Josh writes…
A dark cartoon for the the start of the year following the shocking events in Paris and stories about the blocking of ideas and closed minds.
I wonder what will happen when the Green Blob meets in Paris later in the year?
Josh writes…A dark cartoon for the the start of the year following the shocking events in Paris and stories about the blocking of ideas and closed minds.
I wonder what will happen when the Green Blob meets in Paris later in the year?
Mark Steyn’s latest column.
http://www.steynonline.com/6744/hollande-daze
Seconded. Like most every Steyn column, well worth a read.
Thumbs up for Steyn!
Josh. On seeing your cartoon, my immediate reaction was unease – it’s a step too far. But having read all the comments, some of which especially davidmhoffer’s were excellent and thoughtful, I have shifted my thinking a bit. Thank you.
I can’t recall who said it but a twentieth century dictator once assured his subjects, “I support your right to freedom of speech and anyone who disagrees I will crush, I will kill!”
Hard to argue with that.
The key word is “your” – “your right to freedom of speech”: it should be “the universal right”.
I’d guess he was only speaking to his supporters.
Organized religions will be the eventual downfall of the human race. Unless everyone finally comes to the realization that it is religion that is the cause of all strife and unless everyone stops using their religion as an excuse to inflict their will on someone else we will never be free of war. If we can somehow overcome the fear that we cannot live without a god to worship perhaps we can break the bondage that holds us all hostage to some fictional higher power and then peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars.
Couldn’t agree more Tom. That day will come, but it’s still quite some way off. Although I am an atheist, I am very often tempted to let people have their beliefs without comment, without ridicule. I sometimes think, well if it brings them comfort, let it be. But your words are so right. Unfortunately, a belief in something for which there is no evidence is a very slippery path. And faith unfortunately is like a virus which, those affected, feel the need to pass on. And there will always be those affected who think that they have a duty to spread it by any and all means.
I would amend that to “organized religion” which I have left.
I have used photos of snowflakes in the Middle East to prove the existence of God.
Of course we are scientists and will produce these explanations of such that when water phase shifts into a hard form, these molecules bind to one another in blah blah blah, but we didn’t cause that.
The details are beyond our control.
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com and http://www.aynrand.org have articles supporting freedom of speech.
(I’m not direct-linking in order to reduce odds of rejection.)
Sorry, hard to find things on their new web site:
ttps://ari.aynrand.org/issues/government-and-business/individual-rights/Freedom-of-Speech-We-Will-Not-Cower#filter-bar?utm_source=bluehornet&utm_medium=impactweekly&utm_campaign=010815 should get the page.
For TOS, the slide show cycles through recent blog articles, look for the cartoons.
Just having a little fun:
Kenjisstorm is 2 minutes from running in the 7th at Santa Anita.
Finished 4th, gave them a scare though.
That is a disgusting article and cartoon.
The murderous behaviour of religiously motivated nutters has nothing to do with scientific debate.
This website may contain a lot which many would disagree with, but it is rightly free to speak its mind and its disgraceful to make any comparison with what happened in Paris.
The religiously motivated terrorists (actually fascists) such as Boko Haram and ISIS are killing thousand of people a month across a swath of countries, taking innocent people into slavery, burning down schools and using children as suicide bombers. Their victims deserve better than to have their suffering compared to the climate change debate.
That cartoon really is offensive – not to Greens, but to the victims of terrorism.
Maybe I’m not that easily offended.
The cartoon did nothing for me.
I’m still trying to make sense of it.
Something to do with “strange bedfellows” ?
It certainly didn’t send me into a tizzy.
Get a grip.
Didn’t offend me either – but it is clearly making a comparison between “The Green Blob” curtailing free speech (which is tosh) and the appalling deaths of journalists in Paris at the hands of terrorists. There is no connection whatsoever between the two things – it is just an opportunist piece of stupidity, an insult to those killed and the person who drew it should really think hard as to whether they think this is the right thing to do in the circumstances. There will rightly be people of all faiths and none, climate change sceptics, Greens and many more on the big march tomorrow in Paris – all standing up for free speech.
