Remember the poor – a visual epistle to the Pope

Josh writes: I don’t think this cartoon needs any words but many thanks to Cumbrian Lad for an inspiring post  over on the BishopHill blog.

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Matt Ridley’s excellent article on Electricity for Africa is also worth reading – let’s hope Pope Francis reads it.

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marque2
April 29, 2015 12:05 pm

It is not about the poor. The poor are just lip service. The Catholic church gets tons of money from governments for charitable social services and skims quite a bit off the top to pay for church necessities. The church isn’t doing well financially otherwise. It also got quite the scare with Obamacare, potentially losing this gravy train over abortion.
So what the Pope is doing is trying to get on these governments’ good side, by supporting the Global Warming doctrine. That way the Church feels it will still be able to get the billions of dollars of financing from various governments around the world, who want to tax us for our carbon.

Resourceguy
Reply to  marque2
April 29, 2015 1:08 pm

Correct

Antonia
Reply to  marque2
April 29, 2015 2:40 pm

I doubt it. Wait and see.

Chris
Reply to  marque2
April 29, 2015 9:39 pm

@marque2 said “That way the Church feels it will still be able to get the billions of dollars of financing from various governments around the world, who want to tax us for our carbon.”
Specifically how would the Church benefit from a carbon tax should it be implemented?

marque2
Reply to  Chris
April 30, 2015 7:33 pm

The church won’t get more money specifically from the carbon tax, but it is less likely the government will stop funding, because the church is trying to show they support government doctrine. Like I said, it was quite an shock when Catholic social services nearly lost funding over the Abortion/birth control stance.
And companies do the same thing, especiallybwhen they are heavily regulated by government. Why does your power company send you a bill every month with a letter about green garbage?

Alba
Reply to  marque2
April 30, 2015 4:10 am

It is not about the poor. The poor are just lip service. The Catholic church gets tons of money from governments for charitable social services and skims quite a bit off the top to pay for church necessities.
And your evidence for that is?
This is just yet another example of how people who don’t like the Catholic Church invent criticisms because it’s so much easier to criticise by inventing criticisms than by finding actual ones.

marque2
Reply to  Alba
April 30, 2015 7:38 pm

Nothing to do with Church hate. Just stating the obvious. Businesses do the exact same thing when they are reliant on government, or fear the government. They do green projects, green advertising, green giveaways, and green slogans -like “Beyond Petroleum”. Why would an oil company do any of this? Why do power companies send you garbage about being green every month.
You might want to open your eyes a bit before casting aspersions.

Tom J
April 29, 2015 12:06 pm

There is a very important principle at work here. And, it has to do with love. Love is almost universally misunderstood. And, the love exhibited by religions is even more misunderstood. Religions simply do not love poor people. Repeat: Religions do not love poor people. What religions love is poverty.
I am very prepared to defend that.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Tom J
April 29, 2015 12:17 pm

Hi, Tom,
I think I get what you’re saying. The “religious” (people) have often provided proof for your assertion. I’d like to offer this clarification. It is cults that love keeping people in poverty. Judiasm, Christianity, and other religions when accurately followed are clearly for free markets, personal liberty, and the truth that makes that all possible. It is those who twist a religion’s teachings, i.e., cults, which “love” poor people, e.g., Jim Jones’ “church.”
Hope all is well,
Janice
**************************************
GREAT CARTOON, JOSH — powerfully accurate point.

