Duelling Doctors – Contradictory Climate reports from Medics

wind-turbine[1]Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Two contradictory medical press releases have been issued within days of each other, concerning the impact of climate change on health.

According to The Australian, German Doctors have demanded for a moratorium on building wind turbines, because of concern about the dangers infrasound poses to human health.

The “parliament” of Germany’s medical profession has called on its leaders to support a halt to further wind farm developments near housing until more research has been undertaken into the possible health impacts of low-frequency noise from wind turbines.

The issue was debated at the German Medical Assembly in Frankfurt on Friday and transferred to the executive board of the German Medical Association.

Association policy adviser Adrian Alexander Jakel confirmed a motion calling for ­research had been forwarded to the board “for further action”.

Read more: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/german-doctors-push-to-halt-building-of-wind-turbines/story-e6frg8y6-1227361974184

On almost the same day, a medical climate advocacy group in Australia has demanded more action to address climate change, because of the alleged danger climate change poses to human health.

GPs and specialists need to train and prepare for the “inevitable increase” in childhood sickness and pressure on health services linked to climate change, leading epidemiologist Professor Fiona Stanley says.

A new report on child health and climate change, released by Doctors for the Environment Australia (DEA), warns that Australia’s federal and state governments must take immediate steps to curtail rising global temperatures or risk an increased burden of disease, particularly for children.

The report, No Time for Games: Children’s Health and Climate Change, presents key research findings that predict a frightening future for children and the healthcare system.

Read more: http://dea.org.au/news/article/grim-future-for-children-global-warming-report

Who to believe – a group of Australian doctors basing their concerns and call to action on climate model fantasies, or a group of German doctors concerned about the effects of wind turbine trauma, about the impact of infrasound pollution on real people who live adjacent to turbine installations?

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Twobob
June 2, 2015 12:44 am

I believe the French did some research on low frequency sound.
Way back in the 1960’s.They wanted to use it as a weapon.
It was first notice when there were people complaining about head aches, from
the beat frequency from diesel generator’s , first noted by the medical profession.

steverichards1984
June 2, 2015 12:55 am

Germans have history with ‘sound weapons’ so should have a head start with this research…

MarkW
Reply to  steverichards1984
June 2, 2015 3:47 pm

The MythBusters did an episode on the “brown note”.

luvthefacts
June 2, 2015 1:38 am

Astounding!!! I never realised the risk that I was taking when I moved from Sydney to Hervey Bay in Queensland where the climate is about 5c warmer (at a guess). Gee, I have just realised that I’ve just acclimatised myself for even the extremes of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming of 4c, assuming I live until I’m 150 years old.
I just hope my Solar Panels last that long, might make the investment worthwhile after all.

Walt D.
June 2, 2015 3:12 am

Here is an example of what happens in the real world as opposed to climate model virtual reality or Hollywood movies. This is actual data from California for 1st May 2015.
http://content.caiso.com/green/renewrpt/20150501_DailyRenewablesWatch.pdf
On this day there is very little wind. Wind my be free, but it only produces power when it blows. If you want to see how volatile wind production is, download the entire data time series. You will see just how volatile and unreliable alternative intermittent energy is. And ,to top it off, the cost to the consumer, even though some idiot said that wind was free, is sky high.
While I’m on my rant, I lived in Montreal for a year – the low temperature was below -40 in the winter and as high as 36C (98F) in the summer. I was also in Tucson Arizona when the temperature was 115F.. I survived with no ill effects as did everyone else who did not die from old age or natural causes.
Temperature increases of 0.01C per year,, 0.1C per decade or 1.1C per century are almost too small to be measured. Claims that they will produce all these hyperbolic catastrophic effects are not grounded in reality.

Terry - somerset
June 2, 2015 3:59 am

The basic proposition seems to be that any change produces adverse consequences, irrespective of whether you are attached to a warmist or denial agenda. A series of one sided arguments making it impossible to strike a balanced view.
Whether the noise from wind farms is a greater or lesser threat than increased CO2 emissions is unclear.
What may be of rather more use would be some consideration of what might represent a stable optimum global climate – not a fantasy climate but globally consistent with physical processes. The assumption that the status quo represents some sort of optimum from which all departures are seen as negative impacts is fundamentally flawed.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Terry - somerset
June 2, 2015 4:58 am

You have your balance sheet all wrong. There is no evidence of any threat from increased CO2, but plenty of evidence of benefit in the form of increased plant growth. Wind farms don’t provide any benefit, since there are other, far more useful, and way less expensive ways of generating electricity, and they have a number of environmental, and very possibly human health-related drawbacks.

