Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
The numbers are rolling in…and they’re impressive in a odd way. Based on numerous news reports, somewhere in the neighborhood of 310 to 400 thousand people participated in the People’s Climate March on Sunday, September 21, 2014 in New York City. The parade was, of course, a precursor for the U.N. Climate Summit 2014, which begins tomorrow.
Yet the results of the U.N.’s Global Survey for a Better World, also known as MyWorld2015, show “Action taken on Climate Change” at the very bottom…the abyss…of things that matter most to families around the globe. See the screencap below. If you haven’t had your say, you can take the survey here.
Looks like the 310 to 400 thousand people who marched in Manhattan yesterday have priorities that are out of touch with the rest of the occupants of this lovely planet.
Considering the object of the U.N. meeting, maybe the marchers should have been calling for “honest and responsive government“, which ranked much higher than climate.
If one in ten had a grasp of the issues surrounding climate science, I’d be surprised.
There is a Flood Wall Street demonstration being organized today.
Think “Occupy Wall Street 2014 + Climate Change Push for Paris 2015”
The Flood Wall Street Media List
https://twitter.com/FloodWallStreet/lists/floodwallstreetmedialist
Some twitter accounts that caught my attention:
@ur momisugly GlobalRevLive “Global Revolution TV”
Center for Bio Div @ur momisugly CenterForBioDiv · 14m
Civil disobedience training happening now as these people get ready to
Mike Hudema @ur momisugly MikeHudema · 15m
Now that’s a banner! RT “@ur momisugly Peoples_Climate: Capitalism = climate chaos!
gangolan @ur momisugly gangolan · 16m
Direct Action training happening at # FloodWallSt. # PeoplesClimate pic
Hrag @ur momisugly hragv · 5m
Carbon Bubble is getting out of control # FloodWallStreet # newyorkcity pic (
(big 16 foot inflated balloon pushball. )
The march is starting now.
They didn’t drive in 500 busses of activists for any Sunday picnic.
Bill McKibben @ur momisugly billmckibben · 1h
Nice to see big crowd on hand for # FloodWallStreet it’s a beautiful morning on the Battery
Jemma Rose Brown @ur momisugly jemmarosebrown · 1m
wear blue and inundate the banks at noon.
Sarah Levine @ur momisugly salixroots · 2m
Decolonize the water, decolonize the land. We’re changing up the system, we’re changing up the plan.
[Retweeted many times]
Tar Sands News @ur momisuglyEI_TarSands · 1m
Only question how brutal will NYC police @ur momisugly NYPDnews be against peaceful climate protestors # FloodWallStreet Watch live http://ow.ly/BM2Bo
Old Forest Wisdom @ur momisuglyoldforests · 1m
Only question how brutal will NYC police @ur momisuglyNYPDnews be against peaceful climate protestors # FloodWallStreet Watch live http://ow.ly/BM2Bo
“Feel the Force”
“I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
The AGW movement has always been more about the politics than the science so lets face it, the march was a success for the organizers who were determined to rally the troops. In politics you always want to differentiate yourself from those opposing you. Obama and his team are ‘for the planet’ and they hope that the voting public is left with the impression that the other side must therefore be ‘against the planet’.
A “tiny temper tantrum” from the drama queens of “climate catastrophe”. It was just a casting call for a new reality show: “Crisis De-jour”.
Ambulance chasers without an ambulance. Ha ha. No Frankenstein in the castle. Ha ha. Gore did show for a few minutes; that was as Franken close to a stein as he will get. Ha ha. 😀
And it’s been at the very bottom almost from the getgo! I first stumbled across this survey in June last year when approx. 622,000 votes had been cast.
So when I revisited in early May of this year, I was not all surprised to find it still> at the bottom (431,377) of a 2,013,830 heap.
What I do find, well, somewhat surprising, though, is that between May 5 and Sept. 22 they seem to have more than doubled the heap to (your capture of) 5,015,324 … and “Action taken on Climate Change” seems to have taken a giant leap to (your capture) 1,058,568.
