Climate Craziness of the Week: 'climate denial is a form of murder'

Yes, really, some hopelessly brainwashed person named Barry Aubin (@SaintAubinN) really thinks this, and actually put that thought into words on his Twitter feed. h/t to Foxgoose for spotting this one….

Here is the Tweet:

Where do these people come from, and how is it they have such a warped sense of reality and scale?






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Paul Seward
February 3, 2015 1:33 pm

Denying inexpensive energy in the Third World is a form of murder

Reply to  Paul Seward
February 3, 2015 2:07 pm

That crazy Tweeter has NO INTENTION of going without fossil fuels. We are dealing with deranged, yet selfish people. Here is what Warmists say they want but not really. They have not thought this thing through clearly. Others have.

Life After Energy: What if fossil fuels disappeared tomorrow?
…….Within 24 hours there would be long lines at service stations as people sought to purchase remaining stocks of gasoline. The same people who denounce oil companies would be desperately scrounging the last drops of available fuel for their SUVs. By the third day, all the gasoline would be gone.
With no diesel fuel, the trucking industry would grind to a halt. Almost all retail goods in the US are delivered by trucks. Grocery shelves would begin to empty. Food production at the most basic levels would also stop.…
With no trains or trucks running there would be no way to deliver either raw materials or finished products. All industrial production and manufacturing would stop……

Within a year millions of Americans would be dead.

Bryan A
Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 2:18 pm

within a year MANY Americans WOULD be dead, though likely from marauders that would kill them for what supplies they have.
People with electric cars with at home Solar Charging stations would still have limited use of their vehicles. Many others would be reduced to walking or Horse drawn carriages.
People would aggregate into small farming communities for food and security from marauding outliers.
Think pre industrial society in the late 1800’s. Goods could still be moved cross country by Steam Locomotives and by horse drawn carts on a more localized basis.
Manufacturing could still take place but only through the limited basis allowed for by Wind, Solar, and Hydro facilities.
Basically, not a pretty picture

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 2:26 pm

Bryan A
February 3, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Think pre industrial society in the late 1800’s. Goods could still be moved cross country by Steam Locomotives….

Hey, no coal allowed. 😉

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 3:28 pm

If you want to see what it would be like if we suddenly lost oil (in a realistic way) read the recent novel, “Slow Apocalypse” by the excellent science fiction writer John Varley.

george e. smith
Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 3:53 pm

Bryan A
February 3, 2015 at 2:18 pm
within a year MANY Americans WOULD be dead, though likely from marauders that would kill them for what supplies they have……”””””
Well those same marauders would either steal or destroy the solar panels, so the electric freak would be shut down pronto. Somewhere here in the SF Bay area, one weekend, some people got up on the roof of a local school, and with much media ballyhoo installed solar panels “for the children.”
The next weekend, some people got up on the roof of that school, and carefully removed all those solar panels, and took off with them; all under the watchful eyes of the neighbors.
The horses would all get eaten. so they won’t be pulling anything or anybody.

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 4:09 pm

Hey, there are wood-burners. At least until we run out of trees. There were good reasons to switch to coal back in the 19th century.
/Mr Lynn

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 4:28 pm

Jimbo, the late 1800s isn’t preindustrial. Luddites give their name to anti-industrial views before 1820. By the late 19th C the first wave of “back to the simple life” is already in full swing, the arts and crafts movement is beginning to have effects on design, and some master pieces of really nice architecture are being produced, a movement ironically as ependent on coal, and as resistant to going without as your aversage AGW preacher.

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 4:51 pm

Hey guys, my horses and poop pile make way more methane than allowed per-capita in the green world.
I’ll have to turn them over to the FDA as non-indigenous species hazardous to reforestation. 😉

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 5:01 pm

…sorry, USDA

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 5:39 pm

“Within a year millions of Americans would be dead.”
That’s only a problem if you don’t believe humans are a cancer and want to kill them all. To many ‘environmentalists’, that’s a feature, not a bug.

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 9:06 pm

May I further add that deforestation would accelerate to UNPRECEDENTED levels for sure as people sought wood fuel and animals to eat. Over fishing would also rise to UNPRECEDENTED levels. This is the green utopia? Like I said they have not thought this thing through.
Warmists: Look around your house. Almost EVERYTHING you see was either used using fossil fuels directly as a material or used the energy derived from fossil fuels to manufacture and bring it to shops, then into your home. Think about the illuminated screen you are looking at. Look at your keyboard and mouse / touch screen. What about internet routers, their power, servers and much, much more. That’s ONLY for you reading this WUWT page.

Charles Nelson
Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 9:54 pm

Within a month millions would be dead.

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 11:59 pm

Jimbo, Britain, before the discovery of coal/oil/gas etc, cut down almost all of her forrests for fuel, building and manufacturing (Ships/carts etc). Greenies can’t understand that “fossil” fules actually do protect the environments’ plant life!

Reply to  Jimbo
February 4, 2015 6:45 am

February 3, 2015 at 11:59 pm
Jimbo, Britain, before the discovery of coal/oil/gas etc, cut down almost all of her forrests for fuel, building and manufacturing (Ships/carts etc). Greenies can’t understand that “fossil” fules actually do protect the environments’ plant life!

Absolutely! Think about poor villagers in developing countries with lots of trees. What do greenies think they would burn if they had no access to coal? Bottled gas? No – trees and charcoal. Many poor villagers cannot afford to refill bottled gas and solar cookers are useless during many days in the monsoons. Cooking with coal produces less smoke nasty than wood in my neck of the woods – so to speak.
In India there are a few schemes where methane produced in villages and elsewhere is turned into cooking fuel. It may not be a fossil fuel but greens would try to ban this too. Which would lead to more deforestation. Greens just don’t get it. Did Pachauri get it in 1995??

Abstract – 1995
India’s low-tech energy success
…..How 2 million power plants are turning cow dung into electric power and cooking fuel – and ending up with even better fertilizer than manure. …..
…..Ostensibly 84 percent of Indian villages are connected to the electrical grid, but only 27 percent of their inhabitants actually had access to power in 1991, according to R.K. Pachauri of the Tata Energy Research Institute in New Delhi….

Reply to  Jimbo
February 4, 2015 7:14 am

Within weeks in fact. Our “just in time” society is very finely balanced between feast and famine.

Reply to  Paul Seward
February 3, 2015 2:12 pm

Amen to that, I’d go further and say it’s a form of genocide.

Reply to  Paul Seward
February 3, 2015 2:59 pm

Just another great example of that “civility ” we hear so much about.

Jason Calley
Reply to  Paul Seward
February 4, 2015 6:53 am

Paul, you are very much correct. The only thing which has a demonstrated ability to pick a culture up and lift it above poverty is cheap energy. Restricting cheap energy will doom billions to hunger, cold and early death.
From 10:10’s snuff video of child murder, to countless threatening quotes from alarmists, it has become clear that rather than look at human death as a tragedy, many of the warmists embrace the idea. The next time you meet a true CAGW cult member tell him, “Global Warming is just the collectivist’s plausible justification for killing all the brown people.”

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Paul Seward
February 4, 2015 8:57 am

More evidence that ‘Global Warming’ is a religion, Barry Aubin @SaintAubinN even thinks he’s a Saint!
I hope the unit Barry lives in is secure.

February 3, 2015 1:35 pm

I like the almost obligatory reference to The Koch Brothers just to encourage a few more of the brain dead to sign!

February 3, 2015 1:37 pm

Someone sounds like they are about eleven pence three farthings short of a shilling.

Reply to  Obie
February 3, 2015 2:10 pm

Although I’m not familiar with that monetary system, that sounds worse than being a mere ‘brick short of a load.’

Bryan A
Reply to  skeohane
February 3, 2015 2:20 pm

Sounds like being 99 cents short of a quarter

george e. smith
Reply to  Obie
February 3, 2015 3:55 pm

Well at one time there used to be half-farthings, so those someones are only half as bright as you think they are !

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  george e. smith
February 4, 2015 4:30 am

I have one 1/4 farthing in my coin box. And one 1/3 farthing. It is likely there were several company money coins in the same league.
I like the analogy of “five farthings short of a penny”. Apropos.
I will be referencing this call to murder in the name of protecting the climate. It is literally intended to create a climate of fear.

Reply to  Obie
February 3, 2015 5:00 pm

It gets worse. The single re-tweeter so far to this person’s tweet is called “Palin Stalker” whose little descriptive sentence below his/her avatar reads: “My #1 pet peeve is intolerance.”

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Russell Cook (@questionAGW)
February 4, 2015 4:35 am

Tom Lehrer said it best in reference to National Brotherhood Week – paraphrasing :
“There are some people who do not love their fellow men and I HATE people like that!”

Reply to  Russell Cook (@questionAGW)
February 4, 2015 12:53 pm

I’m guessing Palin Stalker – you quoted – is, maybe, not big at irony . . . .

