By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Tom Karl’s paper (Karl et al. 2015) purporting to abolish the global-warming pause, recently published in Science, may be partly my fault. I first ran across the National Climatic Data Center’s (NCDC) accident-prone director in a Congressional hearing room in about 2009, when I was the witness for the Republicans, Karl for the Democrats.
I showed the energy and environment committee a graph showing the mean of the temperature anomalies from the three terrestrial and two satellite datasets. The graph showed that in the first eight years of the 21st century the Earth had cooled:
Representative Joe Barton of Texas, the formidable Republican ranking member of the House climate committee, feigned astonishment. He rounded on Karl and said: “You and other officials have made repeated appearances before this committee in recent months, telling us over and over again about “global warming”. Not one of you has ever told us that there has been global cooling throughout the past seven or eight years. Why not? Or is Lord Monckton lying to us?”
Tom Karl, who was sitting next to me, looked as though he wished the “warming” Earth would swallow him up. He shifted from one well-padded butt-cheek to the other. He harrumphed, “Er, ah, well, that is, we wouldn’t have quite – oof – um – done the calculations that way, aaahh… We wouldn’t have averaged the anomalies from – umf – multiple datasets with different fields of coverage, err – aaagh…”
Karl was Saved by the Bell (perhaps he saw himself in the role of Screech to my Zack Morris in the hit 90s teen TV series). A division was called and proceedings were suspended while Hon. Members shuffled out to vote.
While the committee members were doing their democratic duty, Tom Karl rounded on me and hissed, “How do you expect to be taken seriously?”
“I don’t,” I said. “I expect the data to be taken seriously.”
Karl also took issue with my having told the committee there had been no particular trend in landfalling U.S. hurricanes over the past 100 years. He was carrying a vast artist’s portfolio of charts about with him. He flipped it open and said, “You’re wrong.”
“No,” I said, “I’m right.”
He pointed to the graph. I was indeed wrong. Karl’s graph showed no trend in landfalling hurricanes not only for 100 years but for 150 years. His face fell, then brightened again: “Ah,” he said, “but just look at how tropical storms have increased in the past 30 years!”
“You know perfectly well,” I replied, “that that apparent increase is merely an artifact of the satellite coverage that began 30 years ago. Before then, you knew if a hurricane had hit you, but you would probably not be able to detect every tropical storm.”
The committee members murmured back into the hearing room and took their seats. Joe Barton snapped, “Both of you had better write to this committee informing it of how you reached your mutually incompatible conclusions about whether there has been cooling over the past seven or eight years.”
I was quick off the mark, sending the committee a letter that week pointing out that each of the datasets individually showed the cooling. I had particular pleasure in pointing out that Karl’s own NCDC dataset showed it:
Karl sent a rather testy reply to the committee saying that the mere data were not relevant. Eight years was too short a period to draw any conclusion, yada yada. What he could not quite bring himself to admit was that he had been wrong in suggesting there had been no global cooling from 2001-2008. His own dataset showed it.
Now, perhaps still smarting over his trouncing at the hands of a mere layman trumping predictions with data, Karl has done his best to abolish outright the Pause of 18 years 6 months that makes a standing mockery of the wildly exaggerated predictions of the error-prone models unjustifiably but profitably favored by the politico-scientific establishment of which he is a member.
Skeptical scientists including Bob Tisdale, Judith Curry, Ross McKitrick Dick Lindzen and our kind host, have all weighed in with commendable speed to point out how much is wrong with Karl’s overt data tampering.
There is one glorious point they have not mentioned. Karl’s paper appears to repeal the laws of thermodynamics.
Suppose, ad argumentum, that he is right. In that event, in the past 15 years global warming at the Earth’s surface has continued at the not particularly alarming rate of 0.116 K per decade. In 1990 the IPCC’s central business-as-usual prediction for the medium term was equivalent to 0.28 K per decade, so, on any view, Karl’s paper is an admission that the models have been exaggerating by well over double.
But let us look at what happened either side of the surface over the same period.
