church of the Omnipotent Greenhouse in Carbon
“Believe or be prosecuted.”

Reply to  flavrt
June 15, 2015 11:05 pm

XLNT

Charlie
June 15, 2015 6:59 pm

I don’t think for a minute that the Pope believes in the science of anthropogenic climate change. It is pretty clear to me now that this particular pope was put there for a reason that has nothing to do with God. This whole thing is his world view and his politics. Why do we need a governing body for a spiritual practice again? has that ever gone over well ever in history?

Stein Gral
Reply to  Charlie
June 16, 2015 5:38 am

Fully agree !

Harold
June 15, 2015 6:59 pm

Banal.

gator69
June 15, 2015 7:02 pm

Before we come to class and Range the Sciences, ’tis proper we should sift the merits of Knowledge, or clear it of the Disgrace brought upon it by Ignorance, wether disguised as (1.) the Zeal of the Divines, (2.) the Arrogance of Politicians, or (3.) the Errors of Men of Letters.
-Sir Francis Bacon, “Advancement of Learning”, 1605 (Father of the Scientific Method)

Reply to  gator69
June 15, 2015 7:27 pm

Ha ha perfect! I’m stealing that Bacon quote for my new email sig. 🙂

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Notanist
June 15, 2015 7:56 pm

It this Roger Bacon 1261 AD was the Father of the Scientific Method.

gator69
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
June 16, 2015 6:00 am

Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount St. Alban,[1][a] Kt QC PC (/ˈbeɪkən/; 22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626), was an English philosopher, statesman, scientist, jurist, orator, essayist and author. He served both as Attorney General and Lord Chancellor of England. After his death, he remained extremely influential through his works, especially as philosophical advocate and practitioner of the scientific method during the scientific revolution.
Bacon has been called the father of empiricism.[4] His works established and popularised inductive methodologies for scientific inquiry, often called the Baconian method, or simply the scientific method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon
Roger Bacon, OFM (/ˈbeɪkən/; c. 1214 – June 1292?; scholastic accolade Doctor Mirabilis, meaning “wonderful teacher”), was an English philosopher and Franciscan friar who placed considerable emphasis on the study of nature through empirical methods. He is sometimes credited (mainly since the nineteenth century) as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by Aristotle and later Arabic scholars such as the Muslim scientist Alhazen.[2] However, more recent re-evaluations emphasise that he was essentially a medieval thinker, with much of his “experimental” knowledge obtained from books, in the scholastic tradition.[3] A survey of how Bacon’s work was received over the centuries found that it often reflected the concerns and controversies that were central to his readers.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon

June 15, 2015 7:04 pm

The pope has never been married, has never had children, and has never had an intimate relationship with another human, and is not a trained specialists in matters concerning these … yet he is supposedly god’s mouth-piece on these issues. Now, the same man is god’s supposed mouth-piece on Global Warming, Climate Change, and Anthropogenic Climate Disruption … having no background in the science.
It’s an upside down world we live in.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Pavel
June 15, 2015 7:58 pm

Nope This is an encyclical… not infallible teaching on morality or faith so… in effect it is just an opinion of a guy with a well-known track record.

Admin
June 15, 2015 7:07 pm

All the Pope is going to achieve is a new reason for schism.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 15, 2015 8:00 pm

Eric, the vast majority of the money for the church comes from the donations from “polluters” here in the USA. The USA will cause a problem on this subject as well as many more that are already brewing.

June 15, 2015 7:09 pm

Shame on the Pope! Stay focused on matters of God, sir.

pat
June 15, 2015 7:09 pm

interpretation from Salon!
16 June: Salon: Lindsay Abrams: A draft of the pope’s big climate encyclical leaked early — and it has a damning message about humankind’s environmental destruction
But this early draft is about as damning as climate activists could have hoped for (and climate deniers could have feared), combining the science of climate change with a moral imperative to act. It acknowledges that human activity is the main cause of global warming, and that fossil fuels — coal, oil and even natural gas — are ***evil, their use permissible only as a temporary solution while the world transitions to a renewable energy economy…
“If the current trend continues,” it warns, “this century could be witness to unheard of climate change and unprecedented destruction of ecosystems, with serious consequences for all of us.”…
In one uncharacteristic section, the encyclical makes a specific policy directive: it rejects the use of carbon credits, arguing instead for the direct reduction of emissions…
An encyclical, as Charles Reid Jr., an expert on Catholicism and canon law, recently explained to Salon, ”is the highest form of papal teaching. It is solemn, it is expected that Catholics should take it very seriously:
***”They’re obliged to read it carefully, and to follow it.” …
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/15/a_draft_of_the_popes_big_climate_encyclical_leaked_early_and_it_has_a_damning_message_about_humankinds_environmental_destruction/
***Charles Reid Jr., an expert??? on Catholicism & canon law says Catholics must follow!
much like Italians follow the ban on contraception?

Neo
June 15, 2015 7:15 pm

The last time the Vatican got into the science business in a big way, it didn’t end too well.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Neo
June 15, 2015 8:01 pm

The Vatican, in this case is listening to the so-called scientists this time. This time it is the scientists at the UN that are misleading the Church.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Neo
June 15, 2015 9:41 pm

Neo, you are hinting at the Galileo thing. Remember that the Church was only following the scientific consensus for centuries. Ptolemy got it wrong. The Church accepted the model. Don’t let the scientists escape their responsibility and shift the blame for being wrong onto the Church.
The thing that is different this go-round is that many of the ‘scientists’ are supporting the CAGW meme with tongue in cheek. They create false evidence. If people accept the false claims based on false evidence the moral responsibility lies with the falsified not the duped.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Neo
June 16, 2015 4:25 am

Also the last time the Vatican got into the science business it was in favor of the big bang theory and the theory of evolution. Both ideas which were stubbornly opposed by science for decades. so…?

Jquip
June 15, 2015 7:16 pm

Of course, they must also develop less polluting forms energy production, but for this they have need to rely on help from countries that are grown much at the expense of pollution today the planet.

This Pope is simply not a deep thinker. If the poorer countries needed help to move away from cheap electricity, then the richer countries never could have moved away themselves in the first place. In fact, they don’t need to stay with cheap electricity for nearly as long, as all the technical details of expensive electricity have already been worked out by the richer countries.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Jquip
June 15, 2015 8:03 pm

Exactly….Condemn the poor with expensive unreliable solar power built by the Chinese and paid for by carbon taxes. Unbelievable.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Jquip
June 15, 2015 11:31 pm

Poor countries are poor because of governmental corruption above all. Throwing money at poverty won’t work; it will all end up in the hands of corrupt politicians.

hanelyp
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 10:55 am

“Poor countries are poor because of governmental corruption above all. Throwing money at poverty won’t work; it will all end up in the hands of corrupt politicians.”
Bingo.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 16, 2015 3:12 pm

This is true… and their friends.

Scott M
Reply to  Jquip
June 16, 2015 6:54 am

Exactly, that is the only reason they have phones today, they dont have the organization and discipline to install cable to every home, but 1 cell tower and wireless phones is much easier and cheaper to roll out. Cuts out a lot of middlemen(hand outs and corruption).
Cheap solar devices to recharge phones make sense….

masInt branch 4 C3I in is
June 15, 2015 7:17 pm

Well perhaps on the up-side Her Pontiff is not directly advocating the eradication of 5 billion human beings in Sarin Gas Chambers administered by Ms Merkel of Germany for the salvation of humanity and the dogs among us.
Ha ha

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