Cold weather: Snow on the beach, plus waterspouts near Los Angeles

Yes you read that headline correctly. Yesterday in Huntington Beach there was snow. And, in Redondo Beach, waterspouts were reported. I’m sure it won’t be long before somebody tries to blame these weather events on “global warming” which is fast becoming the “universal bogeyman” for any weather event.

snow-huntington-beachAnd in downtown:

Waterspouts:

These events were all part of a frontal system moving through, hardly unprecedented. It seems there was a similar event with snow on the beach in 1987.

Observers indicated the snow might be very fine hail, possibly from a cold core thunderstorm. Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with “global warming”.

 

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kim
March 3, 2015 4:16 am

That’s a beached Gore off in the distance.
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Alberta Slim
Reply to  kim
March 3, 2015 4:25 am

It couldn’t be Gore. Every time he lies on the beach, Environmentalists keep throwing him back into the sea.
;^D

Jimbo
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 7:12 am

A sure sign of global warming.

Mar 02, 2015
….central and northern New Mexico received a record-breaking snowfall Friday and Saturday with more expected throughout the weekend….
source

A sure sign of failure.

IPCC – Climate Change 2001:
Working Group II: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability
….Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms but could cause an increase in freezing rain if average daily temperatures fluctuate about the freezing point….
http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg2/569.htm
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http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/images/nhland_season1.png

More snow and freezing cold records smashed in the USA and Canada. Brrrrrrr.
http://iceagenow.info/
Lowest temperature ever recorded in Cuba during the entire month of February.
http://iceagenow.info/2015/03/record-temperature-cuba/

michael hart
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 8:55 am

Need to get a bigger beach.

Mick
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 2:32 pm

Yah but Jimbo, North America and Cuba and Antarctica, and the Middle East and Greece and Southern Italy are not the whole world. / sarc

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 5:04 pm
Brandon Gates
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 8:07 pm

dbstealey,

But… but… but Gates, I can cherry-pick, too. Better’n you:

Just because I try to NOT cherry-pick doesn’t mean I’m not good at it. Now, we could actually have a pretty interesting discussion about why the year-round NH anomaly plot …
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/images/anom_nhland.gif
… has a different long term linear regression trend than the winter NH absolute plot …
http://www.weathertrends360.com/Blog/Uploads/2014/12/nh-snow-cover.png
I’ll go first … oh hey look, when PDO is in cold phase apparently the NH gets a bit more snow. Mind boggling.

CodeTech
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 8:29 pm

Ever notice that some people just completely and totally miss the whole point?
Looks to me like a giant list of charts, ALL showing essentially the same thing, but the only one that “counts” doesn’t appear to show it. Brilliant. Of course, that seems to show the WELL KNOWN anomalous 60s and 70s era as if it was “normal”… yeah, the days when the in-thing for climate panic was the coming ice age.
My parents, who are approaching 80, recall those years as being far greater in snowfall than anything in their youth or today. Then again, what could they know? They only actually lived through the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s…

Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 8:33 pm

Gates,
You keep avoiding the elephant in the room:
Global warming stopped, and not just a few years ago. Which deconstructs the MMGW narrative.
And after this winter, I’m surprised anyone would want to discuss snow cover or global warming. But, to each his own…

asybot
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 3, 2015 10:15 pm

@ Alberta slim, “Environmentalists keep throwing him back into the sea.”
So that is where the sea-level rise comes from.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 4, 2015 5:19 pm

dbstealey,

Global warming stopped, and not just a few years ago.

Here the MET’s take on the surface:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/ihadcrut4_ns_avg.png
Christy and Spencer’s view of the lower troposphere:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itlt_gl.png
Same, land only:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itlt_land.png
Ibid, SST only:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itlt_sea.png
It’s difficult to see without doing a dreaded “overlay chart”, but one of those is trending a bit faster than the other. An honest, curious, intelligent truth-seeking skeptic would ask why. Such a person who truly possesses the barest inkling of physics would not find it at all difficult to believe that:
1) Ocean water has a far greater heat capacity than both atmosphere and land and
2) The oceans experience rather more rapid vertical circulations than the Earth’s crust.
And upon reviewing some other relevant evidence ….
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itemp2000_global.png
… would be therefore disposed to properly discern that the glaringly incomplete nature of your “global warming stopped” claim is very likely ignorant buffoonery of the absolute worst kind.