Seems like you are reading a lot into a cartoon (admittedly dark).
The rules of society say ya gotta play nice, you want to change that ?
It can get really ugly with no rules.
James Abbott says:
It is pathetic opportunism to try and associate two things which have no association.
Like Holocaust deniers and skeptics of man-made global warming?
The murderous behaviour of religiously motivated nutters has nothing to do with scientific debate.
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Au contraire, James. Sadly contraire. It has everything to do with scientific debate.
Militant Islam is not simply content with closing down freedom of speech, it also has a habit of closing down science too. Which is why Bayero University in Nigeria was attacked with 20 killed, it is why all the schools on Borno were closed, and it is why the school in Peshawar was attacked with 140 children killed. A small clue to the true goals of the Nigerian Islamists is in their name, Boko Haram, meaning ‘Western Education is Forbidden’. If you think education and science is going to progress under militant Islam, please think again.
And anti-educationism is not just a facet of militant Islam. Classical Islam only teaches Arabic and the Koran until a child (usually a boy) reaches eleven. Is it any wonder that Muslims are disadvantaged, in a competitive world economy? And the proof of this disadvantage lies in the Nobel Prizes for science. The 1.5 billion people within Islam have gained just two Nobel Prizes. (Yup, just two.) On the other hand Judaism, with just 14 million people, have gained 131 Nobel Prizes, just for science. (Yup, one hundred and thirty one.)
Now I know that liberals find such comparisons upsetting. And I know that liberals will always try and close down debate by shouting ‘ism’, ‘ism’, ‘ism’, because they hate the truth, but we need to recognise and deal with the facts. Islam has done nothing for science, technology, industry and civilisation for more than 500 years. **
Islam cannot do science because all of knowledge is contained within the Koran. And so a good Muslim scientist must believe that the Sun moves around the Earth and sets into a muddy pool, as well as believing in the principles of modern science. And yes, I have seen this sad dichotomy many times first hand, while I was there, with academics desperately trying to justify koranic ‘science’ alongside real science.
R
** Even the Golden Age of Islam is a myth. Not one of the supposed Islamic inventions from the Golden Age was actually Islamic. They were all previous Egyptian, Greek and Persian discoveries, or made by Agnostics or Syriacs.
Some of what you say, I agree with and I have been writing about it (not on WUWT because it is not relevant) for some time now. The growth of fascism motivated by religion is deeply worrying, including attacks on education by The Taliban, Boko Haram and their ilk.
But you are not addressing my main point – which is what possible justification is there for comparing the sick murders of journalists in Paris with “The Green Blob” ? It is pathetic opportunism to try and associate two things which have no association. Its the same as the attempts to links Greens with Nazis – in reality it would be difficult to find two more opposing world views.
The sceptic community does itself no favours with these name calling comparisons, its simply childish.
James,
The cartoon’s comparison is exceedingly relevant. Any shortfall in the comparison is only a question of degree. There are many citations in this thread alone, which speak of the willful persecution by the Greens, of anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. There are myriad other examples of Green attempts to muzzle all other voices, as well as calls for extreme measures of either governmental or Mob action against the unfaithful. So far, Green eco- terrorists in the USA at least, have only resorted to burning down homes and businesses and have only called for overt violence against others. Nevertheless, Green policies are unquestionably responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, to date.
The most fundamental tenet of modern Green philosophy is also the most dangerous idea which humanity has ever faced, that is the idea that too many human beings exist.
@ur momisugly Alan Robertson
The current Green philosophy is just an extension of the “back-to-nature” philosophy of the Khmer Rouge and its leader Pol Pot. See: http://www.history.com/topics/pol-pot
No disagreement on the unenlightened core of Islam and I blame Bernard Lewis for attributing Indian discoveries to the Muslim world. However, the immediate issue is not how anti-science they are but how belligerent.
It is their social vision that is repugnant and their attempts to promulgate it. 80% of Egyptian citizens endorse the death penalty for apostasy (Pew 2012). It’s less important how they feel about chemistry.
Josh does lots of good cartoons. This is not one of them. Lame, at best and a tacky distraction from a current situation that merits some time in the limelight. Greenies are not caliphists or daesh trash.