Robert B
Reply to  Obie
February 3, 2015 5:31 pm

a snag short of a barbie ( a sausage short of a barbeque)

Reply to  Obie
February 4, 2015 5:52 am

“Someone sounds like they are about eleven…”
Obie, you could have stopped there.

pablo an ex pat
February 3, 2015 1:38 pm

As is the total banning of DDT, > 30 Million dead Africans from that one and counting.

Reply to  pablo an ex pat
February 3, 2015 1:42 pm

And there rest, the ban was for 35 years, around 2million ppl/year died of malaria.

Joseph Murphy
Reply to  pablo an ex pat
February 3, 2015 1:47 pm

I am just pissed they banned the incandescent light bulb to protect GE’s patent monopoly. I want cheap bulbs!

Bryan A
Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 3, 2015 2:21 pm

I bought about 150 of those just before the ban and price hike

Alberta Slim
Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 3, 2015 2:53 pm

Drive up to Canada. The exchange rate is favorable too……………..

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 3, 2015 2:58 pm

I have embraced LED bulbs. The warranty is for 20 years — and I’m perfectly capable of throwing receipts into a drawer for eternity — and a 60W equivalent only uses 9.5W.
As each incandescent burns out in my house I replace it with an LED. Slow and steady wins the race.

george e. smith
Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 3, 2015 3:58 pm

Well if you use LED light bulbs like I do, then it is really cheap. And I too bought a load of GEcandescents, to reinstall, when I vacate these premises, and take my LEDs with me.

Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 3, 2015 4:05 pm

The higher wattage Incandescent light bulb ban was overturned in the 2014 budget battle:
Want BIG incandescent bulbs, go here:

Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 3, 2015 4:43 pm

I have to support the led alternative. Sure the bulbs are comparatively expensive, and I’m a night owl so the 20-year use life will be halved at the least. But … I go through two or three regular bulbs in a year. So I will save money not just on power but on bulbs.

Reply to  Joseph Murphy
February 4, 2015 12:56 pm

Drive to Canada for incandescent light bulbs and you would be disappointed.Our government has also banned the manufacturing and sale of these bulbs.This government is not prone to bans but it seems there must have been some lobbyists with very deep pockets to get the bulbs removed from both countries.The incandescent bulbs still can be bought if you manage to find a retaier who stocked up.I know I certainly did.
The Premier of Ontario has mismanaged the province so badly that they borrow money just to keep operating,now they are planning on a carbon tax.We’re told it’s for the environment and some buy that but it’s just about creating a new revenue stream to exploit and take more from the taxpayers.It is absolutely disgraceful to use a phony issue to fleece the public but that’s what it’s all about.

Reply to  pablo an ex pat
February 3, 2015 1:54 pm

Thanks for levelling the score so swiftly. This malaria myth has been debunked ad nauseam but just won’t die, because the loony right is just as loony as the loony left.
DDT is not exempt from resistance – resistant mosquitoes exist and would be even more widespread if the use of DDT had continued on a larger scale. Also, is not banned globally — it remains available to any country that cares to use it, and it remains in fact in widespread use.
Malaria is under control in any country with a reasonable system of public health. It remains out of control in the same countries that also fail to control tuberculosis and HIV. This is not hard to understand.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 2:06 pm

Speaking of loony myths, thanks for bringing two of them out.
DDT is not exempt from resistance, but since it didn’t work by killing but rather by repelling, resistance was never an issue.
It is available for use, that is true, but under US law, no country that uses it may receive US foreign aid.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 2:11 pm

Hi Mike,
How about some links to the debunked malaria myth. I’m a pretty well read guy, I’ve never read a single article debunking it. As far as legal to use, yes, the problem was the USA was the maker, and we couldn’t legally export it. So while it wasn’t illegal to use in third world countries, they couldn’t get it, and were too poor to buy the materials and build the facilities to make it…. I think you are dead wrong on this one, but I’ll be glad to read any links you post. I do have an open mind. I love that straw man disclaimer “Malaria is under control in any country with a reasonable system of public health.” That statement certainly does not prove that very poor countries did not suffer more Malaria when we banned the export of DDT. Actually, it has NOTHING to do with it…

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 2:22 pm

Here was the first quick google on Malaria and DDT. Seems the WHO doesn’t agree with you at all…
“The World Health Organization today announced a major policy change. It’s actively backing the controversial pesticide DDT as a way to control malaria. Malaria kills about 1 million people a year, mainly children, and mainly in Africa, despite a decades-long effort to eradicate it.
The WHO previously approved DDT for dealing with malaria, but didn’t actively support it. ”
The article was from 2006…

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 2:36 pm

Here is what lead up to the DDT controversy. Another controversy.

Dr. J. Gordon Edwards
DDT: A Case Study in Scientific Fraud……….
Effects ofDDTon Eggshells
The alleged thinning of eggshells by DDT in the diet was effective propaganda; however, actual feeding experiments proved that there was very little, if any, correlation between DDT levels and shell thickness. Thin shells may result when birds are exposed to fear, restraint, mercury, lead, parathion, or other agents, or when deprived of adequate calcium, phosphorus, Vitamin D, light, calories, or water.While quail fed a diet containing 2 percent calcium produced thick shells, a calcium content of only 1 percent resulted in shells 9 percent thinner than normal. In the presence of lead, shellswere 14 percent thinner, and withmercury, 8 percent thinner…….
Did DDT EndangerBrown Pelicans?
In 1918 T. G. Pearson and Robert Allen estimated that there were 65,000 brown pelicans along the 1,500-mile Gulf of Mexico coastline. In 1934, after he became president of the National Audubon Society but many years before DDT was used, Allen repeated that Gulf survey and found an 82 percent decrease in pelicans. He saw only 200 pelicans in Texas, and practically none in Louisiana…….
This figure had been published elsewhere; however, since the pelicans were known to have been very scarce there in 1959, an increase to 50,000 by 1961 would havebeen impossible! I called Finley and questioned his figures.

Tony Trewavas
Nature – Correspondence – 27 June 2012
Environment: Carson no ‘beacon of reason’ on DDT
We disagree with Rob Dunn’s view that Rachel Carson’s 1962 book on human environmental impacts, Silent Spring, still stands as a “beacon of reason” (Nature 485, 578–579; 2012).
The insecticide DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) was arguably the most successful chemical ever synthesized to control malaria and other insect-borne diseases. However, Silent Spring led…..

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 2:46 pm

Reading skills, guys.

ferd berple
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 2:54 pm

“Malaria is under control in any country with a reasonable system of public health.”
hard to set up a resaonalbe system of health care when your population is ravaged by malaria because you are too poor to buy the expensive pesticides and low cost DDT is denied to you.
sure, the industrial countries used DDT to wipe out malaria at home, and then banned it. the great beauty of DDT is that it requires only 1 application per 6 months and it is as cheap as dirt so every country can afford it. there is nothing else even close.
when talking about malarial resistance, the issue isn’t DDT. It is resistance to treatment. None of the low cost drugs work any more, so once malaria gets a hold in a poor country it is very difficult to treat let alone eradicate.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 3:39 pm

Your sources are thin and your quotes are taken out of context. Thinning of eggshells and behavioral effects have clearly been attributed to ingestion of DDT in lab and field studies. The recovery of the Bald Eagle, Peregrine Falcon, Osprey, and Brown Pelican can be directly attributed to the banning of DDT.
Where did you get the notion that DDT is a repellent? It is a larvicide and a very effective one until resistance develops- which has happened repeatedly in many parts of the world.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 3:48 pm

Re resistance: There are two resistance phenomena here — the insects become resistant to DDT, and the malaria parasites become resistant to drugs. Both have contributed significantly to the failure of malaria eradication programs.
Re repellent vs. insecticidal action: Insects can become resistant to insecticides, and they can become insensitive to repellents. The effect is the same, as far as humans are concerned.
For some interesting historical detail and timelines, see for example The DDT ban myth. According to that site, the failure of malaria eradication programs had already become evident by the time the U.S. banned DDT, and agricultural overuse had more to do with that failure than the ban itself. Interestingly, we are facing similar problems today with respect to antibiotic resistance due to the unrestrained use of antibiotics in agriculture and their similarly unrestrained distribution for human use in many Asian countries. Resistance is a fact of life, and the more we use any given drug, the more rapidly resistance will take hold and render it useless. I could bore you all night with examples, it’s one of my favourite subjects.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 5:30 pm

Michael Palmer
For some interesting historical detail and timelines, see for example The DDT ban myth. According to that site, the failure of malaria eradication programs had already become evident by the time the U.S. banned DDT, and agricultural overuse had more to do with that failure than the ban itself.

