The climate warming pause goes AWOL – or maybe not

By S. Fred Singer

Oh boy! Get ready to watch yet another big fight about climate change – this time mainly among different groups of climate alarmists. Is there a “pause”? Did global climate really stop warming during the last dozen years, 18 years, or even 40 years – in spite of rising levels of the greenhouse (GH) gas carbon dioxide?

Science mag is publishing a blockbuster paper today, on June 5. The renowned National Climate Data Center (NCDC), a division of NOAA located in Asheville, NC, claims that the widely reported (and accepted) temperature hiatus (i.e., near-zero trend) is an illusion – just an artifact of data analysis – and that the global climate never really stopped warming. If true, what a blessing that would be for the UN-IPCC – and for climate alarmists generally, who have been under siege to explain the cause of the pause.

This paper is turning out to be a “big deal.” The publisher of Science has even issued a special press release, promoting the NCDC claim of continued slow but steady warming.

Of course, NCDC-NOAA and Science may end up with egg on their collective faces. It does look a little suspicious that NCDC arrived at this earth-shaking “discovery” after all these years, after “massaging” its own weather-station data, just before the big policy conference in December in Paris that is supposed to slow the rise of CO2 from the burning of energy fuels, coal, oil, and gas.

Now watch the sparks fly — as there are two major constituencies that have a vested interest in the pause:

There are at least two rival data centers that may dispute the NCDC analysis:

the Hadley Centre in England and the NASA-Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS). In fact, Hadley’s partner, the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, was the first to announce, on the BBC, the existence of a pause in global warming.

Then there are also dozens of scientists who have published research papers, purporting to provide an explanation for the reported pause. Yours truly turns out to be amongst these. They will all be mightily disappointed if their intellectual efforts turn out to be for naught.

But hold on. NCDC may turn out to be quite wrong. Not surprisingly, they used the surface temperature record, with its well-known problems. Not only that, but a look at the detailed NCDC evidence shows that much depends on polar temperatures — which are mostly guessed at, for lack of good observations. If one uses the (truly global) satellite data, analyzed either by UAH or by RSS, the pause is still there, starting around 2003 [see Figure; it shows a sudden step increase around 2001, not caused by GH gases].

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Not only that, but the same satellite data show no warming trend from 1979 to 2000 – ignoring, of course, the exceptional super-El-Nino year of 1998. This finding is confirmed by other, independent instrumental data — and also by (non-instrumental) proxy records (from tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments). This leads to important far-reaching consequences that are more fully discussed and referenced in the reports of NIPCC (Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change) [search NIPCCreport.org, esp. the CCR-II report of 2013].

UN-IPCC claims for AGW undermined

IPCC-4 [2007] and IPCC-5 [2013] both present claims for anthropogenic global warming (AGW) that are based mainly on reported surface warming from 1979 to 2000. In the absence of such a warming trend, the IPCC claims become invalid; there would be no human-caused greenhouse warming in the 20th century – and certainly not earlier.

It is worthwhile, therefore, to re-examine carefully the absence of warming in the last two decades of the 20th century.

The satellite results of near-zero warming trend are fully backed by radiosonde data from balloon flights — notwithstanding spurious claims by Santer et al [in Int’l J of Climatology 2008; see full discussion by Singer in Energy&Envir 2013]. The absence of a tropical “Hotspot” (a once-controversial upper-troposphere warming trend) “makes the cheese more binding.”

Sea-surface temperatures (SST) show only a slight warming – as do night-time marine air temperatures (NMAT), assembled by the Hadley group. Data on ocean heat content before 2000 are spotty and not very useful. In any case, the interpretation of vertical temperature profiles would require factoring in ocean circulation at different levels.

Proxy data of various types, assembled by Fredrik Ljungqvist in Sweden, and independently by NOAA scientist David Anderson, generally show no warming; Michael Mann never released his post-1979 proxy data, and has even denied their existence (in a personal 1990 email); one suspects that the reason is they show no warming.

A quick word about the observed (and genuine) warming interval 1910-40. It can be seen not only in surface thermometers at weather stations, temperature records from ships, but in all published proxy records. Alas, I could not find any atmospheric temperature data for that period. It is generally agreed, however – including by IPCC –that this warming is of natural origin and not from GH gases.

Thus there is no evidence whatsoever of any GH warming from human-released CO2 — during the whole of the 20th century or earlier.

The bottom line

One can certainly argue about whether the NCDC results are correct –and I expect many months of back-and-forth. So, has global warming really stopped? We will know for sure in just a few years.

There will certainly be debate also about my proposition of no evidence at all for AGW. We will need a persuasive answer to the puzzle — why do land thermometers show a warming before 2000, but not after 2000? I may have an answer, but must first try to convince my colleagues.

One thing is quite certain, however: Current IPCC climate models cannot explain what the observations clearly show. This makes the models unsuitable for climate prediction – and for policy purposes generally.

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This article originally published on American Thinker

S. Fred Singer is professor emeritus at the University of Virginia and a founding director of the Science & Environmental Policy Project; in 2014, after 25 years, he stepped down as president of SEPP. His specialty is atmospheric and space physics. An expert in remote sensing and satellites, he served as the founding director of the US Weather Satellite Service and, more recently, as vice chair of the US National Advisory Committee on Oceans & Atmosphere. He is a Senior Fellow of the Heartland Institute and the Independent Institute. He co-authored the NY Times best-seller Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 years. In 2007, he founded and has chaired the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change), which has released several scientific reports [See NIPCCreport.org]. For recent writings see http://www.americanthinker.com/s_fred_singer/ and also Google Scholar.

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Get ready to watch yet another big fight about climate change – this time mainly among different groups of climate alarmists.
I think the best thing the UAH and RSS camps can do is make some popcorn and enjoy the show. This has the potential to bring Multi-Decadal Discord among the surface temperature camps.

Gary

I disagree. Sitting on the sidelines will let others control the conversation. The more voices, the better; especially when those with a broader understanding of the factors affecting climate change speak reasonably and clearly. They have to be consistent in rebuking the name-calling too.

cnxtim

Consider this it may be much more than a simple pause or hiatus, What we may be experiencing now is Earth’s PGW (Peak Global Warming).

Global Temperature Modern Grand Maximum (MGM)
others being MWP, Roman Maximum etc.

Leonard Lane

+1

emsnews

We are most definitely going into a cold cycle now. It always shows up first in Hudson Bay and New England and then the rest of the world gets it. All ice ages started this way, too.

cirby

In another forum, someone made the claim that the adjustment to the buoy readings just _coincidentally_ happened to match the error bars of those same thermometers. In other words, they got their warming through assuming that 100% of the reading errors from those buoys were maxed in a positive direction.

Phil B.

I’m not sure they have to assume. The modern temperatures are always adjusted right to the top of their error bars and then, on reflection a few years later, adjusted right to the bottom of the error bars. That way, every year is the “hottest ever”, and the trend is always up.
I first noticed these manipulations back in 2010. The newest readings are always adjusted up, only to be retroactively adjusted down a few year later.

emsnews

We call this ‘cooling the past and heating up the present’. It is a game they love to play. Eventually the 1998-1999 super el nino will shrink to ‘coldest year EVAH.’

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

I have posted the following on one of the many threads here!
The FACT is that warming IS continuing, it is! It’s just nothing, nothing at all like we were told it would be. I know Moncky boy likes to use RSS, but if you choose HadCRUt4, the warming IS continuing.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1998/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1998/trend:1998
Until that warming stops, and it actually starts cooling (which I think it will), then we don’t have much of a case. And we are in danger of pissing on our own chips if asked to justify the ‘pause’. 21st century warming is still on an upward trajectory. UAH shows this too.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1998/plot/uah/from:1998/trend:1998
We are missing a trick here. PLEASE, people, we should be banging on about the IPCC’s projections, and how far out they were/are. We should be arguing that spending trillions is unnecessary and futile – howsoever the warming is caused.
Yes, I know even HadCRUt4 isn’t very good, as I believe it too extrapolates for the Arctic, but look, even UAH is showing continued warming. To justify our argument, we need to see those lines in those graphs above level off – minimum. WHEN, and only when, the 21st century shows a downward trend, then we should set up a fund to pay for full-page advertisements in all the big global dailys, with a simple graph and a footnote, telling the public that they are being conned by their own governments, and by silent scientists. But I say again, the FACT is that warming IS continuing…it simply is. Deal with it. Let’s just wait, and watch

Bruce Cobb

Nice cherry-picking, Ghost.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Bruce, don’t be absurd. Anyone here will testify that I am as much a warming sceptic as anyone here. ALL date points are cherry-picked – all of them. The IPCC ‘cherry-picks’ theirs and we pick ours. My point, (and congrats on missing it, jeez!) is that much is made of 21st century ‘warming’ or lack of it. But it is still warming.

Ghost, you can’t come on here and suggest using HadCRUt4. The group of commenters here know all too well that all the ground based teperature records are hopelessly flawed to the point that they are unusable. If you want to use UHA, fine, we can use that, but that is as far as we are willing to go.

