Cold weather: Snow on the beach, plus waterspouts near Los Angeles

Yes you read that headline correctly. Yesterday in Huntington Beach there was snow. And, in Redondo Beach, waterspouts were reported. I’m sure it won’t be long before somebody tries to blame these weather events on “global warming” which is fast becoming the “universal bogeyman” for any weather event.

snow-huntington-beachAnd in downtown:

Waterspouts:

These events were all part of a frontal system moving through, hardly unprecedented. It seems there was a similar event with snow on the beach in 1987.

Observers indicated the snow might be very fine hail, possibly from a cold core thunderstorm. Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with “global warming”.

 

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110 thoughts on “Cold weather: Snow on the beach, plus waterspouts near Los Angeles

    • I was just in Tampa last month, it was nice to be in just freezing weather and a 25 degree wind chill instead of the -18 and -25F wind chills back home! I will say Florida cold feels about 15 degrees colder than the same Michigan temperature for some reason.

      • You weren’t imagining things, you felt colder because of the high humidity which dampens your skin and clothing just slightly, but enough to conduct more heat away from your body. I first experienced this in Okinawa when I was caught off guard at how cold 40 F felt in the subtropics.

  1. Of course it has nothing to do with “global warming”, since “global warming” is quickly becoming considered similar to mythological Gods and creatures.
    Notwithstanding there is credible evidence that a spat between Zeus and Juno has been implicated in the California snow.

    • “Climate Change”! It MUST be called “Climate Change”! I INSIST you call it “Climate Change” (at least until summer; then we can switch back to “Global Warming”)!

  2. I definitely recall, from my early childhood in Pasadena, mid to late 1950’s, finding a layer of actual ice outside on some collected water. It may have been in one of my play sand buckets. 😉

    • I remember snow in Loma Linda California the winter of 1948-49. There was just a few inches – enough to make a snowman.

  3. Perhaps this is Natures opinion on mann-made global warming. Their religion is crumbling thanks to the few who stand unafraid.

  4. There seems to be an interesting phenomenon here – “When people lie about global warming, the climate reacts in such a way as to maximize the ridiculousness of the claim”. This is something straight out of a Hollywood TV miniseries – truth is stranger than fiction. I suppose this saves a ski trip to Mammoth Mountain!

  5. So, now that it is snowing even in hot LA, will the NASA and NOAA ‘scientists’ living in California finally admit that it is trending towards colder weather?
    Naw.

  6. The harder the almarist work, the “behinder” they get.
    Absolutely nothing the alarmists have predicted has even come close to reflecting reality.
    All they’re left with is developing new excuses for why their hypothesis doesn’t work, rather than accepting the obvious fact that their hypothesis is a bust.
    More and more people are finally realizing the CAGW scaremongering has become a joke.

  7. I found this in the KLOX “Area Forecast Discussion” dated 145 PM PST MON MAR 2 2015:

    .SHORT TERM (TODAY-THU)…IT HAS BEEN ANOTHER ACTIVE DAY TODAY IN RESPECT TO SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS. THERE WERE REPORTS OF PEA SIZE TO 1/2″ HAIL REPORTED IN MANY LOCATIONS…BUT THE BIGGEST UNLOADING OF HAIL OCCURRED AT HUNTINGTON BEACH EARLIER THIS MORNING. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR LOS ANGELES AND VENTURA COUNTIES WILL BE EXTENDED UNTIL 7 AM TUESDAY MORNING…WHILE THE SAME ADVISORY FOR THE SANTA BARBARA COUNTY MOUNTAINS WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE AT 6 PM THIS EVENING.

    Between 1015 and 1045 the air temp dropped from 55°F to 48°F with 0.18″ precip and a wind report up to 12G23. This is all consistent with a thunderstorm. Way too warm to have permitted snow to reach the ground, so definitely hail.
    Data from http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=sgx&sid=C1521&num=72&raw=0

    • I thought “Ice Pellets” was the correct meteorological term for tiny hailstones.
      { The famous “Ice pellets” football game in Dallas comes to mind, Dolphins V. Cowboys. I think the Dolphins won.}

      • @ BFL “sleet” as far as I know (an observer for the Gov 2 x a day for 20+ years) is more a mix of rain and wet snow, sometimes mixed with hail pellets and generally comes with high and gusty winds and drastic changes (lowering) in temperatures and as someone else mentioned associated with thunderstorms/ tornadoes/ flash floods etc. , generally formed in a squall, they don’t last very long but can be very destructive to farmers especially ( and of course houses, cars everything in their path) But you can fix a roof or a car but it is hard to put a peach back on a tree (until next year of course and then hope it does not happen again)