Those who are to blame for the 60+ million dead killed BY the ban on DDT are desperate to avoid responsibility for their direct role in that massecre. I do not trust any information published by that crowd. Every mosquito killed by DDT did not breed, thus there is only conjecture that claims “DDT resistance” is valid.
For example, if 10 million mosquitoes are entrained within screens, then exposed to successive doses of DDT over generations, how many survive a second dose? A third, a fourth generation? How many DDT-resistant mosquitoes have been actually been caught and verified?
Follow the money, follow the power, follow the prejudices (of the researchers) and the people funding them. For example, a random section of 24 of the first 250 “scholarly articles” in 6 pages of Google results (mosquitoes ddt-resistance experiments) showed every one of the selected articles required a payment just to read the paper! And only a few of the paywalled articles even offered the summary for free.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
February 3, 2015 6:28 pm

Michael Palmer:
Following for your information.

n 1945 the goal of eradicating this scourge appeared to be
achievable, thanks to DDT. By 1959, the U.S., Europe, portions of
the Soviet Union, Chile, and several Caribbean islands were nearly
malaria free. In 1970 the National Academy of Sciences stated:

To only a few chemicals does man owe as great a debt as to DDT.
In little more than two decades DDT has prevented 500 million
human deaths due to malaria that would have otherwise have been

Today, however, after the U.S. ban on DDT, there is a global
malaria burden of 300 to 500 million cases and 1 to 2.5 million
deaths annually, mostly among young children. Malaria kills an
African child every 30 seconds.
Many South American countries suffered more than 90 percent
increases in malaria rates after halting DDT use, but Ecuador used
DDT again and enjoyed a 61 percent in malaria
On the first page of the book widely credited with launching the
environmental movement as well as bringing about the ban on
DDT, Rachel Carson wrote: ìDedicated to Dr. Albert Schweitzer,
who said ëMan has lost the capacity to foresee and forestall. He will
end by destroying the earthí.î She surely knew that he was
referring to atomic warfare, but she implied that he meant there
were deadly hazards from chemicals such as DDT. Because I had
already found a great many untruths in her book, I obtained a copy
of Dr. Schweitzerís autobiography, to see whether he even
mentioned DDT. He wrote: ìHow much labor and waste of time
these wicked insects do cause, but a ray of hope, in the use of DDT,
is now held out to us.

Many allegations have been made about the harmful effects of
pesticides in general, and DDT in particular, on human health. Even
statements about the amount actually ingested by human beings
have been dramatically false.

george e. smith
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 4:40 pm

I can remember when I was a school kid during WW-II, we got to watch “Social Studies” 16mm movies showing DDT being used to “fumigate” kids in the Asian Pacific countries. Well in those days, “Social studies” was a euphemism for Geography, and History; and not “ethnic studies”, or “social justice.”
The kids and adults were lined up outside a clinic, and when it was their turn, someone shoved a hose up their garment sleeves, or leggings and literally engulfed them in DDT powder.
People didn’t seem to understand that it was the mosquitoes that needed to be sprayed; not the people.
Far as I know, Nobody ever died from being sprayed like that with DDT.
But certainly that sort of wasteful usage helped get some mosquito populations resistant.
Modern usage can be infinitely more intelligent.
Non organic farmers in the central valley DO NOT go spraying pesticides all over their crops or their fruit or their farm workers. It costs too much money to waste a herbicide by spraying it on a farm worker. There are machines that spray only between the crop rows, where anything green is a weed. And the best of those machines, also know not to spray the dirt, so they use a chlorophyll signature from multi wave length LEDs before they spray anything, and zap only a weed when they find one.
We now have the absurdity in the USA where the UN had declared Rubella (measles) totally eradicated in the USA, circa 2000 something I believe.
Now it is back rampant with hordes of invaders, who never were vaccinated against that or any other disease, and measles is back big time.
Well it started with the HIV virus, where the government decided that the way to prevent the spread of HIV was to quarantine everybody, except the carriers of the HIV virus, who also were the spreaders of the virus.
Back in the 1900 era when Tuberculosis was a problem, people with the disease were quarantined until cured. Well there were other possible outcomes, but release among the population uncured, was not one of them.
Notice that control of international terrorism, also takes the path of restricting everyone who is not a terrorist.

george e. smith
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 4:46 pm

Michael, I notice you forgot to mention that everywhere you go today, they have dispensers of anti-bacterials, so you can get your daily dosage of immunity destroying chemicals. Even the hospitals have that stuff all over the place.
Much easier to just keep your hands off everything, like escalator bars.

george e. smith
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 4:48 pm

Well that eliminates the USA then. We have no control of HIV or Tuberculosis or a reasonable system of public health; Obama put the Kibosh on that.

Robert B
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 5:49 pm

Mosquitoes and flies resistant to Malaria did exist by 1950, along with those resistant to pyrethrum extracts which is the main component of most low irritant fly sprays today.
An extract from;jsessionid=B0D21EBD5448514A699925985E806CAD
“Of 14 lots of flies received from different localities in the United States in 1948 and reared in the laboratory, all showed a great variation in susceptibility to DDT in consecutive generations, but most of them gave evidence of a definite loss of resistance after a few generations ”
DDT would have still been effective in keeping the population under control even with resistant mosquitoes around. You can’t equate it to anti-bacterial/viral drug resistance of diseases.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 6:56 pm

Re disinfectant dispensers: Disinfectants are not antibiotics. Resistance to disinfectants also exists, however, and they are overused also, for example by neurotic housewives cleaning bathrooms.
Re reversal of resistance: This can indeed occur, but once you start using the same poison again, resistance will promptly pick up again. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it stays out.
Re HIV and tuberculosis out of control in the US of A: There are shades of grey, you know. I’m not saying that the situation in the US is great – but it has no resemblance to South Africa etc. Also, blaming this on Obama is nonsense – a key problem here is lack of universal healthcare.
Take, for example, tuberculosis. It needs to be treated with a combination of 3 or more effective drugs to avoid emergence of resistant strains. Some of these are cheap, others expensive. What happens if a poor, uninsured chap gets this prescription? He gets the cheap drugs and skips the ones that are expensive. The bugs become resistant to the cheap drugs, and the poor patient passes on the now partially resistant bugs to his rich neighbour. The rich patient gets the same prescription and gets all drugs. The partially resistant bugs now take the next leap and become resistant to the expensive drugs also. Now, we have a multi- or pan-resistant strain that can spread effectively in the population.
Had we been so prudent as to provide the drugs free of cost to the poor patient in the first place, we could have avoided this problem. Whatever the legal and fiscal details, each well-governed country needs a mechanism to ensure proper treatment of such patients regardless of personal means.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 7:07 pm

That is dead wrong.
There were NO tuberculosis outbreaks uncontrolled ANYWHERE in the US UNTIL Oboma deliberately opened the borders to 85,000 illegal unchecked, un-controlled, 12- 18 year male “children” from Central and South America to create exactly the “crisis” that justifies their extended families coming in across the border, and to justify even further exploitation of the illegal alien families already here needed to support his democratic voting blocks. NO OTHER REASON, but Obola’s deliberate actions caused teh recent rise in fever, tuberculosis, lice, measles, mumps, and the other diseases now killing children in the US.
No. It is his specific and deliberate actions that created the problems. And Bigger Government health care makes it only worse.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 7:57 pm

Michael Palmer,
Since you asked, here is a rundown of the history of DDT, it’s use, success, and effective banning by the brand-new EPA on specious grounds:
I also recall reading of a guy who swallowed a spoonful of DDT every day for months [IIRC]. No apparent side effects. It’s only bad for insects.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 7:58 pm

Immigration may contribute to the problem, but the US is far from alone in having to deal with immigrants, yet their tuberculosis problem clearly predates any recent waves of legal or illegal immigration.
There is no major tuberculosis outbreak in the U.S., and there won’t be. Tuberculosis doesn’t spread fast, and it can be controlled without any drugs at all, just using surveillance and hygiene; in fact, the greatest drop in tuberculosis incidence occurred after the cause of the disease was recognized but before the introduction of chemotherapy. However, there are more infections than there need to be, and the prevalence of multi-resistant strains is higher in the U.S. than in other Western countries with better healthcare systems.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 8:07 pm

dbstealey, I didn’t ask, really, but thanks.
I didn’t defend the ban on DDT – I took no position on whether it was necessary or prudent. I simply stated that without the “ban” on DDT the malaria situation today would not be substantially better than with it. Absolutely nothing in any of the arguments given here persuades me otherwise. That is my considered opinion as an MD and certified specialist in medical microbiology.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 8:45 pm

Michael Palmer,
I thought you’d asked, really. I can’t find what/who I was replying to now, so it was my mistake. My apologies.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 9:10 pm

February 3, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Your sources are thin and your quotes are taken out of context…..

The first source was was a voluminous PDF paper written by a Dr. following up on the matter for decades. You need to raise your objections with him who has researched it in detail. The second paper is paywalled, but if you have the funds you can buy the full paper, thus no more thin.