As an aside, James, it’s odd to call it disgusting and offensive and then say it didn’t offend you.
Yes but the BBC did push freedom of speech and right to offend as hard as they could. but missing their own strict censorship and denial of air time to those they dislike, the real scientists.
James, please tell me which of the following climate quotes you find disgusting? Also show me the ones that encourage “scientific debate” over ‘global warming’? Take your time.
I was wondering whatever happened to Ann Barnhardt. (a little crazy eyed, but brave for what she did several years ago with her bacon bookmarked Koran) and the response she gave to the death threat: (her original YouTube videos with these quotes are nowhere to be found now):
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“She has taken on Islam and they have noticed.
Here is her response to a death threat.
DEATH THREAT:
To: annbarnhardt
I’m going to kill you when I find you. Don’t think I
won’t, I know where you and your parents live and
all I’ll need is one phone-call to kill you all.
mufcadnan123!
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ANN’S RESPONSE:
Re: Watch your back.
Hello mufcadnan123!
You don’t need to “find” me. My address is 9175
Kornbrust Circle, Lone Tree , CO 80124 .
Luckily for you, there are daily DIRECT FLIGHTS from
Heathrow to Denver . Here’s what you will need to do. After
arriving at Denver and passing through customs, you will
need to catch the shuttle to the rental car facility. Once in
your rental car, take Pena Boulevard to I-225 south. Proceed
on I-225 south to I-25 south. Proceed south on I-25 to Lincoln
Avenue which is exit 193. Turn right (west) onto Lincoln .
Proceed west to the fourth light, and turn left (south) onto
Ridgegate Boulevard . Proceed south, through the roundabout
to Kornbrust Drive . Turn left onto Kornbrust Drive and then
take an immediate right onto Kornbrust Circle . I’m at 9175.
Just do me one favor. PLEASE wear body armor. I have some
new ammunition that I want to try out, and frankly, close-quarter
body shots without armor would feel almost unsporting from my perspective. That and the fact that I’m probably carrying a good
50 I.Q. points on you makes it morally incumbent upon me to spot
you a tactical advantage. However, being that you are a
miserable, trembling coward I realize that you probably are incapable of actually following up on any of your threats without losing control of your bowels and crapping your pants while simultaneously sobbing yourself into hyperventilation. So, how about this: why don’t you contact the main mosque here in Denver and see if some of the local musloids
here in town would be willing to carry out your attack for you?
After all, this is what your “perfect man” mohamed did (pig
excrement be upon him).”
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She did a facebook post just yesterday – hadn’t seen anything from her recently:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2015/01/07/the-one-and-only-way-to-deal-with-musloids-i-did-it-the-french-magazine-did-not/
I like to read conspiracy theorist websites, blogs and Facebook posts after events that prompt world wide mainstream media solidarity of narrative. Not because I automatically agree with their conclusions (though the desire to slip on a tin foil hat is sometime quite strong) but because they help one to break from mainstream propaganda by seeing (if this make sense) alternate propaganda.
On the events in Paris, the tin foil hatters point out that France just agreed to recognise Palestine as a legitimate separate state amongst other things. Obviously they don’t believe this is coincidence. I will reserve judgement for now.
My own opinions and beliefs are that everytime news agencies go into hysteria over something like this there are two very predictable responses. Many non Muslims will increase their intolerance against Muslims and many Muslims will feel repressed and sympathise with the terrorists.
The fear of terrorists, to me, is part of the same agenda as the fear of global warming and is being exploited by the same people. They both lead to laws that strip away freedoms and sovereignty from ordinary people and put power in the hands of an oligarchy of global elite.
Our Western democracies are perverted by fear of climate on the Left and fear of Jihad on the Right.
Great post!
There’s a lot of things about the story that don’t add up – too many things to mention on a site with a focus on climate. e.g people who get shot at near point blank range generally bleed, thousands of professionally printed identical signs ready to roll out immediately after the incident in a mass display of orchestrated outrage. One of the alleged culprits was in a class at school at the time of the incident: his classmates proclaimed his innocence when the media named him as a villain. An Israeli TV producer filmed the incident from the roof.