sergeiMK
June 2, 2015 4:43 am

windmills are amazing medical catastrophe machines. Here are just some of the medical conditions they cause
1.Accelerated aging “My wife and I have aged over five years in the past two years” Source
2.Aggression in children Source
3.”Air quality damage”: “… the proposed wind farm would ruin the pristine beauty of the area, damage air quality and increase noise levels.” Source
4.Allergies Source
5.Anaemia Source
6.Anger: Source
7.Angina Pectoris Source
8.Anxiety Source
9.Atherosclerosis Source
10.Asbergers syndrome worsens Source
11.Asthma, exacerbation of Source
12.Arthritis exacerbated Source
13.Autism worsens Source
14.”Aversive learning” Source
15.Balance disturbance (falling off horses): “She has been exposed to operating turbines there for a couple of years, she now can’t even train her horses because her balance is so bad and she just falls off.” Source
16.Bats lungs, exploding Source
17.Bleeding ears Source
18.Blood loss Source
19.Blurred vision Source
20.Bowel cancer Source
21.Bowels,”loss of” Source
22.Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor (decreased) Source
23.”Brain pathology” Source
24.Brain tumours Source
25.Breast pain: Source
26.Bruxism (teeth grinding) Source
27.Cancer Source
28.Cardiovascular disease Source
29.Cardiac arrhythmias Source
30.Cardiac valve surgery, risk of “with all the risks entailed. The alternative is early death from cardiac failure.” Source
31.Cataracts Source
32.Chemtrails (“We are being attacked from the sky with Chemtrails and from the ground with Wind Turbines.” Source
33.Cattle, spontaneous abortions (caused by “stray or tingle voltage”) Source
34.Cattle: reduced calving percentages Source
35.Cattle: decreased weight gain Source
36.Cats producing small, unhealthy litters or dying (caused by “stray or tingle voltage”) Source
37.Chest pain Source
38.Chest pain “like needles” Source
39.Chest, heaviness in Source
40.Chickens hatching with crossed beaks Source
41.Chickens: stop laying eggs Source
42.Chickens: eggs “most had NO yolk and the shells were like jelly”
Source 1
Source 2
Editor: Somebody has forgotten to warn this Tasmanian poultry farmer about this problem – he has a windturbine on his land!! Source 3
43.Childhood behavioural problems Source
44.Children’s “cardiovascular systems” affected Source
45.Cold sores (herpes) Source
46.Colon cancer Source
47.Concentration, difficulties maintaining Source
48.Confusion Source
49.Cows (dairy) shocked through milking machines (because of “stray or tingle voltage”) Source
50.”cows are dying” going down, pretty much lifeless … 19 died or had to be put down, I lost 30 calves so far.” Source
51.Crickets disappear Source
52.Crying Source
53.Dental infections: Source
54.Depression Source
55.Deaths, yes, many deaths “These extensive studies report numerous serious illnesses and, yes, many deaths, mainly from unusual cancers. Source
56.Diabetes Source
57.Diabetes, blood glucose increases Source
58.Diabetes type 1 Source
59.Diarrhoea Source
60.Disrupted relationships Source
61.Dizziness Source
62.Dogs: ignoring owners, climbing between couch pillows, wall-staring “When they did venture outside, they wouldn’t listen when you called; they just kept wandering on and on. The other weird thing we noticed is that one of his dogs would try to squeeze itself between the lounge cushions to sleep, and the other dog would climb under the bed in the corner. Or they would sit for hours, staring at the wall.” Source
63.Dogs: loss of muscle tone, paws over ears, gnawing on pebbles then death. “Also our pet dog went from a vibrant healthy dog to dying in a short amount of time she started losing muscle tone lying in front of heater with paws over ears and gnawing on pebbles” Source
64.Dogs refusing to work: “Recently, Hamilton Vetcare has had to examine dogs, normally active and keen to work, that have become sullen and reluctant to leave their kennel after nearby windfarms became active. Farmers report working dogs once highly motivated and responsive, becoming disinterested and refusing to work, especially when winds are coming from the direction of the windfarm.” Source
65.Dreams, violent and disturbing Source
66.Drinking problems (alcohol) Source
67.Dry retching Source