Tom J
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 29, 2015 12:37 pm

Hi Janice. I don’t have any numbers to verify this but I’d bet that the number of Jewish people who live in poverty is probably quite similar to other religions. But, it’s also undeniable that quite a few professional and renowned people hark from that faith. And, it doesn’t seem to me that the Jewish faith preaches the supposed joys of poverty, need, and destitution. Could that be why it’s probably one of the most maligned religion in history?
As for me, I’m an agnostic.
Hope all is well with you.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 29, 2015 1:10 pm

Thanks for responding, Tom.
I understand you, I think, and yet… I must add, that I think that the tenets of traditional Judiasm or of “mere Christianity” are not what you have a problem with. Nowhere does Scripture advocate living a life of poverty except for exceptional individual cases (such as the “rich young ruler” told by Jesus to sell all he had and follow him). Nor does it laud the joys of poverty, etc… that is error taught by cults, sub-groups of “mere Christianity.”
Remember, too, re: your agnosticism, a relationship with your Higher Power (via Jesus) is not a matter of knowledge alone. It is faith working WITH reason.
Take care,
Janice

MRW
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 29, 2015 8:39 pm

Just so you have the right definition, Janice, “neoliberal economics” believes in free markets, laissez-faire government–these latter two terms from a macroeconomic point-of-view are like taking the steering wheel off your Ferrari and hoping it will get you where you want to go–and personal liberty, as opposed to an emphasis on liberty for all members of society or the common weal.
Investopedia explains that the use of the term “liberal” in economics is different from its use in politics. Neoliberal economics also wants all federal government finance regulations removed (produced the housing bubble), the privatization of the public domain, and believes in smaller government as opposed to a government that’s sized for a growing population of the people, by the people, and for the people. Size restriction trumps necessity and function. (Federal government employment now equals 1956 or 1966, depending on who you listen to.)
Neoliberal economics was introduced by Milton Friedman in the 70s, who insisted that the Fed should run the economy with monetary policy, as opposed to Congress doing fiscal policy. It ended a long period of industrial capitalism with unrestricted outsourcing, and produced finance capitalism (what we have today with 40% of GDP, euphemistically called the 1%).
The middle class (1945-1973) was not built with neoliberal economics. Middle class wages have not kept pace with the rest of the economy since 1980, according to the St Louis Fed’s FRED databases. And as the Bureau of Labor Statistics April 23, 2015 report showed, one in five US families now have no jobs in the family, which the BLS defines as “a group of two or more persons residing together who are
related by birth, marriage, or adoption.”

more soylent green!
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 30, 2015 11:26 am

@MRW,
Neoliberal economics didn’t cause the housing bubble — government intervention into the mortgage business caused the bubble. Laws set by Congress and regulations by the Clinton and Bush administrations required lenders to make loans to people who didn’t qualify for mortgages otherwise. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ensured the banks they had no risk of their own money.
If neoliberal economics had been in place, the banks wouldn’t have made these loans. The guarantee of a bailout and threats of being sued by the Feds if they didn’t make those loans created the predictable bubble in equally predictable bust.

zemlik
Reply to  Tom J
April 29, 2015 12:17 pm

don’t be daft, How can a religion love ? You are confusing people with some sort of instruction on how to behave.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  zemlik
April 29, 2015 5:28 pm

Okay, can’t help myself, got to ask, what planet are you from again?

Reply to  Tom J
April 29, 2015 12:53 pm

Ah… the ‘love and fear’ line…
I watched Donny Darko too.
I’m sorry, but no, love is too broad a brush to use as a defining ‘reason’ for nearly anything.

zemlik
Reply to  unknown502756
April 29, 2015 1:08 pm

well, for example if you think evolution is true, you have to ask why would one thing want to reproduce with another thing ? what could be the mechanism to encourage that behaviour?

Tom J
Reply to  unknown502756
April 29, 2015 1:31 pm

Zemlik,
I dunno’ but how ’bout long hair, long legs, a nice figure, and fragrant perfumes, or, from a different perspective how ’bout bulging biceps, wash board stomachs, tight a…., and fragrant colognes?

zemlik
Reply to  unknown502756
April 29, 2015 2:51 pm

yes, yes Tom I possess all those attributes 🙂 yet I was thinking of more primitive organisms, bugs and small cellular things. What gets them excited.

auto
Reply to  unknown502756
April 29, 2015 3:02 pm

Or simply the ‘pleasure’ of the orgasm?
Auto
PS – I include much non-human reproduction, a bit of that being pre-human, relating to our earliest ancestors.
With the drive, maybe you had descendants.
Without it – you didn’t. Full stop.
Adaptability of said descendants is another question.
But if you have no descendant – the future is truncated – very severely so!
Auto revisiting [but not getting the Donny Darko bit. Too old, maybe? ME – not Donny D. I think . . . .]