Billy Liar

Try changing the start point of your graphs to 2002. You will then see your cherries picked.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Oh dear. I have to say I’m very disappointed. I’ve been visiting wuwt for many years, I’ve argued points on climate science, and been educated. I’ve found Willis’ threads very enjoyable and hugely informative. I’ve also liked reading Bob Tisdale’s graph-filled posts. However, much as I enjoy it here (as a die-hard warming sceptic), I may have to evaluate if I join in, in future. Reading some of the comments, it’s quite clear that some people really can’t comprehend very basic stuff. I don’t mean that in a condescending way. But we have people here who JUST want to use RSS because that shows them what they want to see. I find that truly incredible. It reminds me of the warmists I used to argue with on the old BBC forums 12 years ago. How can you take such a position as that!!?? ‘RSS shows what I want to see, so I’m not looking at anything else, so there.’ Someone even wanted to only use data since 2002!!! Amazing. As I explained, I know all too well that HadCRUt4 is flawed, but on balance it is the best surface temp record we have. The satellite data is flawed as well – do some of you even know that it doesn’t actually measure temperature?
I want to make one final attempt to get some of you around to the idea that we can’t pick and choose stuff that suits us, or our argument. Having been arguing with warmists since 2003, the vast majority of those arguments have been about the data since 1980ish, but also, very often, since 1998 (for obvious reasons). The years after 1998 did not see the continuation of that year’s ‘The Great El Nino’ warming. And is VERY clear that models and projections of warming have been pathetic up against reality. BUT, like it or not, a meta study of all data shows that warming is still on the rise – and yes, slowly; within error bands, noise, blah-de-blah.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:1999/plot/wti/from:1999/trend:1999
You just have to suck that up. You can ignore it if you wish, but that’s for your mind to wrestle with. I’m not going to name-names, but many of the posts below don’t even warrant a reply, such is the ridiculousness of their position.
wuwt has always been a great place to come and talk to like-minded people about warming, or lack of it. But if our argument has become as silly as some of those shown on skepticalscience and realclimate, where we (or rather, some) will only use RSS because it shows what they want, then wuwt has taken a wrong turn, and that’s a great shame.
As long as this green line…
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:1999/plot/wti/from:1999/trend:1999
…is still upward, then we have to argue on that, on its cause. We CANNOT pick and choose datasets that support our position. To do so is fraudulent, and it’s arguing from a point of weakness.

Jeff Alberts

Reading some of the comments, it’s quite clear that some people really can’t comprehend very basic stuff.

Totally. Like presenting a single line representing a “global temperature”. Only a moron would do that.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Jeff, you genius, you. The graph I linked to is a meta study – it may be the best thing we have to the global anomaly. The green line is an aid to indicate where it is going. But of course, you’d know that, what with you being a genius, and all. Nighty-night, you’ll be going back to kindergarten on Monday.

catweazle666

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley: “But we have people here who JUST want to use RSS because that shows them what they want to see.”
Whereas you refuse to use RSS because it shows you what you don’t want to see, perhaps?
Actually, most informed sceptical commenters use RSS and UAH satellite datasets because they judge them to be the least interfered with or “homogenised” and to have the most universal Global measured – as opposed to Kriged or whatever – coverage compared with the terrestrial datasets.
Why do you pretend to have such extraordinary difficulty appreciating that?

UAH 6.0 has made the difference between RSS and UAH very tiny. UAH 6.0 is not showing continued warming.
So far, the MSM has pretty much ignored Karl et al.
“Let’s just wait, and watch”
I’ll agree with that, for now. I’d go for some pointed questions to alarmists, though. I think my observation that Karl et al’s warming rate means it will take 200 years to reach the magic +2C° rise may be a good needle.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Well Ric, I just use woodfortrees for the convenience. I saw the new version on Roy Spencer’s own site, don’t know why it hasn’t made it to woodfortrees yet.

TedM

And they both match balloon radiosondes very well.

A C Osborn

But Big Jim, Hadcrut 4 has only just been adjusted to show warming to bring it in line with GISS & BEST, so why would you use it?

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

So what do you want to use?

Satellite data. It is the most accurate data for global temperature.

You are correct dbstealey

Look at what the RSS data shows

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend

DD More

HADCRUT4 V HADCRUT3 October 10, 2012
By Paul Homewood
12 month average anomaly
HADCRUT3 HADCRUT4
Dec 1998 0.55 0.52
Dec 2011 0.34 0.40
Increase/Decrease -0.21 -0.12
The new version increases warming (or rather decreases cooling) since 1998 by 0.09C, a significant amount for a 13 year time span. Whilst the changes should not affect the trend in future years, they will affect the debate as to whether temperatures have increased in the last decade or so.
Thru 2011 it was showing a decrease, just not as large as the pre-massaged HADCrut3.
What to use? Why not NCDC. From their yearly summary
(1) The Climate of 1997 – Annual Global Temperature Index = 62.45 °F [16.92°C. ]
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/1997/13
(2) 2014 annual global land and ocean surfaces temperature = 0.69°C (1.24°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F) = 14.59°C (58.24 °F)
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/13
Which number do you think NCDC/NOAA thinks is the record high. And do you consider this proof that cooling is going on?

richard

Joel D. Jackson-
warming for 16 years no change for 18.6 years- your point?

richard

Joel D. Jackson-
be careful with graphs,comment image

David A

Both UAH and RSS show 1998 as SIGNIFICANTLY warmer then 2014 or 2015 YTD. It is not even close. Clearly the bulk of the atmosphere has cooled since 1998. It helps to see this visually…comment imagecomment image

ponysboy

Amen Big Jim.
The slight, but continuous, warming affirms the position of those skeptical scientists.
The longer it goes on the more confidence we can have in the direct logarithm greenhouse effect from CO2 of 1C for a doubling of CO2. The evidence of the speculation for the additional so-called “positive feedback”, “amplification” etc (or whatever they wish to call it) starting with the Charney report in 1979 just doesn’t exist.

It is impossible for theoretical CO2 impacts to be anything other than logarithmic. Linear and compounding claims project surface temperatures surpassing those of the planet Venus with less than 5% of its CO2 concentration.

Wicked,
Good point. During the Phanerozoic Eon, ie the past ~540 million years, there are only been two brief excursions in average global temperature over about 22 degrees C.
If IPCC’s fantasy of 4.5 degrees for doubling of CO2 holds then we have this:
280 ppm: 13.7 C
560 ppm: 18.2 C
1120 ppm: 22.7 C
2240 ppm: 27.2 C
Not going to happen. Didn’t happen when CO2 concentration was 7000 ppm in the Cambrian Period. The sun’s power then was over 95% of present. Didn’t happen at 5000 ppm in the Ordovician, when there was an ice age, with solar output at 96% of current. Didn’t happen in the Silurian, Devonian or Early Cretaceous, with CO2 still in the thousands of ppm and solar radiation at 97%.
Thanks to another, longer ice age, CO2 dropped in the Late Cretaceous and Early Permian, but recovered before the End Permian Mass Extinction Event. CO2 levels were again in the thousands rather than hundreds during the Mesozoic Era, with solar power at 99% of now, but again no runaway warming. Ditto during the early Cenozoic, despite the peak warmth of the PETM.

The 1 C is, however, the change in the equilibrium temperature and unobservable. In view of the unobservability, belief in the existence of a linear relation from the change in the logarithm of the CO2 concentration to the change in the equilibrium temperature is pseudoscientific.

Louis Hunt

If the tenth of a degree warming this century is within the margin of error, then you can’t honestly say that “the warming IS continuing” can you?

Gary M

Speaking of missing the point, isn’t the skeptical view less about warming and more about “is man causing it” as claimed by the warmist propaganda. If skeptics get too picky about the fine points their message can get lost on the average Joe!
Carbon is not a pollutant and temps are not going up in sync. Isn’t that our case!!!

X100.
This is what Lindzen has been saying for years.
Does C02 contribute to warming?
Yes.
How much does it contribute?
Almost immeasurable.

Harold

The problem with that argument is that if they can show a graph of steadily rising CO2 and steadily rising temperature, the average LIV sees it and says “it’s warming now, and CO2 is the cause OMG PONIES!!1!”. If they see a graph of steadily rising CO2 and temperature meandering up and sideways willy-nilly, the implied causation isn’t speciously evident.
This is a propaganda war, and yes, this is, in the words of the most brilliant VP ever, a BFD.

rd50

To Harold:
The problem is nobody can find a graph showing a positive correlation between increasing CO2 from the beginning of reliable measurements at Mauna Lua in 1958 and ANY temperature anomalies data set from that date up to now. None exists. So such cannot be shown for claiming that CO2 is responsible to temperature anomalies increase.
The best you can find is from 1959 to 1978 (or so) CO2 was increasing while temperature anomalies were decreasing.
Then from 1978 or so until 1998 or so, both CO2 and temperature anomalies were increasing, good correlation for this phase.
After this, the third phase (the pause, hiatus you name it) shows CO2 continuing to increase to this day while temperature anomalies, again pick your data set, are barely doing anything.

Evan Jones

The problem is nobody can find a graph showing a positive correlation between increasing CO2 from the beginning of reliable measurements at Mauna Lua in 1958 and ANY temperature anomalies data set from that date up to now. None exists.
I think that can be accounted for by PDO flux. But it is only in line with Arrhenius (1906), and that means we top out well within the “net benefits” zone.

catweazle666

RSS shows cooling since 1997, even more since 2001.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/trend/plot/rss/from:1990/plot/rss/from:2001/trend
UAH has been updated and is now very close to RSS.
So there’s your cooling this century.
As for Hadcrut4 and all the other mutilated products of Mosh/Zeke/Gavin etc. etc….
So when you post “But I say again, the FACT is that warming IS continuing…it simply is. Deal with it. Let’s just wait, and watch”, I think perhaps it is YOU that is missing a trick.

gbaikie

We are obviously continuing to warm since leaving the Little Ice Age which is said to ended by 1850.
But the warming has little to do with CO2 levels, though warming causes some increase if CO2 levels. Though it seems the human activity has added
a considerable amount to increasing CO2 levels.
Or increasing CO2 levels probably have mostly been caused by human activity, though the increase in temperature is unlikely caused by CO2.
What increasing CO2 levels have caused is a global greening of deserts, and increase plant growth in general and a significant increase in crop yields.
So the measure of warming world is gradual warming of oceans with result of slow increase in global sea level. And seems likely in coming centuries sea levels will continue to rise, and mostly from the ocean slightly warming.
So in another 100 years we could see rise temperature by as much as 1 C, though probably closer to .5 C. And within 100 years we might see a ice free
Arctic ocean by late summer and it seems the expansion of sea ice in southern ocean will stop and possibly retreat.
But tend to agree that in short term of couple decades, temperatures may lower a bit [that doesn’t mean warming since time of Little Ice Age has stopped- it’s natural variability].