It’s those kind of things that make you go, “hmmmmm.” But you also get you labeled with Orwellian epithets by the online Thought Police when you mention them.
There’s also the important question of who benefits–cui bono–and it sure ain’t Muslims!
Best to do your own research as a skeptic. Looks like you already did.
I can do better than that! None of it ever happened! All filmed in studio. Charlie hebdo CIA front.
So the west can steal everyone’s oil and give it to Koch bros.
It looks like the 3rd ‘suspect’ was in class at the time of the shooting. He gave himself into police when he heard he was a suspect.
I noticed that Ann Barnhardt finally made a Facebook post a couple days ago. The post I made with original quotes was moderated (I don’t blame you)…
I’ll try to post again…
I was wondering whatever happened to Ann Barnhardt. (a little crazy eyed, but brave for what she did several years ago with her bacon bookmarked Koran) and the response she gave to the death threat: (her YouTube videos with these quotes are no where to be found now):
____________________________________________________________________
“She has taken on Islam and they have noticed.
Here is her response to a death threat.
DEATH THREAT:
To: annbarnhardt
I’m going to kill you when I find you. Don’t think I
won’t, I know where you and your parents live and
all I’ll need is one phone-call to kill you all.
mufcadnan123!
———————————————-
ANN’S RESPONSE:
Re: Watch your back.
Hello mufcadnan123!
You don’t need to “find” me. My address is 9175
Kornbrust Circle, Lone Tree , CO 80124 .
Luckily for you, there are daily DIRECT FLIGHTS from
Heathrow to Denver . Here’s what you will need to do. After
arriving at Denver and passing through customs, you will
need to catch the shuttle to the rental car facility. Once in
your rental car, take Pena Boulevard to I-225 south. Proceed
on I-225 south to I-25 south. Proceed south on I-25 to Lincoln
Avenue which is exit 193. Turn right (west) onto Lincoln .
Proceed west to the fourth light, and turn left (south) onto
Ridgegate Boulevard . Proceed south, through the roundabout
to Kornbrust Drive . Turn left onto Kornbrust Drive and then
take an immediate right onto Kornbrust Circle . I’m at 9175.
Just do me one favor. PLEASE wear body armor. I have some
new ammunition that I want to try out, and frankly, close-quarter
body shots without armor would feel almost unsporting from my perspective. That and the fact that I’m probably carrying a good
50 I.Q. points on you makes it morally incumbent upon me to spot
you a tactical advantage. However, being that you are a
miserable, trembling coward I realize that you probably are incapable of actually following up on any of your threats without losing control of your bowels and crapping your pants while simultaneously sobbing yourself into hyperventilation….”
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She did a facebook post just recently finally:
Exactly on subject, today on Breitbart:
New York Times columnist David Brooks discussed the free speech implications of last week’s terror attack in view of the intolerance to speak freely on university campuses:
“And so my point for this country is that if we are going to tolerate offensive talk, or if we’re going to expect, frankly Islamist radicals to tolerate offensive talk, then we have to tolerate offensive talk,” Brooks continued. “And we have to invite people to speak at our campuses who are offensive some of the time. And we have to widen our latitude in that area. And this should be a reminder that we have cracked down on that and we have strangled debate. And if you are going to stand up and say I’m with Charlie, then you should also stand up at home and say, I protect people even if they offend me.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/01/10/brooks-dont-expect-radical-islam-to-tolerate-offensive-talk-if-us-college-campus-dont/
What happened is terrible.
But let’s not pretend France or Europe has free speech. They don’t. You are threatened for, and many serve sentences and get fines for, blasphemy there.
You are threatened for blasphemy there.
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But only if you criticise Islam. You can blaspheme against Christianity all you like, and nothing will happen. You can dress Jesus in a big nappy, and the BBC will just laugh. But if you say one leeetle thing against Islam, or make one quote from their book, the police will be round with an arrest warrant.**
The problem with Europe is not that we don’t have freedom of speech, it is more that the freedoms we do have are very one-sided.