    • Yep, TSTMs. Temps were in the upper 40s, low 50s. Long Beach Airport (KLGB) reported the TSTM. John Wayne Airport (KSNA) reported the rain but not thunder. Cold core TSTM due mainly to secondary impulse instability. Cool pictures, nonetheless.
      KLGB 021853Z 15004KT 10SM -RA FEW008 SCT022 OVC040 11/08 A2993 RMK AO2 TSB03E20 SLP135 VSBY S 2SM P0020 T01110083
      KLGB 021825Z 19005KT 10SM -RA FEW008 SCT022 OVC040 10/08 A2993 RMK AO2 TSB03E20 VSBY S 2SM P0017 T01000078
      KLGB 021807Z 25006G14KT 4SM +TSRA FEW022 BKN035 OVC045 11/08 A2995 RMK AO2 TSB03 P0005 T01110078
      KLGB 021753Z COR 34008KT 10SM RA FEW008 SCT020 BKN055 OVC070 13/09 A2993 RMK AO2 RAB39 SLP136 P0000 60000 T01280089 10133 20094 53010
      KSNA 021853Z 24008G18KT 2 1/2SM R20R/5000VP6000FT +RA BKN026 BKN046 OVC055 11/06 A2997 RMK AO2 RAB16 SLP150 P0014 T01060061
      KSNA 021849Z 22013KT 2 1/2SM R20R/5000VP6000FT RA BKN026 BKN046 OVC055 11/07 A2997 RMK AO2 RAB16 PRESRR P0011
      KSNA 021753Z 00000KT 10SM SCT025 BKN060 BKN110 15/07 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP135 T01500067 10156 20111 51010

  8. Most likely pea hail from the impressive looking storm that also produced the sea spouts.

  9. But the warmists keep telling us that weather isn’t climate, and climate isn’t weather. Except when it is. Or isn’t. Or something.

    • Exactly.
      Weather not Climate.
      Weather = What happens in the real world.
      Climate = What happens in the computerised fever dreams of the paranoid.

      • M Courtney,
        I’ve no idea who first said, “Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get,” or when, but I’ll wager you a fiver that it predates Al Gore. At present, the WMO defines climate thusly: http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/wcp/ccl/faqs.php
        Climate, sometimes understood as the “average weather,” is defined as the measurement of the mean and variability of relevant quantities of certain variables (such as temperature, precipitation or wind) over a period of time, ranging from months to thousands or millions of years.
        The classical period is 30 years, as defined by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Climate in a wider sense is the state, including a statistical description, of the climate system.

        Your paranoia crack provided the recommended daily allowance of irony, thanks for that.

  10. I surfed Redondo and Huntington Beaches when I was a teen — in the days of Endless Summer. Did see snow in Los Angeles when I was five years old.
    Waterspouts are cooler when seen from the beach — I’ve seen then from the sailboat (not the one in the picture, but my own). From the sailboat they are awesome and cause for concern. One of the boats in the Clipper Round the World Race last year ot hit by one in a squall [video here]. .

    • I liked the video Paul Hardy makes the important point which I’m sure Willis would agree with that the sea’s the boss.
      James Bull

  11. There was a time not so long ago this would have been blamed on sin. Hollywood, the evils of sex, the wages of sin. god’s wrath visited upon the sinners in the form of waterspouts and hail. waterspouts especially. all that is missing is a rain of frogs.
    now we know that climate change has nothing to do with sex, unless you’ve worked for the IPCC, or were caught banging the maid, or the masseuse. instead, global warming is caused by the mortal sin of fossil fuels. and by California’s own records, the dirtiest fossil fuels are produced RIGHT OUTSIDE LA at the Placerita oil field. Co-incidence? Not likely.
    this is nature’s wrath, god’s will, visited on the people of LA for the sin of producing North America’s dirtiest fossil fuel.
    http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/07/18/how-clean-is-our-dirty-oil-youd-be-surprised/

  12. I have been playing up the relatively warm weather here in south western Canada, however it has been 3 C below average for minimum temperatures here lately. Must be global warming.

    • And the high for this day was wayyyy back in 1937. Wonder how skiing was back in ol’ 37 up at Whistler

      • Was there a Whistler Ski area in the late 30’s? I kind of doubt it , when I was a skier in the early seventies Whistler/Garibaldi were at best walk in and you had to be “high” (not in temperature) to go there. I cannot of hand remember the 2 ski areas closer to Vancouver in those days but even those were primitive at best even in the early 70’s. Now of course Whistler is a world class resort and has some of the best skiing.

  13. Well there is more climate model pseudoscience on attribution of the California drought to global warming, so why not this too?