If we see an ice free Arctic in the next 100 years, it certainly won’t be any time in the next 15-20 (and certainly won’t be the first time this has happened either) as once the AMO flips to the cool cycle the story will stop being a melting Arctic and probably then we’ll start hearing the alarms about the Antarctic melting away since the 2 poles are in opposite cycles. As for any warming, is anyone here that’s commenting an actual climate scientist or met? Seems no one is mentioning the AMO & PDO and the fact that the AMO is nearing the end of its warm cycle. With the sun continuing to be unusually quiet, we’re headed for some brutally cold winters over the next decade+ and maybe some chilly summers in some places as well. And even during the coldest PDO cycles, there are always a few years thrown in that have a bounce of warmth.–just as in the current cycle of the cooler PDO, there have been a couple of years thrown in that have been quite warm (but still nothing that hasn’t happened before). To keep talking about CO2 is simply ridiculous. If you want to talk about it at all, why not mention the fact that CO2 continues to rise even though our cars are now expelling very little CO2 and power plants & industry are also expelling less CO2 than say even 20 years ago. The rise in CO2 also is nothing that hasn’t happened before. In fact, we’ve had periods when we’ve had much higher CO2 but lower temps as well as periods when we’ve had lower CO2 but warmer temps so how anyone sees any correlation between CO2 & temps is beyond me and not based on actual fact. It’s kind of the same AGW argument–they see temps going up from the late ’70’s through the 90’s and see CO2 rising during the same period and are naive enough or dumb enough or simply disingenuous enough to say that the increase in CO2 caused the warming. So, what was the excuse during the previous warm period of the late teens to late 30’s? Or what was the excuse for rising CO2 during the 60’s & 70’s but dramatically cooler temps?

@ gbaikie

But the warming has little to do with CO2 levels, though warming causes some increase if CO2 levels.

And just why are you arguing with yourself?

Though it seems the human activity has added a considerable amount to increasing CO2 levels. Or increasing CO2 levels probably have mostly been caused by human activity,

The above is simply a mimicking of a “figment of the imagination” of the vocally avid proponents of CAGW ……. which is attested to by the fact that there is NO “human signature” recognizable in the past 57 years of atmospheric CO2 data as per recorded by the Mauna Loa observatory.

So the measure of warming world is gradual warming of oceans with result of slow increase in global sea level.

YUP, and that same “gradual warming of oceans” also confirms your above claim that “warming causes some increase in CO2 levels” ……. which is attested to by the fact that atmospheric CO2 ppm has been “steadily & consistently” increasing an average of 2 ppm each and every year for the past 57 years as per the Mauna Loa record.
Just like the past 57 years of “steady & consistent” bi-yearly cycling of atmospheric CO2 ppm as per the seasonal temperature change in the ocean waters of the Northern and Southern Hemispheres.
There is nothing else in the natural world that is precisely yearly “cyclic” …… other than the seasonal equinoxes and solstices,.
Human activities = NO, …… local/regional weather events = NO, …. near surface land temperatures = NO, …… volcanic eruptions = NO, ……… El Ninos/La Ninas = NO, ……… NOTHING.

You are correct with Hadcrut4 which has finally been updated by WFT! Even then, the rate is a not alarming 0.007 C/ year.
However while WFT has just updated UAH, they just replaced 5.5 with 5.6 yesterday. Version 6.0 actually shows a negative slope of – 0.003 C/year from January 1998. To verify, see:
http://moyhu.blogspot.com.au/p/temperature-trend-viewer.html

My understanding is that UAH v6.0 is still beta. It was released to it could be scrutinized. Roy said it will go ‘final’ when yheir paper on the algorithm revisions is published, although he has explained them in some detail on his blog.

Warren Latham

Dear “The Ghost of Big Jim Cooley”,
The expression you use in your comment (Moncky boy) is not necessary and it is insulting.
You will use that person’s correct name in future. Think on.

MCourtney

Dear “The Ghost of Big Jim Cooley”,
I agree with Warren Latham but I ask, rather than demand, that you use that person’s correct name in future.
Please do not denigrate anyone by mocking their names.
It doesn’t help address the issues.

Warren, get over it! Nothing worse than snobby political correctness!

StoptheRot

Wickedwenchfan, It is not political correctness that Warren has an issue with. He is simply urging the use of common courtesy/civility, something that you seem to have a problem in understanding. Please play nicely!

There is so much wrong with HadCRU that it is worse than worthless garbage. It’s anti-scientific, as totally unverifiable, its underlying “data” having been “lost”. And that’s just for starters.
All the “surface record” sets are pack of lies.
RSS shows no 21st century warming and neither will UAH after its needed adjustment.
So far in this century, the globe has cooled and it will probably continue doing so for at least two more decades.

mark

The big picture… This is like picking up the imperfections of a slate pool table with a microscope. Crazy how much time and resources have been wasted on the natural weather.

Stephen Richards

HadCRU 4 is over adjusted HadCRU 3 which is over adjusted hadCRU2 which is over adjusted ………….
So plenty of accuracy there to 0.0001 °C

It’s adjustments all the way down! 😉

TRM

Jim. Isn’t the UAH sync’ing their V6 dataset with RSS and it is now showing similar lack of warming?
I disagree with using HadCRUt4 alone. I’ll take the 2 satellite datasets for 2 reasons:
1) Coverage. They cover more of the globe than any other.
2) Dissenting views of the lead scientists. RSS is pro CO2 controls the climate and UAH is skeptical. I like that. It keeps them both honest and I’d love to hear a civilized discussion between the 2.
I’d also be happy to take an average of terrestrial and satellite data. Either way I agree that a temp increase of 0.7 to 1.6 per doubling of CO2 with no positive feedback is to be focused on as it needs no measures and will be beneficial.

Not synced at all, at least we shoild hope not. UAH finally went and changed the way they deal with the aperture issue (essentially, Earth’s curvature as seen by the satellite sensors), from their original quick and dirty but good enough method (validated by radiosondes) to the ‘correct’ 3D geometry way. Roy explained this rather nicely on his blog. Also gives UAH better vertical resolution, and guess what? No tropical troposphere hot spot seen by the satellites, just as none has been found by radiosondes. Nice replication of a result that, BY ITSELF, falsifies the CMIP3 and 5 climate models relied on by the IPCC.
The fact that two different groups are separately processing the satellite microwave data and coming now to almost exactly the same results is good science, called replication.
That NCDC and HadCRU do not agree is bad science, called lack of replication.

Robert of Ottawa

HadCrut, as is any government number, totally discredited in my eyes. From economic performance to unemployment to global temperature. all numbers today are corrupted by politics.

Leonard Lane

Robert, thanks. It is hard to trust big government when you see they are so far left and getting more so. With each step we lose individual freedom and history is something to be re-written to correspond with leftist orthodoxy. And that includes historical weather and climate data.

Donb

Big Jim: Years 1999-2001 contained La Nina cooling effects, following the big El Nino warming in 98-99. What time period one picks affects the results. The proper way would be to use statistics and calculate for various periods.
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml

Jim Francisco

I like the advertisement idea. I would contribute. It is going to be hard to wait and watch. I’m afraid it is going to be like acid rain, ozone, polar bears, DDT, rain forest and many other scares that just disappeared .

IPCC, AR5 (2013), WG1, Chapter 2, p. 194:
“Regardless, all global combined LSAT and SST data sets exhibit a statistically non-significant warming trend over 1998–2012 (0.042°C ± 0.093°C per decade (HadCRUT4); 0.037°C ± 0.085°C per decade (NCDC MLOST); 0.069°C ± 0.082°C per decade (GISS)).”
http://ipcc.wikia.com/wiki/152.4.3_Global_Combined_Land_and_Sea_Surface_Temperature

http://tinyurl.com/p3p5v9s
Take a look at this which I start in 2001 to avoid both the 1998 El Nino and the subsequent 1999/2000 drop off.
HadCRUT4 and UAH show very similar trends but I would like to see the new UAH data before drawing any firm conclusion. RSS for the same period shows a decline.
Note that HadCRUT is about 0.4 wamer than UAH, possibly (probably?) due to its Arctic smearing.

richard

steuth, is that you again hoggy?

The trick you are missing is that worry over global warming cannot be reversed. In addition , you’re not going to convince those who believe their is no warming to concede anything. However, I believe both these passionate movements can be redirected to their mutual benefit. What is needed is for billions (rather than trillions) to be spent on converting the world’s primary source of electric power to next-generation nuclear.
It would meet the Left’s stated goals of reducing carbon emissions, while accomplishing the greatest economic, environmental and social benefit ever provided by government intervention in the economy. Nuclear waste can and should be used as fuel, it should not be stockpiled until it leaks into the environment. Electricity would be inexpensive and virtually unlimited. High paying jobs would be created both for construction and ongoing operation of these plants. Worldwide poverty would be drastically reduced by a global economy unencumbered by high energy costs.
The only drawback is activists on both sides would have to get off their high horses, and agree that regardless of who’s right, nuclear power can meet the needs of everyone on the planet with no downside (if the proper technology is employed). The billions invested would yield trillions in economic and environmental benefits.

I’ve been on board nuclear power since I was 10, figured we’d have to stop burning hydrocarbons this century, but still believe surface data shows no warming from Co2 (which is not the same as it not warming at all).

gdpbullsht

Its the rolling wave technique. Temperatures today will be lowered in the future to show future warming trends.

Charlie

yeah when they “adjust” data they always lower temps in the past and raise temps in the present and near past. It must be a coincidence. How many adjustments now? I have heard of 3 major adjustment for past temp data. I must just be prone to paranoid conspiracy neurosis. Pretty soon the first part of this century is going to be a little ice age if they keep this up.

Louis Hunt

Where can you go to get a degree in Data Manipulation? The way things are going, I would think such a degree would be in high demand.

Reg Nelson

And ancestors will freeze to death, which means we will never be born. It’s worse than we thought.

Robert of Ottawa

He who freezes the past controls the present and warms the future.

richard verney

It was some years ago that the 1930s temperatures had been adjusted a dozen times! Of course, all these adjustments cooled the 1930s.

Harold

Sorta like the economic stats, huh?
Then ***unexpectedly*** the numbers are revised downward.