Robert B
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 9:26 pm

Michael Palmer, I assume that you studied biology. Mosquitoes did not evolve to be resistant. Those with a combination of the right alleles were resistant. They get mixed up again through breeding. Like pyrethrum extracts, DDT would still be effective in keeping the population low unless you came close to wiping out the population. That was never going to happen.
Germs do not have sex.

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 3, 2015 9:29 pm

I vaguely recall reading that insect resistance to insecticides can decline if they are no longer used over long periods. I really can’t recall the details so searching for it on the net is proving futile. Here is something interesting I did find.
DDT resistance in Anopheles gambiae declines with mosquito age

Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 4, 2015 6:43 am

Robert B, if you were right, there would be no evolution. Within the population, the individuals that carry advantageous genes – in this case, genes for DDT resistance – displace those that do not. You can see this happening with bacterial resistance to antibiotics, too — the percentage of Staphylococcus aureus strains that are resistant to penicillin has gone up from <1% to almost 100% today, and with methicillin and lately also vancomycin, we are on a similar trajectory, if not quite as far along.

Robert B
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 4, 2015 6:08 pm

No Michael. If you came close to wiping out the mosquitoes then the survivors can only breed with other resistant mosquitoes. The offspring are then born with the right combination. If you are simply controlling the numbers of a local population then you do not breed a resistant population.
Its not one gene that mutated as happens with bacteria.

george e. smith
Reply to  Michael Palmer
February 5, 2015 1:43 pm

Well the proper way and place to treat the measles epidemic, is at the border, where you stop the carriers from crossing into the USA in the first place.
Then you don’t need all the drug usage.
The USA is the only advanced country on the planet that does not screen incoming persons for diseases.

Bruce Cobb
February 3, 2015 1:46 pm

Climate loons with their hate speech. What can be done about them? Their side murders truth and science.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 3, 2015 10:32 pm

Their ignorant policies aren’t very kind to humans, either.

February 3, 2015 1:47 pm

Aw, be nice.
His heart is in the right place.
And as there’s no evidence he has a brain at all, isn’t that enough?

Gunga Din
Reply to  MCourtney
February 3, 2015 1:55 pm

Perhaps “the pause” has brought on brain freeze? 😎

Reply to  MCourtney
February 3, 2015 2:54 pm

+1, sir. It’s all about intentions and never about consequences.

February 3, 2015 1:47 pm

Bus 4 km to work = 0.80 kg of CO2 emitted.
Walk 4 km to work = 0.80 kg of CO2 emitted.
Amount of CO2 saved by wearing the green-hair-shirt = zero.!A175

lemiere jacques
Reply to  ralfellis
February 3, 2015 1:52 pm

no the point is if you walk instead of tdriving your caryou save money ; if you switch off you save money… so if you do that you WILL do something that the guy who drove his cas and didn’t switch off will not do…
No stop working be poor…you will save the planet, and die…

Reply to  lemiere jacques
February 4, 2015 3:56 am

No, you do not save money.
Bus 4 km to work = $1:50.
Walk 4 km to work = $1:50 for extra calories required.
Energy does not come from nothing, you have to purchase it in whatever form it takes.

Reply to  ralfellis
February 3, 2015 2:12 pm

or even better – jog the aisle while riding the bus to give the planet max CO2, but ditch the hair shirt to max caloric expenditure

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Bubba Cow
February 3, 2015 3:19 pm

If the walk is the only exercise you get its is probably for the best, accepting safety and weather. Otherwise it is robbing you of time from your family and society of the economic value of your labor as well as yourself. For myself the total value of my labor $85. an hour. Not that I get all of that. You time is yours and yours alone. Sacrifice it only for whats necessary or dear to your heart .

Leon Brozyna
February 3, 2015 1:48 pm

The thing about climate science is that it’s really not about the climate nor science, it’s a belief system, much like a cult or a religion, wrapped in the cloak of respectability of science, seeking political power.

Reply to  Leon Brozyna
February 3, 2015 1:57 pm

It is an original sin religion: “We used to live in Eden, but 1st world man ate from the tree of knowledge and now we are doomed. Therefore, all are guilty and should be on the moral defensive. If ye would be saved, you must acknowledge your guilt, and defer to the environmentally righteous among us. They alone deserve power and status.”

Reply to  TYoke
February 3, 2015 4:58 pm

…. and the original sin of individuals is the carbon footprint that the sinning little newborn will inflict on the planet.
Repent ye sinners repent.

February 3, 2015 1:51 pm

Unfortunately for their blood-lust, no one is denying that a climate exists.

Gunga Din
February 3, 2015 1:52 pm

Uh OH! This guys out of lockstep. He must not have heard about the attempt to get the “team” in line that this post takes about.
(Will they send him to the “cooler”?8-)

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 3, 2015 1:53 pm

“takes about” should be “talks about”.

February 3, 2015 1:54 pm

I will defend his right to speak his mind. I have a bad feeling that he wouldn’t do the same for me.

Gunga Din
Reply to  commieBob
February 3, 2015 1:56 pm

Sure he would! …. as long as you agree with him.

February 3, 2015 1:56 pm

Raising food prices by setting aside land to grow biofuel, causing massive starvation and leading to the Arab Spring, social unrest and destabilization with lives lost from the UN IPCC’s 2007 AR5 policy recommendation to turn food into biofuel is unquestionably murder, or at least manslaughter. It’s proven and written.
Any of those faux “social justice warriors” going to call the UN IPCC on their SEVEN YEARS of destruction and chaos from just that one policy prescriptive? This is real, and it happened. For seven years. Unlike the Climate Activists/alarmists “future possible deaths from climate change which hasn’t happened yet and won’t happen for a while and we can’t really prove it because the link is so freaking tenuous.”

February 3, 2015 1:59 pm

There is a link on the Tweet that leads to this.

United Nations: Attempted murder of humanity and all life charges for Fossil fuel companies
Why this is important
Fossil fuel companies have polluted the earth due to the sale of their products. Climate change is real and caused by humans. We need to press charges in a Humanity backed class action lawsuit. To press charges for the deaths that have occurred from climate change, and the deaths of all life which will be certain to be near total if we continue on this path. We are in the 6th great mass extinction. I am pressing charges for the death of all life on this planet. Attempted murder of all life on this planet against fossil fuel companies. Join me!

What if ALL fossil fuel companies stopped production tomorrow. Hundreds of millions of people would die within one year. Medicines and almost EVERYTHING we use in the West would start to go short and real suffering would be felt. The real killers are the people who want to end fossil fuels now.
FAMINE IN INDIA IS NOW A THING OF THE PAST. They now export rice et al.

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 2:00 pm

The good news about the stupid link is that I see
twitter twitter
email email

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 2:13 pm

It’s hard to argue with someone who doesn’t recognize that their very ability to access a computer and type on the internet, their entire existence, is owed to fossil fuels. If they can’t recognize that cheap energy is the fundamental foundation of our civilization, is how they’re able to eat every day, have electricity to power their computer/pad/iphone and servers that run twitter and the website with that petition, made the chemical basis for the most of the materials and the energy that went into manufacturing everything that person has today that saves labor and time, makes life for more pleasant then the brutish existence of the medieval ages, by and large got rid of the need for slavery through mechanization of labor, that fossil fuels fed, clothed, and did the same for his parents before he/she was even an itch in their daddy’s crotch, and they want to remove that foundation, well…
I’d recommend that person go live in a destitute village in the third world since that’s what they really want. If he has the balls, he’d do it. If he doesn’t, he’s just another hypocrite.

Reply to  SABicyclist
February 3, 2015 2:20 pm

Indeed. What that hypocrite also fails to realise is that he is using the energy provided by fossils fuels to Tweet. Even if his computer is solar powered it still uses the energy provided by fossil fuels to get from A to B. There is no way round that fact. His gadget or whatever he used most probably came from China using fossil fuels.
Here is the challenge for those who want to end fossil fuel use NOW!comment image

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 3:42 pm

@Jimbo – “What if ALL fossil fuel companies stopped production tomorrow.”
This was portrayed in One Second After
where an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack instantly disables all modern electronic devices.
It turns out that sensitive electronics are the weakest link in the chain…
Over 2/3rds of the US population perished in the next 24 months.
Very well documented and worth reading.

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 3:46 pm

Red herring alert! I don’t know of anyone who is advocating to end fossil fuel use tomorrow.

george e. smith
Reply to  Luke
February 3, 2015 4:57 pm

But they are advocating ending it.
We started with nothing but free clean green renewable energy, and it failed to sustain us in any numbers, until we climbed down out of the fig trees, and started to use stored chemical energy, which is all that fossils are.
So renewables will never sustain the present world population even with today’s wealth disparity, and it will never get us to a smaller percentage underclass at bare subsistence levels, and a better life for everybody.