And after this winter, I’m surprised anyone would want to discuss snow cover or global warming.

Aside from Alaskans, Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans to rattle off a few from memory. For that matter, this winter at least, exile to Siberia might sound more like a good vacation to some cosmopolitan Russians.
I get it that such data points are lost on folks who confuse their backyard with the entire globe, or who claim to care about the rest of the world but give little more than just lip-service to the notion — however, as you say: to each his own.

Reply to  Alberta Slim
March 4, 2015 6:18 pm

It’s always amusing to get Gates to spin up like that.   ☺ 
Not that it matters, all he’s demonstrating is natural climate variability.

Harold
Reply to  kim
March 3, 2015 7:38 am

Uh-oh. Thar she blows.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Harold
March 3, 2015 7:43 am

Lots of gore in that video.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Barry
March 3, 2015 5:17 pm

And the pole itself. Plus NE Greenland, most of Scandanavia, a good portion of N. Europe … and who could miss that big warm anomaly over the East Siberian and Laptev Seas?
If it ain’t hot in my backyard, it ain’t hot.

asybot
Reply to  Barry
March 3, 2015 10:25 pm

ONE day? compared to 21 years? And compared to the last 18 years of flat lined global temp readings, you picked ONE day? Give it up Barry.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Barry
March 4, 2015 4:34 pm

asybot,

ONE day?

Well, that “snow” on the beach ain’t been there for months now has it.

compared to 21 years? And compared to the last 18 years of flat lined global temp readings, you picked ONE day?

Last I checked 21 barely over half of 40:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MW_NJp28Udc/VNS3EAEqpOI/AAAAAAAAAUs/hjhuLZFkdoM/s1600/hadcrut4%2Bhiatuses.png

Give it up Barry.

You were saying?

Reply to  Barry
March 4, 2015 7:11 pm

Barry,
Last I checked, the current natural warming step is the same as prior natural warming steps, as the planet continues to emerge from the LIA:
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/hadley/Hadley-global-temps-1850-2010-web.jpg
The alarmist crowd is clearly nuts, because they presume that the last warming step — although it is identical to previous *natural* warming steps — must be due to an entirely different cause: man-made global warming. As if.
That’s how out of touch with reality the climate alarmists are. They’re nuts.
Give it up, Barry. You are grasping at straws; your beliefs are irrational, your ‘evidence’ is cherry-picked nonsense, and Planet Earth is busy debunking your crazy belief system.

March 3, 2015 4:18 am

Weird. I sure hope this climate change doesn’t mean the Baywatch lifeguards will be wearing fur coats?

MichaelS
Reply to  Fernando Leanme
March 3, 2015 5:06 am

No, but it should be cold enough to raise a few points 😉

PiperPaul
Reply to  MichaelS
March 3, 2015 7:45 am

And cause shrinkage in the budgie-smuggler.

Bloke down the pub
March 3, 2015 4:20 am

Bet the skipper of the yacht was having a squeaky bum moment.

Tom in Florida
March 3, 2015 4:28 am

Just a reminder that Florida is full. Don’t come here.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 3, 2015 5:12 am

Sure, but I wonder if Max likes surfing the slurpees?

Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 3, 2015 7:58 am

I was just in Tampa last month, it was nice to be in just freezing weather and a 25 degree wind chill instead of the -18 and -25F wind chills back home! I will say Florida cold feels about 15 degrees colder than the same Michigan temperature for some reason.

RWturner
Reply to  Paul Jackson
March 3, 2015 8:42 am

You weren’t imagining things, you felt colder because of the high humidity which dampens your skin and clothing just slightly, but enough to conduct more heat away from your body. I first experienced this in Okinawa when I was caught off guard at how cold 40 F felt in the subtropics.