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  unknown502756
April 29, 2015 5:34 pm

Do you learn all your philosophy from pop culture?

Reply to  unknown502756
April 29, 2015 6:39 pm

@ Zemlik…you say that you possess all of the attributes described by Tom. Perhaps, you might want to rethink what you are implying with that assertion. I have an image of long flowing hair, bulging biceps, a nice figure, long legs, washboard abs, and fragrant perfumes and colognes. That is quite a picture.

George Devries Klein, PhD, PG, FGSA
Reply to  Tom J
April 29, 2015 2:53 pm

If readers ever visit Mexico, Venezuela or Brazil and see the hillside “Favella’s,” this statement rings true.

Jan Christoffersen
Reply to  Tom J
April 29, 2015 4:28 pm

Tom,
I agree. I worked a lot in Latin America, where Catholicism and poverty prevail. Many ordinary folk who become more affluent through better-paying employment tend to … er … succumb to temptation and lapse from the faith. Poor folk have little more than the church for solace.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Tom J
April 29, 2015 11:07 pm

Mother Teresa loved poverty is what you are saying. Defend that.
I’m not even religious but I know BS when I smell it.

Tom J
Reply to  ironargonaut
April 30, 2015 1:47 pm

Are you aware of Mother Theresa’s dealings with Charles Keating? Moreover, while Mother Theresa claimed to wish to die in the squalid clinics she operated in Calcutta, when reality met words she chose for herself state of the art clinics in California and Italy. Nope, it was poverty that she loved. Her clinics for the dying were atrocious.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom J
April 30, 2015 11:03 am

BS on steroids.

Latitude
April 29, 2015 12:06 pm

but they can harness the power of bat wings……and that’s green

Reply to  Latitude
April 29, 2015 12:46 pm

Here’s a suggestion for Anthony: consider segregating (word chosen intentionally) all the abusive comments into a separate forum. That will offer an outlet for those who want to mimic Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals #5–“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.” In such a quarantined area they can call others stupid, morons and similar contentless pejoratives to their hearts content, as opposed to providing reasoned argumentation.
The people who have agendas unrelated to climate change–for example attacking religious beliefs–can go there too. And people whose beliefs are attacked can duke it out with them without cluttering up intelligent and civil discussions of issues more central to climate change in the primary forum.
I suspect that a lot of the warmists are happy to see WUWT discussions degenerate into mudslinging matches, because that damages the overall credibility of the content. And attacks on people’s cherished beliefs could discourage support from some who might otherwise be receptive to the skeptical position on climate change. I wouldn’t be surprised if warmists were deliberately contributing to the degradation of the discussions for those reasons.
[Reply: Anthony cannot possibly read every comment; no one can, there are just too many. To be sure he sees suggestions such as yours, post it in Tips & Notes. ~mod.]

zemlik
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
April 29, 2015 1:28 pm

If that is directed towards my “don’t be daft” comment I thought I explained within my post but sorry to perturb.

