Case Smit writes to me via email about a climate tour being organized in Australia with Dr. Patrick Moore, Greenpeace co-founder turned climate skeptic. I’m just passing it on:
Hi Anthony,
You have a huge number of followers and I hope you will be able to help this venture by letting as many people as possible know about it. The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.
We feel that Patrick Moore’s background and reputation will persuade many CAGW believers to meet with him and hear his story; those sort of people would not come to a public lecture. Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media.
Your assistance in publicising this visit and possible finding funding for it, will be greatly appreciated.
With regards,
Case Smit (Galileo Movement)
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Patrick Moore to visit Australia.
Australia is hosting a “climate information” visit by Dr. Patrick Moore (co-founder of Greenpeace) in October – November this year. Rather than lecturing to the “converted”, the principal purpose of this visit is for him to meet with opinion leaders in the media, politics and business to convey a rational environmentalist’s views on why policies instituted because of the “catastrophic climate change” scare need to be realistically addressed.
Australia was the first country to impose an economy-damaging tax on carbon dioxide emissions which the current Government has now repealed. However the Government still believes that the public wants to see “action on climate change”, so it continues with policies requiring billions of dollars to be spent to stabilise the global climate. Those opinion leaders that Patrick meets with will realise, as Patrick has done himself, that virtually all climate change is natural and that mankind’s contribution is minimal; they will then be able to convey this to the public.
Patrick’s visit will affect the future climate change policies of our government and present an example to the world. Such an example has the potential to be influential on policies adopted in other nations particularly now that our Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, has achieved global recognition as a statesman with his handling of the Malaysian Airlines disasters. With the G20 meeting in November which Mr. Abbott will host, he will have the opportunity to explain to other world leaders the uncertainties surrounding current climate policies and the desirability for the world economy, of scaling back such expenditures.
Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, our appeal for help is going out internationally to make this most important visit a success. Would you please help this initiative, with potential world-wide benefit, by making this appeal known to your followers and by giving us an introduction to potential donors.
Case Smit
John Smeed
(joint organisers of Lord Monckton’s 2010 Australian Tour)
To contribute via EFT: -Galileo Movement Pty Limited, National Australia Bank Ltd., BSB: 084855, Acc. No. 191696855 please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
To contribute via PayPal – click the Paypal “donate” button on web site: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/donations.php please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
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Patrick’s lecture at the recent International Climate Change Conference in Las Vegas is on video. It outlines his journey from eco-warrior to defender of science, logic and the environment. He explains his scepticism of “catastrophic” global warming claims.
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Nick Stokes is a comedian. Even when he is wrong, he is right.
On the archived Greenpeace page, GREENPEACE described him as a founder.
On the archived Greenpeace page, GREENPEACE has shown his photo as a founder.
Patrick Moore has said he was a founder and has provided detailed evidence.
Yet Nick points to boats and committees in a desperate bid to get himself out of his hole.
ARCHIVED GREENPEACE WEBSITE
Below is another from GREENPEACE. Greenpeace now realises that it was mistaken. 😉
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/greenpeace_founders_before.png
Nick Stokes picture?
http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm
I’m amazed at the ease and speed with which Stokes was able to redirect this thread into a nonsensical endless death spiral. Just so you all know, the Moore tour still needs some backers, not detractors, not deflectors, not well-intended knee-jerk anti-troll comments. Starve a troll, feed your intellect.
I suppose this makes me a concern troll (again).
Nick sometimes has some interesting thigns to offer. But not when it comes to things like this.
Stop feeding the troll and let’s make certain Mr. Moore has the greatest impact possible.
Nick has been shown here and elsewhere to be factually wrong on this topic. His motives in ignoring the facts are betwen him and his conciscience.
It is interesting to think that one reason a trollish partisan would fight so hard to derail a conversation and to be so tenacious in grasping onto untruths is that he is fearful of the outcome. I would hope that someone would resist the urge to be so transparently cynical, but either way we have to back those who can make a difference.
The delightful irony here how former skeptic Richard Muller, the Berkeley BEST boss of the other troll Steve “French Philosophy” Mosher, not only falsely associates his independent BEST project with Berkeley College where he has a day job but actively promoted a brazen lie that he was in fact a former skeptic at all, way back in the late 80s having adopted warmism strongly enough to resign his Sierra Club membership over their opposition to low emissions nuclear power. He then opportunistically debunked as frauds, the authors of the IPCC hockey stick era due to their hide the decline policy, in order to attract Koch funding as a big shot skeptic, potentially the biggest of all. That the latest hockey stick uses no statistical black box to hide its fake blade that turns non-responsive and thus false proxies into thermometers at all, or that Muller’s former skeptic claim is in two minutes Google destroyed, doesn’t faze these Orwellian opportunists whatsoever, for their real audience is laypersons and naive policy makers, addressed with mere soundbites and overall conclusions of their new parameterized data chopping black box whose recent outlier temperature spike is clearly falsified by more advanced space age satellite data with full instead of spotty coverage.
Well now you can you can punish and beclown these upstart hockey players by using their debasement as motivation to donate to a serious exposure of the takeover of noble environmentalism by sociopathic and elitist communists worthy of Stalin era as far as open science is concerned. So goes Australia, so goes the world, California having given up that leadership role in favor of making gadgets and hipster Marxism.
Image searches can yield some newspaper errors.