Percentage increases in such a short period of time are somewhat curious, to say the least. But if they’re seeking a higher rating for “Action taken on Climate Change”, it doesn’t seem to be helping … well, not so far!
If one looks at the organizations that were on the list backing this ‘march’ you mostly find three basic groups:
1) Communists and hard-left socialists
2) Somewhat fringe-ish churches
3) Unions (potentially indistinguishable from the hard-left socialists above)
This is perhaps the clearest proof yet of the nature of ‘climate change’ as a substitute faith.
Watermelons.
It is really hard to build up support for suicide it tends to be self-limiting.
JEM, that doesn’t mean they cannot organize and intimidate.
Yesterday was just the dress rehearsal.
I wonder if today might undo what they did Sunday.
Occupy Wall Street @ur momisuglyOccupyWallStNYC · 5m
# BreakingNews capitalism = climate chaos # FloodWallStreet # climatejustice
Eli Feghali @ur momisugly efeghali · 10m
Some more pictures from the # FloodWallStreet CD training. Flow like water! pic.twitter.com/zcEEZyoYmQ
Retweeted by Occupy Wall Street
Anonymous @ur momisugly Crypt0nymous · 7m
Pro-Tips: Record everything. Stay together. Protect each other. The cops can’t arrest everyone. They will use force. # FloodWallStreet
Dennis Trainor, Jr. @ur momisugly dennistrainorjr · 1m
Massive sit in now # floodwallstreet
Harris from the Post @ur momisugly rousseau_ist · 4m
# FloodWallStreet did a quick U-Turn back to the Bull
Devyn Powell @ur momisugly DevynFromOregon · 2m
An important thing happening now. RT @ur momisugly eligerzon # FloodWallStreet
[chant] The people are rising! No more compromising! (Amen)
Christopher Robbins @ur momisugly ChristRobbins · 4m
About 100 sit on Broadway, heard another contingent is headed towards Wall Street # FloodWallStreet
Scenes from yesterday’s all-purpose-protest-cum-socialist-danceathon in New York City:
http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2014/09/our-intellectual-vanguard.html
There’s an election coming up in November, and the Democrats are rightfully worried about the President’s negative ratings. So this could be viewed as an attempt to create a false, alarming sense of urgency about the climate, to distract voters from the legitimate urgent global security issues (ISIS, Putin, Iraq, Libya, etc).
Remember “Occupy Wall Street” and the “1%”? That was a similar distraction to create class envy and hatred, just before the 2012 elections.
We’ll see another, bigger wave of this kind of crowd-activism just before the 2016 election.
This stuff is far more predictable than any NOAA climate model, and much more effective in creating its desired goals.
I don’t care if 300 million people were there…or 3 billion think CO2=pollution.
Science isn’t settled based on how many people come to a rally or respond to a poll based on what they think they know.
Sunshine +H2O + CO2 + some minerals in the soil = O2 + Food(sugars)
Increase the CO2 and you get more O2 and more food. World food production has been soaring with the help of increasing CO2, despite what the people at this rally(and however many others think).
http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/current/CropProd/CropProd-09-11-2014.txt
“Released September 11, 2014, by the National Agricultural Statistics Service
(NASS), Agricultural Statistics Board, United States Department of
Agriculture (USDA).
Corn Production Up 3 Percent from August Forecast
Soybean Production Up 3 Percent
Cotton Production Down 6 Percent
Corn production is forecast at 14.4 billion bushels, up 3 percent from both
the August forecast and from 2013. Based on conditions as of September 1,
yields are expected to average 171.7 bushels per acre, up 4.3 bushels from
the August forecast and 12.9 bushels above the 2013 average. If realized,
this will be the highest yield and production on record for the United
States. Area harvested for grain is forecast at 83.8 million acres, unchanged
from the August forecast but down 4 percent from 2013.