Latitude
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
April 29, 2015 1:33 pm

so you don’t get the cartoon

Dave Worley
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
April 29, 2015 6:03 pm

Ridicule works both ways. It works very well with AGW conformists.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
April 29, 2015 10:40 pm

Ralph seems upset. It’s understandable, if in the same bag are a) personal faith and b) those organizing it for others. As I see it, this discussion is about the latter, which is crowded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_leadership_roles.

zemlik
April 29, 2015 12:11 pm

It’s not bad but if it is meant to be a shadow of Africa then I think the pope needs to have a darker tint.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  zemlik
April 29, 2015 12:19 pm

No, Zemlik, you have to understand, the Pope is above that – and everything else. [sigh]

Louis
April 29, 2015 12:20 pm

“I don’t think this cartoon needs any words”
I think it does need words because I don’t get it. If it’s a cartoon, what is the punch line? What does the cartoon have to do with the poor? And why would the Pope be writing an “epistle to the Pope”? Can someone explain what I’m missing here?

Louis
Reply to  Louis
April 29, 2015 12:23 pm

Oh, the shadow is Africa. I didn’t notice that. I should have refreshed to see the rest of the comments before I commented.

zemlik
Reply to  Louis
April 29, 2015 12:26 pm

I think the point of the cartoon is that the Pope should be aware ( shadow over him ) of the poor Africans who could use some efficient method of power supply rather than be conned by the climate change arguments.

marque2
Reply to  zemlik
April 29, 2015 12:58 pm

Poor African Christians could use a bit of support for preventing people of other religions from wantonly slaughtering them. But the rest of the world closes a blind eye. Pope just preaches peace while they get slaughtered.

Doug S
April 29, 2015 12:25 pm

I like the things that have been written and reported about this Pope. I’m not a Catholic so my ignorance on papal matters is natural but the guy seems to be a well grounded individual.
I place the responsibility of good science education and advice squarely at the feet of the men and women of science that are paid by governments to perform a high level service. Science has become a prostitute but redemption is always available with admission of wrong doing. I would urge the science prostitutes to confess their misdeeds. The path ahead can be bright but only with complete honesty and a demonstration of true love for science and human understanding.
The Pope, like most of the masses of people living on the planet, may have not had the supreme privilege of studying and enjoying science. For those of us that were so fortunate, it is our individual responsibility to spread the truth about the physical world around us. We need to be honest with people and say, we don’t really know how the climate operates but here’s what we do know and here are areas where our knowledge falls short.

Paul Westhaver
Reply to  Doug S
April 29, 2015 12:31 pm

Doug, Pope Francis got a BSc in Chemistry before he went into holy orders. [face in palms] he really should know better. He is just following the “science” from the IPCC. If ever there was a time for the Church to IGNORE Science, it is now.

Alberta Slim
Reply to  Paul Westhaver
April 29, 2015 1:28 pm

If the Pope has a BSc in Chemistry, why would he not know that CO2 is a harmless, odorless, colorless gas that is plant food. More CO2 increase crop yields.
And also, CO2 is a radiative gas that expands and rises when heated. It does not “trap” heat like a “blanket”, or back-radiate to further warm the earth.
A blanket is a solid. all gasses expand and rise when heated.
Try this:
1. Comparing 200ppm to 400ppm CO2.
Roughly speaking, 200 extra parts per million CO2 has to absorb enough energy to raise the other 999800 parts per million of the atmosphere by 1°C, very roughly from15°C to 16°C which is approximately about a 5 watts per square meter change.
200 is 1/5000 of 1 million therefore 200 parts of CO2 has to absorb 5,000 times the energy to raise the temperature of the other 999800 parts.
To raise 1 square meter of atmosphere by 5 watts, CO2 would have to absorb 25000 watts?
Totally absurd is it not?

Reply to  Paul Westhaver
April 29, 2015 1:40 pm

Actually, I think he’s following the Millennials. He’s attempting to show that the Church is still ‘relevant’ and accepts ‘science’ – in order to try to re-fill the pews and the Church coffers.
If you look at voting trends in the USA, you will clearly notice that the ‘Catholic Vote’ is nearly always strongly in favor of the liberal democrat candidate. The Catholic Church is simply following a rather predictable pattern and certainly will begin immediately teaching CAGW nonsense in all her schools. They have already done so in my area. The local Catholic schools have a significantly stronger support for CAGW than the local public schools — this may surprise many, but it is nonetheless true. To be a Catholic in the USA generally means to be pro-abortion [quietly though], vote Democrat and vote often, and have a strong sense of human centric ideals even when those ideals are unsupported by factual evidence.