Trenberth used that analogy as well, and I disagree with it for this reason.
When economic data is first published, not all data has been [received] and analysed yet. So subsequently, when the remaining data is [received], an “actual” number can be published.
With climate/temperature data, it’s not that they’ve [received] the rest of the data and can now issue the REAL number. They already HAVE all of the data.
That’s why the analogy fails.

TRM

More like the story of the plane crash in Mexico with 20 million in cocaine, 8 million in heroin and 4 million in cash ….. I mean 10 million in cocaine, 4 million in heroin and 2 million in cash …. wait it is really 8 million in cocaine, 2 million in heroin and zero cash …. wait there’s an official count now …
🙂

TomR,Worc,Ma,USA

“How many mooah Mistah speakah, …..How many mooah”
lol

Man Bearpig

Yep! and at some point there will have been a mini ice-age in the 80’s

Jpatrick

OK So NOAA took data that was reliable, but not valid and attempted to make the data valid. Then after this, they try to make a claim about the interpretation of that data, contradictions with other data sets notwithstanding.
Curry is right. This has little or no scientific value.

Charlie

Well it’s not like we didn’t see this coming. They know the temps aren’t going to trend up anytime soon so 19 years was where it was go all in with the scam or let it die. This little budge here might buy them another 10 years if the public doesn’t wake up.

gene

AGW can’t be ending – it never existed!

Warren Latham

Quite so !

It is the job of climate alarmists to manipulate/distort/terrorise the real data to justify the insanity of their cause, or rather to justify the insanity of shutting down the western world’s economies in order to try and solve a non- problem.
This ham-handed attempt to try and change the data to impress the gullible and stupid that the ‘pause’ never existed is clear proof of the typical integrity of today’s ‘climate scientists’, or rather it demonstrates their complete lack of integrity.
Well, this is the year of Paris, so anything is acceptable – the end justifies the means, so telling lots of porkies is a perfectly reasonable strategy. Too many of these guys seem to have taken the practices of the great George Orwell novel 1984 to heart.

A C Osborn

Don’t forget this is on top of all the other “Quality Adjustments” over the last few years.

Bruce Cobb

“Has global warming really stopped”? Yes, it really has stopped. That in no way implies what the temperature will do in the future, unlike the words “pause” or “hiatus”.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Ghost,
Gotta call you on that.
Why did you pick HadCRUT4? Satellite data is the most accurate for measuring global T. So let’s just change your links to RSS instead of HadCRUT4:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1995/plot/rss/from:1995/trend:1995
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2000/plot/rss/from:2000/trend:2000
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2005/plot/rss/from:2005/trend:2005
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2010/plot/rss/from:2010/trend:2010
It was arch-Warmist Dr, Phil Jones who stated that 1997 must be the start year for determining if global warming has stopped. That’s why skeptics use 1997 — it was the Warmist side that suggested it (back when they believed global warming would resume with a vengeance; but it didn’t. It stopped.)
So here is what happened starting from Dr. Jones’ year of 1997:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997/trend:1997

RSS data is the best.

Look at what RSS shows….
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend:2000

catweazle666

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley: “Nope, still rising.”
Only if you cherry-pick from the “homogenised” databases.
Now why – when there are more reliable databases available – would you persist in doing that, still claim to be a sceptic, and accuse anyone who tries to put you right of cherry-picking, I wonder?

catweazle666

Joel D. Jackson:
RSS data is the best.

Look at what RSS shows….
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend:2000

is THIS what you were trying to do?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/from:2000/trend

@joel jackson:
The entire debate is over global warming since 1997. That year was specifically designated by Warmist scientist Phil Jones as THE start date. Both sides use it.
So take your cherry picking elsewhere, please. Because global warming stopped after 1997.

dbstealey

I am not cherry picking anything.
I am looking at the entire database.
You are the one that is picking specific intervals.

No catweazle666
I’m looking at the entire database for RSS.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend
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Statistics 101 will teach you that the more data you look at, the more accurate your findings will be.

RSS clearly shows over it’s entire lifetime that warming has been happening.

catweazle666

Joel D. Jackson:
“Statistics 101 will teach you that the more data you look at, the more accurate your findings will be.RSS clearly shows over it’s entire lifetime that warming has been happening.”
And yet you posted: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend:2000. So what’s that “2000” doing on the end?
In any case, nobody has “denied” that there hasn’t been any warming since the beginning of the RSS data, we are discussing the existence of the “pause/hiatus/plateau/etc.”, which is commonly regarded as commencing in 1997, so keep your sarcastic comments about Statistics 101 to yourself, why don’t you?

j jackson says:
I am not cherry picking anything.
Of course you are. I explained, you just don’t want to listen. Argue with Dr. Jones if you don’t like his start year.
The same Phil Jones shows that the rise in CO2 has had exactly no effect on natural step rises in global temperature since the LIA:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/hadley/Hadley-global-temps-1850-2010-web.jpg
Jackson also falsely asserts:
RSS clearly shows over it’s entire lifetime that warming has been happening.
It’s entire lifetime? Wrong, as usual:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997.9/trend
Jackson is out of his depth here. ‘Skepticalscience’ is really where he would be comfortable. Here, we have verifiable facts and evidence. Commenters can’t get away with bogus statements like that.

Dbstealey.
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The RSS database starts at approximately 1979
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Why are you cherry picking 1997?

Here is a plot of the entire lifetime of RSS
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http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend

Notice how RSS clearly shows us the global warming signal.

You want to ignore all the data from 1979 until 1997?
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Why do you want to ignore that data?
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Do you need me to school you in sample size when doing statistics?

catweazle666
The trailing 2000 is a leftover from me copying the previous commenters plot.
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It has no effect on the result

mark

Jim.. its cooled for the last million years. What warming?

J Jackson says:
Why are you cherry picking 1997?
*Sheesh* If I was a quitter, I’d give up. I’ve explained at least three times here, and dozens of times in other threads, that Dr. Phil Jones is the one who in 1999 explained in an interview that we could not be sure statistically that global warming had stopped in 1997 until 15 years had passed.
Well, guess what? It’s been 18 1/2 years now with no global warming. And that is why everyone uses 1997 as the start year.
But J. Jackson simply will not listen. His mind is made up, and closed tighter than a submarine hatch. Science is all about keeping an open mind, and letting observations, data, and evidence show the way. Pseudo-science is deciding what you want to believe, then torturing the data until it gives the answer you crave.
Jackson is cherry-picking the time frame that gives him what he wants to see. That is pseudo-science. The discussion is about the fact that global warming has stopped. Not whether there was no warming, ever.
Once again, here’s some good advice for Jackson: if you don’t like what Dr. Phil Jones said, complain to him. The rest of us understand. Global warming stopped after 1997.

Look dbstealey…..

You need to get over your fixation on Jones.
In order to make sure that no one cherry picks anything, you need to examine and analyze the entire RSS database.
When you look at ALL the RSS data this is what you see……..
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend

You are correct about satellite data, it’s the best. And the best data shows us the continual warming trend that is happening.
Furthermore, you pictures of chimpanzees are nothing more than ad-hominem blather. When you grow up and begin acting like an adult, maybe you can learn something.

Dbstealey says: “Jackson is cherry-picking the time frame that gives him what he wants to see”
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No sir, I am examining the ENTIRE RSS dataset
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This is what it looks like.
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http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/plot/rss/trend
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Please explain to all of us how looking at the entire dataset is a “cherry pick”

catweazle666

Joel D. Jackson: “No sir, I am examining the ENTIRE RSS dataset”
You may well be, sunshine.
But everyone is discussing the portion post-~1997, generally considered by most authorities to be the commencement of the “pause”.
And the reality of that “pause” is what the whole thread is actually debating.
Live with it.

dbstealey June 5, 2015 at 11:07 am
It was arch-Warmist Dr, Phil Jones who stated that 1997 must be the start year for determining if global warming has stopped. That’s why skeptics use 1997 — it was the Warmist side that suggested it (back when they believed global warming would resume with a vengeance; but it didn’t. It stopped.)

stealey, Jones did not say what you claim, in an interview in 2010 on the BBC he was asked:
“BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming”
Note that the BBC chose the time span. He answered as follows:
“Phil Jones: Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.
BBC: How confident are you that warming has taken place and that humans are mainly responsible?
Phil Jones: I’m 100% confident that the climate has warmed. As to the second question, I would go along with IPCC Chapter 9 – there’s evidence that most of the warming since the 1950s is due to human activity.”
A year later Jones reported that the additional data caused the trend to be significant at the 95% level.

You prefer the entire RSS record? Fine! 1998 is still the warmest year by a long shot. Current temperatures is about the same as in 1982. The real problem is not cherry picking the data, but cherry picking interpretations of it!

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catweazle666

“Now please explain to me why 1997 is preferable to 2011 as a start point. I prefer to look at all the data, why do you wish to exclude all of the data before 1997 ?”
Because, despite whatever preferences you personally might or might not have, on this particular blog we are discussing a specific, apparently controversial phenomenon – generally referred to as the “pause” or ‘hiatus”- that most authorities agree commenced on or around 1997, and that has a duration of approximately eighteen years, as you would be aware had you read – and understood Dr. Singer’s explanation above.
What is it about that you are having trouble comprehending? You have been informed of this on several occasions, both by myself and by others, quite succinctly. Do you suffer from difficulties comprehending basic English? How many times do you have to be told a simple piece of information such as that before it penetrates your consciousness?

Several definitions of “global warming” are in common use. I submit that none of them hold up to logical scrutiny.
Until recently, the “global warming” was the change in the global surface air temperature at equilibrium. This definition had the shortcoming that the “global warming” was not observable. Thus claims regarding the “global warming” of the future could not be tested. Thus, these claims were not scientific.
Recently, in conjunction with the “pause,” a definition of “global warming” has come into use in which it is the change in the global temperature along a trend line when this line is fit to time-temperature data in a specified period. This definition has the drawback that unlike a change in the global temperature, the change in the global temperature along a trend-line is generally multivalued. Thus the proposition that there has been a “pause” can be simulataneosly true and false violating the law of non-contradiction.
dbstealey suggests that we modify the latter definition of the “global warming” by nailing the point in time at which the fitted data start at 1997 following a suggestion of Phil Jones. This suggestion has the shortcoming that the “global warming” is undefined in periods preceeding 1997. Also, there is the possibility that in a segment of time following 1997 the “global warming” will be multi-valued violating non-contradiction.
Before meaningful research on global warming can be conducted we must provide a logically sound definition for “global warming.” In arriving at one such definition one would define a partition of the time-line into segments. An average temperature would be computed for each segment from the data in a specified global temperature time series e.g. the UAH time series. The “global warming” would be defined as the difference between two of these averages. Defining the “global warming” in this way would facilitate an act that is currently impossible. This is to provide policy makers with information about the outcomes from their policy decisions. Absent this information the climate is uncontrollable.