Beneath the surface heaves the vasty deep. The least ill-resolved source of data about the temperature of the top 1900 m of the ocean is the network of some 3600 automated ARGO bathythermograph buoys.
Unlike the assorted ship’s buckets and engine intake sensors and promenade-deck thermometers that preceded them, the bathythermographs were specifically designed to provide a consistent, calibrated, competent ocean temperature dataset.
They have their problems, not the least of which is that there are so few of them. Each buoy takes only 3 measurements a month in 200,000 cubic kilometres of ocean – a volume 200 miles square and a mile and a quarter deep. The bias uncertainty is of course less than it was in the bad old days of buckets and such, but the coverage uncertainty remains formidable.
Another problem is that ARGO only began producing proper data in 2004, and there seems to have been no update to its marine atlas since the end of 2014.
Nevertheless, ARGO is the least bad we have. And what the buoys show is that the rate of global ocean warming in those 11 full years of data is equivalent to less than a fortieth of a degree per decade – 0.023 degrees per decade, to be more precise:
The lower troposphere extends about as far above the surface as the ARGO-measured upper ocean extends below it. Its temperature is measured by the satellites from which the RSS and UAH datasets come. They have a highish bias uncertainty, but a low coverage uncertainty. Following the recent revision of the UAH dataset, they now tell much the same story. Here is the RSS graph for the 11 years 2004-2014:
These considerations raise an important question, which – once it has been raised – is obvious. But, as Dr Lyne, my wise tutor in Classics at Cambridge, used to remind us: “Do not be frightened to state the obvious. It is surprising how often the obvious goes unnoticed until someone points it out.”
Here is the obvious question. Where is Karl’s surface warming coming from?
It is not coming from above, for in the lower troposphere there was no warming over the 11-year period 2004-2014 (or, for that matter, over the 15-year period 2000-2014).
Four-fifths of it is not coming from below, for Karl’s paper says that from 2000-2014, the 15-year period that includes the 11 years for which we have ARGO data, the surface warming rate was equivalent to 0.116 degrees per decade – more or less exactly five times the measured ocean warming rate.
Not much is coming from the land, for Karl’s paper makes few adjustments to the rate of warming of the air above the land, which in any event accounts for only 29% of the Earth’s surface.
Where is the missing heat coming from? Spukhäfte Fernwirkung, perhaps? Have Mr Karl, and the peerless peer-reviewers of Science who ought surely to have spotted this huge error, inadvertently repealed the laws of thermodynamics? I think we should be told. For if I am right this is the simplest, clearest, most complete refutation of Karl’s paper.
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While out driving yesterday, I had NPR tuned in on the car radio.
My head almost exploded when I listened to the NPR story on ARGO, and listened to Ternbreth(sp?) explain that they discovered that the BOUYS were reporting incorrect data, based on a comparison between bouy data and PASSING SHIPS. The ships, you see, always seem to report a higher temp nearby than the bouy does, so obviously, the bouy data …wait for it…MUST BE ADJUSTED UPWARDS.
At this point I really have to pull over to the side of the road.
He goes on to explain that after making this much-needed correction, not only has there been NO pause, but it is, in fact, warming EVEN FASTER than previously thought.
The NPR “reporter” never once asked “Why do you assume the ship’s measurements are the ones that are correct?”
The whole thing was once again presented as “settled science”.
An independent study found the ARGO data to be 0.5C too warm.
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/06/study-shows-argo-ocean-robots-uncertainty-was-up-to-100-times-larger-than-advertised/
“One of the problems with this study was the newness of the ARGO array at the time, which had 2,000 buoys in 2005, and didn’t reach the full complement of 3,000 until 2007. So the sampled error will be smaller now than it was then.”
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Got more recent data?
j jackson says:
Got more recent data?
Sure, up to 2013. We see that in most depths, oceans are cooling:
http://tumetuestumefaisdubien1.sweb.cz/ARGO-sea-temperature-max-max.PNG
Here is a map from 0 – 2,000 meters:
Again, we see ocean temp is flat to cooling.