jolly farmer
Reply to  Doug S
April 29, 2015 2:27 pm

Wise words that the likes of Richard Betts and Tamsin Edwards would be wise to heed. I suspect that their comfortable lifestyles and the need to pay heed to what is necessary to continue to live high off the hog will continue to rule them.
You use the word “prostitute” for these “scientists”. Yet I suspect that most prostitutes are more honest.

Bruce Cobb
April 29, 2015 12:30 pm

He appears to have lost sleep over this issue. Perhaps the skeptic team has gotten thru to him.

Resourceguy
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
April 29, 2015 1:35 pm

Maybe he caught the 97 percent consensus mistake too late and now has Encyclical Remorse.

Editor
April 29, 2015 12:41 pm

Or perhaps he’s lost sleep over the inherent goodness of conserving resources vs the desire to enable the African poor to have a better standard of living.

Reply to  Ric Werme
April 29, 2015 10:00 pm

How is conserving resources an inherent good?

cnxtim
April 29, 2015 12:42 pm

As a priority for expending any taxpayers funds for Africa and beyond, well in front of hypothetical AGW issues, we should add 1: Effluent Sanitation and 2: Clean Water supply since SCIENTIFIC STUDIES shows these two factors cause of 80% of the worlds ills.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  cnxtim
April 29, 2015 12:55 pm

…and that’s hard to do on solar and wind…

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  cnxtim
April 29, 2015 1:07 pm
Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
April 29, 2015 1:18 pm

By the way, when Africa has attained the affluence of present-day Asia, the population will have peaked and start a negative trend. Africa is by far the most urgent zone of environmental intervention (abatement of contaminants) as it can be utilized for food production should the climate become too cold to grow crops in much of the NH in a few decades.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
April 29, 2015 1:21 pm

that’s water contamination abatement specifically.

kim
Reply to  cnxtim
April 29, 2015 1:24 pm

Can’t say this often enough. Safe water and treated sewage is the main reason for the squaring of the survival curve as cultures develop. The difference is mostly in child mortality.
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Dawtgtomis
Reply to  kim
April 29, 2015 6:35 pm

But kim, the old folks (like me) live longer too. As one ages, there are potentially more years that one’s body is highly susceptible to bad sanitation than during early childhood. The “mostly” part is demographics of present age distribution.

Dawtgtomis
Reply to  kim
April 29, 2015 6:40 pm

Oops, I meant to say the demographics reflecting current age distribution among the living population.

Reply to  kim
April 29, 2015 8:59 pm

Thanks Kim. I worked most of my career in water and sewage treatment including figuring out appropriate solutions for low technology areas in Africa (and elsewhere). Appropriate systems have saved millions of lives since we recognized the need for safe drinking water and sanitation systems.
eg: http://www.plumbingcodearticles.com/pdf/Sanitation_Revolution.pdf

kim
Reply to  kim
April 30, 2015 2:31 am

Doubting Tom, yes, that is part of the squaring of the survival curve. Safe water helps all ages, but is particularly important for the young; they die quickly of diarrhea.
Wayne, it is amazing how much we take safe water for granted in the developed world. The childhood mortality is one of the reasons so many of the poor have many children; half die.
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Steve P
Reply to  kim
April 30, 2015 7:14 am

Yes, and education plays a significant role too. According to a program I saw on NHK World awhile back, vividly graphic signs are being posted along some African rivers to discourage the inhabitants from relieving themselves into the river.
In the US we do better, for the most part, but issues remain. We’ve largely cured people of relieving themselves in public – even that breaks down quickly when there’s no authority around – but we now have about 60 million dogs running around which are apparently free to drop poop anyplace they desire, and we have only about 50% confidence that the “dog guardians” (as they call them in Boulder) will clean up the filthy mess.