Reply to  Luke
February 3, 2015 9:43 pm

February 3, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Red herring alert! I don’t know of anyone who is advocating to end fossil fuel use tomorrow.

My point was merely a mind game to get people to understand how reliant they are on fossil fuels. Furthermore, there are no easy fixes such as intermittent solar and wind. Sure solutions will emerge slowly, but not as quick as we previously thought!

A Secret Memo
“….Forget rising seas taking out New York a hundred years from now. End fossil fuels now, today, before they end you tomorrow morning….”

Reply to  Luke
February 3, 2015 10:35 pm

You must have an extremely small circle of associates, Luke.

February 3, 2015 2:06 pm

“Where do these people come from, and how is it they have such a warped sense of reality and scale?”
I am not sure but I believe they have a lot in common with those burnt another human being in a cage and beheaded a fair few others.

Henry Bowman
February 3, 2015 2:09 pm

As Inigo Montoya might have said, “I don’t think you know what that word means” (referring to the word “murder“).
Of course, Mr. Aubin is plainly a seriously deluded lunatic, so why should we consider his words? Because other seriously deluded lunatics may act on his crazy words.

Michael Jankowski
February 3, 2015 2:10 pm

Looks like he signed an interesting petition considering the “@StAubinN” and “Barry Aubin” matches between the two
…the subject of which makes me think he might be the author here
As for “where do these people come from”…well, he’s apparently a college dropout, if that helps.

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
February 3, 2015 2:48 pm

He’s most probably a heavy [trimmed] on meth.

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
February 3, 2015 3:02 pm

Is this the same guy? I not the ‘N’ in his name. I also note the ‘N’ here in the above Tweet. @SaintAubinN

The Telepathic Icon’s Little Book of Telepathy Paperback – Apr 30 2006
by Barry N. Aubin (Author)
Save The Earth and Go To Space Paperback – September 28, 2005
by Barry Aubin (Author)

Reply to  Jimbo
February 3, 2015 8:49 pm

“Save The Earth and Go To Space”
Yeah! … I’m doin’ that dawg! … right after I download my whole being to a USB stick! … it helps with escape velocity … plus sending carbon-based life into interstellar space would be a shocking act of galactic pollution! … and the practical issue of releasing methane and sulfur in a confined space … and in space, no one can hear you scream … so … lots of upsides.

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
February 3, 2015 3:29 pm

In my experience most are university graduates.

Reply to  old44
February 3, 2015 10:35 pm

…but universe graduates they are not.

February 3, 2015 2:11 pm

It is odd that you post this news at this time. I was just thinking of the reports of the extra deaths over the last years in the UK due to the high heating bills caused by policies driven by the “CO2 will burn us” lunacy. These thousands of people that died were the victims of the lunatic scam of the CO2 cultists. In many ways the alarmists directly caused there death. There may be a legal term for that. (I am not a lawyer)
I understand they say many people my age can heat or they can eat, but not both. Sad state of affairs.

Reply to  markstoval
February 3, 2015 2:13 pm

As God is my witness, I know the difference between “there” and “their”. I had typos.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  markstoval
February 3, 2015 2:45 pm

Teh horror!

Reply to  markstoval
February 3, 2015 3:55 pm

To sooth a Grammar Nazi, pat him on the head while slowly repeating the words, “there, their, they’re.”
[How many ways could that be written wrongly the write way? “There, there. They’re there, their errors are theirs.” .mod]

Reply to  markstoval
February 3, 2015 4:21 pm

Isn’t it embarrassing when one makes an accidental typa.

Reply to  Max Photon
February 3, 2015 6:54 pm

Yeah, I hat that.

Bill Murphy
Reply to  markstoval
February 3, 2015 11:39 pm

Here, here. Its annoying, but one must accept that mistakes happen hear and their. Two bad, sew sad, but true. (Dam, that was fun. Think I’ll wander over to facebarn and do some more.)

John in Oz
Reply to  markstoval
February 4, 2015 12:17 pm

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It came with my pea sea.
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid,
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite.
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it.
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.

February 3, 2015 2:13 pm

Obviously, he’s the patron saint of stupidity, an ever increasing but poorly underrepresented metric of post-modern science. I’m personally glad stupidity finally has a voice.

Gunga Din
February 3, 2015 2:18 pm

To be fair, this guy just seems to be one of the “useful idiots”.
He doesn’t realize that someone else has been pushing his buttons.
(That there seems to be a few short circuits behind those buttons doesn’t hurt.)

Michael Jankowski
February 3, 2015 2:27 pm

Looking one step further, to Facebook, no less…the apparent advocate here of walking and not using fossil fuels worked for a large trucking company in Canada and is/was a fan of Ice Road Truckers. It makes for a nice contrast with his Facebook love of Greenpeace as well.
If I remember correctly (the last 5 minutes of “stalking” has me feeling too filthy re-visit his Twitter account), he had like 27k tweets. Sounds like maybe he’s paid to be a twit.

February 3, 2015 2:31 pm

When Gitmo is rid of terrorists we will refill it with skeptics.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  charplum
February 3, 2015 3:37 pm

Ever hear of menatomy road?

February 3, 2015 2:37 pm

he’s playing into the hands of the very people i imagine he despises!
3 Jan: Fortune: Stephen Gandel: How Wall Street got snowed on weather derivatives
A potential gold mine has entered the deep freeze
Wall Street is no longer minting money off the snow. But it’s still trying.
A few years ago, the market for financial contracts based on snowfall was, for lack of a better phrase, heating up. More and more firms began popping up to sell the specialized weather derivatives. Insurance firms hired traders who would focus on buying and selling the contracts. The Chicago Mercantile Exchange listed dozens of contracts based on snowfall in numerous cities that could be traded like stocks, and were expected to rise and fall daily based on the forecast. A number of large Wall Street firms seemed interested in getting into the market.
These days, though, Wall Street’s market for betting on snow has, well, melted. The CME says that not a single snow-related weather contract traded in 2013. That’s down from 510 trades in 2011…
“The market took off quickly, but then it never hit critical mass,” says Jeff Hodgson, who heads the Chicago Weather Exchange and had sought to specialize in snow derivatives. Now Hodgson is focused on contracts tied to temperature or rainfall for utilities or farmers…
Late last year, you could have bought a snow contract for $30,000 that would have paid out $100,000 if it snowed more than 50 inches in New York City. New York’s snowfall, even including the most recent storm, as measured at LaGuardia Airport, has been 14 inches. So that contract still looks like a long shot…
The lack of interest can be partly chalked up to the fact that, up until this week, there has been a lack of snow. It turns out there are many more companies that want to protect themselves against too much snow than too little. Large ski mountains, perhaps because they pre-sell season tickets, never took an interest in the market…
Wall Street made a killing in the winter of 2011-12, which saw a record lack of snow across the U.S. Since then, buyers of the contracts, who lost money on the insurance, have failed to come back…
In general, the markets for more esoteric derivatives have dried up since the financial crisis. That could be hurting demand for weather contracts as well.
***Also, given the effects of climate change, the number of people expecting record snowfalls is rapidly shrinking…
Still, snowstorms like the one that hit the East Coast on Friday give Wall Street hope…
eWeatherRisk CEO Brian Ohearne says his company is trying to develop snow contracts that are based on the number of storms rather than the absolute number of inches. He thinks those contacts will be more popular.

Reply to  pat
February 3, 2015 9:51 pm

Holy bejezus. One of the things I track is the insanity of the derivatives market. There’s a freaking SNOW derivatives market? Now think of that scam, but with freaking CARBON! In the carbon derivatives market! And the Lehman Brothers meltdown was bad enough!
And the Global Warming/Climate change advocates/activists/scientists just keep playing into it. They like to say skeptics are obedient to the paymasters of the fossil fuel industry. Do they have any idea how massive the financialization industry is when it comes to derivatives?
There’s about 1000 trillion dollars in derivatives out there. A QUADRILLION. That completely eclipses the energy industry by at least 20 times. Guess who the gamblers/house are? The Vampire Squid, aka Goldman Sachs (whose Henry Paulson sits on the WWF board and is a huge climate change advocate) is one. JP Morgan is another. HSBC. Deustch Bank. The list goes on. Should we just say that the paymasters of the Climate Change advocates/activists/scientists are the Financial Industry? The Financial Industry who use an odorless, vital gas for photosynthesis, peg an arbitrary value to it, and then gamble money on it’s movement?
And guess who was the head of the Treasury? That’s right. Henry Hank Paulson, from Goldman Sachs…

February 3, 2015 2:58 pm

Ran into this gobbledygook the other day from other side of the pond:

The Global Calculator is a free and interactive tool
that helps you to understand the link between our lifestyles,
the energy we use, and the consequences for our climate.
It is aimed at anyone interested in exploring what a
low-carbon world could look like in 2050.
The Calculator shows that it is possible to prevent dangerous
climate change and ensure people’s living standards continue
to improve if we act now.
Got mine tuned to full blown nukes + fossil fuels.
Couldn’t turn off the renewables

Reply to  Bubba Cow
February 3, 2015 3:33 pm
Reply to  Bubba Cow
February 4, 2015 4:38 am

I looked first at the preamble about scenarios . They assert the following about consequences of business as usual: (without references that I could see)
“global energy demand could rise around 70% by 2050. Such growth in demand is expected
to be predominantly fuelled by fossil fuels; fossil fuels accounted for around 80% of supply
in 2011 and it is projected that this will remain roughly unchanged . Such a scenario would result in a
continued rise in global greenhouse gas emissions, resulting in a global mean temperature rise of
up to 6 degrees.”
35 years at 2ppm/year production of CO2 = 70 ppm +400 = 470ppm by 2050. Which model or RCP scenario predicts a 6C rise by 2050 based on CO2 increase?
To be fair to them however they do state that an increase in food production and grass land grazing is also needed for the anticipated population rise. A pity that they do not acknowledge that a wetter, warmer world might be a good way to achieve that .