Does it make a difference if you adjust ship data downwards?
Just asking.
Well, do an experiment with some dummy data. You will find that it has no effect on the trend if you increase all buoys 0.12 C going forward or decrease all ships 0.12 C going backwards. In fact, folks here often criticize NOAA for cooling the past with adjustments, as their usual practice with land records is to assume that current readings are correct and adjust everything backwards to remove breakpoints and other localized inhomogeneities.
Yes, it does make a difference. The pause Karl partly erased by adjusting buoy data upward begins to reappear if you adjust ship data downward. Can’t have that.
Seriously?
That happens to be exactly what the Karl paper does. They turn decent if rough data into dummy data by adding numbers derived from a less trustworthy source.
Climate science where the supposed scientists change data to match their bias.
In any other discipline, people who modify historical data get fired. Data is no longer data when it is fudged!
And yes, I worked in Finance where people who changed historical data looked at prison terms. Adjustments for every datum must be recorded separately with detailed documentation for why there are adjustments for that datum.
Also in Climate science there is absolute apathy for error calculations and error bars.
± 1.7°C makes 0.12°C well within error. That is before truly identifying error ranges for every instance of temperature measurement. Averaging thousands of temperature recording instances does not reduce error!
Note: I tried using the <sup> and </sup> coding. apologies if it didn’t work.
Zeke, if I understand correctly what others have said, they adjusted the bouy data upwards, and then weighted the bouy data more than the ship data. If so, it’s not a matter of just adding to one or subtracting to the other. If you adjust the ships data downward, but still weight the bouys data more, it will make a difference.
“Yes, it does make a difference. The pause Karl partly erased by adjusting buoy data upward begins to reappear if you adjust ship data downward. Can’t have that.”
It doesn’t make a difference.
You have a scale. you weigh yourself every morning. every morning
you weigh 200 lbs.
you buy a second scale. It measures 202. for the next 3months you measure with both scales. One says 200 the other says 202.
Now I ask you: Please estimate your change in weight over the last year
Your data looks like this
Scale1 : 200,200,200, 200,200,200,200,200,200,NA,NA,NA,
Scale 2 NA NA NA NA NA NA ,202,202,202,202,202,202,
Do you
1. Average the two?
2. Adjust 200 to 202
3. Adjust 202 to 200.
Note that option 1 gives the wrong answer
note that the trend doesnt care whether you use #2 or #3
Mosh your analogy is fatally flawed. You are taking two measurements of the exact same thing using the exact same methodology in your analogy, the only thing changed is the static calibration of the scale. In the ocean, the methodologies are different and the water being testing is not exactly the same (taken from different depths and different times and different places) in otherwords all the variables are different not just one as in your analogy. It’s apples and oranges and you should know better than that.
Mosher says:
“It doesn’t make a difference.
You have a scale. you weigh yourself every morning. every morning
you weigh 200 lbs.
you buy a second scale. It measures 202”
A more apt analogy would be:
You weigh yourself using 4 different scales every day
None of your scales are particularly accurate
None of them give the same result as any of the other scales
Sometimes you weigh yourself on an even floor – sometimes on an uneven floor
Sometimes you weigh yourself in your boxers (sorry if you are eating folks)
Sometimes you weigh yourself in your outdoor gear
Sometimes you have a rucksack on your back
Sometimes you only put one foot on some of the scales
Sometimes you lean against the sink to get a lower reading
Sometimes you cant be bothered using some of the 4 scales so you fill in the gaps
Then you buy a state-of-the-art set of accurate scales and you weigh yourself under consistent conditions
Do you now:
a) Acknowledge how useless the old readings are and ditch them
b) Adjust the accurate readings to be “consistent” with the old innacurate readings and write a scientific paper that shows how your weight has gone up since you bought the new scales
So, Zeke, what you are saying is “What difference does it make if…?”
Now, where have I heard that before?
Oh, I know…must have been some hack politician.
