Via the Hockey Schtick – A paper published today in Earth and Planetary Science Letters finds evidence that one of the largest glaciers in West Antarctica, the Thwaites Glacier, is primarily melting from below due to geothermal heat flux from volcanoes located along the West Antarctic Volcanic Rift System, i.e. not due to man-made CO2.
Image from Jo Nova
CAGW proponents have alleged that West Antarctic glaciers such as such as the Thwaites Glacier and the neighboring Pine Island Glacier are rapidly melting due to man-made greenhouse gases and/or ocean heating, despite observations showing the air temperature in the Antarctic hasn’t risen since 1979, Antarctic sea surface temperatures have fallen since 2006, and ARGO ocean heat content of the Southern Ocean shows no increase at any level of the top 2000 meters since the system was put in place in 2004. The authors find the neighboring Pine Island Glacier also overlies the same volcanic rift system and thus may also be melting from geothermal heat below.
The West Antarctic Volcanic Rift System is illustrated by JoNova below, and just so happens to correspond to the areas of notable glacier melt and alleged warming. In contrast, East Antarctica, which holds > 80% of Antarctic ice mass and does not have any known underlying volcanoes, is significantly increasing in ice mass.
The paper joins several others finding geothermal heat largely if not entirely responsible for glacier melt in multiple regions in both Antarctica and Greenland, i.e. not anthropogenic.
Theresa M. Damiani, Tom A. Jordan, Fausto Ferraccioli, Duncan A. Young, Donald D. Blankenship
The Byrd Subglacial Basin beneath Thwaites Glacier is part of Mesozoic widespread rifting.
Thin crust (18–24 km) exists in eastern Marie Byrd Land and beneath Thwaites Glacier.
Gravity evidence supports hypothesis of warm mantle beneath Marie Byrd Land.
Supports the use of thin crust and higher heat flux values in Western Antarctica.
Abstract
Thwaites Glacier has one of the largest glacial catchments in West Antarctica. The future stability of Thwaites Glacier’s catchment is of great concern, as this part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has recently been hypothesized to already be en route towards collapse. Although an oceanic trigger is thought to be responsible for current change at the grounding line of Thwaites Glacier, in order to determine the effects of this coastal change further in the interior of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet it is essential to also better constrain basal conditions that control the dynamics of fast glacial flow within the catchment itself. One major contributor to fast glacial flow is the presence of subglacial water, the production of which is a result of both glaciological shear heating and geothermal heat flux. The primary goal of our study is to investigate the crustal thickness beneath Thwaites Glacier, which is an important contributor to regional-scale geothermal heat flux patterns. Crustal structure is an indicator of past tectonic events and hence provides a geophysical proxy for the thermal status of the crust and mantle. Terrain-corrected Bouguer gravity disturbances are used here to estimate depths to the Moho and mid-crustal boundary. The thin continental crust we reveal beneath Thwaites Glacier supports the hypothesis that the West Antarctic Rift System underlies the region and is expressed topographically as the Byrd Subglacial Basin. This rifted crust is of similar thickness to that calculated from airborne gravity data beneath neighboring Pine Island Glacier, and is more extended than crust in the adjacent Siple Coast sector of the Ross Sea Embayment. A zone of thinner crust is also identified near the area’s subaerial volcanoes lending support to a recent interpretation predicting that this part of Marie Byrd Land is a major volcanic dome, likely within the West Antarctic Rift System itself. Near-zero Bouguer gravity disturbances for the subglacial highlands and subaerial volcanoes indicate the absence of supporting crustal roots, suggesting either (1) thermal support from a warm lithosphere or alternatively, and arguably less likely; (2) flexural support of the topography by a cool and rigid lithosphere, or (3) Pratt-like compensation. Although forward modeling of gravity data is non-unique in respect to these alternative possibilities, we prefer the hypothesis that Marie Byrd Land volcanoes are thermally-supported by warmer upper mantle. The presence of such inferred warm upper mantle also suggests regionally elevated geothermal heat flux in this sector of the West Antarctic Rift System and consequently the potential for enhanced meltwater production beneath parts of Thwaites Glacier itself. Our new crustal thickness estimates and geothermal heat flux inferences in the Thwaites Glacier region are significant both for studies of the structure of the broader West Antarctic Rift System and for assessments of geological influences on West Antarctic Ice Sheet dynamics and glacial isostatic adjustment models.