February 3, 2015 3:00 pm

Can’t get into twitter unless you dig. This should have been printed in the original article:
“Why this is important
Fossil fuel companies have polluted the earth due to the sale of their products. Climate change is real and caused by humans. We need to press charges in a Humanity backed class action lawsuit. To press charges for the deaths that have occurred from climate change, and the deaths of all life which will be certain to be near total if we continue on this path. We are in the 6th great mass extinction. I am pressing charges for the death of all life on this planet. Attempted murder of all life on this planet against fossil fuel companies. Join me!
An example to how fossil fuel companies attributed to death of others and life is heat waves have killed people like the 52000 people who died in Europe in 2003. The droughts in Africa have led people to die of starvation. What is causing the heat waves and droughts in the extreme that it is today, is climate change caused by fossil fuels. The general public isn’t guilty because the oligopoly which sells oil prevents us from having the clean energy alternative. This is where their guilt lies. Third degree murder. Which means it isn’t deliberate to kill people, but it is happening. If it is deliberate, then it becomes 1st degree. People doing misinformation campaigns on climate change are either guilty of 1st or 3rd degree murder. THIS MUST STOP! Please sign!”

Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
February 4, 2015 2:53 am

Just this morning the BBC reported that in the current cold spell in England , in just 2 weeks 28000 people died from the cold and flu , compared to an average of 20 000 in past 5 years . Most of them are elderly or sick . A previous report , before Christmas, said that 1/3 of the elderly could only afford to heat one room in the house because of heating costs , a cost exaggerated by the need to provide rich landowners and energy companies with enough subsidy to persuade them to put up wind turbines .
So how well are the latter doing on these freezing , still days? . As of a few minutes ago , metered wind power was providing 2GW (4%) whist gas and coal provided 33GW (70%). Our next PM, Milliband ,wants to close all coal power stations and his possible coalition partner , Scottish national Party , want to replace every single fossil fuel and nuclear power plant by wind farms over the whole of the UK .

Anything is possible
February 3, 2015 3:02 pm

Barry Aubin is in “good” company, just the other day some lunatic was comparing CO2 to cyanide :

Reply to  Anything is possible
February 3, 2015 10:37 pm

He’s right about one thing–both CO2 and cyanide will fertilize plants.

John Catley
February 3, 2015 3:04 pm

It’s a rant pushing a silly online petition from someone who seems rather deranged.
175 signatories so far.
They want 10,000. Good luck with that.

John Boles
February 3, 2015 3:06 pm

The true believers think that us skeptics (deniers) should have to go without carbon-derived energy merely because we are skeptics, but the greenies can use it because they are believers, and that is all that counts with them. They need a bogeyman, someone to vilify, and that is us skeptics.

February 3, 2015 3:06 pm

They seem to be most interested in global drought. I wish this graph could be updated through 2014:

John Boles
February 3, 2015 3:08 pm

Hey Joe Bastardi, you out there? Have not heard from you lately, I enjoy reading your articles. Best regards!

February 3, 2015 3:17 pm

Some people like Mr Aubin suffer from self castration to save the world, their pain comes out in their tortured twitters, and desperate delusion the cutting edge of self induced misery!

Andrew N
February 3, 2015 3:33 pm

Intellectual debate 140 characters at a time. There are those who feel that twitter adds to the sum of human knowledge and then there are those who don’t use twitter.

February 3, 2015 3:51 pm

I do believe there is a climate. I really do. The only thing I ask is that these alarmists lead by example rather than by words alone. When they succeed in lowering their own carbon footprint to the same level as mine, then I’ll start listening to them again. Until then, their words are nothing but hot air because their actions provide no evidence they actually believe their own alarmist words.

Reply to  Louis
February 3, 2015 4:26 pm

Louis: “I do believe there is a climate. I really do.”
Actually, there are many climates, all over the Earth, and they are constantly changing, some quickly, some slowly. What there is not is a ‘global climate’.
/Mr Lynn

Reply to  Louis
February 3, 2015 5:06 pm

How much CO2 does an alarmist contribute by exhaling over their lifetime?
If they saw the actual contribution they may get depressed and shut up. Anyone done the calculation? I would do it but im too busy doing other things.

Reply to  Mick
February 3, 2015 10:38 pm

…as much as anybody else. Problem is, they don’t consider themselves as part of the problem/solution.

Bruce Cobb
February 3, 2015 3:59 pm

More climate madness from Choo-Choo Pachauri:
Climate Liars have lately been latching on to drought, due of course to “climate change”. Whatever sells.

February 3, 2015 4:16 pm

These nitwits are just a rebranded version of the anarchists of the 1980’s. They can’t fit into the modern world so they imagine themselves as leaders towards some alternative reality. Sad.

February 3, 2015 4:26 pm

If there is one truth I’ve learned about leftists in my years is that under the banners of ‘being open minded’ and ‘diversity’ and ‘caring for humanity’ they in fact hate people, especially those who don’t hate people.
Gaia = all that is good
People = all that is evil

February 3, 2015 4:34 pm

Barry Aubin
@AzalCrow #Climate #denial is a form of #murder! Press charges!
Pls Sign! RT #Koch
1:19 PM – 3 Feb 2015

Barry Aubin self-nominated to be a climate change fanatic and nut.
Intellectually, who are the creators of climate change fanatics like Barry Aubin? Oreskes and Hansen?
As to strategies against a fanatic like Barry Aubin, the best one,

It appears to me that one defeats the fanatic precisely by not being a fanatic oneself, but on the contrary by using one’s intelligence.
George Orwell


February 3, 2015 5:01 pm

“@AzalCrow #Climate #denial is a form of #murder! Press charges!”
This must surely count as proof-positive of the existence of parallel universes, in which these people live and work. Their universe does not seem to be connected to ours, except via Twitter.

Frank Kotler
February 3, 2015 5:12 pm

On with their heads!

February 3, 2015 5:25 pm

Just another form of bullying. Until they pay a price, it will not stop.
Like I said before, crowdsource funding and bring them to justice via legal process and watch it stop.
Who will step up?

February 3, 2015 5:37 pm

Far as I can see, the only things being murdered are climate models. Isn’t that Mannslaughter?

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
February 3, 2015 10:40 pm

….dead petaflops are piling up all over.

February 3, 2015 5:47 pm

The worst offenders are those like the POTUS who makes derogatory wise cracks about others while he probably has the biggest carbon footprint of anyone in the entire world, jumping into a plane with a large entourage of political sheepole wasting fossil fuels for no apparent valid purpose.
Similarly there are numerous conferences and meetings where global warming advocates and alternative green energy assemble in expensive resorts in the name of controlling CO2 while discharging many times the emissions of the common folk who are taxed for their needs to keep warm and travel to work.

February 3, 2015 6:02 pm

amazing one….