Because, to some people, it is what is true that really matters. People like, oh… I don’t know…scientists!
Hell, even hack scientists are not usually given to publicly stating that “It don’t matter” regarding the particular subject of scientific inquiry that they have spent a lifetime engaging in.
Seems a rather peculiar an argument to make…even if it were true.
My wife heard the same NPR interview and was flabbergasted by the unscientific babble.
The money line from Trenberth was at the end of the aricle: And the warming trend may be accelerating even more. The calendar year 2014 was the warmest on record, and Trenberth says the past 12 months – mid-year to mid-year — have been even warmer than that.
Once again, it’s even worse than we thought.
Why and how do these asshats keep getting airtime?
Hi jimmaine. Just a clarification. The NPR broadcast you heard yesterday did mention buoys,
http://www.npr.org/2015/06/04/411998275/scientists-cast-doubt-on-an-apparent-hiatus-in-global-warming
…but they are not ARGO floats. The buoys used for sea surface temperature measurements are called drifters. See:
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dac/index.php
Cheers.
Trenberth? You mean the-missing-heat-is-in-the-deep- oceans-it’s- a- travesty Trenberth?
That Trenberth?
Yes…that very one.
Dbstealey
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This year is 2015
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Your graphs data ends in 2012
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Got recent data?
J. Jackson,
You complained because that data ended in 2007. You said, ‘Got more recent data?’
So I posted data up to 2013. That’s the most recent I ARGO data. Maybe it can be extended to 2014, I don’t know. In any case, you lost that argument.
But like any alarmist with no facts or evidence, you simply moved the goal posts again:
‘Got recent data’?
Go away, you’re just being a pest.
You can get more recent data here: http://www.argodatamgt.org/Access-to-data/Argo-data-selection
….
Note the “start” and “end” dates for data is today.
Mr Jackson may like to try downloading the Argo data himself. I can get no data beyond the end of 2014.
“Paris is a coming,
And so are the lies,
No warming pause,
Now there’s a surprise!
The weather recorded
Doesn’t fit with the plan;
Adjust temperature records,
Keep blaming man….
Read more: http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/no-warming-pause-now-theres-a-surprise/
I love Paris for the cocktails.
I love Paris, go to shows.
I love Paris, son et lumiere dressed up models,
So ever froth seeks fame.
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As always Monckton informative and entertaining. Most interesting the exchange in the hallowed halls of congress.
He shifted from one well-padded butt-cheek to the other.
You shouldn’t be so hard on Comrade Karl. He’s been losing a lot of weight. The problem was in the data. He used two different scales. Although neither showed any decreasing trend, a simple adjustment of the data to weight one scale (that showed a lower weight) higher than the other scale over time has now shown a decreasing trend. In a couple of years he should look fit as a fiddle.
or he could have put the left foot on one scale, the right foot on the other scale and averaged the readings he observed in the result of each scale, thus achieving incredible shrinkage
Good one Rhee, reminds me of the saying “if you put one hand in a bucket of ice and the other in a bucket of boiling water, on the average you’ll be quite comfortable” 🙂
Thanks, Christopher. Once again, it looked like you had fun writing this.
Cheers.
Spukhafte, not spukhäfte.
Not in Niedersachsen
You need to put a smiley face if you want to be funny 😉
Perhaps you mean Niedersächsen… 🙂
Let us go with what Einstein said.
Mr Svalgaard misses the elephant in the room, as usual.
But, apparently not the Monkey.
I really enjoy your writing, Viscount, but I’m from Lower Saxony and these days we speak High German, so it’s “spukhafte”; I do not know of old Lower Saxon dialects that write it as “spukhäfte” – but, there was no Lower Saxony before 1945 anyway as it is an artificial construct; formed from the lands of Hannover and Braunschweig and some more. That being said, in past centuries orthography was not in any way regulated so before say 1870 you find all kinds of variants. So maybe Leibniz, who lived in Hannover, wrote it that way, but I wouldn’t take that as normative.