Soybean production is forecast at a record 3.91 billion bushels, up 3 percent
from August and up 19 percent from last year. Based on September 1
conditions, yields are expected to average a record high 46.6 bushels per
acre, up 1.2 bushels from last month and up 3.3 bushels from last year.”
Other than a a slight increase in heavy downpours/flooding and rain the last 3 decades(part of which was likely caused by the slight/modest greenhouse gas warming from an increase in CO2, the others effects, have either been undetermined(not a factor) or beneficial.
So we have choices:
1. Spend trillions to cut CO2 emissions with it resulting in less heavy rain events, while reducing increases in world food production or
2. Continue to let CO2 increase and add to the 20% increase that it has already contributed to plant growth, vegetative health and crop yields.
http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/co2benefits/MonetaryBenefitsofRisingCO2onGlobalFoodProduction.pdf
Tough choice……………….that is, if the above choices have been instead been framed like this:
1. Spend XXX amount to cut carbon pollution, with it slowing/stopping the catastrophic warming, extreme weather and widespread and harmful, human caused climate change or
2. Continue to let CO2 increase and allow carbon pollution to accelerate the catastrophic warming, extreme weather and widespread and harmful, human caused climate change.
My 32 years as an operational meteorologist analyzing global weather patterns and using them to predict crop conditions/production and energy use, make this a no brainer.
On the other hand, it seems clear to me, that almost everybody at this rally, have already made their no brainer choices……………and they are the opposite of what what makes sense to me.
What should I do?
Should I go with 310,000 people that are convinced enough to travel to NY to support their position, or should I go with my 32 years of observations, that includes looking at weather data/climate that dates back to when humans began to record it accurately?
I don’t care if 3,000,000,000 people become brainwashed/hypnotized and tell me that 2+2=5. The correct solution is 4.
CO2 is a beneficial gas. The correct policy is to let it continue to increase and continue to benefit almost all creatures on this planet.
There is no doubt about CO2 being a beneficial gas. We could even call it a “gaseous fertilizer”!
However, students in school will not see your links in class. They will see the one shown below. Hopefully they will grow up, but for now it is hard to blame them from joining demonstrations.
http://epa.gov/climatestudents/basics/today/carbon-dioxide.html
We need a ‘debate’ with the warmists and/or their political party leaders to stop their manifold of madness and its impact on our economies. The number of people who will march and protest, stand on their head, or hold their breath will not change the facts and the ‘problem’ situation.
There are more than 10 fundamental observation and analysis results that support the assertion that there is no extreme AGA problem to solve. For example: 1) there is no observed tropical tropospheric hot spot, 2) the tropical region of the planet has not warmed as predicted (two thirds of the CO2 warming should have occurred in the tropics which makes sense as the amount of warming due to CO2 is proportional to the amount of long wave radiation emitted to space prior to the CO2 increase, the tropical region warming, if it had occurred, would have been caused by increased long wave downward emissions from the higher regions of the tropical troposphere (see picture for details), instead 2/3 of the warming occurred in high latitude regions (rather than the tropics which indicates a significant portion of the warming has due to something else beside CO2), and 3) there is now more than two sigma record sea ice in the Antarctic and sea ice has started to increase in the Arctic which supports the assertion that the high latitude regions (which have cyclically warmed and cooled when there was solar magnetic cycle changes in the past) which indicates the planet have started to cool.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/search?q=models+predict+%22hot+spot%22
Green energy is a scam that does not work. There is no painless engineering viable ‘green’ energy solution to reduction total world CO2 emissions by 70% (note agriculture is responsible for 18% of AGW).
The only ‘solution’ if we ‘must’ significantly reduce world CO2 emissions (actual reduction in world emission of CO2 by say 70%) is a massive conversion to nuclear power for all countries of the world (paid for by the developed countries) and draconian restrictions on everyday life such as banning recreational air travel and limits on individual consumption such as banning vacation homes, limits on individual house size, forced moves into high density multi-dweller housing and so on which is not going to happen unless there really is a catastrophic problem to solve.