Terry Oldberg,
I agree that no currently used definition of global warming is adequate. Also, 1997 was not my suggestion. I was pointing out that Phil Jones (and others) designated the 15 years following 1997 as the time necessary to determine statistically if global warming had stopped.
Now they don’t like it. I think they truly believed they were on safe ground when they made those statements. They fully expected global warming to resume.
But it hasn’t. Rather than admit that the real world is telling them something very different than what they believed, they’ve gone into their ‘say anything’ mode. We see it in all their comments.

Phil.,
You’re wrong again:
Phil Jones, from the Climategate emails:
“The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn’t statistically significant….”
Dr. Phil Jones – CRU emails – 7th May, 2009:
‘Bottom line: the ‘no upward trend’ has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.’

Global warming stopped after 1997 (“from 1998”). Jones said that had to continue for 15 years before it is statistically significant. Since 1998 there has been no global warming. None.
The only Authority that matters — the real world — is debunking the endless predictions of runaway global warming and climate catastrophe. I have no doubt that Jones really believed that he was on safe ground, and that GW would resume within his 15 year window. But it didn’t.
A few more:
Dr. Jochem Marotzke – 19th November 2009: ”We don’t really know why this stagnation is taking place at this point.”
Dr. David Whitehouse: Statistically speaking it is accurate to say that according to HadCrut3 the world’s temperature has not increased for the 16 years between 1995 and 2011, though many prefer the more conservative ten years post-2001. This is not a ‘sceptical’ claim just a straightforward description of the data.

And the famous quote:
Question: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
Dr. Jones: Yes, but only just.

Let’s forget the backing-and-filling “but only just”. That’s trying to rationalize the fact that the alarmist clique was flat wrong. And Jones refuses to give a straight answer here:
Question: Do you agree that from January 2002 to the present there has been statistically significant global cooling?
Dr. Jones: No. This period is even shorter than 1995-2009. The trend this time is negative (-0.12C per decade), but this trend is not statistically significant.

The real world is going in the wrong direction to suit Jones. And get this tail tucking:
Q: If you have confidence in your science why didn’t you come out fighting like the UK government’s drugs adviser David Nutt when he was criticised?
Jones: I don’t feel this question merits an answer.

Instead, Jones whined that he was contemplating suicide! But as I specifically predicted at the time, Jones was on a full-pay timeout, and would shortly return to his old job. That’s exactly what happened.
Jones is just typical of that pseudo-science crowd. They have no understanding of what it means to be a skeptic. No one on their side of the fence does.

J. Jackson says:
Now please explain to me why 1997 is preferable to 2011 as a start point.
This has been explained to you so many times that you are either not able to comprehend the answer, or you are being deliberately ornery because you’ve decisively lost the science debate.
Question: How many years has it been since global warming stopped?
Answer: about 18 ½ years. Subtracting that number from this year, 2015, takes us back to 1997.
Everyone else understands that simple arithmetic.

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Jackson sez:
Per Karl et al., published in the issue of Science
And dbstealey says: Read the climategate emails. You will clearly see that climate peer review is totally climate ‘crony review’. Pal review. It isn’t science, it’s propaganda. Thus, it is worthless. Verifiable facts, measurements, and observations are what matter, not self-serving, sciencey-sounding spin.
Re: Tom Karl, see here. If you want to argue in support of Dr. Karl, that’s the place to do it. I wouldn’t recomment it though, if you want to keep any credibility. Take a look at the comments, you’ll see. Karl has been ripped to shreds — just like your own comments there.
Re: GISTEMP: they are the outlier. Their numbers are far different from all the other temperature databases. Thus, they should be rejected. NASA/GISS is not credible. They should stick to their primary mission: Muslim outreach.
As for your last chart, UAH and RSS used to be slightly different (by a tenth or two of a degree over many years). Buth they have been converging. At the current rate, UAH is going to show more cooling than RSS.
Satellites provide the best, most accurate global temperature measurements. Within the margin of error, there has been no global warming for almost twenty years now. Those who predicted runaway global warming (the original scare) were flat wrong. But like the self-serving rent seekers they have become, they won’t man-up and admit it. Instead, they do an Orwell-style language change. Now “climate change” is the old “runaway global warming”.
Honest folks admit it when they’re proven wrong. You might give that some thought.

“Read the climategate emails”

The emails don’t mention the “pause” so they are not relevant to this discussion.

Your link to Monckton’s article is “opinion” not a research finding. You do realize that WUWT doesn’t even have an impact ratio.
“Satellites provide the best, most accurate global temperature measurements”
You know what the senior scientists at RSS said about the reliability of his data? If not I’ll post a link to it.

Isn’t UAH satellite data? http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1997/plot/uah/from:1997/trend

J. Jackson says:
The emails don’t mention the “pause” so they are not relevant to this discussion.
They are certainly relevant to your claim about peer reviewed papers, so, wrong again.
Your link to Monckton’s article is “opinion”…
Christopher Monckton is a published, peer reviewed author. Thus, his analysis is much more than an ordinary ‘opinion’. That’s your class of commentary; while his is credible.
Your “senior scientist” is an ethics-challenged, self-serving wannabe. He is not credible, because no one is credible who peppers his comments with pejoratives like “denier” and “denialist”. That alone proves that he is not a worthwhile scientist; rather, he is an ambitious, lowlife name-caller.
People call other scientists names like that because they’re losing the science debate. That sissy doesn’t have what it takes to accept a challenge to debate skeptic scientists in a neutral venue with a mutually agreed moderator. No alarmist has the cojones to debate any more. That’s because they have lost every debate with skeptics. So now, they sit in their ivory towers and call names. If people like that impress you, they don’t impress most folks.
Finally, you were the one who said you could find anything by cherry-picking WoodForTrees. So taking the past decade, we see that global T has fluctuated within only one-twentieth of a degree. Hey, where’s that “runaway global warming and climate catastrophe”??
Face it, the climate alarmist crowd was flat wrong. By continuing to dig their hole deeper, they just look like a bunch of grifters pushing a hoax. There is nothing either unusual, or unprecedented happening with global temperatures, or with Arctic ice, or Polar bears, or ocean “acidification”, and there is no acceleration in global warming, or sea level rise, or anything else. The alarmist crowd has been wrong about everything.
The whole ‘global warming’ scare is a giant head fake, kept afloat only by a mountain of taxpayer money and the mindless lemmings who believe in it. Take away the money, and the bubble would deflate in about two microseconds. I understand what the grifters are getting out of it. But what are you getting out of promoting the fake “dangerous man-made global warming” scare? Anything?

“Your “senior scientist” is an ethics-challenged, self-serving wannabe.”
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Good one…..next time you post a link to RSS data, I’ll remind you of what you said about the guy that is responsible for it.
“they don’t impress most folks.” ……but his data impresses YOU !!!!

“He is not credible” ….. Is his data credible?

PS DB

Is a peer reviewed author a scientist ?

…his data impresses YOU !!!! & etc.
It’s not his data.

Thank you for the laugh DB……
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It is “his” data.
He’s the senior scientist at RSS
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He’s responsible for it.

J. Jackson:
sci·en·tist
ˈsīən(t)əst/
noun
a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences.

Lots of folks are scientists. It does not require a PhD, or a published paper, or anything else, other than studying or expert knowledge. For example, Lord Monckton has more expert knowledge in this subject than 97% of those on the UN/IPCC.
The owner of this site who you constantly denigrate is a scientist, too. And there are other differences between scientists. Someone like Michael Mann is an ethics-challenged charlatan, IMHO. To this date he has never provided his complete data, metadata, methods and methodologies that went into fabricating his Hokey Stick chart, to other scientists requesting them. So even though he’s a scientist by definition, he’s not any more credible than your “senior scientist”. (Once again: it’s not “his” data.)
I asked before: what do you get out of promoting the misinformation that supports the “dangerous mann-made global warming” scare. Anything?

db,
Not to speak for Joel, but I’ve worked with people with PhD’s (or in some cases engineers) who either felt like they were better than others, or didn’t like letting people without degrees in their club, or they don’t know anything and don’t think anyone else without a degree can know anything either.
What they both don’t get are the scores of people with fewer qualifications who don’t let that stop them from changing the world.

Here are pictures for the entire staff at RSS
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http://www.remss.com/about/profiles
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Not only is Mears a “scientist” he’s also a “vice president”
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Enjoy !!!

Micro6500,
Yes, I agree with that.
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J. Jackson says:
Can we expect you to publish a refuation of Karl’s paper?
No need. It’s already been done here, and very thoroughly:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/05/has-noaa-ncdcs-tom-karl-repealed-the-laws-of-thermodynamics
Enjoy!!
And:
He’s the senior scientist one of several senior scientists at RSS
Fixed.
And:
You are correct about satellite data, it’s the best.
Thank you.

“No need. It’s already been done here, and very thoroughly:”

Really? If you think for one minute that an article published on a “news & commentary” web site refutes a peer reviewed scientific paper published in Science, you don’t have a clue how science is done. The topic of the “news and commentary” might be science here, but real science gets published in science journals.

” one of several senior scientists at RSS”

Again you display your lack of investigative skill. You’ll find that in addition to being the senior scientist at RSS, he is also the VP. A serious investigation would have revealed to you that the only person at RSS that has a higher ranking than Mears is the president of RSS, Mr. Frank Wentz/ Now Frank may have studied science, but he did not reach the level that Mears has with a PhD.
Mears is responsible for the data at RSS, a fact that you’ll have to accept since you consider the man to be “ethics-challenged, self-serving wannabe”

Please tell all of us what does Mears wannabe?