…even though, for a quote, it’s of course just fine to use it the way you did…
Some of Lord M’s thermodynamic arguments here are rather weak. The sea surface could warm if less heat gets lost to the deep ocean via mixing (e.g. if wind speeds drop), and you’d have to deal with energy rather than temperature, so I’d say there is no obvious inconsistency between the surface and deep ocean data.
The air temperatures are much more of a problem for Karl, since air heat comes mainly from the surface, a warming surface must cause a warming (and more humid) atmosphere.
The matter is quite simple. If neither the ocean immediately below the thin surface layer nor the lower troposphere above the thin surface layer is warming at even a fifth of the rate claimed for the surface layer, then elementary thermodynamics requires an explanation of where the heat is coming from and why it is not affecting either the surface layer of the ocean or the lower troposphere. No such explanation consistent with known climatic phenomena is likely to comply with the laws of thermodynamics.
You can’t compare temperature rates of things with different heat capacities. A tiny temperature change of the deep ocean involves much more heat than a “large” temperature change of the sea surface.
Water vapour changes would be worth looking at, to see if there has been a significant change in the last 15 years.
Specific heat capacity has nothing to do with it. It is only temperature differences that matter. Suppose you had a ham sandwich where the top layer of bread was at 15 C and the ham was at 15 C and the bottom layer of bread was at 15 C. But then, the bottom layer of bread was replaced with a whole ocean at 16 C. It does not matter if the whole ocean had 1000 times the specific heat capacity of the top layer of bread, the ham should not warm to more than 16 C.
The lower 1900 meters of ocean is a heat sink that takes a lot of time to catch up with surface warming. The lower troposphere, as measured by the satellites used by UAH and RSS, have a slight majority of the air mass being sampled (even with factoring for density) above 2 km above sea level. A radiosonde trend posted by Dr. Roy Spencer, Figure 7 in indicates the surface-adjacent part of the lower troposphere having a lower warming trend than the lower troposphere as a whole. I attribute this to surface albedo feedback in high northern latitudes, not only to sea ice, but also to reduction of springtime (more-sun-irradiated) snow cover which mostly exists in the northern hemisphere. Snow-covered land often has low lapse rate in the lowest kilometer or two above it, and removal of the snow tends to increase the lapse rate in the lower half of the lower troposphere there. There has been a trend of decrease of northern hemisphere snow coverage facing the sun due to NH snow coverage decreasing in springtime.
I noticed a typo that I did: I incorrectly said that the surface-adjacent lower troposphere has had a lesser warming trend than the lower troposphere as a whole, with attribution to a graphic by Dr. Roy Spencer. What I intended to say is that the surface-adjacent lower troposphere has had a greater warming trend than the lower troposphere as a whole, according to the Spencer graphic.
Over the short-term, it’s possible. Over longer timespans, however, Brenchley is undoubtedly correct.
Eventually their lies founder on some kind of inconsistency. As they go on in this manner, they run the danger of being found in contempt of Congress.
The Argo floats operate down to ~1,900m below surface, which is less than half the average depth of all oceans, the deepest point being ~10,900m below surface. Are there any Argo floats in the Arctic Ocean?
Drawing conclusions from incomplete data is unscientific; widely disseminating such ill-conceived conclusions is fraudulent, at best.
If that’s true then purporting to predict the climate 100 years hence based on unvalidated computer models must be a capital crime.
It certainly should be a crime. If you said you had a computer model which could predict the future stockmarket, horse racing results, football games, etc. most sensible people would laugh at you and the gullible would complain bitterly after they lost, and have you chucked into prison. In climate science, you get rewarded with billions in government grants. Go figure!
And where is the past SIX MONTHS of OCO 2 data? After only one report spanning two ( or one and a half?) months in 2014, there has not been another report from this supposedly highly accurate, state of the art CO2 satellite. WHY? Is NASA inept and it doesn’t work? Does the data coming back prove something they don’t want anyone to see before they “adjust” it? Where is the data?