68.Earthworms leave the soil near wind turbines “seagulls no longer follow the plough in areas near wind turbines. It has been suggested that the seagulls have learned that the worms have all been driven away and that in that area the farmer’s plough will not bring breakfast to the surface. They must go elsewhere for their food.” Suggestion is this effect might be as wide as 18km radius from a turbine Source
69.Ear pain Source
70.Ears, buzzing in Source
71.Ears, popping Source
72.Epilepsy (developing late in life) Source
73.Exacerbations of chronic disease (e.g. fibromyalgia, scleroderma, diabetes, hyperthyroidism) Source
74.Excess collagen Source
75.Exhaustion Source
76.Eye pain Source
77.Eyes, burst blood vessels Source
78.Eyes, sunken Source
79.Eyes, “like you have sand in them” Source
80.Eye discharge, eye irritability Source
81.Fatigue, extreme Source
82.Falls and equilibrium problems Source
83.Feet, sores “that would not heal until you moved out of your home” Source
84.Fever Source
85.Fibromyalgia, exacerbation of Source
86.Gastrointestinal upsets & indigestion Source
87.Glasses, need to change prescription after not having needed change for 2 years Source
88.Goats, unexplained mass deaths “In New Zealand, 400 goats dropped dead.” Source
89.Hair, loss of and turning grey Source
90.Headache Source
91.Hearing loss Source
92.Heart attacks (including Tako Tsubo episodes) Source
93.Heartbeat, fluttering Source
94.Hemorrhaging around heart (death) in cattle, caused by “stray voltage” Source
95.Hippocampus (decreased size of) Source
96.”Hips vibrating (fairly frequently)” Transcript of talk by Sarah Laurie “No Sunbury Windfarm” 23 Nov 2010
97.Horses “exhibiting behavior and handling issues” (because of “stray or tingling voltage”) Source
98.Horses develop “boxy” or club feet Source (at 1hr 15m45s)
99.Heart palpitrations (sic) Source
100.”Heightened emotions” Source
101.Hyperacusis Source
102.Hypersensitivity to noise Source
103.Hypertension – acute crises; new onset Source
104.Hyperthryoidism Source
105.Illusory movement Source
106.Immune deficiency diseases, major increase in: Source
107.Inability to conceive Source
108.Inflammatory bowel disease: Source
109.Internal pulsation or quivering Source
110.Irritability and “general grumpiness” Transcript of talk by Sarah Laurie “No Sunbury Windfarm” 23 Nov 2010
111.Itching Source
112.Joint and muscle pain Source
113.Kidney damage Source
114.Laboured breathing and a pounding chest Source
115.Learning ability, memory, language development in children Source
116.Leukaemia (paediatric): Source
117.Lighting, sensitivity to high-frequency lighting at local stores Source
118.Loss of energy Source
119.Lung cancer Source
120.Lung ciliary factor disturbance Source
121.Lupus, exacerbation of Source
122.Lymphoma (paediatric) Source
123.Lymph nodes (problems with) Source
124.Malformations in chickens, cattle – no eyeballs or tails, cows holding pregnancy only 1 to 2 weeks and then aborting, blood from nostrils, black and white hair coats turning brown, mastitis, kidney and liver failure Source
125.Memory loss (irreversible) Source
126.Memory loss (short term) Source
127.Meniere’s disease Source
128.Mental arithmetic, specific problems with (observed in adults as well) Source
129.Migraine headache Source
130.Motion sickness. Transcript of talk by Sarah Laurie “No Sunbury Windfarm” 23 Nov 2010
131.Mouth ulcers Source
132.Multiple menstrual periods (4-5) per month Source
133.Muscle tone (loss of) Source
134.Muscle twitches Source
135.Multiple sclerosis Source
136.Motion sickness Source
137.Nausea Source
138.Nerve pain & tingling Source
139.Nerve problems Source
140.Nerves, twitching (between upper lip and nose) Source
141.Night terrors “2?5 times per night in young children” Source
142.Nosebleeds Source
143.Nose ulcers (won’t heal) Source
144.”Nonconvulsive mental defects” Source
145.Non-Hodgkins lymphoma Source
146.Oppositional cranky behavior “a completely different kid for a few months” source
147.Pain “pain in and around the eyes, pain on top of the head, pain in the back of the head, behind the ears and early this year, we started to get throbbing pain at the back of the head” Source
148.Palpitations Source
149.Panic, need to flee Source
150.Paralysis Source
151.Peacocks: relationship problems: “my peahen refused to remain with the peacock.” Source
152.Perforated eardrum Source
153.Pericardial thickening Source
154.Personality change: Source
155.Pets: losing hair (but not when away from the home) Source