I like the fact that you think the data coming from an ethics-challenged person is the best.

How do you define “global warming”

The bottom line: even if there wasn’t a pause, it still wouldn’t prove anthropogenic causation. Just warming. Like all the other Holocene warm periods.

Absolutely, 100% correct. I’ve been reading and waiting to see if someone – anyone, was going to state the obvious: Any warming since the end of the LIA is natural variability, unless the alarmists can prove CO2 usurps that natural variability.

Correctomundo, Blackbeard. It’s the classic fallacy: ‘It’s happening, so it must be due to X (CO2) even though we can’t back that assertion with any credible evidence, and a lot of evidence flatly contradicts it.’ One uncomfortable fact is the lack of any global warming this century.
The day someone is able to produce a verifiable, testable measurement quantifying AGW, I will sit up straight and pay attention. I will change my mind if it’s warrented by new facts and evidence.
But so far, there are no measurements quantifying the fraction of man-made global warming, out of total global warming (MMGW) from all causes. The entire ‘carbon’ scare is based on evidence-free assertions that MMGW is happening, and that it will cause big problems.
But there is no supporting evidence for any of those claims.

“I will change my mind if it’s warrented by new facts and evidence.” ~dbs
Spot on. This is the essence of science.
“… The entire ‘carbon’ scare is based on evidence-free assertions that MMGW is happening, and that it will cause big problems. …” ~ dbs
Again, spot on. The entire edifice of alarmism is built upon the idea that “back radiation” drives the climate and warms the surface some 33 degrees. This is entirely a hypothesis and I have seen no evidence of it. The evidence we do have says that the planet warms first and then CO2 concentrations rise after the warming.
~ Mark

markstoval June 5, 2015 at 1:38 pm
There is no carbon scare. There is a war on plant food.

When they can prove “back radiation” on Venus, then I will consider it on Earth. First they have to disprove that atmospheric mass and gravity have no effect on temperature and that ideal gas laws only apply if ‘P’ is placed on its own on one side of the equation.

Jaakko Kateenkorva

wickedwenchfan
+10

David A

Asking the question; How long has it been since the globe has warmed? is not cherry picking either. It cannot be, because the question has no specific date going backwards. 1998 was clearly the warmest year, and not by a little. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/05/the-climate-warming-pause-goes-awol-or-maybe-not/#comment-1955535
The start date of the satellite era is an unintentional cherry pick, as it falls at the beginning of warming ENSO cycles.

PiperPaul

There are five lights.
2+2=5
Bruce Jenner is female.
There is no pause.

Your 2 + 2 = 5 is only valid for Common Crap, er Core.

Harold

Or if a dog’s tail is a leg.

MCourtney

2 + 2 = 5?
How accurately can you measure 2?
It might be right.

2+2 in base 4 + 10

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta

2+2=5 is true for very large values of 2.

Crispin,
That one always brings a smile… ☺

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta

Speaking of large values of 2, I realised after working on my comments in Ross McKitrick’s thread the reason why the Hockey Stick failed to score the winning goal for Climate Alarm. They sent a Mann to do a Buoys job.
So there we have two good examples of inflating value without increasing worth.

and…
There is no spoon.

Sal Minella

Nice Star Trek reference.

ossqss

So,,,, the A in AGW really means “Adjusted” via Anthropogenic means ?
What is the total contribution of the cumulative adjustments made by human hands in any given temperature data set? .8-1.2C?
C’mon, somebody must know this.
It even sounds right. Adjusted Global Warming!

catweazle666

I go for Mann Made Global Warming personally.

Leonard Lane

I like climate séance.

A recent article by Monckton posted here had that information. I think the number was about 0.5°C, or in other words, 1/2 of all 20th century warming was caused by Anthropogenic adjustments.

Har, Har….+100

Ossqss, in Arts of Truth the adjustments to the historic record were examined, and I found that of the ~0.76C since 1900, ~0.45 is probably real and the rest comes from anthropogenic data homogenization. Too complicated to explain in a comment. Now, those estimates are without uncertainty error bounds, which even Gavin Schmid says are on the order of plus minus 0.1C

ossqss

How do we interpolate this in the fundamentals? The U.S. was by far the best of such……
http://www.surfacestations.org

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta

I have been testing K band thermocouple drift compared with RTD’s today in the lab in Yogyakarta. The drift over periods of a few minutes is about 0.3 degrees C up and down, depending on the manufacturer. Calibration offsets needed ranged from 0.15 to 5.0 degrees.
The RTD’s drifted from each other by up to 0.004 C.
So what is the importance of finding a quarter of a degree change in a value that has half a degree of drift?

I thought we had to see water vapor go up before temperature did to validate the models?

catweazle666

Unfortunately for the Warmists it seems to be going down…
https://www.sciencemag.org/content/327/5970/1219.abstract

Only a matter of time before they start altering the satellite data itself.

Sleepalot

The day the satelite stops transmitting.

Leonard Lane

Well, NASA and NOAA control the satellites and their data. We have seen that both corrupt data to fit their political agenda.

Brendy

So there was a pause for 21 years, it just so happened to occur between 1979 and 2000

richard verney

I and a few others have been banging on about this for years.
The problem is the straight line linear plots/trend lines that the warmists use. But there is no mathematical justification for using such a linear trend line.
When one looks at the satellite data, temperatures are flat from lauch (1979) through to the run up to the 1998 Super El Nino, then there is a step change in temperatures of about 0.2degC, then following the Super El Nino, temperatures are flat to data.
It is clear that there are two pauses, not one. There is no first order correlation between CO2 levels and temperature. It would appear that there is simply a one off and isolated warming event of natural origin, namely the Super El Nino of 1998.
We are unable to detect the signal (if any) to CO2 from the noise of natural variation bearing in mind the limitations and errors imposed by our best and most sophisticated measuring devices.
Does that mean that CO2 does not cause warming? Well no one knows. Possibly it does cause warming but it is subortinate to natural variation and swamped by it, and the signal (if any at all) would appear to be rather small unless the error bounds of our best and most sophisticated measuring equipment are large. The smaller these error bounds are, the smaller Climate Sensitivity to CO2 must be.
The more interesting question is why was the heat that was released from the ocean into the atmosphere by the Super El Nino of 1998 not yet dissipated? When will it dissipate?
It is difficult to see how the cult of AGW can enjoy the support or passive support of genuine scientists if cooling over the coming decade occurs.

The alarmists are running around in a panic and in ever decreasing circles, because they know that Paris is their last chance to destroy the world’s economy and condemn us all to living a feudal existence.
In my mind there are two major flaws in their thinking:
1) The Pause should not be happening yet it is, if they can massage the data it may go away;we need as much pre-massaged data as we can get
2) The world has had much greater concentrations of CO2 in the past, without climate change going into positive feedback and with CO2 levels being out od sync with raised global temperatures. These facts needs to be widely publicised.

Jim Watson

Rather than strengthen the arguments of the Warmbots, this NCDC paper that “disappears” the Pause just shows what complete pandemonium they are in.

Leonard Lane

And what scoundrels too, to take taxpayer funded public property and abuse it for nefarious personal reasons.

talldave2

The worst part of all this is that it was entirely possible temperatures could have risen by as much as a degree or so over that time simply due to natural variation, and the models would still be just as wrong.
The fact we even have to have a debate with these lunatics given that there’s no warming is a depressingly familiar sign of the decay of society.

Billy Liar

Yep, integrity left the room …

Leonard Lane

And decency followed.

Latitude

NCDC evidence shows that much depends on polar temperatures….
=========
Global warming makes older thicker ice at one pole….and a hell of a lot more ice at the other pole
….while at the same time breaking record high temperatures at both poles
It’s magic……

temp

I think the most effective way of dealing with this is to fan the fire…. aka use the “new” their was never a pause fake data and say the IPCC which confirmed a pause is wrong. Since the IPCC is wrong all of global warming as it is known is wrong and should be sent back to the drawing draw…. even the cultists should be able to grasp that concept.

temp

O just to further add in on this if someone wants a personal project. 1998 is a very key year… as anyone following the adjustments knows 1998 keeps being adjusted down heavily. A great project would be to compare the temp release in 1998 of 1998 vs the current temp for 1998. Goddard’s site has been watching it for awhile however I think with these adjustments a key line has been breached… aka they have adjusted 1998 more then the margin for error for both the 1998 data and the current data…. which means both the past and current data sets are debunked because the margin of error is completely wrong.

steve in seattle

Keep pushing and promoting both RSS and UAH while at the same time fully vet the ” agendas ” morph of version 3b to 4.

David S

I find it interesting that the warmists are now spending so much time trying to re engineer the pause as in fact continued warming. If what we are suffering from is climate change why should it matter if its getting warmer or cooler. The reality is that the lack of major weather events, tornados etc is making that argument also difficult. There is no doubt that the only way they are going to keep the scare going is to somehow change the past so their constant narrative of Armageddon is not debunked. If they didn’t have such a compliant media and a corrupt political class this fight would’ve been over years ago. All we can hope is that we can continue to win some key battles so that eventually the war will be won.

masInt branch 4 C3I in is

I bought another bag of Budda Popcorn yesterday evening!
Looks like NOAA GS-15s really know how to cook-the-books (look over at Wa-Po). The fellow working at Silver Springs engineered a cushy consultant job, then retired, then next day walks back in his office and begins AS THE CONSULTANT. With a “housing allowance” of $50,000 per year he managed to walk away with about $500,000 before being fired after about 24 months.
Hats off the NOAA, the Fed at its best.
Ha ha

Bernie

Hold steady. The premise is that change is accelerating, and is unprecedented. That leads to “action required” mentality. Is temperature change accelerating…sea level rise…first day of spring…coral reef decline…ocean acidification…glacier retreat…??? Make them say, “Oh yes, change is accelerating, but it’s too small to see that acceleration just now.” Right now they only have: “Things are changing…OMG!”
How can we measure or calculate acceleration when the primary values are so uncertain? So-called positive feedback is the lynch-pin to the CAGW hypothesis.

troe

Yeah NOAA is packed with the usual government types. You have to hope that there are at least a few straight scientists in there to keep them a little in check.