I’ve been wondering the exact same thing. I thought the next release was supposed to be in April.
June 19 or so:
http://disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCO-2/data-holdings
So, according to the link, NASA is inept and the d#$@ur momisugly thing hasn’t worked since the first report came out that proved CO2 is not a well mixed gas? How odd!
A full year of observations before November in Paris. If we’re good, I mean if the gases are good, we’ll know about it. Otherwise, hmmmm.
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Well, it’s nice that the riddle is finally solved. That missing heat Trenberth’s been looking for, and that they tried to tickle out of the deep ocean, has finally, finally been found. It’s in Tom Karl’s brain.
I got hold of the paper in question at the University today, and, though I dread spending my time on these mind-numbing description of data torture, I have now read the darned thing and here are a few of my thoughts. I apologize in advance if I am just repeating what others have said in earlier threads–I have been avoiding this issue in favor of other pursuits.
I am suspect of the statistics of the temperature measurements in the first place. I have some experience with making precision temperature measurements and calibration and it is darned difficult to make measurements to a precision of 0.05C. Most people will greatly over-estimate precision and thus greatly under-estimate uncertainty. Moreover, almost no one does a reasonable effort at quantifying sources of bias and the magnitude of bias.One of my perennial complaints about the statistics derived from these exercises is that the calculations themselves are predicated upon identically distributed and independent measurements, but no one ever demonstrates that these requirements hold true. In general I think the error bars meant to illustrate uncertainty in these data sets do no such thing. Nevertheless, let’s assume that the box plots from figure 1 accurately represent the statistics of these measurements. What do we note?
First, the “new” and improved measurements and adjustments during the period identified as “hiatus”, shown by the little square and its 90% confidence interval (CI), still include the 0.0 value, just as the original data did (the little circle and its CI). This is true for the global total data, the oceanic data, and the land data. The way that the authors express the changes the new adjustment wrought make the results seem spectacular, but the actual illustrations of data, considering the CI, do not.
Second, we are treated once again to adjustments that just happen to go in the direction needed to get observations to agree with theoretical expectations. They don’t actually meet theoretical expectations of course, but who knows what new adjustments these fellows will think of next. It is more than a little suspicious to have adjustments so accommodating. Some time ago I analyzed USHCN adjustments, many designed by Karl and his co-workers and found they overwhelmingly increase warming and warming rates, and I swear some of the adjustments are made out of order and will have the effect of biasing data in the direction needed. Thus, the closer I look at the adjustment process the less confidence I have that it reduces bias and makes uncertainty smaller than it behaves the other way around.
Third, I am not much impressed by classical inferential statistics and the associated “p” values and confidence intervals. It leads to fallacious argumentation at times. I think we could come up with likelihood arguments and measures that would do a far better job of describing the evidentiary value of this data and its adjustments, and would not be subject to the logical fallacies I worry lurk in this exercise.
+1
What is horribly hard to watch is the way the media pick this crap up. You know from the first time you read it you will hear it parroted as gospel on NPR within the week. They need to just cut to the chase and come up with an “Emperor of All known Climate Science” position in the gov’t.
Wanted: “Grand Czar Climate Science and Settled Science Grand Puba”
Must be able to roll eyes expressively when actual climate data is presented.
Must look like Einstein and wear robe and mortar board at all times. Owl on shoulder a plus.
Send application to NOAA. Salary commensurate with ability to BS public.
Well not so much in the Weekend Australian newspaper this Saturday June 6 2015. The article is by Graham Lloyd on page 18 Inquirer section. The headline:
“There could be a cool change ahead, but let’s pretend the pause in warming isn’t real.”
The article quotes various scientists. Notably David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation: He ends with “ the authors have produced adjustments that are at odds with all other surface temperature datasets, as well as those compiled via satellite” “They do not include any data from the Argo array that is the world’s best coherent dataset on oceanic temperatures.”