Alx
March 3, 2015 4:52 am

Of course it has nothing to do with “global warming”, since “global warming” is quickly becoming considered similar to mythological Gods and creatures.
Notwithstanding there is credible evidence that a spat between Zeus and Juno has been implicated in the California snow.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Alx
March 3, 2015 7:49 am

“Climate Change”! It MUST be called “Climate Change”! I INSIST you call it “Climate Change” (at least until summer; then we can switch back to “Global Warming”)!

heysuess
March 3, 2015 4:58 am

I definitely recall, from my early childhood in Pasadena, mid to late 1950’s, finding a layer of actual ice outside on some collected water. It may have been in one of my play sand buckets. 😉

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  heysuess
March 3, 2015 9:28 pm

I remember snow in Loma Linda California the winter of 1948-49. There was just a few inches – enough to make a snowman.

sully
March 3, 2015 5:02 am

Perhaps this is Natures opinion on mann-made global warming. Their religion is crumbling thanks to the few who stand unafraid.

Walt D.
March 3, 2015 5:05 am

There seems to be an interesting phenomenon here – “When people lie about global warming, the climate reacts in such a way as to maximize the ridiculousness of the claim”. This is something straight out of a Hollywood TV miniseries – truth is stranger than fiction. I suppose this saves a ski trip to Mammoth Mountain!

Patrick
March 3, 2015 5:06 am

Where is the “Hoff”, and that blonde person?

Reply to  Patrick
March 4, 2015 9:41 am

That blonde person is looking pretty rough these daze.

Marcos
March 3, 2015 5:21 am

I thought it was hail that looked like snow?

emsnews
March 3, 2015 5:21 am

So, now that it is snowing even in hot LA, will the NASA and NOAA ‘scientists’ living in California finally admit that it is trending towards colder weather?
Naw.

SAMURAI
March 3, 2015 5:27 am

The harder the almarist work, the “behinder” they get.
Absolutely nothing the alarmists have predicted has even come close to reflecting reality.
All they’re left with is developing new excuses for why their hypothesis doesn’t work, rather than accepting the obvious fact that their hypothesis is a bust.
More and more people are finally realizing the CAGW scaremongering has become a joke.

Editor
March 3, 2015 5:30 am

I found this in the KLOX “Area Forecast Discussion” dated 145 PM PST MON MAR 2 2015:

.SHORT TERM (TODAY-THU)…IT HAS BEEN ANOTHER ACTIVE DAY TODAY IN RESPECT TO SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS. THERE WERE REPORTS OF PEA SIZE TO 1/2″ HAIL REPORTED IN MANY LOCATIONS…BUT THE BIGGEST UNLOADING OF HAIL OCCURRED AT HUNTINGTON BEACH EARLIER THIS MORNING. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR LOS ANGELES AND VENTURA COUNTIES WILL BE EXTENDED UNTIL 7 AM TUESDAY MORNING…WHILE THE SAME ADVISORY FOR THE SANTA BARBARA COUNTY MOUNTAINS WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE AT 6 PM THIS EVENING.

Between 1015 and 1045 the air temp dropped from 55°F to 48°F with 0.18″ precip and a wind report up to 12G23. This is all consistent with a thunderstorm. Way too warm to have permitted snow to reach the ground, so definitely hail.
Data from http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=sgx&sid=C1521&num=72&raw=0

Reply to  Ric Werme
March 3, 2015 6:48 am

I thought “Ice Pellets” was the correct meteorological term for tiny hailstones.
{ The famous “Ice pellets” football game in Dallas comes to mind, Dolphins V. Cowboys. I think the Dolphins won.}

BFL
Reply to  RobRoy
March 3, 2015 9:41 am

In the US we used to call small ice pellets “sleet” and the large ones “hail”. However, locally, I haven’t heard the sleet term used as they usually just say “small hail”.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sleet
Also maybe of interest is the term “graupel”, which is a small snow pellet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graupel

asybot
Reply to  RobRoy
March 3, 2015 10:39 pm

@ BFL “sleet” as far as I know (an observer for the Gov 2 x a day for 20+ years) is more a mix of rain and wet snow, sometimes mixed with hail pellets and generally comes with high and gusty winds and drastic changes (lowering) in temperatures and as someone else mentioned associated with thunderstorms/ tornadoes/ flash floods etc. , generally formed in a squall, they don’t last very long but can be very destructive to farmers especially ( and of course houses, cars everything in their path) But you can fix a roof or a car but it is hard to put a peach back on a tree (until next year of course and then hope it does not happen again)