Eliza

So basically Tony Heller aka Steven Goddard was right from way way way back 2008? Maybe WUWT should have concentrated on the issue at hand which is massive fraud a long long time ago. FIFA has been caught out. Once Obama is finished and the Republican president M Rubio is elected (my Guess LOL), this will be the same for NCDC, NOAA, AMS, APS, IPCC will be prosecuted by the FBI and Interpol for massive fraud and misrepresentation.

Motl in support of Singer:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2015/01/rss-amsu-temperatures-1979-2014-grouped.html
As per Motl’s nine-year graph, note that the decade 2005-14 may well have been cooler than the prior decade 1995-2004, despite the allegedly “warmest year on record” of 2014 (actually seventh in RSS).
The gatekeepers will find it necessary to cool the recent past when we reach the decade 2007-16, since 1997-2006 is likely to have been warmer.
Instead of a running average, we may find that, while 2001-10 was warmer than 1991-2000, the present decade 2011-20 will be cooler. The cooling pattern of the late 1940s to ’70s, following the warmer 1910s to ’40s, appears to be repeating.

dmh

So let me get this straight:
1. Hansen – if the pause goes 10 years, the models are invalid
2. NASA – well…actually, 15 years
3. Santer – well…. actually, 17 years
4. Dozens of scientists publishing papers explaining the pause
5. UN-IPCC AR5 says the models probably are wrong (due to the pause), substitutes “expert opinion” for sensitivity instead of using the models.
6. NCDC says, never mind, if you take out the satellite data, put buoy data in instead, adjust the buoy data upwards to match the admittedly less accurate ship data from previous years, then weight the upward adjusted buoy temps to be a bigger part of the over all trend, and poof, the pause never happened at all.
So is there one model. any model, the predicted the temperature rise in the areas of the world that this new analysis shows to be warmer than previously thought? I bet not one, because if ANY of them got it right, they would have predicted this specific analysis. So, EVEN IF this analysis is right, the modes are STILL wrong.
Not that this will stop these results from being quoted by Obama the moment it becomes convenient.

Reg Nelson

Prior to 1., all warming was solely due to CO2, which trumps all, and none attributable to natural variation.
4A. Ur . . . Em . . It would have warmed if it weren’t natural variation which now trumps CO2.
They flip flop more than a politician, but then again this is really about politics and has nothing to do with science.

fritz

Bonjour Fred
Do you remember the meeting in Paris in the Procop restaurant; it was 7 years ago and I never thought that the climate problems would take such an importance in the political and economical world; I think COP 21 would be the opportunity to try to make such a meeting in october in Paris ; I know a lot of people asking in the same way
Sincerely
Frederic Sommer

Bruce Cobb

The reason we can say the warming has stopped for over 18 years is that that is how far back you can go from today and still get a trend of 0, using satellite data. There is no cherry-picking, although it is a construct. It’s significance lies in what it says about the GCMs; that they have failed miserably. They are fundamentally flawed. Another important point is that, to Warmists horror, the Halt just keeps getting longer, although there might be a hitch if El Nino strengthens in coming months, and that’s a big if. By Paris, it will likely be in the vicinity of 19 years.

It doesn't add up...

It appears that even Science magazine are running scared about Karl et al. They’ve just let through a bunch of comments:
http://comments.sciencemag.org/content/10.1126/science.aaa5632

Robert Matthews
The authors state: “It is also noteworthy that the new global trends are statistically significant and positive at the 0.10 significance level for 1998–2012”.
It’s certainly noteworthy for sceptics, as so high a p-value is usually interpreted as meaning the null hypothesis (here, that there is no temp trend) has not been ruled out. Perhaps the authors could explain why this interpretation does not apply here ?
Submitted on Fri, 06/05/2015 – 10:04
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John Torres
So basically, if you don’t like the “pause” in global warming all you have to do is fiddle with the numbers until you get the result you want.
Guess the “debate” is finally over.
Thank you, science.
Submitted on Fri, 06/05/2015 – 09:18
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Adolf Stips
The authors write in SI: “Previous versions of our SST analysis included satellite data, but it was dis-included in a 71 later release because the satellite SSTs were not found to add appreciable value to a monthly 72 analysis on a 2° grid, and they actually introduced a small but abrupt cool bias at the global scale 73 starting in 1985 (30)”
Satellite SST has global coverage (including the mentioned under sampled arctic regions) but as these data do not fit with message given by the authors, they with just one sentence of justification exclude 30 years of satellite observations from their analysis. I cannot believe this to be true.
Is this serious science?
Submitted on Fri, 06/05/2015 – 06:07
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Megalith Megalith
So, you found a way to fudge the data that proved anthropogenic global warming was a hoax. I’m sure Obama and the Democrat party will reward you with more of my stolen taxes to support your continuing charade.
Submitted on Fri, 06/05/2015 – 01:54
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It doesn’t add up
This study has already been debunked by Richard Lindzen: http://www.cato.org/blog/there-no-hiatus-global-warming-after-all Tisdale and Watts: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/06/new-paper-on-the-pause-is-… Judith Curry: http://judithcurry.com/2015/06/04/has-noaa-busted-the-pause-in-global-wa… Ross McKitrick: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/04/a-first-look-at-possible-artifacts
Submitted on Thu, 06/04/2015 – 22:20
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Larry Evans
“Adjusted” = Fake.
Pathetic.
Submitted on Thu, 06/04/2015 – 17:15
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William Adams
There are a lot of genuine criticisms of the methodology used here. One such article is here: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-eras
Even after reading all the texts and looking at the data, many data scientists as well as climate scientists are questioning if this is a case of adjusting the data to meet the desired conclusion.
Submitted on Thu, 06/04/2015 – 16:09
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Ted King
This article seems to do nothing more than demonstrate the sheer malleability of these data to fit a politically-driven narrative.
Submitted on Thu, 06/04/2015 – 15:50
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Not a single message of support.

It doesn't add up...

Should there be an effort to get the paper retracted?

MCourtney

Yes.
For the sake of logic.
If we let this pass we let anyone set contradictory principles to be accepted in any fields.

Donb

Don’t forget, Science is in part a news magazine. For years they promoted interest in the concept of AGW in order to promote their mag. Now they sense an even bigger story developing — that AGW may be controversial. One begins to see this in some other news services.

kim

The alarmists don’t know it yet, but there’s gonna be a BRIC fight in Paris. Some media may sense the aura of not yet shed blood already.
====================

This is hopeful information. Thanks for posting it. Elsewhere, I speculated that Karl’s paper was blatantly tone deaf, and could backfire. Perhaps it now is. Opens up not just the pause/model discrepancy (which the paper does NOT eliminate), it opens up the whole past adjustments can of worms. Perfect timing, six months formit to fester before Paris.

Harold

This is the first of many papers in the next few months that are going to conclude that there’s no pause. I’ve seen this movie before.

Latitude

Not a single message of support.
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Someone needs to ask what’s going to happen to all those hundreds of papers, by climate scientists, explaining the ‘pause’…….

Charlie

It’s amazing most of the leftist or environmental publications will have an immediate warning in the first paragraph that the “deniers” will try to refute this adjustment and that they are all liars or idiots. Talk about a guilty conscience and protesting too much. Can this scam be any more obvious? Do people have any common sense anymore?

Dawtgtomis

Charlie, there was an employee of the dental college where I worked who was stealing aluminum ADA signage and cashing in the aluminum. His cover move (MO), was to be the first to report the theft as they were under his union jurisdiction for installation. He was eventually caught stealing and his position was abolished and assigned to other craftsmen. I sense the same sort of CYA is going on when they talk about going after skeptics as racketeers!

It doesn't add up...

Reminds me of the old tale about the ex-con workman who wheeled out a barrow covered with a tarpaulin from his workplace. He was stopped by security, who whisked off the tarpaulin, and found nothing underneath. They asked what he was nicking. “Wheelbarrows, of course!” came the reply.

PiperPaul

Common sense vacated many people about the same time computers became ubiquitous in the western countries.

Can they say truthfully that both moored and drift buoys have increased global coverage of temperature data by 15%? That seems like a very large percentage.

Dawtgtomis

But if the number is small to start with, it won’t take as much additional coverage to increase by a given percentage. The sum will not be that large either.
Perhaps a several hundred percent increase might give the coverage necessary to really see the big picture…

John Smith

I’m just a regular bloke whut got interested in climate science
… so they reconfigured data in order to disprove something that they previously claimed did not exist in the first place?
science seems really different now from what I remember in school
but I only made it through 15th grade
kinda glad I bailed out early

John Smith

uh … may I rephrase
so the reconfigured data clearly shows that what was clearly not there before is still not there?
progress
at a melting glacial pace

MCourtney

You have the right suspicion.
Who cares when you or anyone quits formal learning?
You have learnt how to spot rubbish.

Dawtgtomis

Thanks, my friend! I quit college too, but I earned a pension and I get to satisfy my mind before I die (I hope).

John Smith

actually I have a PhD … no, just kidding
isn’t this phase 2 of the walk back?
as in…
1 your’re nuts and you’re seeing things
2 ok, there’s something there, but we can explain it
3 oops, we can’t explain it
4 we told you the whole time flying saucers were real
😉
seriously, tacit admission that there is something in the observed data that must be explained away
this is gonna be a great show

Original title of the NOAA study: “Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus”
NOAA website [Updated at 3:45 p.m. ET: Headline truncated; no longer refers to original study title. Title was revised today by the journal Science at the time of publication]
Possibly the use of “possible” in the original title was a Freudian Slip?

Mark

My take is that this may have the opposite political effect of want was intended. After years of telling us how certain scientists were that the earth was warming a certain amount per century and that it was due to manmade carbon and that it was going to be catastrophic….97% sure….warmest year ever etc….now they are telling us that they don’t even know what the global temperature was for the last couple of decades and whether or not it was rising.
TLDR – After posturing so much certainty, this study introduces uncertainty in the most basic element of the hypothesis….