Tim Osborn professor of climate science at the University of East Anglia says he would caution against dismissing the slowdown in surface warming. “ There are other datasets that still support a slowdown over recent period of time ….and patterns of cooling in large parts of the Pacific Ocean…”
John Christy-University of Alabama: “Its impossible, as a scientist, to look at this graph [graph presented to the US House of Representatives committee on natural resources] and not rage at the destruction of science that is being wreaked by the inability of climatologists to look us in the eye and say perhaps the three most important words in life: we were wrong”.
Of course our dear friend Mr Matthew England from the Australian Research Council’s Centre of Excellence [that word again] for Climate System Science has waded in with “There is nothing new in this paper and nothing surprises me”. “ The bottom line is that multiple datasets and multiple lines of evidence have shown that global warming hasn’t stalled at all”. How many backflips is this character capable of executing?
You know, fortunately, I learned how to read a thermometer correctly in a grade school. Since then it is growing increasingly obvious to me that many so-called “scientists” have either flunked that lesson, and need a refresher course, or, worse yet, given away their temperature data responsibility to others who have purposely mislead them.
Let’s please not take up dragon slayer arguments! The temperature of a gas is a measure of translational motion only and is a woefully incomplete measure of internal energy of a gas (w/ GHG’s).
The Second Law Rules
—Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1927) p74
The Second Law: An Introduction to Classical and Statistical Thermodynamics Henry Bent Oxford University Press, 1965
Thanks for the perspective, among other things. Part of me thinks this paper just might get quietly retracted, probably some time after Paris.
Temperature ¬= Heat
… for starters… Plus the EMR discussions above… And more… Trust me, thermodynamics is quite safe, Monckton of Brenchley’s ravings notwithstanding…
What a howler of a post! Complete scientifically-illiterate nonsense.
Monckton sneaks a Sky Dragon guest post past a credulous Watts.
Bravo. Slow clap, clap, clap.
To understand the relationship between ocean temperature and ocean heat content, read Willis Eschenbach’s characteristically excellent posts on the subject.
The head posting depends for its force solely Om comparing the slow or non-existent warming rates of the lower troposphere and the upper ocean with the many times larger surface warming rate posited by Tom Karl. It is Mr Karl who does not understand thermodynamics.
And what has any of this to do with the mad notions of those who do not recognise the existence of the greenhouse effect when it has been measured?
Which article.
if it was his article on radiating the oceans, then I consider that to be amongst the worst he has posted. He uses circular reasoning to support his argument; he uses the gross energy flow and then argues that the oceans must be receiving and being warmed by DWLWIR since if that is taken away from one side of the equation, the oceans would freeze. If he were to use the net energy flow, the oceans are in energy balance and would not freeze because gross DWLWIR forms no part of the equation.
He arges that land and oceans are the same, notwithstanding that the oceans are very different since they are free to evaporate. He completely fails to address the problems that arise if the oceans are absorbing DWLWIR and that that energy is sensible energy having the capacity to perform real work in the environment in which it finds itself.
The problem is that some 60% of DWLWIR is abssorbed in about 3 MICRONS, and if the K & T energy budget cartoon is correct, DWLWIR is almost double the energy of Solar. This presents a fundamental problem since 60% of DWLWIR possess about the same energy as Solar and yet it is absorbed in a volume of just 3 MICRONS depth whereas Solar is absorbed over a volume extending over many metres, ie., million times greater.
It is fortunate for us that Solar is absorbed over a substantial volume, some penetrates to about 100 metres but the bulk is absorbed in the top few metres. This allows the oceans to absorb this energy and gently warm. If the absorption characteristics of Solar was the same as LWIR, the oceans would have boiled off (from the top down) long agao and would be in the atmosphere.
However, the bulk of DWLWIR is all concentrated in just a few MICRONS, and unless that energy can be sequestered to depth (thereby being diluted by volume) at a rate faster than the rate that that energy would drive evaporation, all that DWLWIR can do is power evaporation.
I have not yet seen anyone put forward a mechanism by which DWLWIR can be sequester to depth at speed.