Reply to  Ric Werme
March 3, 2015 8:01 am

Yep, TSTMs. Temps were in the upper 40s, low 50s. Long Beach Airport (KLGB) reported the TSTM. John Wayne Airport (KSNA) reported the rain but not thunder. Cold core TSTM due mainly to secondary impulse instability. Cool pictures, nonetheless.
KLGB 021853Z 15004KT 10SM -RA FEW008 SCT022 OVC040 11/08 A2993 RMK AO2 TSB03E20 SLP135 VSBY S 2SM P0020 T01110083
KLGB 021825Z 19005KT 10SM -RA FEW008 SCT022 OVC040 10/08 A2993 RMK AO2 TSB03E20 VSBY S 2SM P0017 T01000078
KLGB 021807Z 25006G14KT 4SM +TSRA FEW022 BKN035 OVC045 11/08 A2995 RMK AO2 TSB03 P0005 T01110078
KLGB 021753Z COR 34008KT 10SM RA FEW008 SCT020 BKN055 OVC070 13/09 A2993 RMK AO2 RAB39 SLP136 P0000 60000 T01280089 10133 20094 53010
KSNA 021853Z 24008G18KT 2 1/2SM R20R/5000VP6000FT +RA BKN026 BKN046 OVC055 11/06 A2997 RMK AO2 RAB16 SLP150 P0014 T01060061
KSNA 021849Z 22013KT 2 1/2SM R20R/5000VP6000FT RA BKN026 BKN046 OVC055 11/07 A2997 RMK AO2 RAB16 PRESRR P0011
KSNA 021753Z 00000KT 10SM SCT025 BKN060 BKN110 15/07 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP135 T01500067 10156 20111 51010

ferdberple
March 3, 2015 5:36 am

this is exactly what the climate models predicted. as the world warms, LA will get more and more snow.

J.Swift
March 3, 2015 5:39 am

Most likely pea hail from the impressive looking storm that also produced the sea spouts.

Phil
March 3, 2015 5:42 am

But the warmists keep telling us that weather isn’t climate, and climate isn’t weather. Except when it is. Or isn’t. Or something.

M Courtney
Reply to  Phil
March 3, 2015 6:15 am

Exactly.
Weather not Climate.
Weather = What happens in the real world.
Climate = What happens in the computerised fever dreams of the paranoid.

Reply to  M Courtney
March 3, 2015 6:51 am

I learned this here: Global Warming Climate Disruption causes “warmcolddroughtflood”.
It’s that simple.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  M Courtney
March 3, 2015 5:26 pm

M Courtney,
I’ve no idea who first said, “Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get,” or when, but I’ll wager you a fiver that it predates Al Gore. At present, the WMO defines climate thusly: http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/wcp/ccl/faqs.php
Climate, sometimes understood as the “average weather,” is defined as the measurement of the mean and variability of relevant quantities of certain variables (such as temperature, precipitation or wind) over a period of time, ranging from months to thousands or millions of years.
The classical period is 30 years, as defined by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Climate in a wider sense is the state, including a statistical description, of the climate system.

Your paranoia crack provided the recommended daily allowance of irony, thanks for that.

Editor
March 3, 2015 5:49 am

I surfed Redondo and Huntington Beaches when I was a teen — in the days of Endless Summer. Did see snow in Los Angeles when I was five years old.
Waterspouts are cooler when seen from the beach — I’ve seen then from the sailboat (not the one in the picture, but my own). From the sailboat they are awesome and cause for concern. One of the boats in the Clipper Round the World Race last year ot hit by one in a squall [video here]. .