Rick Bradford
February 3, 2015 6:13 pm

Executing deniers is not a new or unusual idea. From Professor Richard Parncutt, University of Graz,
**”I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases. Even mass murderers like Breivik should not be executed, in my opinion. GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. If a jury of suitably qualified scientists estimated that a given GW denier had already, with high probability (say 95%), caused the deaths of over one million future people, then s/he would be sentenced to death.”**

Reply to  Rick Bradford
February 3, 2015 8:33 pm

Rick Bradford,
Correctomundo. Killing people they disagree with is a common thread that runs throughout the climate alarmist crowd, and enviros in general:
National Clean Energy Summit With Reid and Schwarzenegger
Speaking of greenhouse gas deniers: “Strap some conservative-thinking people to a tailpipe for an hour and then they will agree it’s a pollutant!
source Arnold Schwarzenegger – 2013
Dr. James Hansen:
“CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature. If their campaigns continue and “succeed” in confusing the public, I anticipate testifying against relevant CEOs in future public trials….”
Huffington Post – 2008
Concerts for a Climate in Crisis:
“This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors.”
Robert F. Kennedy Jr – 2007
“When we’ve finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we’re in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these bastards — some sort of climate Nuremberg.”
David Roberts – Grist – 2006
David Suzuki:
“What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there’s a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they’re doing is a criminal act,” said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. “It’s an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years.”
David Suzuki – 2008
NYT suggests ‘deniers’ should be stabbed through the heart – like vampires:
WUWT – 2014
“They are the same people who deny the link between smoking and cancer,” he said. “They are people who say that asbestos is as good as talcum powder – and I hope they put it on their faces every day.”
Dr. Rajendra Pachauri – 2010
Greenpeace member:
If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.And we be many, but you be few.
Greenpeace Gene From India – 2010
Resistance at individual and societal levels must be recognized and treated…This kind of cultural resistance to very significant social threat is something that we would expect in any society facing a massive threat,”
Professor Kari Norgaard – 2012
Typical Green Party BS:
Get rid of any cabinet ministers or senior governmental advisers who refuse to accept the scientific consensus on climate change or who won’t take the risks to the UK seriously.”
source Green Party of England and Wales – 2014
Death penalty for global warming deniers?
At the end of that process, some GW deniers would never admit their mistake and as a result they would be executed. Perhaps that would be the only way to stop the rest of them. The death penalty would have been justified in terms of the enormous numbers of saved future lives.”
Richard Parncutt, Professor of Systematic Musicology, University of Graz – 2012
[I think many were posted by Jimbo, but I forgot to save the attribution]

Reply to  dbstealey
February 3, 2015 9:46 pm

Here it is from me. One link means you don’t have to wait in the moderation box, but include the quotes.
Proposed treatment of sceptics

Reply to  dbstealey
February 4, 2015 5:10 am

The ugliness of these comments makes them the kind of people that could man a guard tower at a re-[education camp.
Your conscience does not keep ;you from doing it.
It just keeps ;you from enjoying it.

Reply to  dbstealey
February 7, 2015 12:04 pm

“At the end of that process, some GW deniers would never admit their mistake and as a result they would be executed. Perhaps that would be the only way to stop the rest of them. The death penalty would have been justified in terms of the enormous numbers of saved future lives.”
Richard Parncutt, Professor of Systematic Musicology, University of Graz – 2012
The appropriate penalty for Prof. Parncutt [in the Greek Hadesian way of al a Sisyphus and Tantalus] — he is condemned to continuously be hearing the Bach Goldberg Variations played on a mistuned Harpsichord where middle C wanders randomly +/- 5 Hz from Variation to Variation while standing in an Austrian Meadow in full Summer splendor while a wintry mix of snow, sleet and freezing rain falls only on him

February 3, 2015 6:27 pm

George E. Smith wrote (February 3, 2015 at 4:40 pm):
The kids and adults were lined up outside a clinic, and when it was their turn, someone shoved a hose up their garment sleeves, or leggings and literally engulfed them in DDT powder.
People didn’t seem to understand that it was the mosquitoes that needed to be sprayed; not the people.

I, too, am ancient enough to have watched those films. They weren’t spraying individuals with DDT for malaria, but to kill lice infestations. Lice are nasty beasts that suck their human host’s blood, weakening them. Human body lice also transmit diseases (such as typhus) from one host to the next.
To louse-infested survivors of the Second World War and the poor and hungry in many nations, the cloud of DDT meant that all the lice that were biting them would die within an hour or so. Better living through chemistry!

Reply to  Colonial
February 3, 2015 7:13 pm

Italy, North Africa. Central and Western Europe. Notice that the centralized Communist “government health care” in the countries and populations newly conquered by the Soviet Union failed to protect their own populations’ health.

Mac the Knife
February 3, 2015 6:47 pm

Bill Engvall has a solution for folks like Barry Aubin. Hang an “I’m Stupid” sign on them.
Here’s Your Sign! – Bill Engvall

February 3, 2015 7:27 pm

Anthony, I think I can answer your question. THESE special type of morons come from our public indoctrination centers, formerly known as schools and colleges.
These special morons have formed their “opinion” based on NOTHING else but what they’ve seen on the mainstream media, or new media, for that matter, or read about in electronic or print media.
Their “opinions” are NEVER based in FACTS, just EMOTIONS.
Hope that helps, Anthony. Keep up the good work.

February 3, 2015 7:31 pm

Come to think of it,… have there actually been any deaths legitimately blamed global warming? How does questioning the validity of consensus and prediction make one a killer anyway?

Old Man of the Forest
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
February 4, 2015 5:34 am

As Global Warming can be blamed for everything including more rain and less rain it is obviously responsible for every flood or drought victim in the last 50 years.

February 3, 2015 7:44 pm

“Where do these people come from, and how is it they have such a warped sense of reality and scale?”

Not really a mystery Anthony, common garden-variety mental impairment, of someone who’s not recognized and not admitted they have a functional brain impairment issue or illness, and are still putting nutty hype into their undermined brain anyway, so out comes such ‘sensible’ conclusions.
Possibly aided by trenchant chemical abuse associated with the natural leafy herbal correctives Gaia produces to relax its worshipers and make them think clearer and better development an advanced sense of morality (you can see that from the implied analysis leading to those conclusions), and thus provides the necessary deep insights into how Gaia wishes humanity to be. And if you up the dosage and hang in there with it, it becomes even clearer, because Gaia then starts talking back to you directly, and uses your own brain and mouth to do it! Bonus!
It’s like a cosmic 2-way radio man!!
And Gaia keeps saying, “Kill the recalcitrant apes, kill them NOW!”
If you opened your mind up to other possibilities and put some effort into extending your moral consciousness and emotional quotient you would understand the higher source of such tweets, and comprehend a bigger picture or human and planetary integration of mind, man.
Hey man, it happens!

February 3, 2015 7:44 pm

It just goes to show that in politics, being a complete idiot is not a left or right thing.
The difference being that the left wing is perceived as more intelligent because surveys show they are generally better educated. What I have learned is that being a complete idiot is a condition quite unrelated to educational history.

Reply to  Alx
February 3, 2015 8:15 pm

“The difference being that the left wing is perceived as more intelligent because surveys show they are generally better educated…”
The difference is an educated person would not waste there (their, they’re) time on such surveys. Lefties are so full of their own glorification as to line up to be counted. lol

Reply to  Alx
February 3, 2015 8:18 pm

You could obtain the best education in the world but if your character and choices are that of a spineless toady who seeks consensus and approval, and won’t actually think for yourself, even after swearing black and blue that you will and do – but don’t – what good is that best of educations?
A dreadfully feeble distorted education would have been quite sufficient for that person’s practical functional, social and research capacity requirements.
i.e. mostly it isn’t education levels achieved that impede. Their mind is working per a reverse-function laxative all the time, sucking up the ambient collective conclusions of the similarly impaired consensus.
Teachers put a mountain of meme rubbish in our head. Our task is to filter out and eliminate that rubbish. If you don’t develop or don’t possess a talent for detecting and filtering out that rubbish, constantly entering the mind, the reverse laxative effect keeps putting more and more rubbish in there, and you end up with educated utter idiots, talking the stuff laxatives are meant to remove.
And they are an overwhelming majority, that constitute and electorate’s core voters, from which come the representatives, who are likewise the purest quintessence of the reverse laxative effect.
Hence public policy and its mainstream narratives.

Reply to  Unmentionable
February 3, 2015 9:09 pm

The life cycle of flies. I’ve always claimed it is a genetic inability to not follow the herd over a cliff. Thus the term “sheeple?” I’d laugh, but it is a serious problem of humanity that is irritatingly and mind boggling sad. It is why human history is so repetitive. Here today, gone tomorrow.

February 3, 2015 8:02 pm

The useful idiot must not have attended Carlin’s clear thinking classes:

February 3, 2015 8:10 pm

In honors chem we were supposed to learn the full name for DDT. A limerick helped [and it helps if you say it in a sing-song voice]:
A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain
The cause of his sorrow:

Worthless knowledge. Everyone has some.

February 3, 2015 9:01 pm

Folks, we shouldn’t be angry at this guy. We should pity him. Seriously.
This poor sot wakes up every morning believing that everything on earth, including him and everybody he knows and loves, is going to die. So assured is he of this belief, that he thinks people should be charged with murder over it. What a nightmare it must be to wake up every morning believing that doom is just around the corner and there’s nothing that can be done to stop it.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 3, 2015 9:21 pm

Fortunately, he has a choice. Stop chewing his fingernails till they bleed, or take a trip to Oregon where one can free themselves of such worldly grief and peacefully enter the spiritual world. I’ll provide a map. I feel no pity.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 3, 2015 9:21 pm

Sure David, but it was his responsibility to not end up that way, was it not?