R
** I am Atheist, by the way, so this is not my bias.
No, if you question the holocaust, even the number of people killed, which is now holy writ.
Now, I tend to think it happened more or less as we are told (even though, as a child, I was told that Dachau and other camps in Germany and the west were purpose-built extermination camps used to kill Jews and then later that changed, for some reason, to the gas chambers there weren’t used for that purpose, but the ones controlled by the Soviets were—odd; there were other discrepancies such as massive adjustments about the numbers of Jews killed at Auschwitz, downward, without the 6 million figure being also adjusted downward; but do not say you think it might have been “only” 5.9 million, because in Germany or France, you’re headed for trial if you say that), but also that the west and the Soviets engaged in war propaganda, post-war justification, and some exaggeration.
Also, there are other topics that you simply can’t talk about without fear of prosecution in Europe. Europe very much has blasphemy laws.
However, speaking of talking about Islam, Charlie Hebdo itself was investigated by the French government for this.
And if that’s not enough, Charlie Hebdo published a political cartoon calling for right-wing parties to be banned.
Christoph Dollis
There was a Jewish cultural reference book published yearly. i can’t remember what the name of it was (this was some time back) and I happened to stumble across it while thumbing books in the library. Each year a new edition — a new big thick book. A long row of them on the library shelf.
I discovered this set of books some time after historians had reduced the number of Jews killed at one of the German concentration camp by a couple million.
In the older books the total number of Jewish deaths was given as six million. A few hundred thousand were shot outright where they lived and basically the rest shipped off to concentration camps as the story was told back then. All of this was claimed to be carefully documented.
The newer books dutifully reported the lower number of concentration camp deaths — but then upped by a couple million the number of Jews that were claimed to have never been shipped to concentration camps but were instead shot where they lived. In that way the six million figure was kept.
I have an odd sense of humor and I thought that was quite humorous.
By the way — i am 67 years old and the holocaust happened before I was born. Anyone younger than me who feels stressed by anything I said above needs to get a life. And anyone older than me? I hate to tell you this but the truth is you are not important anymore.
Eugene WR Gallun
That’s what happened. But it’s against the law to discuss this openly in much of Germany if you happen to think the actual number of Jews killed might be less than 6,000,000.
*in much of Europe
I have no dog in this fight, I detest all forms of religion.
However I detest hypocrisy even more.
Abu Hamza ‘radical cleric’ was only this week imprisoned for life for ‘Preaching Hatred’.
Anyone who even glances at the cartoons of Mohammed on the front cover of Charlie Hedbo can see instantly that they were designed to offend and provoke. In other words they were a form of ‘hate’ speech.
We (by that I mean rational, peaceful people) will never triumph until we take an even handed approach to this issue. Freedom of speech is a great privilege but also a great asset. When it is denied to one sector of society but not another you can only expect tragedy.
So I am not allowed to do a painting of Mohammed??? There are paintings of all the other religious leaders. What’s going on???
Try and figure it out J. Philip.
icons are not allowed
I really wish this blog would stay away from these issues. There are enough forums for this stuff elsewhere. What happened in my present home country is truly sad. But please, let this place be for science etc.
Jari, I am new here, but respectfully I disagree. I have a PhD and historically that is a doctor of philosophy irrespective of my discipline. That is there were ethics required. For us it is an ethics of scientific process and inquiry, replication of results, that awful transparency word thing too, but true and it is healing to me to learn that my friends here are ethical. It helps me accept their findings.
Sorry Jari but this topic is ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT for sceptics. Media outlets won’t invite sceptics. Some have called for the death penalty. A video was produced by 10:10 showing kids of sceptics being blown up in blood and gore. If Charlie should be allowed free speech, why can’t sceptics?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/03/the-silence-of-the-anti-defamation-league-suggests-they-endorse-defamation-of-climate-skeptics/#comment-1581627
In France, you can’t discuss serious ideas without going to prison.
Very good, Josh. You nailed it.