James Bull
Reply to  Kip Hansen
March 3, 2015 11:55 pm

I liked the video Paul Hardy makes the important point which I’m sure Willis would agree with that the sea’s the boss.
James Bull

ferdberple
March 3, 2015 5:54 am

There was a time not so long ago this would have been blamed on sin. Hollywood, the evils of sex, the wages of sin. god’s wrath visited upon the sinners in the form of waterspouts and hail. waterspouts especially. all that is missing is a rain of frogs.
now we know that climate change has nothing to do with sex, unless you’ve worked for the IPCC, or were caught banging the maid, or the masseuse. instead, global warming is caused by the mortal sin of fossil fuels. and by California’s own records, the dirtiest fossil fuels are produced RIGHT OUTSIDE LA at the Placerita oil field. Co-incidence? Not likely.
this is nature’s wrath, god’s will, visited on the people of LA for the sin of producing North America’s dirtiest fossil fuel.
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/07/18/how-clean-is-our-dirty-oil-youd-be-surprised/

garymount
March 3, 2015 6:00 am

I have been playing up the relatively warm weather here in south western Canada, however it has been 3 C below average for minimum temperatures here lately. Must be global warming.

Jim Francisco
Reply to  garymount
March 3, 2015 10:18 am

That’s what you get for crowing about your warm weather.

Mick
Reply to  garymount
March 3, 2015 2:39 pm

And the high for this day was wayyyy back in 1937. Wonder how skiing was back in ol’ 37 up at Whistler

asybot
Reply to  Mick
March 3, 2015 11:47 pm

Was there a Whistler Ski area in the late 30’s? I kind of doubt it , when I was a skier in the early seventies Whistler/Garibaldi were at best walk in and you had to be “high” (not in temperature) to go there. I cannot of hand remember the 2 ski areas closer to Vancouver in those days but even those were primitive at best even in the early 70’s. Now of course Whistler is a world class resort and has some of the best skiing.

joelobryan
March 3, 2015 6:02 am

Well there is more climate model pseudoscience on attribution of the California drought to global warming, so why not this too?

Title: Anthropogenic warming has increased drought risk in California
http://m.pnas.org/content/early/2015/02/23/1422385112
“Abstract
California is currently in the midst of a record-setting drought. The drought began in 2012 and now includes the lowest calendar-year and 12-mo precipitation, the highest annual temperature, and the most extreme drought indicators on record. The extremely warm and dry conditions have led to acute water shortages, groundwater overdraft, critically low streamflow, and enhanced wildfire risk. Analyzing historical climate observations from California, we find that precipitation deficits in California were more than twice as likely to yield drought years if they occurred when conditions were warm. We find that although there has not been a substantial change in the probability of either negative or moderately negative precipitation anomalies in recent decades, the occurrence of drought years has been greater in the past two decades than in the preceding century. In addition, the probability that precipitation deficits co-occur with warm conditions and the probability that precipitation deficits produce drought have both increased. Climate model experiments with and without anthropogenic forcings reveal that human activities have increased the probability that dry precipitation years are also warm. Further, a large ensemble of climate model realizations reveals that additional global warming over the next few decades is very likely to create ∼100% probability that any annual-scale dry period is also extremely warm. We therefore conclude that anthropogenic warming is increasing the probability of co-occurring warm–dry conditions like those that have created the acute human and ecosystem impacts associated with the “exceptional” 2012–2014 drought in California.”

With a magic Climate model, attribution to increasing CO2 is possible for anything. If it turns warmer and wetter, that too will be evidence of AGW.

Reply to  joelobryan
March 5, 2015 5:45 pm

The magic climate model works well with my bank account as well. In a few years, I’ll be the wealthiest person .. ever

March 3, 2015 6:07 am

heh I got over 100 inches in Feb so this looks like frost to me LOL

March 3, 2015 6:08 am

and I thought 100% probability was statistically impossible, so good to know

March 3, 2015 6:14 am

Being an Ozzie the green tyrants of California deserve to be dumped upon by cold global warming.

jlurtz
March 3, 2015 6:28 am

We are now in a Cooling Earth. This means warm [but cooling] oceans, cool [and getting colder] land masses. The result will be more of the same weather patterns, but with a continuing colder bias. In addition, the Jet Stream, in winter, will continue to move further South. Pretty obvious how the Ice Age occurs. Let’s see, CO2 up, Solar output down; I wonder what is causing this???
http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison_recent_cycles.png
Global Warming in North American will go away when California gets cold!