Fig 1 from the paper illustrating West Antarctic region studied in red box
Fig 2. Geothermal heat flux within box in Fig 1.
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I started pointing out the loss of ice in this area was geothermal to alarmists when a new volcano was discovered last November. Of course, they were in denial even when presented with the data that showed no actual warming of Antarctica.
When the Schroeder paper came out in June I continued to point out the geothermal nature of the melting but they still denied it as the paper itself did not specifically make the claim. Now, we have paper that clearly specifies the ice loss is natural. I wonder how many of the true believers will still be in denial? My bet is the vast majority.
From last year-
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n12/full/ngeo1992.html
Work was done in 2010-2011
This may be a stupid question, but why not drill some cores down to bedrock in the affected areas and measure the temps?
I’m going to hit the post comment button once and hope my comment only appears once!
This may be a stupid question, but why not drill some cores down to bedrock in the affected areas and measure the temps?
I’m going to hit the post comment button once and hope my comment only appears once!
[Nope – Showed up twice. .mod]
Why am I getting two for one???
CO2? the magic gas.
first they use gravity to map the ocean floor…..volcanoes……then some moron puts two and two together
I believe the CAGW people will claim that these under ice volcanoes were caused by climate change. Or some variation of that theme.
You can’t win the argument with hardcore believers. They believe earthquakes and tsunamis (undersea earthquakes) are caused by global warming too.
Interesting thanks.
I recall that the warming of the peninsula was said to be due to ocean currents (by the same alarmist researcher who had to be educated by Stephen McIntyre on how do statistical analysis, the correct way showed only the peninsula warming not the rest of the continent).
This further illustrates how much is not known that is necessary to understand climate and ice phenomenon.
IIRC recent research found many volcanoes under the Arctic ocean (currents from the wide gap to the Atlantic ocean being a big factor as well).
Don’t be bashful, name him. Was it Steig?
What’s this from 1963!?
Sceptics seem to have been charting the course of climate science with a lead of 3 to 5 years (volcanic melting of polar ice, lower sensitivity of CO2, the significance of ENSO, PDO, AMO, etc – all going mainstream.
I’ve commented on volcanoes in West Antarctica on numerous occasions. I recall it was shortly after Steig had presented his paper on global warming hitting Antarctica that new volcanoes were discovered on the sea floor just off West Antarctica. A year or two later, a chain of submarine volcanoes was discovered in eastern Arctic north of Iceland and about a year ago, a paper on hot spots under Greenland!! Sceptics and other thinking people came to the conclusion that geothermal energy is a player in both polar regions.
I think sceptics have not only made a higher barrier for science to clamber over and had low grade papers retracted, but have been unwittingly leading new researchers out of the ideological wildnerness into science. It would be good to document this. It would be a good paper for the AGU with a forecast of where the science will be going over the next 5-10yrs. It would have been nice for me and others here at WUWT, JoNova, C.A., etc to cited for our contributions but it just ain’t done that way.
This paper says, it is likely geothermal melting of the base of the Thwaites Glacier is higher than for other Antarctic glaciers and that’s pretty much all it says. It helps explain why this glacier advances as quickly as it does.
No indication/suggestion the rate of melting has changed over any relevant timescale and hence no indication that geothermal melt has any contribution to retreat or otherwise of the glacier.
Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
This is going to cause the Sad Trombone to play for the Global Warming Cult.
The paper says:
“An oceanic trigger is thought to be responsible for current change at the grounding line of Thwaites Glacier”
The “oceanic trigger” is due to climate change.
“in order to determine the effects of this coastal change further in the interior of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet it is essential to also better constrain basal conditions that control the dynamics of fast glacial flow within the catchment itself.”