156.Pets, sore ears (but not when away from the home) Source
157.Piglets: higher mortality rates (because of “stray or tingle voltage”) Source
158.Poor appetite Source
159.Poor concentration and memory Source
160.Poor wound healing Source
161.Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, worsening of (“I witnessed his decline, with his worsening irritability, anger, drinking, and severe depression, and he again became difficult to live with.” Source
162.Prayer, problems with in monks Source
163.”Pseudo-mania” Source
164.Psychological stress (at not having symptoms attributed to wind turbines acknowledged) Source
165.Rage attacks Source
166.Reading difficulties Source
167.scleroderma, exacerbations of Source
168.Scratching (frantic) “scratched at his ears until they bled” Source
169.Self-confidence, loss of Source
170.Sheep: “…very sensitive to noise and to disturbance. This will impact their ability to go where they’re used to going” Source
171.Sheep, wool quality affected Source
172.Sheep: birth defects Source
173.Sheep (and cows) agitated “will leave their offspring in fits of panic” Source
174.Sheep (lambs) – “perforated ulcers of stomach and intestines” Source
175.Sick Building Syndrome Source
176.Sinus tightening (“experienced a tightening of my sinus and dull thud in my head”) Charlie Arnott Source
177.Sinusitis, chronic Source
178.Skin cancer (“basal cell cancer”) (“The cables were buried near us. Out house was a living microwave oven from dirty electricity… I have been diagnosed with Basal Cell Cancer from the very areas that started bleeding when we were on (sic) our toxic house.” [Source: leaked email, Ontraio wind farm opponents 12 June 2012]
179.Skin, “sensation of skin crawling or being bitten by bugs” Source
180.Skull, electromagnetic spasms: Source
181.Sleep, babies wake at night [Ed. All who have had children will recognise this as a very rare condition] “Baby at 9 months is getting up, up to four times a night” Source
182.Sleep disturbance (waking up in the middle of the night in a panic state) “It’s like a fleet of planes continually over my house,” Source
183.Sleeping alone (fear of in children) Source
184.Speech problems Source
185.Speech, disrupted development Source
186.Staring blankly Source
187.Stomach “issues” Source
188.Stomach ulcers Source
189.Stomach acid (“battery”) “She says her vision is blurred, she is losing sleep and feels as if her stomach has battery acid in it.” Source
190.Stress & irritability Source
191.Stroke Source
192.Stroke, being “taken to the brink of” Source
193.Suicidal ideation Source
194.Suicide, major increase in: Source
195.Sweating at night Source
196.Symptoms, indescribable (“some indescribable symptoms”) Source
197.Tachycardia Source
198.Throat infections Source
199.Thyroid metabolism, disorders of Source
200.Tinnitus Source
201.Toilet frequency (nights) greatly increased; Sarah Laurie: “just about everybody … every five or ten minutes needing to go to the toilet.” (Ed: Let’s assume people went to bed at 11pm and woke at 7am, that’s 8 hours: toilet frequency = 6 to 12 times an hour — 48 to 96 times a night!!!) Source
202.Tranquilizer use, large: “15 Valium tablets a day” (Ed: recommended Valium dose is 2-10mg 4 times daily – so this person is taking nearly 4x the recommended dose. Benzodiazepine dependence is common see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_dependence. Source
203.Transient ischemic attacks Source
204.Tree-roosting bats: Late?Summer Mating Readiness and Early Sexual Maturation (in those found dead near wind turbines) Source
205.Triglycerides, elevated Source
206.Unsteadiness Source
207.Uterine blood haemorrhaging Source
208.Vertigo Source
209.Vibrations in “body systems and cavities” Source 1 and Source 2
210.”Vibroacoustic disease” Source
211.Violent crime, major increase in: Source
212.Visceral Vibratory Vestibular Distrubance (sic) (VWD) (“rapid heartbeat, nausea, internal quivering or pulsation, and more.” Source
213.Visual blurring Source
214.Vomiting up blood Source
215.Waking up suddenly “in a panicked anxious frightened state, night after night, and often a number of times a night” (children) . Source
216.Water contamination (groundwater) Source
217.Watery eyes Source
218.Weight gain Source
219.Weight loss Source
220.Whale migration affected Source
221.”Wind Turbine Syndrome” Source
222.Yawning Source
http://ramblingsdc.net/windsymptoms.html

