Guest essay by Joe Bastardi
I am a bit surprised at some of the waffling in the meteorological community on the ENSO event ( then again, maybe it is I who will be surprised). Its evolving . I stated on our weatherbell.com site at the start of the month to get ready for the drop in the SOI that would allow the warmer sub surface water to come up and its like clockwork, its coming. Look at the SOI this month, and notice how over the last 15 days, alot of double digit negatives have shown up after a period that was basically a wash. I don’t know why there is all the hand wringing with this event.
The JAMSTEC el nino index has had this nailed from the get go. The REASON IT IS CALLED EL NINO is in many cases its effects mature late in the year, and the reason for that I think is that rising pressures over Asia force the shift in the global wind oscillation so that the feedback needed, when all things are equal, to produce the linkage occurs. It has been a mainstay of our idea all year ( if you remember the trashing of the Super Nino I did when that was being pushed). But its been interesting watching update after update hemming and hawing, the range going from the Super Nino in mainly public circles to an idea I saw last night, that low solar means no el nino. Actually the opposite is true, as every sunspot min since the 50s has had an el nino around it within 18 months.
Here is the sunspot cycles with el ninos in X’s next to the mins. It is not to say that el ninos do not occur because of the more standard ideas, there are other el ninos that have occurred, it is to say, that when the sunspot cycle is weak, el ninos tend to show up, so the idea of less solar radiation means cooler, so no el nino does not look good when confronted with the facts seen here.
Which would make some sense since a reduction of incoming radiation in the tropics, would have the effect of perhaps changing the pressure patterns and slowing the easterlies, allowing warm water to come to the top. In any case, check out the SOI fall pattern the last couple of weeks in the dailies
The latest daily
The warmer water is there, and is coming to the top
The JAMSTEC has had this all along, back in April when we had to debunk super nino hysteria
At that time the CFSV2 had this going to plus 2, the Jamstec had plus 1.25
The CFSV2 has this reaching a plus .8 or so now this winter, the Jamstec is consistent with its a shade over plus 1
It is interesting to note 2 things 1) it was too warm too quick, but maintained about the same value for the winter 2) The cry of the Super Nino crew that has changed from Super nino to 2 year nino, citing the CFSV2 is not agreed with at all by a) The D Aleo method that says in the cold PDO decadolly, these warm spikes last on average 9 months and b) by the JAMSTEC which agrees with Joes theory, and the physical realities of the overall pattern. That monster warm look in the Pacific 2 years from now is likely to be almost opposite of what it is now. Look at the current SST ( left) then in Jan 1958 middle, then in Jan 1961
Amazing, isnt it
Now a snide climate comment., what do you think is going to happen to the global temp, since here, the last 10 years,
when this predictable cyclical flip occurs?
Let’s remember while September was 1st warmest ever by NOAA’s bullhorn, it was 8th in the NCEP satellite era, 7th in Dr Roy Spencers UAH and 9th in the RSS. Of course if you look at everything, then you see everything, but if you refuse to look, then you blindly report only on what you see. ( especially if it fits your missive
Here in Australia we don’t need an El Nino. Repeat after me, “El Nino go away”, “El Nino go away”,”El Nino go away”,”El Nino go away”,”El Nino go away”, Ad infinitim.
+1×10^6
I think Bob is closer to the end zone than Joe (baby El Nino conditions only but not an episode if it shows up at all). And Oregon’s Pete Parsons is not quite El Nino committed either. So the question is will this be a full fledged sold out El Nino Episode or El Nino condition complete with a canceled concert? I think the previous Kelvin wave was the best chance and the powers that be did not take advantage of it. This current Kelvin wave will be too weak to kick start a sold out concert.
http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/NaturalResources/Documents/Weather/dlongrange.pdf
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/enso_evolution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
I would agree. And I still have this hunch that a small end-of-year uptick may be enough to “prime the pump” for a more substantial La Nina in early 2015.
Yes, conditions and nothing more. Not enough “heat” left in the tropical W Pacific – Mr. Tisdale should have kept his bet active.
What kind of el Nino would you get sandwitched between such cold high latitude NH and SH SSTs?:
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gif
There is something odd going on with these UNISYS maps. Other maps don’t show as much cold water south of Alaska. A glitch? If these maps are correct, the cold anomaly has increased hugely since August.
Looks like neutral to maybe at besy a quite weak El Nino to me from
the surface and sub-surface data.
That UNISYS SST anomoly chart is so much different that others obviously because
a different base period!(I had better not be lazy but look it up myself actually!)
Double-digit négative SOI values were mentioned a couple of times. Looking at the most recent 30 days (28 Sept – 27 Oct) I see nothing exceeding -8.3
https://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/seasonalclimateoutlook/southernoscillationindex/30daysoivalues/
In addition, the MEI index hasn’t been above 1.0 since 2009-10 except for one month in 2012.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/table.html
So … Joe .. am I correct in interpreting this as saying ….
1) we will have an El Nino, which will release stored heat in the ocean?
2) with low solar input, the heat will not recharge as sufficiently as it did during the latter 20th cent?