April 29, 2015 12:44 pm

Reblogged this on A Conservative Christian Man.
Interesting post.

Dawtgtomis
April 29, 2015 12:47 pm

We can only hope the Pope takes a good look at reality and says “to hell with this apocalyptic theory!”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
April 29, 2015 1:13 pm

lol and +1

Newsel
April 29, 2015 12:56 pm

One has to wonder at the willful ignorance of these so called “do-gooder”.
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/energy_resources_materials/powering_africa
In the middle of watching the testimony to the USHR10 Committee on Science, Space and Technology where they are taking testimony regarding the proposed EPA ruling on NOX and SO2. As is being pointed out, these new rules cannot be met even if there was a ZERO human contribution. A world gone mad.
“Powering Africa: There is a direct correlation between economic growth (and the reduction of poverty) and electricity supply. If sub-Saharan Africa is to fulfill its promise, it needs power—and lots of it.”
Note also that both India and China have used the middle finger to the Pope and the rest of his ilk. But then they are not RC and are no doubt happy to see their competitors hamstrung.
And for what?
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=10151
Time for the EPA to revert to their original remit: no more Rule making to a monitoring (State Overview) role only.
Also the question is being raised in committee regarding an overhaul of the CAA. I like where this is heading.

Barbara
Reply to  Newsel
April 29, 2015 2:30 pm

ClimateWorks Foundation, San Francisco, CA
Mobilizes Philanthropy and is an umbrella philanthropy organization.
Scroll down the list to: McKinsey & Company
http://www.climateworks.org/about-us/partners/research-partners
Has connections to the Energy Foundation, San Francisco, CA.

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
April 29, 2015 3:45 pm

Energy Foundation, San Francisco, CA
Scroll down to page bottom: Our Partners includes, ClimateWorks Foundation
http://www.ef.org
Follow the money?

April 29, 2015 1:02 pm

It is important the cartoon has a simple human spirit kind of message. The absence of religious symbols or garb allows it to be universal.
John

Joel O'Bryan
April 29, 2015 1:30 pm

The Vatican is just looking to get in on a cut of the $100Billion Climate Aid fund. Expression of fealty to this new faith of Climate Change is necessary.
For the Vatican, it is always about the money. They would be weighing in on this issue if there weren’t substantial amounts of money to be had. The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy for Sciences, an office led by Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, is an Argentine and a confidante of Pope Francis. Somewhere in that office undoubtedly is an agreement on some Climate Aid money for the Vatican and/or Catholic church development efforts. In some ways, this is not a bad thing, as the Catholic Church and its NGO charities do a far better job at outreach to poor nation’s than does nation-state actors directly. But the Vatican always demands an overhead cut for Rome.
I am not cynical in this regard. Just a realist, eyes-wide open, to the “how” the Catholic Church, and the Vatican in particular, have always operated.

Resourceguy
April 29, 2015 1:38 pm

Latin America will remain stuck just above Africa in regional benchmarks of development. Jeffrey Sachs will have plenty to arm wave over.

notfubar
April 29, 2015 1:44 pm

This pope has a socialist background. He’ll be fine with the other socialists’ (UN Climastrologers) plan for redistributing our wealth (carbon indulgences) to the poor in Africa (to be intercepted and squandered by some local dictator or terrorist group).

DirkH
Reply to  notfubar
April 29, 2015 2:57 pm

He also runs quite a bunch of windmills on Vatican owned land in Spain and Italy. (and other places).
Needs to keep the subsidies flowing.

April 29, 2015 2:25 pm

Great cartoon. Since there will continue to be lots of reference to religion as this process unfolds I personally think it would be useful for us to define the meme that is attempting to pin the tail of global warming in all things organic or inorganic on the global donkey as the cult of global warming/climate change.
That way we can elevate the discussion from metaphors that don’t really get at the point that religious or irreligious is not necessarily irrational. The cult of global warming works more like a tribal incantation leading right up to the sacrifice of innocents.