    Title: Anthropogenic warming has increased drought risk in California
    http://m.pnas.org/content/early/2015/02/23/1422385112
    “Abstract
    California is currently in the midst of a record-setting drought. The drought began in 2012 and now includes the lowest calendar-year and 12-mo precipitation, the highest annual temperature, and the most extreme drought indicators on record. The extremely warm and dry conditions have led to acute water shortages, groundwater overdraft, critically low streamflow, and enhanced wildfire risk. Analyzing historical climate observations from California, we find that precipitation deficits in California were more than twice as likely to yield drought years if they occurred when conditions were warm. We find that although there has not been a substantial change in the probability of either negative or moderately negative precipitation anomalies in recent decades, the occurrence of drought years has been greater in the past two decades than in the preceding century. In addition, the probability that precipitation deficits co-occur with warm conditions and the probability that precipitation deficits produce drought have both increased. Climate model experiments with and without anthropogenic forcings reveal that human activities have increased the probability that dry precipitation years are also warm. Further, a large ensemble of climate model realizations reveals that additional global warming over the next few decades is very likely to create ∼100% probability that any annual-scale dry period is also extremely warm. We therefore conclude that anthropogenic warming is increasing the probability of co-occurring warm–dry conditions like those that have created the acute human and ecosystem impacts associated with the “exceptional” 2012–2014 drought in California.”

    With a magic Climate model, attribution to increasing CO2 is possible for anything. If it turns warmer and wetter, that too will be evidence of AGW.

  14. We are now in a Cooling Earth. This means warm [but cooling] oceans, cool [and getting colder] land masses. The result will be more of the same weather patterns, but with a continuing colder bias. In addition, the Jet Stream, in winter, will continue to move further South. Pretty obvious how the Ice Age occurs. Let’s see, CO2 up, Solar output down; I wonder what is causing this???
    http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison_recent_cycles.png
    Global Warming in North American will go away when California gets cold!

  15. btw – southern Californians have been calling hail “snow” my entire lifetime so don’t blame them.
    In 57 years I actually only saw real snow in the basin twice.

    • I was working near Whittier in December of 1968(?) on a road crew and we drove to the top of a hill and it snowed.
      I don’t think it snowed at the bottom of the hill.
      Only time I remember it snowing in the metro area at least

      • I was a student in the Lowell Joint School District (straddled the Orange/LA County border near Whittier) and I remember riding my bike to school in a light snow – it very well might have been 68.

    • I saw snow on dirt Mulholland January 18th, 2007. I have a picture with tracks made by a Ranger’s truck and my MTB tires. Too cold for anyone else. Weather Underground says the record low for Van Nuys airport (35 degrees) was made January 17th 2007 (the previous night?).

  16. I live about 50 miles south at a different beach, based on what we saw here, it was small hail…
    We Californians (beach area) sometimes forget, if you can hear it hitting the ground…it isn’t snow.

  17. That is just too cute …
    looks like a heavy frost.
    Meanwhile, after somehow surviving the coldest month ever, we’ve started March with typical February weather and have already gone over 100 inches of snow and if the season ends up just average (we should be so lucky), we’ll probably be pushing 120″ … two feet above average.
    Where’s Al Gore’s global warming when we need it so much?!!

  18. The event was widely reported on the Northern California TV stations as a hail storm. One report I saw ran the radar loop showing the thunderstorm that produced it. Weather Underground reported the low temperature in Huntington Beach as 48 F.

  19. They didn’t mention the snow but ABC News this morning said there is a report that blames the California drought on man-made climate change. They must not remember California had droughts long before there was any man-made climate change.

    • According to Wikipedia, over the last millennium or so, two mega-droughts have been recorded in California – 850AD to 1090AD (240 years) and 1140AD – 1320AD (180 years).

  20. I understand the glee when weather events clash with the anthropogenic CO2 driven global warming religion but, before we get too cocky, understand that the snow pack in most of the western US is in very poor condition. And, we are rapidly running out of the snow making season. Thus, if we get a few lightning busts this summer, it could be a very bad fire season.
    Should this happen, we must be prepared to debate the high priests again, and show that the large fires are more the result of decades of criminally negligent management of the huge federal forest land in the west, and the typical dry summer weather and recurrent dry lightning events that have been happening for eons.

  21. This might be a good time for an ENSO update Bob. The 3.4 NINO region took a bug jump upwards in temperature but there is a mass of anomalously cold water just north of it. Any of this have to do with the RRR?

  22. California is in an AGW caused drought and if you don’t believe it the Federal and State water management systems will continue and accelerate the practice of dumping run off into the Pacific Ocean. Has anybody thought to check on the impact of all that fresh water on San Francisco Bay? It could be having an impact like the “streamers” reported yesterday at that “environmentally correct” solar plant in the desert. Like attracting those fresh water loving bull sharks into the bay to eat all those protected salmon. Lord knows those “endangered” sea lions eat the heck out of them!