I will be writing to the Windsor Star and others. Here is some Moore 😉
The ‘Don’t Make a Wave Committee’ founders are Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, Irving Stowe, as acknowledged by Moore. The plaque above misses the date when Greenpeace Foundation was set up in 1972 and not 1971.
Looks like Nick has chosen the 2 day timeout. Just amazing.
OK, I pressed the Wayback Machine to the hilt to see if it could yield very early references.
I was brought to the above page by this archived page from Greenpeace.
Now my problem is this: If GREENPEACE calls Dr. Patrick Moor a founder, why is Nick Stokes arguing with Greenpeace? Peace and out.
REPLY: Even though he denies it, I’m pretty sure Nick is paid to do what he does. Nothing else really makes any sense given the predictable and reliable-as-the-sun-rises contra-logical thinking he displays and the amount of comments he produces. – Anthony
Has anyone ever asked Nick the direct question: Is it part of your job to post pro-AGW responses on skeptic sites?
Of course, given the way he parses “It depends on what the meaning of is, is”, you would NEVER get a straight answer.
Thanks Nick.
I too am convinced.
Donation will be made to ensure success of Patrick Moor’s Australian tour.
Just a quick apology notice to Nick Stokes. In one of my above comments I made the statement that Moore was involved with the DMAWC and inspected the Phyllis Cormack in 1970. This is incorrect, it was in March 1971. Please accept my apologies.
It must be stressed though, this makes NO difference to the discussion about whether Moore was a co-founder of Greenpeace or not, as at this point – 1971, the Greenpeace Foundation had yet to be officially registered as an organisation. Everything organised prior to May 2nd, 1972, was organised and funded by the Don’t Make A Wave Committee, including the first Greenpeace voyage to stop a second nuclear weapons test at Amchitka Island in the Aleutians.
NOTE: I just made the following comment at Nick Stokes blog in his thread that discusses this WUWT thread .
( http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2014/08/founding-greenpeace-ive-been-arguing-at.html?showComment=1408461177570&m=1 )
John Whitman on August 20, 2014 at 1:12 AM said,
Nick Stokes – This is my first comment on your blog. You’ve set your place up in a clean style. So congratulations. Although we often have little or no intellectual agreement I have respected your consistent civil demeanor over the years at various blogs. I imagine the demeanor will be the same here at your place.
In your comment @August 19, 2014 at 6:52 PM to Bruce you said “Somehow we’ve been blessed with a reasonable degree of civility on this blog, which I expect to continue. AW raised the unexpected funding that I might receive, and it’s very reasonable for William to discuss it. I don’t myself speculate on bloggers being funded (I don’t believe they are), and I hope others won’t. But I’m not going to ban anyone who does. I do encourage sticking to the issues.”
I have no general integrity issues regarding intellectuals (including intellectuals who do climate science blog thread commenting) being compensated for their discussion of ideas or of systemic knowledge or of events. At the same time I have no issues with commenters who naturally are interested in some level of disclosure about whether some other commenters are being paid to make comments in a professional intellectual capacity.
I do not intend insult while I will ask you this direct question. Are you being financially compensated for providing your intellectual services to comment at WUWT or at any other climate science related blog?
John
Over at Nick Stoke’s blog he still can’t see the light.
There you go again Nick. You must learn to differentiate.
1) Patrick More is clear about when he joined and who the founders of the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee” were.
2) When he joined the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee” it was NOT called Greenpeace.
3) You were repeatedly pointed to the archived pages from Greenpeace which said he was one of “the founders of Greenpeace”. In fact here are 3. But there are more.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020803142947/http://www.greenpeace.org/history/
http://web.archive.org/web/20020810202251/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20051216000251/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
This is your problem Nick, you now have to argue not with WUWT but with GREENPEACE. If WUWT is wrong then so is Greenpeace.
Try and get your head around this simple issue. They attempted to re-write history, thus the reason for this issue, and your own terrible confusion about seeing facts as they are.
Here is Nicks blog page where he argues that even when he’s wrong, he is right.
http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2014/08/founding-greenpeace-ive-been-arguing-at.html
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I received a direct and quick response from Nick Stokes at the thread on his blog about WUWT’s “Moore tour needs some backing” thread.
Sufficiently answered.
John
For all those who have commented on the $100,000 cost of the tour.
PM will be in Australia for 3 weeks, travelling between Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne and Perth.
In addition to International airfares, domestic airfares, accommodation, ground transport, sustainable, the tour is based around PM meeting groups of politicians, business leaders and journalists in small groups including casually during meals. While this method will add to the cost of the tour (hiring meeting rooms, cost of meals for invited guests) we believe that it will provide the best setting for PM to convince Australian leaders of the insanity of supporting unscientific Green activism, in particular, policies designed to support the failed CAGW hypothesis.
Australia is already leading the way is dismantling mad Green policies, this trip will help our country push back even further and in turn give other countries the confidence to stop the corruption of science and support of failed AGW policies.
Thank you
Paul Evans
The Galileo Movement
The Hon.Barnaby Joyce, MP, Minister of Agriculture, will be looking at your site, to get info about Dr Moore’s visit to Australia. Come on Aussies, cum on! Write to your federal and state MP’s encouraging them to bite the bullet.
And if I can remember, after the Inconvenient truth won the Nobel Prize and Academy Award, there was another issued, The biggest scam or something like that and Dr Moore was in it. It’s on YouTube.
“Old Nick” stokes the fires yet again! The inanity, let alone the intellectual dishonest, is breathtaking.