April 29, 2015 3:21 pm

Thanks, Josh. I hope the Pope will see and understand your excellent cartoon.

Justthinkin
April 29, 2015 3:45 pm

One simple question…why wasn’t the Vatican bombed into nothing during WW2?

tango
April 29, 2015 3:57 pm

God forgive him as he knows not what he is doing

rogerknights
April 29, 2015 4:33 pm

Maybe he’s angling for a Nobel prize.
(What a laugh if he gets one.)

April 29, 2015 5:23 pm

Good Heavens what sort of pope doesn’t believe that GOD ALMIGHTY controls the climate in every detail?

Scott
April 29, 2015 5:55 pm

You know, drawing cartoons of the Pope could get your Carbon Dioxide cut off!…..:-)

Jim G1
Reply to  Scott
April 29, 2015 9:19 pm

As Moses said to God upon receiving the Torah from Him, “Let me get this straight, You want us to cut the ends of our dicks off?”

whiten
Reply to  Jim G1
April 30, 2015 3:51 am

And the answer must have been:
“Yes indeed…[trimmed]
Cheers

whiten
Reply to  Jim G1
April 30, 2015 4:03 am

Mods, no hard feelings, but that was the punch point” 🙂
Half truths do not work.
From my point of view, stiffnecks” wold have being more appropriate.
Thanks anyway.

Theo Goodwin
April 29, 2015 8:29 pm

I seems to me that the Pope does not understand scientific method and is being misled by activist advisers. That alone is a bad thing. The Pope should not put his weight behind something that he does not understand. If you are not fully committed to scientific method and, therefore, a gold-plated skeptic, then you cannot engage in good science or discern the good science from the chaff.

tango
April 29, 2015 9:00 pm

I hope the Pope blessed South Australia because all this carbon has caused the coldest April in 60 years .http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sa-warming-up-after-coldest-april-in-half-century/285440

u.k.(us)
April 29, 2015 11:04 pm

Is there a name for the point in a Ponzi scheme when there are no dupes left to invest ?

April 29, 2015 11:49 pm

Matt Ridley’s article deserves wider circulation, not least inside the Vatican before it is too late to save il Papa from a serious error of judgement.

Gus
April 30, 2015 5:32 am

The Catholic Church–or any other church for this matter–has not business making pronouncements on science. It’s not within its domain of expertise.

AntonyIndia
April 30, 2015 5:48 am

The above is also true for 1.5 billion people in South Asia and many in Middle and South America. Why do these Green people want the poorest people to pay more for electricity than themselves?

April 30, 2015 7:06 am

The Catholic Church was the original intellectual bastion of the royal powers. Like today’s intellectuals who ingratiate themselves to power, the Catholic Church provided legitimacy to the crown for the claim of devine right to rule from God. The adherence to the current powers demand for the devine right to rule due to CO2 is only slightly different.

CD153
April 30, 2015 7:06 am

“Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man how to fish, and he eats for life”.
If His Holiness truly is a wealth re-distributionist socialist, the above quote is probably something he has yet to really understand.
In and of itself, poverty isn’t really the problem……it’s the SYMPTOM of a problem. The poor of Africa and elsewhere need the economic development and infrastructure that will enable them to meet their everyday human needs such as energy, food and water, sanitation, adequate shelter, etc. When one uses climate change alarmism as a pretext for global wealth redistribution (and maybe as a facade for caring about the planet), one merely addresses those symptoms of poverty rather than the cause or causes themselves.
The Third World’s poor will forever remain mired in poverty as long as there are people in the world such as His Holiness in positions of power and influence who still insist on thinking in wealth redistribution terms (using scientifically faulty climate change alarmism as a pretext) rather than economic development terms. The U.N. itself is also guilty of this. With environmentalists and their political allies in power blocking the path to fossil fuel power plant construction (and maybe nuke plant construction as well) in the Third World, the future is far from bright for the poor in those nations.
I don’t know….maybe the U.N. and the Vatican ARE involving themselves in economic development in the Third World. If so, they should concentrate more on this and less on wealth redistribution and forget about the scientifically faulty notion of alarming climate change as a pretext for it.
Meaningful environmental protection measures can only happen AFTER basic human needs can be met through economic development, not before them. Until this is well understood, both the poor and the environment in the Third World will continue to suffer.