David Hoffer:
“first they came for the cartoonists”
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When a Mossad agent assassinated a Palestinian cartoonist in London, did you complain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naji_al-Ali
When Charlie Hebdo–an unpopular, floundering propaganda outlet–fired a cartoonist for the crime of criticizing your tribe and its culture, did you complain?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html
We hung Julius Streicher for his hate-fueled propaganda, and we’re still proud of it.
Double standards: don’t leave home without them.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/freedomofspeechvsantisemitism.jpg
Now this is a great political cartoon.
Your English is very good, but Julius Streicher was hanged, not hung.
Yup, Mike, we call it English but you, as a McMillan, should appreciate that for every UK English-speaker there are five or six North American anglophones. Just as Brits came to prefer ‘hanged’ to ‘gehängt’, we, over here rather like ‘hung’.
They could both be true …
For all we know he was well hung…
The links you provide falsify the claims you make. Given your past record of misinformation and outright hatred, no further response to you is warranted.
Actually, David, it was you who recently tried to whitewash the Isreali attack on the U.S.S Liberty as being one of those tragic accidents that clumsy little innocent Israel is always making.
But the Israeli recording of the incident was released by Al Jazeera recently, with the Hebrew dialogue between the military command and the naval crew proving that they all knew with 100% certainty (as anyone with eyes who can see a U.S. flag would understand) that the ship they were about to attack with napalm, bullets and torpedoes was American, not Egyptian.
(youtube: Special Series – The Day Israel Attacked America, at 10 minutes 20 seconds – see for yourself if you dare)
You probably knew that you were defending a myth at the time, because (i) the official story didn’t add up, (ii) it conflicted with every witness report (except Israeli ones), and (iii) you are not stupid.
And you didn’t quote anything from my links that disproved my claims – because you can’t.
I rest my case.
Do you even realize how far off base you are with your race/religious baiting comments ?
At this site you can’t even get anyone to agree on the time of day.
Khwarizmi says “When a Mossad agent assassinated a Palestinian cartoonist in London, did you complain?”
I have no memory of complaining about any cartoonist or their assassins. I tend not to patronize publications whose cartoons offend me. Such things exist in large number and complaining seems somewhat futile especially where offense is deliberate. Complaining in that circumstance merely verifies the effectiveness of the intended offense.
When Charlie Hebdo fired a cartoonist for the crime of criticizing your tribe and its culture, did you complain?
Faulty assertion. I have no information that Charlie Hebdo has any idea what is my tribe and culture; but since I am not a patron of Charlie Hebdo, I wouldn’t know it if they had. Others, however, have insulted my tribe and culture and I don’t worry about it much other than to be aware of the possibility that someone might assume permission for violence from mere insult.
Anthony, do you really want “The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change” to start to get in to this? I personally have vented my anger against these pathetic people in so many places already, marched against terrorism yesterday, I really do see any reason to do it here.
Freedom of speech has a lot to do with climate change/global warming speech. It hasn’t come to shootings, but look at the 10:10 videos…
Come to think of it, do/did they have the right to produce those 10:10 videos under the freedom of speech right??
So, you’ve done your part and nothing more needs to be disseminated ?
Or shouldn’t be.
In my anger, I was not clear, I do NOT see any reason to do it here.
If you are still around, please see my response above to what our post hole digger degrees meant originally regarding ethics.
How about a deep breath, Jari? Then take a sip of Sinebrychoff. That outta help.
@ur momisugly Jari: January 10, 2015 at 6:33 pm
If or when “off subject” commentary discredits ….. and/or confirms …. “on subject” commentary …… then it should not only be permitted ….. but should also be welcomed with open arms and an open mind.
To resolve the “truth” about subjects being discussed, the reason that a “cause” happened is oftentimes more important than the “cause” itself.
The outgassing of CO2 is the “cause” of the increase in atmospheric CO2 ppm ….. but human activities is NOT the REASON for that “cause”.
In my numerous internet discussions I have found that most all partisan CAGW believers literally detest any and all “off subject” commentary that discredits and/or disproves the “cause” of their “on subject” beliefs.