Bear
Reply to  jlurtz
March 3, 2015 7:10 am

Interesting graph. One thing that stands out for me is the second peak is taller than the first in Cycle 24 but the opposite seems to be true for the others. Coincidence or is this trying to tell us something?

RWturner
Reply to  Bear
March 3, 2015 8:47 am

I suspect it’s because this cycle will have a rather long second half. Notice how cycle 23 was longer than the others? 24 may be longer yet, and I believe this is common with diminishing solar flux.

Bart
Reply to  jlurtz
March 3, 2015 7:28 pm

Not meaning to knock SoCal, it’s just your comment reminded me of this.
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/Bartemis/road2hell_zpsrtasudes.jpg

harkin
March 3, 2015 6:28 am

Take it from a SoCal (who btw is a lukewarmer/skeptic), that was hail.

harkin
March 3, 2015 6:30 am

btw – southern Californians have been calling hail “snow” my entire lifetime so don’t blame them.
In 57 years I actually only saw real snow in the basin twice.

Big Bob
Reply to  harkin
March 3, 2015 8:34 am

I was working near Whittier in December of 1968(?) on a road crew and we drove to the top of a hill and it snowed.
I don’t think it snowed at the bottom of the hill.
Only time I remember it snowing in the metro area at least

harkin
Reply to  Big Bob
March 3, 2015 11:58 am

I was a student in the Lowell Joint School District (straddled the Orange/LA County border near Whittier) and I remember riding my bike to school in a light snow – it very well might have been 68.

Reply to  harkin
March 3, 2015 11:48 pm

I saw snow on dirt Mulholland January 18th, 2007. I have a picture with tracks made by a Ranger’s truck and my MTB tires. Too cold for anyone else. Weather Underground says the record low for Van Nuys airport (35 degrees) was made January 17th 2007 (the previous night?).

Eric
March 3, 2015 6:49 am

I live about 50 miles south at a different beach, based on what we saw here, it was small hail…
We Californians (beach area) sometimes forget, if you can hear it hitting the ground…it isn’t snow.

Reply to  Eric
March 4, 2015 5:47 am

As a climate refugee from New Hampshire I know if you hear a hissing sound as it lands on water, it is snow.

Leon Brozyna
March 3, 2015 6:59 am

That is just too cute …
looks like a heavy frost.
Meanwhile, after somehow surviving the coldest month ever, we’ve started March with typical February weather and have already gone over 100 inches of snow and if the season ends up just average (we should be so lucky), we’ll probably be pushing 120″ … two feet above average.
Where’s Al Gore’s global warming when we need it so much?!!

March 3, 2015 7:00 am

The event was widely reported on the Northern California TV stations as a hail storm. One report I saw ran the radar loop showing the thunderstorm that produced it. Weather Underground reported the low temperature in Huntington Beach as 48 F.

Go Home
March 3, 2015 7:07 am

Looks like the worlds lowest hanging fog bank.

Ralph Kramden
March 3, 2015 7:14 am

They didn’t mention the snow but ABC News this morning said there is a report that blames the California drought on man-made climate change. They must not remember California had droughts long before there was any man-made climate change.

Bohdan Burban
Reply to  Ralph Kramden
March 3, 2015 9:53 am

According to Wikipedia, over the last millennium or so, two mega-droughts have been recorded in California – 850AD to 1090AD (240 years) and 1140AD – 1320AD (180 years).

Alan Robertson
March 3, 2015 7:44 am

Spring calls ahead to say it’s coming for a visit.