The developed countries have wasting trillions of dollars on green energy and the world CO2 emissions are increasing not decreasing . Protesting and marches will not change the fact that economic development and jobs are directly connected to low and reliable energy prices. China and India are not going to stop the development of their economies.
P.S. Note for some unexplained reason more and more (now up to 88%) of the anthropogenic CO2 emissions is being absorbed by the biosphere which indicates Salby’s assertions may be correct which is astonishing.
http://news.yahoo.com/china-us-india-push-world-carbon-emissions-084610366–politics.html
I would bet that most of these have never set foot into a voting booth.
Check out the banner at the top of this story….I think it says it all! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/activists-plan-flood-wall-street-143615260.html;_ylt=A0LEV03LTCBUrVMA_MZXNyoA
More Twitter excerpts from Flood Wall Street
Jeff Rousset @ur momisugly JRousset · 37s
The iconic Wall Street bull appears to be drowning in a sea of people power. # FloodWallStreet pic.twitter.com/dORFbEgCSc
Joe Jackson @ur momisugly joejackson · 2m
Crowd enjoying themselves @ur momisugly # FloodWallStreet sit-in; brass band keeps up buzzy accompaniment as bemused office workers peer out from windows
Joe Jackson @ur momisuglyjoejackson · 4m
Best guess at #FloodWallStreet turnout so far: several hundred max
Jamie Henn @ur momisugly Agent350 · 2m
The police popped our carbon bubble. We’re really going for more a slow deflation… # FloodWallStreet pic.twitter.com/tysvQgGl3m
And the critics:
Mike @ur momisuglymrjc1 · 3m
It’s pretty rich when moral relativists try to tell people that anything is wrong or should change. Ever. #tcot # FloodWallStreet
Zanesville Democrat @ur momisugly ZANVDEM · 1m
# FloodWallStreet Classic controlled oposition mission. Wall Street wants 2 trade carbon credits. They will make trillions. LOL What a joke!
james @ur momisuglyjamesx61 · 3m
Webcam view of the bull, from a few stories up. # floodwallstreet @ur momisugly macfathom @ur momisugly stopmotionsolo @ur momisugly owscasper http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/wallstreet/chargingbull/ …
Bull Web cam is:
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/wallstreet/chargingbull/?cam=chargingbull_hd
(Screen Capture of them removing the CO2 Bubble, 12:26 pm EDT)
Most of the twitter pics are quite forgettable. This one isn’t bad. From a Tourist bus caught in the crowd.
Follow the money (as you have been)
The People’s Climate March was organised by 350.org
350.org’s primary sponsor is the Rockefellers Brothers Fund
And now RockeFellers Brothers Fund has announced it has divested itself of fossil fuels and invested in clean energy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29310475
Heirs to the Rockefeller family, which made its vast fortune from oil, are to sell investments in fossil fuels and reinvest in clean energy, reports say.
All it needs now is the necessary PR campaigns with events like the People’s Climate March to convince people they need to give up fossil fuels and buy their clean energy products instead…
Okay, wow. The first thought that popped into my mind is how many investment companies are going to receive orders to divest their clients from the Rockefeller fund? Be interesting to see what their market value is at the end of the month.
It’s a tax free foundation (you remember how the rich put their money in those when the income tax was invented, right?), not a hedge fund.
I notice that they divested their oil stocks prior to the rally.
Wouldn’t want to risk having these rallies actually make a difference and having to worry about selling your stock into a declining market.
Yes, Wall Street has rolled out the Green Carpet. As the tweet above nailed it:
The joke is on us.
USA Today has a well prepared piece in this morning paper, ostensibly on the march yesterday, but with references to White House meetings last week.
John Podesta: ‘Unconventional Sources of Fossil Fuels Cannot Be Our Energy Future’ Dec. 10, 2013.