Ocean over turning apperas to be a diurnal phenomena and is a slow mechanical process.
Mixing by way of wind and waves is a slow mechanical process, and what about weather conditions of say BF3 and less when there is little in the way of wind and waves? These conditions are encountered much of the time since the average wind conditions over the oceans has been assessed as being just over BF4, so it follows that conditions of say BF2 must be commonplace.
It cannot be by conduction since the very surface (top few MICRONS) is cooler than the bulk ocean say frm 1mm and below such that the energy flux is upward and conduction cannot work/swim against the direction of energy flux (in a comment above, I have posted a plot of the ocean temperature profile).
In the parper on radiating the oceans, none of these issues are explored. The position of DWLWIR over land and oceans is fundamentally different since the oceans are a selective surface largely opaque to LWIR and in any event they are free to evaporate if energised, and of course do evaporate 9this is why the very surface is at a lower temperature than the bulk of 1mm and below).
I do not know what DWLWIR does, but certainly there are fundamental issues raised when considering the inter action with the oceans,
@ur momisugly richard verney
A most excellent and cogent response to the silliness of the post in question.
I think they would argue that the warming doesn’t have to come from below or above, since it could be carried by radiation that passed through the latter and did not reach the former.
Of course this behavior contradicts all their models but they seem not to care about that.
But then the layers above and below should subsequently heat up through simple convection.
Not necessarily, if the temperature is higher because the lapse rate has changed. Consider some volume, now erect a greenhouse around it. It gets hotter, but with the new equilibrium the areas above and below it may actually get colder.
Again, this is not consistent with the models.
They’ve never allowed physics to get in their way in the past so why start now? The paper is so bad that even Rick Grimes is in a tizzy.
A comparison of solar heating of the oceans and troposphere must consider total energy, not the thermodynamics property of temperature. The oceans have a much greater mass and heat capacity, which must be considered.
The ineluctable consequence of the ocean heat capacity’s being 2-3 orders of magnitude greater than that of the lower troposphere is that the latter must be the same temperature as the former. And so, within the measurement, coverage and bias uncertainties, it is. And that is precisely why Karl’s warming rate is a thermodynamic impossibility.
I read this bit…
Have Mr Karl, and the peerless peer-reviewers of Science who ought surely to have spotted this huge error, inadvertently repealed the laws of thermodynamics?
….and after a bit of looking found this which he might find helpful.
James Bull
I must try harder when putting in links to other things!!!!
James Bull
One point of clarification if you could please LMoB. “If the heat isn’t coming from above or below, where is it coming from” is a valid question. Would there be any possible “lag time” that could keep the laws of thermodynamics happy?
Thanks
No, a lag would not help. The surface comprises the meeting point of the upper ocean and the lower troposphere. It’s temperature cannot be very substantially higher than either,and certainly not for a decade and more.
Thanks. I wasn’t sure about transit time for heat from when it leaves the ocean and how long it would take to make it to the lower troposphere so I thought I’d ask.
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/proof-of-the-earth-wobble?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A835572&page=4#comments
Great post Lord Monckton of Brenchley!
Some additional points to consider:
Willis Eschenbach did a quick review of the “Argo And Ocean Heat Content” back in 2014 and a follow up review this past January 2015, “Learning From The Argonauts”.
Willis observed;
Willis also compares the Argo data against the CERES data.
A simple summation is that only a certain part and depth of the oceans is warming; the rest of the oceans are cooling.
Anthony also has a post about ocean heat from October 2014, <a href=http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/06/the-heat-went-to-the-oceans-excuse-and-trenberths-missing-heat-is-awol-deep-ocean-has-not-warmed-since-2005/"The “heat went to the oceans” excuse and Trenberth’s missing heat is AWOL – deep ocean has not warmed since 2005"
Another missed closure… my bad.
“Anthony also has a post about ocean heat from October 2014, “The “heat went to the oceans” excuse and Trenberth’s missing heat is AWOL – deep ocean has not warmed since 2005”