3) this will result in a rebound cooling, and we can expect to see a colder climate in the years that follow
Joe bastardi wrote:
The REASON IT IS CALLED EL NINO is in many cases its effects mature late in the year
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YES. However, the Oceanic Niño Index (ONI) should have already started to show positive values by now, and it hasn’t. Check here:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml
The ONI value for the trimester July-August-September (the last one available) remains at ZERO point ZERO. Now, go look at all the historical record for the ONI index, and find any one year where an ONI of 0.0 for July-August-September ended up becoming an El Niño by the end of the year. It has NEVER happened, since the fifties when the records begun. The closest thing that one can find is in the 52-53 season, where a 0.0 ONI in JAS led to El Niño, but this one started only in the following year, and it was a very mild El Niño (max ONI value of 0.8).
My bets are for a very mild El Niño like the one that was seen in 1953, and starting not earlier than January.
Paul Westhaver October 26, 2014 at 10:28 am
Paul, you seem to be very easily convinced. The problem is that Joe has offered absolutely no data to support his claim, other than the following:

regarding which he says:
Well, yeah, that looks convincing, until you realize that in fact there were a whole bunch of other El Ninos that occurred over that timespan that he’s conveniently left out. If you just include El Ninos that occur at the ends of sunspots cycles, of course it looks convincing. That graphic is a joke.
In any case, Joe says:
A “warm event”? Here is the MEI (the multivariate ENSO index) for the last few years:


I’m sorry, but that doesn’t say “El Nino on the way” to me. Look at the number of previous “warm events” as large as the current one that DIDN’T end up as an El Nino … and the current warm event is busy cooling off.
More to the point of your comment, Paul, I fear that the correlation between the MEI and the sunspots is … well … noneexistent. Here’s a scatterplot …
A periodogram of the MEI reveals no 11-year or 22-year cycle. A cross-correlation analysis says the same. In short, I do not find a scrap of actual evidence to support his claim that there is a sunspot-related signal visible in the MEI.
So until Joe (for whom I have the greatest respect) comes up with some actual evidence, I fear his claim is as unsupported as … well, as unsupported as all the rest of such claims that I’ve investigated. There may be a signal there, but if there is such a signal it is so far down in the weeds as to be invisible.
w.
PS—I’ve said since early this year that there would be no El Nino this year. Why? Because El Nino is how the climate system rids itself of excess heat in the Pacific, by pumping warm tropical surface water to the poles … and I’ve not seen the signs of the excess heat.
I would be appreciative if Bob Tisdale or Willis or anyone (Joe?) would post a plot of all the El Ninos for, say, the past 40 years or so against the sunspot cycle. I would like to see and judge for myself the degree of correlation, which might not be perfect, but yet might be interesting.
Thanking you in advance.
Here’s a good source of data for your comparison:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/bfly.
Put them together and report back your findings
There were 19 El Nino periods ranging from 5 months (shortest) to 19 months (longest) since 1950. The earliest start day was April, the latest was November, most common was May – 6 occurrences. Good Luck
There is one exception in solar cycle 19, the following cycles all have an El Nino episode at the usual local minimum in the solar wind speed around one year after each sunspot minimum.
Willis,
Willis,
I think Joe’s intent, when he posted only those specific 6 El Nino’s on the graph, was to refute, “an idea I saw last night, that low solar means no el nino.”
If so, his intent was to refute an idea; not to promote an idea.
Verification of his ideas about the EL Nino will be seen (or not be seen) in the next six months.
Verification of ideas concerning “The Quiet Sun” require us staying well and living to age 88. (Even then a cold period might be coincidence.) In any case, I hope you stay well.
I hope Joe is correct. Still doing my rain dance.
just out of curiosity, how do the ocean water temp anomalies affect things?
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/10/26/cold-water-around-the-poles/
and yes, i grok that El Nino is caused by a warm upwelling along the equator. what i’m seeing here in SoCal looks a lot like last year, which was dry, even by our standards. i’ve also seen people compare this coming winter to 76-77, which was the height of the drought back then: it didn’t break until 77-78.
a wet winter would be nice, but i’m not ready to get my hopes up just yet.
Snow depth or lack there of, near the Tahoe Basin for your curiosity without all the hype of the ski industry.
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?EP5
Some always expects the same results from changes in various items that control the climate when the opposite is the case.
By the way where was your governor of the climate prior to 10000 years ago? Did it simply come out of the blue for the last 10000 years?
You guys confuse me. This discussion is too complicated for my simple brain. So, is there likely to be an El Nino this year, or not? Live in San Diego; seems like it hasn’t rained in two years here.
“So, is there likely to be an El Nino this year, or not?”
No; the odds according to the Australia ENSO study center is slightly less than 1:1, so “likely” it is not. A few months ago the probability was given as 0.8 but just as in previous years El Nino failed to form, and neutral conditions continued.
… and yet none of the world’s experts noticed this “El Nino” event. How do you explain that? Are the world’s scientists just incompetent, or did your cult master lie to you?
El Nino conditions as a function of ININO = >0.5
Previous four months ININO = +0.32
Previous five months ININO = +0.35
Year-to-date ININO = +0.08
You were lied to. Does that make you feel upset? If not, you should ask yourself why not.