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 4, 2015 4:42 am

I can tell you that it is hell . I wake up each morning closer to the day when the author of the Climate Change Act becomes PM , and there is nothing that I can do to stop it .

February 3, 2015 9:42 pm

His twitter pals remind be of the 1960’s flower children: enhancement by hemp. I suppose none use any petroleum based amenities, nor toilet paper to which noble cause would save a tree. lol
Barry Aubin @SaintAubinN · 9h 9 hours ago
Petition: Sue #FossilFuels companies for damage to #environment
PLS sign/RT … …

Reply to  highflight56433
February 3, 2015 10:18 pm

A cautionary tale of why drinking the bong water when your stash runs out is not a harmless habit.

February 3, 2015 11:25 pm

2 billion years of climate stability recorded in the DNA:
Who are the deniers now?

Reply to  dp
February 4, 2015 7:41 am

dp I see that it’s “a type of deep-sea microorganism that appears not to have evolved over more than 2 billion years.” I suppose being in the deep-sea helped protect it from overhead extinctions and abrupt climate change.

IPCC – TAR – 2001
The warming phase, that took place about 11,500 years ago, at the end of the Younger Dryas was also very abrupt and central Greenland temperatures increased by 7°C or more in a few decades (Johnsen et al., 1992; Grootes et al., 1993; Severinghaus et al., 1998).
Systematics and Biodiversity – Volume 8, Issue 1, 2010
Kathy J. Willis et al
4 °C and beyond: what did this mean for biodiversity in the past?
…….temperatures in mid- to high-latitudes increased by greater than 4 °C within 60 years, and sea levels rose by up to 3 m higher than present. For these intervals in time, case studies of past biotic responses are presented to demonstrate the scale and impact of the magnitude and rate of such climate changes on biodiversity. We argue that although the underlying mechanisms responsible for these past changes in climate were very different (i.e. natural processes rather than anthropogenic), the rates and magnitude of climate change are similar to those predicted for the future and therefore potentially relevant to understanding future biotic response. What emerges from these past records is evidence for rapid community turnover, migrations, development of novel ecosystems and thresholds from one stable ecosystem state to another, but there is very little evidence for broad-scale extinctions due to a warming world. Based on this evidence from the fossil record, we make four recommendations for future climate-change integrated conservation strategies.
Richard B. Alley
Ice-core evidence of abrupt climate changes
…..As the world slid into and out of the last ice age, the general cooling and warming trends were punctuated by abrupt changes. Climate shifts up to half as large as the entire difference between ice age and modern conditions occurred over hemispheric or broader regions in mere years to decades…….
…The more dramatic of the warmings have involved ~8°C warming (8, 25) and ~2× increases in snow accumulation (9), several-fold or larger drops in wind-blown materials (17), and ~50% increase in methane, indicating large changes in global wetland area (5, 24)….
Reef drowning during the last deglaciation: Evidence for catastrophic sea-level rise and ice-sheet collapse
Elevations and ages of drowned Acropora palmata reefs from the Caribbean-Atlanticregion document three catastrophic, metre-scale sea-level-rise events during the last deglaciation…..
…. Such drowning eventsmust have been truly catastrophic, involv-ing—to our knowledge—the fastest rates of glacio-eustatic sea-level rise yet reported…..The exact duration of the CREs is unknown but, given that the mini-mum rate of sea-level rise was >45 mm/yr,the duration of the 14.2 ka event must have been…..

February 4, 2015 12:28 am

Avaaz cancels two petitions in favor of people known for criticizing islamism and uncontrolled immigration for muslim countries (at least 90 % of immigration in France is from muslim countries): (French)
Avaaz hosts a petition against anti-islamism protest by “Riposte Laïque” and “Résistance Républicaine” in Paris: (French)

Chris Wright
February 4, 2015 4:18 am

When this becomes law, all of us here should be just fine. I don’t think a single WUWT reader is a climate denialist. In fact most of us think that there has been an awful lot of climate change throughout history, including the 20th century.
However, Michael Mann and the IPCC could be in trouble. The flat part of the hockey stick is the very essence of climate change denial.

Reply to  Chris Wright
February 4, 2015 4:23 am

What is a “climate denialist”?
Someone who says temp is 15° C when it’s -5 °C?
Someone who denies there are climateS?

February 4, 2015 4:31 am

Two things:
Can I sue this guy for getting first degree stupid burns?
Did you notice there’s no Arctic ice cap in the painting of the Earth?

February 4, 2015 6:59 am

A low carbon lifestyle in the UK where washing clothes was no longer a chore.
A low carbon lifestyle in New York city using horse power.

johann wundersamer
February 4, 2015 7:46 am

‘#Climate #denial
is a form of #murder!’
OK, accousations like
‘Climate DENIAL’
are sort of attempted murder.
Regards – Hans

February 4, 2015 9:41 am

Climate has always changed … naturally. The last change is that it stopped warming.
Anyone with access to the CO2 and temperature data, who was paying attention in first year calculus, and can extrapolate the math to the physical world, can falsify the statement that CO2 causes significant warming.
See this explained and discover the two factors that do cause climate change (95% correlation since before 1900) at . The two factors which explain the last 300+ years of climate change are also identified in a peer reviewed paper published in Energy and Environment, vol. 25, No. 8, 1455-1471.

February 4, 2015 11:19 am

Can’t afford to heat your home
“Some 28,800 deaths were registered in the fortnight ending January 23, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
This is 32 per cent higher than the average for that period over the previous five years (21,859).
The ONS suggested that the flu virus and the cold snap could be to blame for the increased death rate. ”
The Green Death.

February 4, 2015 11:29 am

All I can do is wonder why so many Warmers are pessimistic and death cult centered.
I’ve also noticed that Skeptics are generally far more optimistic and life centered. Also they often come from those professions most involved in solving problems, so are skilled at it. Engineers, geologists, even economists seem to be more represented. The other side? A lot of psych folks (who have high rates of suicide, BTW) and sociologists (often closet socialists, sometimes without the closet), along with a load of government employees who blow with the money wind.
But one does wonder why Warmers are so fixated on death instead of enjoying life… I’d wonder about it more but the sun is out and the pool is calling 😉 I really like Florida 😉

Die Zauberflotist
February 4, 2015 4:02 pm

I didn’t initially intend to sign, but when I saw the “#Koch” and learned that the petition is to be delivered to the UN (hope it’s the IPCC), I couldn’t help myself. Number 220 – .22% and counting!

February 4, 2015 7:43 pm

A wise person in the company of fools, is a fool. Who are the intended ‘victims’ in this account. Oh I am weary of this people.

David Cage
February 5, 2015 1:18 am

Forget the third world, here in the UK hundreds are being killed every year. Energy taxation is at the very least proven manslaughter and since engineers have long said the science was unsound is as much murder as when a man pulls the trigger after having been told the gun will kill and he says I know it is right to pull the trigger anyway for the good of the world.

February 5, 2015 5:56 am

Seems to me that these IPCC death cultists should go back to selling flowers at airports. Thanks for your tireless efforts exposing them and their pets for what they are. You are slowly winning this epic battle for true science. Us less educated, poor folk, need you more than WE realize. Too bad we are too cold and hungry to donate more than a meager token to help you.

February 6, 2015 3:13 pm

” Think pre industrial society in the late 1800’s. Goods could still be moved cross country by Steam Locomotives and by horse drawn carts on a more localized basis.
Manufacturing could still take place but only through the limited basis allowed for by Wind, Solar, and Hydro facilities.”
HUH !! — in the part of the US that I live in [New England] the late 1880’s were a thoroughly industrial society entire cities such as Lowell and Lawrence are named after the industrialists who built them or provided the inspiration. The Amoskeag Manufacturing Company built at Amoskeag Falls on the Merrimack River in the city named Manchester after the English city produced more cotton fabric in 1860 than the entire Confederacy using cotton carried by rail from the south.
From the mid 1880’s on [certainly the late 1800’s] there were plenty of telephones, and by the end of the century there were electric motors providing public transportation on the Boston Subway powered by burning coal.
What we [New Englanders] didn’t have in 1899 was much in the form of petroleum powered transport — that came post 1900.
To summarize: Nearly everything about your understanding of the state of the pre-petroleum fueled world in these parts is wrong.
Anyway — the best Survivalist Solution to the inexplicable sudden loss of fossil fuels is to gather your colony members and fortify a local nuclear plant — you’ll then have copious hot water for heat and hydroponics, unlimited electricity and a pristine clean environment as a base to start the restart of civil society
The moonbats can try to drive their Leafs using solar and wind power — as for me Go Green — Go Nuke!

February 6, 2015 6:53 pm

Climate? There’s no such thing as a climate.
(now I have publically denied Climate! Heh heh.)

February 6, 2015 9:08 pm

We could sell him and his cohorts some of these:
They run on steam from a garden hose run through a horse manure heap.
(No deviant a-t links. I don’t blame you.)

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