“in order to determine the effects of this coastal change”
Which is due to climate change.
And from the article posted above:
“West Antarctica is also hemorrhaging ice due to climate change, and recent studies have suggested there is no way to reverse the retreat of West Antarctic glaciers.”
http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/hidden-volcanoes-melt-antarctic-glaciers-from-below-140609.htm
http://www.livescience.com/45534-west-antarctica-collapse-starts.html
The above post is the third study of this year which shows that the acceleration of glaciers of west Antarctica is due to sub-glacial vulcanism and geothermal heat. Previous attribution of this acceleration to “climate change” is unsupported. Claims of “catastrophic collapse” of the glaciers and subsequent rise in sea level is the usual sort of exaggerated alarmism one hears these days.
Funny.
Long-term actual measurements of the actual Antarctic air temperatures since 1979 show that Antarctic air temperatures are getting colder.
What “global warming” (er, climate change) are you talking about? That the air temperatures are getting colder and causing the glaciers to melt faster in -35 degree C than they did at -34 degrees C?
Wrong – West Antarctica is one of the fastest-warming regions globally.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n2/full/ngeo1671.html
Martin,
The Byrd record is intermittent and the raw data shows cooling since 1991.
Your link is the usual ‘re-analysis’ smearing of temperatures with warming adjustments.
Then there is the issue of measuring temperatures near urban constructs with huge fuel consumption and an airfield where planes spray black carbon on the snow.
Unsurprisingly, satellite measurements show no significant warming over West Antarctica.
Nope. No “fastest-warming regions globally” down there …
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/graphics/tlt/plots/rss_ts_channel_tlt_southern%20polar_land_and_sea_v03_3.png
Oh. Wait. Were you thinking of the Antarctic Pennisula? That little 1200 km x 400 km triangle of rocky mountainous land sticking out towards South America? The one part of Antarctic NOT strongly covered by fixed glacier ice?
That the rockiest, least-ice-covered 1.7% of Antarctica warms, while the remaining 98.3% cools off, does not worry me in the least.
The abstract you link to says observations have been adjusted and gaps filled in with guesses.
Read about folly in Antarctica.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/13/frigid-folly-uhi-siting-issues-and-adjustments-in-antarctic-ghcn-data/
Martin seeks to support his claims by citing a paper with fabricated data, according to the admission in the abstract
Martin October 12, 2014 at 6:56 pm
The paper says:
“An oceanic trigger is thought to be responsible for current change at the grounding line of Thwaites Glacier”
The “oceanic trigger” is due to climate change.
“Climate” and “climate change” are the same thing. Climate is always changing. Climate is a nonlinear dissipative heat engine subject to both internal (unforced) and externally forced oscillations. In fact the very use of the term “climate change” – implying it is something anomalous – is a stark admission, and badge, of utter ignorance about the dynamics of the real world where chaos rules and back of envelope Arrhenius-style linearity is a total irrelevance.
Greenland and West Antarctica have been their respective hemisphere’s wild children for a very long time. In both cases nearby ocean sediments record the scariest 18O rides in the planet’s adventure park. These Oxygen isotopes record sudden warming that certainly would be catastrophic on a planetary scale, albeit before humans started burning too many campfires, but maybe they are not planetary in scale…
Surely this check should have been made before the first public claim that it was caused by global warming/climate change if there was such a subject as climate science and not just a rebranded one of “climate politics and climate religious studies”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11166917/Amazing-video-inside-glacial-ice-cave-in-the-UK.html
This is the inside of a stunning glacial ice cave created from the remnants of last winter in the Scottish Highlands.
The video taken by a climber shows the mini ‘glacier’ formed by a huge block of snow and ice which fill a gully – a ravine formed by water.
The cave, 3,000ft in the Cairngorms, has been carved by meltwater running underneath the ice and there are a series of tunnels and a beautiful sculpted ceiling.
In January this year, Dundee University geographer Dr Martin Kirkbride, told the BBC “a Scottish glacier existed more recently than we had previously thought”.