+10

Latitude

Excellent point Mark!………..

Jquip

Yep, you get it.

Paul Coppin

So it would seem Tom Karl’s credibility just ran off with Trenberth’s missing heat, and they’re both hiding at the bottom of the ocean until this all blows over.

Rob

Individuals at NCDC are getting carelessly reckless(and desperate)
in their old age.
Very bad.

Or, they believe they are protected, and have nothing to worry about.

Not only that, but a look at the detailed NCDC evidence shows that much depends on polar temperatures — which are mostly guessed at, for lack of good observations. If one uses the (truly global) satellite data, analyzed either by UAH or by RSS, the pause is still there, starting around 2003
However UAH and RSS are not truly global, they don’t cover the poles either (or high areas like the Himalyas). RSS TLT from 70S to 82.5N,

MCourtney

True, they don’t.
So perhaps the heat is missing where the satellites can’t chase it (my, how coy).
But if it is hiding where there happens to be ice then… so what?
The heat used in phase changes of ice to liquid water means that the temperature won’t change – no AGW!
OK, maybe albedo changes. But little light reaches the Poles anyway.
This is, therefore, trivial.

MCourtney

Correction.(help mods)
True, they don’t.
So perhaps the heat is missing where the satellites can’t chase it (my, how coy).
But if it is hiding where there happens to be ice then… so what?
The heat used in phase changes of ice to liquid water means that the temperature won’t change – no AGW!
OK, maybe albedo changes. But little light reaches the Poles anyway.
This is, therefore, trivial.

So you agree that Singer was mistaken in his original post? Plenty of light reaches the polar regions in summer.

Alan Robertson

Phil, what are you talking about?

Alan Robertson

Nevermind.

A rule the NCDC and Karl apparently never learned: never defend the indefensible. Taking satellites out of your data does not make them go away.
A rule for skeptics to follow here: Napoleon’s dictum, never interrupt an enemy in the process of making a mistake. No retraction request. Let this blatant nonsense hang out there and fester. The stench will reach Paris.

Harold

Eventually, somebody’s going to have to go out and ring the bell and shout “bring out your dead”.

Dawtgtomis

Sorry couldn’t help myself…

tango

no mention of the 25 + the volcanoes erupting under the oceans emitting most of the Co2 ? WHY NOT http://www.volcano.si.edu/reports_weekly.cfm

Neville

What’s all the fuss about? IPCC lead author Phillip Lloyd has a 2015 study of the ice cores that shows that the normal temp difference over 100 year intervals is about 1 C. This is for the last 8,000 years.
We’ve had about 0.85C warming since 1880, so what is unusual about this warming for the last 135 years and at the end of a minor ice age? NOTHING. Here is the abstract————-
Abstract
There has been widespread investigation of the drivers of changes in global temperatures. However, there has been remarkably little consideration of the magnitude of the changes to be expected over a period of a few decades or even a century. To address this question, the Holocene records up to 8000 years before present, from several ice cores were examined. The differences in temperatures between all records which are approximately a century apart were determined, after any trends in the data had been removed. The differences were close to normally distributed. The average standard deviation of temperature was 0.98 ± 0.27 °C. This suggests that while some portion of the temperature change observed in the 20th century was probably caused by greenhouse gases, there is a strong likelihood that the major portion was due to natural variations.
http://multi-science.atypon.com/doi/abs/10.1260/0958-305X.26.3.417

Dawtgtomis

I agree. Is climate 30 years, 300 years, or much larger cycles? We are apparently naive by nature as our species’ residency on the planet is relatively recent and our verifiable records are quite small.

Dawtgtomis

It all might have a relationship to the human lifespan, no?

pochas

Science entering the realm of comedy,

Bubba Cow

out with the D word and in with the Cs: Cranks and Contrarians
How global warming cranks influence legitimate science.
and the whiners –
Kevin Trenberth – “Yes, I have certainly been influenced by deniers and their commentary, and I have written several articles rebutting flawed articles. … It is indeed very annoying when the media pick up on one denier point that has no basis and gives it great attention. So I have no doubt that “seepage” occurs”.
Michael Mann – “The whole concept of a “pause” or “hiatus” arose because of a concerted framing effort by climate change deniers and contrarians, and many in the climate research community fell victim to that framing all too predictably”.
my bolds

Evan Jones

Not surprisingly, they used the surface temperature record, with its well-known problems.
Our team is going to have fun with this one!

u.k.(us)

Will any of this slow the deployment of the windmills ?
At some point someone has to say,…. enough already !!!!
Think of the legacies being left to the children of the proponents.

Alan Robertson

Another big wind installation has recently been erected in one of the last vestiges of the continent’s tall grass prairies, in Osage Co, OK. The political shenanigans which secured approval for the project were a sight to behold, with cash payments to local town council officials for “beautification” projects, etc. The Osage Nation owns all mineral rights on their Osage County reservation lands and sued the wind utility for failing to pay for onsite limestone excavations used to make concrete foundations for the towers. A judge actually sided with the wind utility with one of the most pretzel- logic decisions ever handed down, saying that he didn’t see any reason that the company should have to pay since the stone was just going to be put back in the ground, anyway. One might suspect that the judge is financially a lot closer to retirement now, since the issue threatened to halt the project worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
When it was pointed out that nearby Kaw Lake is a major winter roost destination for our nation’s symbol, the Bald Eagle and eagle deaths by bird slicer were sure to follow, Pres. Obama intervened and gave the windgen operators permission to kill 3 eagles a year. When it was also pointed out that this area is also home to rapidly diminishing numbers of Prairie Chickens, who have no tolerance whatsoever for any building or artifice made by man within their breeding territory. The answers from the Green wind supporters were the typical “but cats kill birds…” and such. One Osage tribal member said “I’d like to meet the cat that can kill an Eagle.”
Any number of laws governing Osage Indian rights were swept aside and ignored, to get approval for the project.
The windy operators made great inroads against local opposition to the project with not only a campaign of rhetoric about clean energy and saving the planet, but they also told great tales about how the local school district would benefit from million$ of annual ad valorem tax payments, the facts of which were later unhappily discovered by the locals that the company had secured a 5 year moratorium of said tax payments.
BS, greed and corrupt power from top to bottom.

Don B

On the road to Paris there is a lot of rubbish.

Leonard Lane

On the road to dystopia.

K. Kilty

The weakness of the efforts of Karl, et al, is best illustrated by accepting, for purposes of argumentation, that all their data manipulation has been done well. Then by their own Figure 1, the box-plot showing temperature data in the period labelled “hiatus” included the value 0.0 trend in the confidence interval (CI) of the old data, and now still includes the value 0.0. And this is using the 90%, which has the smallest CI one can plausibly use.

pat

it may be Aussie weather, but surely this attempt to wipe out the Pause couldn’t have come at a worse time!
5 June: ABC: Alkira Reinfrank: Canberra’s extreme run of overnight lows ‘only seen every 10 to 15 years’
Since early Monday morning Canberrans have spent more hours in temperatures below zero than above.
Overnight, Canberrans shivered through a low of -7 degrees, with mercury only climbing above zero after 9:30am.
This follows Monday’s cold temperatures which saw 20 centimetres of snow fall on the New South Wales ski resorts and Canberra region, the -7C lows experienced on Tuesday morning- which matched temperatures in the Snowy Mountains, and Wednesday’s -5C lows…
Bureau of Meteorology forecaster Sean Carson said temperature lows seen this week, along with last August’s extreme run of lows only occurred once a decade.
“August last year saw a pretty impressive run of overnight lows, where we saw eight consecutives nights below -5C, with the lowest night in that sequence getting all the way down to -8C,” he said.
“But prior to that it is probably something we only see every 10 to 15 years where we get such cold minimums.”…
Mr Carson said this “impressive” run of temperatures was more common in the 1970s.
***”It used to be fairly regular before the 1970s, before we saw a lot of development across Canberra, which did give Canberra a little bit of heat coming from industry,” he said…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-04/extreme-frosty-mornings-continue-in-canberra/6520778

Australia is quite a big place and has had pretty underwhelming temperatures across the board since about December last year. The rain also came back to most areas, which also has caused lots of silence in alarmist quarters, lest their previous hysteria about never ending drought be remembered

richard

wickedwenchfan –
this is the Gaurdian in full madness mode-
“Climate change
Climate change making droughts in Australia worse as rain patterns shift”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/31/climate-change-making-droughts-in-australia-worse-as-rain-patterns-shift
“record rains rains triggered so much new growth across Australia that the continent turned into a giant green carbon sink to rival tropical rainforests including the Amazon, our new research shows”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/22/record-rains-turned-australia-into-a-giant-green-global-carbon-sink

Patrick

The ski season started a week early too.

john soldier

I firmly believe that using the term “pause” has problems. Pause infers that the previous trend upwards will continue once the ‘pause’ finishes. The is exactly the inference the warmists want.
I prefer the term “plateau” since that accurately describes the near horizontal time period without any inference of which way it will go next – up or down.
We could well be in for a downward trend when the plateau ends and there are many at the pointy end of this debate suggesting that outcome. We are in fact in an interglacial phase of unknown duration.
We could have indeed reached peak global warming!
So let’s all begin calling it a PLATEAU from now on. Keep the debate focused without unnecessary concessions.

mebbe

john soldier,
You’re right about the connotations of the word “pause”, but I don’t like your solution.
I don’t know much about the art of war or the Chinese dude that everyone likes to quote but I think he’d be with me on this one.
“Pause” is their word; we can either launch a frontal assault on its spurious semantic significance or we just co-opt the word and serve it back to them with whatever inflection we choose.
(on a more awkward note; it would be worth looking up the difference between infer and imply.)

MikeB

How about plateaupause

Paul Coppin

Already taken by an semi-endangered marsupial in Tasmania.

Juan Slayton

I think that’s an Australian monotreme…
: > )

Juan Slayton

Sorry Paul, I didn’t see your comment. Beat me to it again….

What can you expect from a bunch of climate pause deniers?