LKMiller
March 3, 2015 8:34 am

I understand the glee when weather events clash with the anthropogenic CO2 driven global warming religion but, before we get too cocky, understand that the snow pack in most of the western US is in very poor condition. And, we are rapidly running out of the snow making season. Thus, if we get a few lightning busts this summer, it could be a very bad fire season.
Should this happen, we must be prepared to debate the high priests again, and show that the large fires are more the result of decades of criminally negligent management of the huge federal forest land in the west, and the typical dry summer weather and recurrent dry lightning events that have been happening for eons.

RWturner
March 3, 2015 8:56 am

This might be a good time for an ENSO update Bob. The 3.4 NINO region took a bug jump upwards in temperature but there is a mass of anomalously cold water just north of it. Any of this have to do with the RRR?

March 3, 2015 9:11 am

California is in an AGW caused drought and if you don’t believe it the Federal and State water management systems will continue and accelerate the practice of dumping run off into the Pacific Ocean. Has anybody thought to check on the impact of all that fresh water on San Francisco Bay? It could be having an impact like the “streamers” reported yesterday at that “environmentally correct” solar plant in the desert. Like attracting those fresh water loving bull sharks into the bay to eat all those protected salmon. Lord knows those “endangered” sea lions eat the heck out of them!

Jim Francisco
March 3, 2015 9:20 am

Could those water spouts be cold air funnels instead?

ren
March 3, 2015 9:46 am

Visible blast of Arctic air over California.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/ddmion.jpg

ren
Reply to  ren
March 3, 2015 10:45 am
James at 48
Reply to  ren
March 3, 2015 12:05 pm

Wicked and persistent Rex Block. Year upon year. Really bad for the drought. Not only is this how megadroughts happen, it may also be how Laurentide critical accumulations happen.

Svend Ferdinandsen
March 3, 2015 10:08 am

Of cause it is climate change, that’s obvious, just look out of your window.. And you know AGW causes climate change, so it is proved.
AGW you know is not the same as GW, the antropogenic component works mysteriously, so that cold weather is also AGW.
Why make it more difficult than it is.

markl
March 3, 2015 10:35 am

Hail. Happens more often than you think in Huntington Beach but usually disappears quickly. I live a couple blocks from the Pacific in Huntington Beach and my neighborhood was targeted by the “super cell” hail years back. It accumulated 4 inches of hail on the ground. This hail was interesting in that it was cold (for us) and it took several hours to melt.

Bill 2
March 3, 2015 11:48 am

Surely people running the best science blog know the difference between hail and snow?

pat
March 3, 2015 1:09 pm

the Al Gore effect strikes again:
1 Mar: Newsweek: Greg Evans: Exposing the Doubt-Mongers Trying to Convince You Climate Change Isn’t Real
Joining the fray is filmmaker Robert Kenner, whose surprisingly rollicking screen adaptation of Merchants of Doubt opens March 6 in New York and Los Angeles…
NEWSWEEK’S GREG EVANS: How did you make a film about global warming entertaining?
KENNER: First of all, I don’t think it is about global warming. I think it’s about people who create doubt. Their next big payday just happens to be climate change…
http://www.newsweek.com/exposing-doubt-mongers-trying-convince-you-climate-change-isnt-real-310372

Village Idiot
March 3, 2015 1:32 pm

The Imminent Catastophic Great Cooling cometh with doooom in its wake!!

March 3, 2015 1:42 pm

ISTR it was actually 1988/89. There was snow on the ground from Van Nuys to Thousand Oaks (Ventura County), that I knew of, and probably south of there. The snow stuck around in Thousand Oaks long enough that we were having snowball fights in the lab I worked in (yes, inside, but hey, we were Californians…).

March 3, 2015 2:12 pm

Anyone else notice how the Great Lakes’ Ice Cover dropped 10% in the last 3 days? Musta been some heat wave–Equatorial Vortex??????

Goldie
March 3, 2015 3:36 pm

They do say that Perth (Western Australia) actually has the weather that Californians think they have. No snow here – ever!

Michael tilden
Reply to  Goldie
March 3, 2015 8:23 pm

Didn’t snow here either…….hail from a thunderstorm…..in the 60s
at the time. Never a thunderstorm in Perth?