Jim G1
Reply to  CD153
April 30, 2015 7:50 am

The cause of poverty is, in most cases, government. Irrespective of the philosophical base, government seems to eventually get into the hands of greedy power hungry folks who prey upon the people.

Jerry Howard
April 30, 2015 7:50 am

Perhaps before advocating global income redistribution, the pope should consider a current application of the theme of the movie, “Shoes of the Fisherman.” Sitting on a pile of church wealth amassed from the collection of “widow’s mites” over a millennium and a half while preaching income redistribution sounds a bit insincere.
Real global income equality (Gross World Product of appx. $75 trillion / population of 7.2 billion) yields a “fair share” income of about $10,500. Great step up for a beggar on the streets of Bangladesh, but not so good for even the poorest resident of the US.

Patrick
April 30, 2015 8:30 am

I agree with others who posted about water quality and treatment. If one travels from a typical western country auch as Australia, where we have enjoyed the benefits of electricity and water/waste treatment, to Africa there is strong advice given to not drink tap water, only, imported bottled water. Air (Open air fires for heating and cooking, low quality diesel/petrol and poorly maintained engines) and water quality is a real problem in Africa, especially, in the countries I have been to.

Gerry Shuller
April 30, 2015 9:44 am

Oh, joy. If three topics for the Know Nothings to belch wasn’t enough …

Lars P.
April 30, 2015 12:20 pm

Thank you Josh, brilliant! and thank you for linking to Matt’s post!

Allen
May 1, 2015 3:15 pm

Anthony, religion has no place on a blog that purports to be about science. It’s bad enough to see the tinfoil hats and zealots on threads devoted to science.

marque2
Reply to  Allen
May 2, 2015 6:53 am

But the Pope is now embracing “science” to get more public funds for the Church. I say fair game

May 3, 2015 4:00 am

My long-time friend Tom Harris just sent me his latest, well worth the read:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/catholic-church-fooled-by-un-on-climate-change/
Great article Tom.
The latest time the Catholic Church tried to control the climate, they did so by burning witches during the Little ice Age. It has been estimated that 40,000 to 50,000 innocent people were executed for witchcraft in Europe and the American colonies over several hundred years. This huge addition to the planet’s carbon footprint did little to alter the natural global cooling that destroyed crops and caused widespread starvation.
The latest climate control nonsense from the Vatican will be equally foolish, tragic and ineffective. As you state, the Vatican is condemning the third world to perpetual poverty and servitude through continued energy starvation.
I visited the Vatican in about 1995. As a protest against the Vatican’s climate heresy, I am tossing out all my souvenirs of that visit. I shall especially miss my favorite, my Pope-Soap-on-a Rope, that has lasted without attrition for two decades – a miracle!
Best wishes, Allan 🙂

May 3, 2015 4:02 am

Typo above:
“The LAST time”

May 3, 2015 4:15 am

Also a very good article by Matt Ridley – thank you.
http://rationaloptimist.com/blog/electricity-for-africa.aspx
Bjorn Lomborg is a luke-warmist and in that he is almost certainly incorrect – there is no global warming crisis.
Nevertheless, Lomborg is correct in his conclusion – that we need to fight poverty and energy starvation in Africa through the use of sensible energy solutions including fossil fuels – this is a much higher priority than green energy schemes, which are not green and provide little useful energy.

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