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OK the markstoval, I will reply not to you, but to the people to whom you were communicating when you said “after all, the Roman Catholic Church has almost always been wrong in matters of science”.
Markstoval is uninformed. He does not know that:
1) modern science was invented by catholic monk, Roger Bacon and his method was documented in his Opus Majus. ~1220 AD.
2) Modern genetics was invented Gregor Mendel, another catholic monk,
3) Copernicus, a catholic cleric documented the heliocentric universe in about 1542, with the blessing of Pope Paul III
4) The big bang was invented by Fr Georges Henri LeMaitre, PhD, a belgian catholic priest and physicist.
(the “atheist” scientific community has tried to conceal their dismissal of Lemaitre for 90 years, but the facts are known now. The “atheist” cosmologists were hardly objective… they were down right anti-catholic… and wrong.)
the list goes on…
Here is an abridged wiki version…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric-scientists
Now you know that Markstoval is uniformed on this matter, and a little hostile about it, so on other matters, he may suffer bias, hostility and unscientific, opinion as well. For future reference.

Crispin,
Al Gerbra, Al Jazeera, Al Qaeda Al Capone….. all criminals!
Sorry to bore you with the canned diatribe….It is like NOBODY has ever read anything. Gregor Mendel… really in this day and age? People don’t know who Gregor Mendel was?
The wiseacre dim wits really stand out though

Paul Westhaver whined:
“OK the markstoval, I will reply not to you, but to the people to whom you were communicating when you said “after all, the Roman Catholic Church has almost always been wrong in matters of science”.
“Markstoval is uninformed. He does not know that: …”
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Interesting to see that you think you know what I am aware of and what I am not aware of. Besides believing in a magical being, you are a mind reader also; or claim to be one. And yet with all your magical powers you can’t read for understanding. Typical of the fanatics like yourself.
The Church once governed Europe in effect. At that time the monasteries allowed men to work in thoughts much like the US government today gives grants to practice climate “science”. This allowed for some to move us forward. So? Do you have the mistaken idea that Bacon ran the church?
The fact that some scientists who believe in a “God” have done good science is not an answer to what I wrote. If your logic skills were any good you would know that. (probably you do, and are being disingenuous)
The RC Church has taken few official positions on scientific matters. Almost all were wrong. For example, the official position of the Church was that the universe revolved around the earth. Are you going to defend that position? The Pope has no business involving the church in scientific matters. The Church has far more important issues to address and this will be a debacle. I have made a testable prediction.

Amen!
It is a shame that this myth of religion vs. science seems to still be present, even in more rational sites.
One has only to look at the number of global universities initiated by religious organizations :
http://mste.illinois.edu/courses/ci407su02/students/ssilic/Famous_Universities.htm
The list does not include the much longer list of monastic & other learning institutions at lower levels that brought learning, including the production of written material, that helped spread ideas across nations.

Gary Hladik says: “So Paul, you’re saying the Church was FOR heliocentrism before it was AGAINST it before it was FOR it”
YEEEP! Well sort of but close enough.
You see, the scientific community never talked about it after Roger Bacon (a monk) invented science in ~1267 AD or before 1400s. Nobody talked about Nuclear Power before the atom was understood.
Once Copernicus set it out in 1542, his friends in the Church though nothing of it. for 70 years except that it really got under the skin of the 1550-ish scientists at the time who nearly all still thought the earth-centric model was valid. You see the Church accepted it but in the face of the contemporary scientific firestorm they didn’t want to advance it as the “correct theory” because they didn’t know for sure. Galileo read it, wrote to Kepler about it, and told Kepler that he didn’t want to come out of the closet as a Copernican because he’d look the fool, amongst his fellow scientists. Eventually, Galileo got over his reservations and published some works in 1622 (and others), at the encouragement of Cardinal Maffeo Barberini, who became Pope in 1623. Urna VIII. In 1616 the Copernican book was banned due to errors in 9 sentences which were fixed and the book was unbanned in 1622.
In 1633 the second trial took place and Galileo referenced Copernicus, which was accepted, and restated the Copernican model after having published it in the vernacular c/w some theological implications about Joshua. Galileo’s second trail was less about science and more about contract law. He promised not to contradict Scripture and he did so, invoking Copernicus in the process.
So the tribunal asked him if he could prove the sun was fixed and that the planets orbited the sun in a circular path and he could not prove it. He admitted that. They now had a bigger problem. Most of the scholars were already Copernicans and they were relying on Galileo to prove it and he could not. So they shelved and condemned Copernicus’ book (NOT BANNED) and told Galileo to shut up.
So in relation to heliocentricity they 1) never thought about it, 2) accepted it from Copernicus but were afraid to mention it because of the literalists in the protestant reformation, 3) accepted it again after revision, then 4) ruled it as unproven by way of the second Galileo trial.
So Galileo shot too soon and too weak. And p1ssed off his benefactors in the process.
Pope Gregory the great changed the calender by decree in 1582 with the advice of Christoph Clavis, a Jesuit and mathematician and astronomer. FYI
The Popes relied on the scientists! Galileo let them down, and threw Copernicus under the bus with himself.