  23. Of cause it is climate change, that’s obvious, just look out of your window.. And you know AGW causes climate change, so it is proved.
    AGW you know is not the same as GW, the antropogenic component works mysteriously, so that cold weather is also AGW.
    Why make it more difficult than it is.

  24. Hail. Happens more often than you think in Huntington Beach but usually disappears quickly. I live a couple blocks from the Pacific in Huntington Beach and my neighborhood was targeted by the “super cell” hail years back. It accumulated 4 inches of hail on the ground. This hail was interesting in that it was cold (for us) and it took several hours to melt.

  25. the Al Gore effect strikes again:
    1 Mar: Newsweek: Greg Evans: Exposing the Doubt-Mongers Trying to Convince You Climate Change Isn’t Real
    Joining the fray is filmmaker Robert Kenner, whose surprisingly rollicking screen adaptation of Merchants of Doubt opens March 6 in New York and Los Angeles…
    NEWSWEEK’S GREG EVANS: How did you make a film about global warming entertaining?
    KENNER: First of all, I don’t think it is about global warming. I think it’s about people who create doubt. Their next big payday just happens to be climate change…
    http://www.newsweek.com/exposing-doubt-mongers-trying-convince-you-climate-change-isnt-real-310372

  26. ISTR it was actually 1988/89. There was snow on the ground from Van Nuys to Thousand Oaks (Ventura County), that I knew of, and probably south of there. The snow stuck around in Thousand Oaks long enough that we were having snowball fights in the lab I worked in (yes, inside, but hey, we were Californians…).

  27. They do say that Perth (Western Australia) actually has the weather that Californians think they have. No snow here – ever!

    • Didn’t snow here either…….hail from a thunderstorm…..in the 60s
      at the time. Never a thunderstorm in Perth?

      • We get hail in the spring usually. Temperatures need to be above 60F usually or you don’t get the warm updrafts needed. The colder temps with this event in California make me question “hail”. Sounds more like ice rain, which is not the same.

        • “Sounds more like ice rain, which is not the same.” It was little balls of ice dancing off the hood of my car and the ground while I was driving and little balls of ice covering my lawn and the street in front of my house. What’s that?

    • Apparently there has been snow around Perth three times…look up that nice Mr Google.
      Our rather cool summer in the south eastern part of Australia has disappeared, with a bit of snow on Mt Wellington in Tassie and Mt Buller in Victoria. I hope we don’t have a repeat of last year’s lack of autumn where we went straight from summer to winter.

  28. Please……I like to trust this site…..but it was hail from a thunderstorm…..and in the 60s at the time. We don’t need the alarmist style headlines do we?

    • Exactly. I made a little “snowman” in South Africa at Christmas time, but in my heart of hearts I knew he was really made of hail stones.

  29. Garymount but a grantseeking climate scientist on global news from UBC said the lousy ski season near Vancouver this year is proof of AGW with Galis nodding in agreement. So there.
    Sarc

    • @nc, remember the Olympics on Whistler? Even then they had to shorten up the downhill, truck in snow etc I also seem to remember the “Winter” Olympics Japan, the last one in Sochi etc . If you look at the prevailing wind patterns of all three locations they all one thing in common all of them are on the east side of large bodies of water (Pacific Ocean, Sea of Japan and the Black Sea) and if anything these zones are anything but a “Winter Climate” region, They are temperate.climate areas. If you want to have winter games do it in the Alps, Sweden, Finland, Minnesota, Illinois or the Urals and the Himalayas for that matter etc. but the games are political as He,l. cost the taxpayers nothing but money and in reality don’t accomplish much but…..
      I watched them too. (but I didn’t even know Global “news” was still there)

  30. This is proof of Man Made Global Warming Climate Change Climate Disruption!!!!
    We are as doomed as we could possibly be!
    If not more so.

  31. I sent an email directly to WUWT telling them this was hail, not snow.
    No reply, no response, no change, no correction.
    Very disappointed that this site which I love so much would allow this. Maybe they’re hoping it will just disappear with time.
    I guess we can conclude that we may have “read that headline correctly”, but that the headline was far from correct.

  32. That was definitely hail. I have a friend who lives there and experienced it. And if you look close at the second picture, you can see the hailstones.
    WUWT, this endangers your credibility. And once it is lost, you will NEVER get it back. Certainly not with me. This is the shit the warmists pull.

  33. Every time there is some weather anomaly it is blamed on global warming. The Global Warming crowd loves to people like myself who question whether global warming exists or not as “climate change deniers” inter Alia to being a Holocaust Denier. The political left can never tell the truth and do what they best and that is lie.

  34. Although it makes a great photo, the “snow” in Huntington Beach was simply hail. There is no story here. The last time it snowed in Los Angeles itself was 1949. We keep our snow in to our mountains.

  35. Where does the author suppose the extra heat energy comes from to evaporate water to provide record snowfall?

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