phlogiston
Reply to  sergeiMK
June 2, 2015 10:28 am

Sergei
In terms of catastrophigenesis, windmills may be impressive but can’t be compared with global warming itself, a hugely more fecund source of every imaginable disaster.
The latest catastrophe, perhaps direst of all, is that global warming has caused global warming to stop.

kim
Reply to  sergeiMK
June 2, 2015 12:14 pm

Heh, your sparse list is probably the tip of the iceberg. It doesn’t even explore the Plant Kingdom, and all its agonies.
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Greg Woods
June 2, 2015 4:51 am

When the wind don’t blow,
The bulbs don’t glow.

Graham
June 2, 2015 6:48 am

Fiona Stanley is not the only Aussie medico to blather about stuff in her field of ignorance. Aussie Medical Association president Brian “Howler” Owler weighed in with an alarmist rant at the end of April that included this loopy baloney:
“…doctors were already seeing the effects of climate change.
The heatwaves that we’ve experienced, particularly in some of the more southern climates such as Melbourne … we have already seen deaths occurring in our public hospitals from people, particularly those who are vulnerable in our community.
[That’s] the elderly, the young, those that are sick, those that don’t speak English as their first language.”

DD More
Reply to  Graham
June 2, 2015 4:25 pm

those that don’t speak English as their first language.
Those Chinese, Spanish and Arabic guys better get to learning English or the magic CO2 gas will get them. By the way, do I have to learn Aussie English, British English, Irish English, Southern English, Texas English and all the other dialects too?

highflight56433
June 2, 2015 8:13 am

“Who to believe – a group of Australian doctors basing their concerns and call to action on climate model fantasies, or a group of German doctors concerned about the effects of wind turbine trauma, about the impact of infrasound pollution on real people who live adjacent to turbine installations?”
Maybe take a look at the numbers of millions who perished during the little ice age compared to the medievil warm persiod. ….knock knock…anybody home?

Bruce Cobb
June 2, 2015 9:38 am

The Australian doctors received their “greenie” orders, but the German ones apparently didn’t. Guess that makes them “Doctors without Orders”.

June 2, 2015 12:00 pm

Onshore wind farms seem to be harmful for humans (and not only….), while the offshore wind parks create different kind of trouble, including the effect of stirring and warming the water, thus influencing the climate, as shown here: http://www.warchangesclimate.com/images/short/k-.pdf. Those wind farms may seem to be green energy, but the costs (not only financial) seem to be too big.

Bernie
June 2, 2015 12:36 pm

Like calling out all condensation towers as examples of carbon pollution, don’t you think? Rather poor form.
Sure, many HATE green subsides, but seriously … vote.

jmorpuss
June 2, 2015 2:57 pm

“Today Schumann resonances are recorded at many separate research stations around the world. The sensors used to measure Schumann resonances typically consist of two horizontal magnetic inductive coils for measuring the north-south and east-west components of the magnetic field, and a vertical electric dipole antenna for measuring the vertical component of the electric field. A typical passband of the instruments is 3–100 Hz. The Schumann resonance electric field amplitude (~300 microvolts per meter) is much smaller than the static fair-weather electric field (~150 V/m) in the atmosphere. Similarly, the amplitude of the Schumann resonance magnetic field (~1 picotesla) is many orders of magnitude smaller than the Earth’s magnetic field (~30–50 microteslas).[21] Specialized receivers and antennas are needed to detect and record Schumann resonances. The electric component is commonly measured with a ball antenna, suggested by Ogawa et al., in 1966,[22] connected to a high-impedance amplifier. The magnetic induction coils typically consist of tens- to hundreds-of-thousands of turns of wire wound around a core of very high magnetic permeability.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
Earth’s frequency similar to DNA frequency. http://www.researchgate.net/post/Earth_frequency_similar_to_DNA_frequency

jmorpuss
June 2, 2015 3:29 pm

WHO (world health organisation) Like many governing bodies are as corrupt as FIFA .
Chronic illness is the best economic road for the medical industry to take.
“A group of scientists and doctors in Freiburger, Germany, presented evidence at a conference in 2002 of “a dramatic rise in severe and chronic diseases among our patients” exposed to RF/MW. These included extreme fluctuations in blood pressure, heart attacks and strokes in increasingly younger people, degenerative brain diseases such as Alzheimer’s and epilepsy, leukaemia and brain tumours. They also found a rise in headaches, sleeplessness, tinnitus and other ailments that were able to be correlated with the onset of exposure to communications microwaves.” http://www.ecolibria.com.au/Resources/electromagnetic-radiation-emr-and-potential-adverse-health-affects
http://www.mastsanity.org/health-52/research/213-the-cell-phone-and-the-cell-the-role-of-calcium.html