350 dot orgVerified account (Dec. 10, 2013)
John Podesta’s Center for American Progress has stood strong against Keystone XL. Will Pres. Obama listen with Podesta in White House?
Thick as thieves.
I’m seeing a lot of effort to whistle past the graveyard here. People going out of their way to show that this turnout means nothing. When you combine it with another attitude I’ve noticed here, that the fight has been won, I think everyone is making a big mistake.
The real problem with the whole scam is that it has been deep enough and lasted long enough that it has indoctrinated an entire generation. Many of the people in the march were likely only toddlers when Climate Alarm became the go to for activists pushing a cause. They ‘know’ the truth. They have been indoctrinated and it is going to be no simple thing to shift their beliefs.
Now, more than ever, this is politics.
All the people here, who have worked so hard, have placed a sliver of doubt in many minds, but the battle is nowhere near won. Look at this turnout and take it as a warning. There are still far too many people who have bought into this hook like and sinker. Please, keep up the good fight.
This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning. Winston Churchill.
It is worse than that.
Wall Street is in on the circus. Wall Street wants them blocking traffic. Wall Street wants fears of climate chaos. Wall Street will fund protests, will advertise in news papers and TV networks to spread the fear.
Because Wall Street wants the profits from Carbon Trading. This is a scam to rob from what’s left of the middle class to give to the rich.
What they really want. Turn everything off!!
Nice tuba. As they say, it takes two to tango, but at least one has to know how to dance, preferably both. Of course, real men don’t dance at a climate rally, and nobody is specifically prepared to answer direct questions, but give them a second to gather their thoughts, and they’ll come up with something brilliant like: turn everything off.
Anyway, Dave’s post of the actual video gives me a chance to expand on my comment above, about the nuke the climate hat, which I see now I took out of context.
The entire body language statement seems to be: Fossil fuels nuke the environment, if you read the bib first, hat last. His “gas mask” also has a message, the signage is probably removable, and Halloween is coming up too.
Finally, I began to think those are lady’s eyes peering out from the goggles.
Let them be them lead by example and be the first to do so.
They can move into huts, and fill us in on how it goes after the first year.
Were the Rockefellers on the march?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29310475
Seems they’re moving out of oil and into renewables.
Yea, but the Rockefellers are staying with the political power and pulling very old strings.
Let the subsidies flow.
BBC says the investment assets are 860 million.
Wikipedia says the endowment in 2009 was 3.4 billion.
Given QE it’s likely more today.
So whatever they do with the rest of the money; BBC is only talking about ca. 25% (but doesn’t tell its readers as usual).
Also, maybe they just want to cash in before the big collapse which is right around the corner. I would if I hadn’t already.
Capitalism creates climate chaos.
Socialism creates an eternal stable climate.
This has been known to all inventors of socialism starting with Plato.
Had a socialist revolution been successful in the Medieval, there would have been no Little Ice Age and no Maunder minimum.
Once the socialist revolution succeeds, our current Grand Solar Minimum will immediately end.
The planet will start to heal and the seas will recede.
Have these total demwits not learned anything since 2008?
The most important thing on the list was ‘Better Education’ because once you have that, the other problems will take care of themselves.
I believe that a while back the satellite people declared that they would just assume at least a 3.0 mm/yr sea level rise. It is very similar to the “adjustments” always used in the “official” temperature record.
Are there really that many commie, socialist, trotskyite, green, yellow, differently-coloured, UN-black-helicopter loving, world-goverment facilitating, anti-American/freedom/rich/libertarian/George Dubya Bush naifs in New York?
We are doomed and you have every right to be fearful for your shares and your privileges.
Don’t stop complaining and seeking out those conspiracies wherever you find them, though. Perhaps The Lord Viscount Christopher Monckton (if you ask nicely and deferently enough) can be brought out to lead the good fight(back).
“We are doomed ”
Nah, NYC is. But wasn’t it always the place where the insane live? What’s new?