Free speech is like the freedom to dress how you like. I sometimes feel like I would prefer to be confronted by the police than to put up with sneers on the street for my dress sense and hence, the latter is a more effective way of keeping clothing retailers in the black (I’ve also been ridiculed for wearing shoes a few years out of fashion by a homosexual sitting nearby at a cafe. The irony was not lost on his friend who told him to give it a rest).
The similarities with the Charlie Hebdo atrocity is the way some women interpret the freedom to wear what you like. Its as if society legitimises rape if a women is expected to look after her own safety to a large degree. Its not legitimising terrorist activity to ask for magazines to not offend people for a cheap laugh.
Use your right to free speech for when you have to speak up. Put yourself in the sights of a terrorist when something needs to be said and then you’re on par with a sceptic.
We Are Now Only Months Away From A Totalitarian One World Government in Paris | Lord Christopher Monckton
http://kingworldnews.com/now-months-away-totalitarian-one-world-government/
http://kingworldnews.com/lord-christopher-monckton-broadcast-interview-available-now/
It’s a race alright, but the bankers are out front by a couple strides.
http://sputniknews.com/radio_burning_point/20141222/1016121882.html
Dear Edward Martin (upside down — wish I knew how…),
Still praying for your cousin’s family. Such a hard time.
Take care,
Janice
P.S. Thank you for the very kind compliment on 12/31.
Anthony, kill this post/thread immediately. Now you get postings about people who have” been ridiculed for wearing shoes a few years out of fashion by a homosexual sitting nearby at a cafe.” This stuff is not for a science blog.
This “science stuff” has turned into “political stuff” – not because of WUWT…
“Use your right to free speech for when you have to speak up. Put yourself in the sights of a terrorist when something needs to be said and then you’re on par with a sceptic.” was the point of the anecdote. Freedom of speech is not about the right to harass people.
Project much ?
(sorry couldn’t resist).
Thanks Jari,
Here is a thread which is concerned with the suppression of free speech in the world and how the agents of oppression make themselves known to all of us in many ways and sure enough, you show up arguing that our speech here should be immediately suppressed.
Someone (many of us?) must have really touched a nerve with you. That’s ok, if you’re getting mad about it, then that’s the signal for you that maybe a little self- examination of your own thinking is in order.
Jeepers, Jari, take a pill.
Tomorrow, this thread is history and you can get right back to discussing sulfurous aerosols instead of salafist a$$holes.
Lol, Major Frank Jari Burns, don’t worry, the fine doctors and warriors for truth can get the job of fighting the battle for truth in science done…. and discuss politics at the same time…. and ethics….. and…. even have a little fun, too…
Now. Go grab a cola, sit, down and relax….. .
That’s an order!
heh
If you think An-thony’s blog is exclusively about science, you haven’t been around here very long.
You are angry, but, we are still glad you’re here! #(:))
Ah, … ah,….. aaah, Burns, you’re starting to smile….
People are dying everyday over this crap, beheadings, machete attacks, bombings, a whole school of children massacred.
They are not playing.
Make no mistake.
Dear U.K. — You will see that I agree with you if you read my comments above.
My Major Frank Jari Burns comment was directed at one person: Jari. It was directed at one thing: HIM and his throwing a fit over the subject matter of this thread.
Jari says “This stuff is not for a science blog.”
WUWT isn’t exactly a science blog. It is a people blog, primarily toning down the alarmism of global warming but neither denying that it exists. The science of global warming continues to be studied; what fuels this blog are political debates and it seems appropriate to me to include parallel phenomenon; any way in which one human tries to compel another to his way of thinking and acting; usually with intention of gaining power or prestige in the process.
I’m sure all the climate bigwigs are really looking forward to the U.N. Conference of Parties in Paris next November.
A strong personal preference is to separate science from politics (admittedly really hard in climate change). But to mix in pure religion seems a bridge to far. Even if radical Islam and the Green Blob (aka warmunists) both try to supress free speech no different than Communists, and for the same reasons. Deal with warmunist ‘science is settled’, ‘deniers’, newly ‘delayers’ on its own terms. No need to mix in religious nutters wanting a return to the middle ages….
Ooops, they are the same after all!! Great cartoon, Josh.