Karen
June 2, 2015 4:24 pm

Oh gawd… I can’t believe the space wasted here in regards to to Nick stating that that wind is free…….
I would say that all buried energy deposits are owned by someone/governments/bankers/investors, no one here can just wander into these places and grab these fuels for their immediate use, let alone without paying for them.
As far I know anybody can throw up a small wind turbine or solar panel and no one charges them for the energy that they harvest, actually the only time that this energy costs anything is when somebody buy’s it off them !!!
Nick’s statement that the wind is free was accurate, all you other mugs have tried to twist and distort that statement into something else….. why ? maybe because you all don’t own your own wind generator 🙂

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Karen
June 2, 2015 5:48 pm

Karen

Nick’s statement that the wind is free was accurate, all you other mugs have tried to twist and distort that statement into something else….. why ? maybe because you all don’t own your own wind generator 🙂

Yes, the wind is free. Until trapped by the scenery-ugly destruction of thousands of miles of wind turbines. It’s the trapping that is expensive. And the distribution even more wasteful of time, resources, and materials. Torn from the earth solely so you can feel good about yourself – at taxpayer expense.
So why are no wind turbines anywhere economically self-sufficient without OUR (taxpayer) forced money being thrown into it for the benefit of the Big Government’s self-selected cronies and political supporters?

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:02 pm

“So why are no wind turbines anywhere economically self-sufficient ” </b
Wind has been harnessed economically for a long time.
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Good for pumping water
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http://www.windmills.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/windmill_and_wood_tank.jpg

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Joel D. Jackson
June 2, 2015 6:09 pm

And, in every case, immediately replaced by electric power as soon as it became available.
If no electric power? Yeppers – The open plains were so desperate for ANY power that their windmills drove belt-driven water pumps, bellows, milling machines, grinders, and sharpeners. And were replaced as soon as cables came nearby.

Good for pumping water

Rather, modestly good for ONLY pumping water .. from very shallow (50 -150 foot) water wells that could randomly and irregularly drop variable amounts of water into open cattle tanks. Beyond that? Nope.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:14 pm

RACook is correct. Oxen and horses were used to plow fields, too — until something much better came along.
Same with windmills.
I can see solar eventually becoming self-sufficient, as technology improves. But windmills? No. They will never be as good as fossil-fuel powered electricity.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:14 pm

Good luck replacing 10% of the power in Texas
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http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=20051

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:16 pm

Robert,
I don’t think ^this guy^ has the capacity to understand your simple and straightforward argument.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:27 pm

Dbstealy

There never were any subsidies from the government to install water pumping wind turbines.

So, in effect the most cost effective method of pumping water where they were installed was…..wind power.

Isn’t the “free market” wonderful?

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:28 pm

j jackson,
You really don’t understand what he was telling you?
Amazing.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:31 pm

Dbstealey
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You can still purchase a wind turbine today for pumping water
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http://www.ironmanwindmill.com/
No government subsidy required.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 6:36 pm

JDJ:
You still don’t understand. Maybe you can’t understand.

kim
Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 9:28 pm

Some fools build ponds.
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kim
Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 10:40 pm

Watering cattle, summer and winter, is a serious, often heart-breaking, business. My heart bleeds for Jackson’s pitiable understandings.
And staves? My great-grandmother hauled logs from the forest in the winter with her cooper father, ‘cuz the snow cut the friction enough to enable the task. They may have had the help of mules or horses. I dunno, oral tradition fails in this detail.
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kim
Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 2, 2015 10:56 pm

Joel, my fran, the Wichita Lineman is still on the line.
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kim
Reply to  Karen
June 2, 2015 11:15 pm

Karen, I throw up a little windmill in my mouth.
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Old Ranga
June 3, 2015 1:50 am

The real problem is us – the consumers. We’re irresponsible to demand instant power at the flick of a switch (sarc). We should patiently accept long blackout periods just as our parents and grandparents did (more sarc). Candle light is more flattering as well and what it leads to is more fun (big smile). Mind you, the birthrate tends to rise 9 months later, but what the hell.

RossCO
June 3, 2015 2:13 am

GPs and specialists need to train and prepare for the “inevitable increase” in childhood sickness and pressure on health services linked to climate change scares and scams
Fixed it for you!