Reply to  Michael tilden
March 4, 2015 3:34 am

We get hail in the spring usually. Temperatures need to be above 60F usually or you don’t get the warm updrafts needed. The colder temps with this event in California make me question “hail”. Sounds more like ice rain, which is not the same.

markl
Reply to  wickedwenchfan
March 4, 2015 8:49 am

“Sounds more like ice rain, which is not the same.” It was little balls of ice dancing off the hood of my car and the ground while I was driving and little balls of ice covering my lawn and the street in front of my house. What’s that?

Annie
Reply to  Goldie
March 5, 2015 5:18 am

Apparently there has been snow around Perth three times…look up that nice Mr Google.
Our rather cool summer in the south eastern part of Australia has disappeared, with a bit of snow on Mt Wellington in Tassie and Mt Buller in Victoria. I hope we don’t have a repeat of last year’s lack of autumn where we went straight from summer to winter.

Tim Groves
March 3, 2015 6:14 pm

Excuse me if this doesn’t embed. Van Morrison sang Snow in San Anselmo in 1973. Could he have been referring to the 1968 snowfall? [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPfhvzBRey8&w=560&h=315%5D

Michael tilden
March 3, 2015 8:14 pm

Please……I like to trust this site…..but it was hail from a thunderstorm…..and in the 60s at the time. We don’t need the alarmist style headlines do we?

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  Michael tilden
March 4, 2015 5:02 am

Exactly. I made a little “snowman” in South Africa at Christmas time, but in my heart of hearts I knew he was really made of hail stones.

nc
March 3, 2015 11:39 pm

Garymount but a grantseeking climate scientist on global news from UBC said the lousy ski season near Vancouver this year is proof of AGW with Galis nodding in agreement. So there.
Sarc

asybot
Reply to  nc
March 4, 2015 1:02 am

@nc, remember the Olympics on Whistler? Even then they had to shorten up the downhill, truck in snow etc I also seem to remember the “Winter” Olympics Japan, the last one in Sochi etc . If you look at the prevailing wind patterns of all three locations they all one thing in common all of them are on the east side of large bodies of water (Pacific Ocean, Sea of Japan and the Black Sea) and if anything these zones are anything but a “Winter Climate” region, They are temperate.climate areas. If you want to have winter games do it in the Alps, Sweden, Finland, Minnesota, Illinois or the Urals and the Himalayas for that matter etc. but the games are political as He,l. cost the taxpayers nothing but money and in reality don’t accomplish much but…..
I watched them too. (but I didn’t even know Global “news” was still there)

March 4, 2015 2:35 am

This is proof of Man Made Global Warming Climate Change Climate Disruption!!!!
We are as doomed as we could possibly be!
If not more so.

March 4, 2015 3:04 am

Well so much for ‘The East is colder but the West is warmer’ narrative.

harkin
March 4, 2015 7:28 am

I sent an email directly to WUWT telling them this was hail, not snow.
No reply, no response, no change, no correction.
Very disappointed that this site which I love so much would allow this. Maybe they’re hoping it will just disappear with time.
I guess we can conclude that we may have “read that headline correctly”, but that the headline was far from correct.

C
March 4, 2015 11:59 pm

That was definitely hail. I have a friend who lives there and experienced it. And if you look close at the second picture, you can see the hailstones.
WUWT, this endangers your credibility. And once it is lost, you will NEVER get it back. Certainly not with me. This is the shit the warmists pull.

Ricky
March 5, 2015 10:26 am

Every time there is some weather anomaly it is blamed on global warming. The Global Warming crowd loves to people like myself who question whether global warming exists or not as “climate change deniers” inter Alia to being a Holocaust Denier. The political left can never tell the truth and do what they best and that is lie.

Joe Ybarra
March 5, 2015 4:32 pm

Although it makes a great photo, the “snow” in Huntington Beach was simply hail. There is no story here. The last time it snowed in Los Angeles itself was 1949. We keep our snow in to our mountains.

Gil
March 5, 2015 11:04 pm

Where does the author suppose the extra heat energy comes from to evaporate water to provide record snowfall?

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