Case Smit writes to me via email about a climate tour being organized in Australia with Dr. Patrick Moore, Greenpeace co-founder turned climate skeptic. I’m just passing it on:
Hi Anthony,
You have a huge number of followers and I hope you will be able to help this venture by letting as many people as possible know about it. The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.
We feel that Patrick Moore’s background and reputation will persuade many CAGW believers to meet with him and hear his story; those sort of people would not come to a public lecture. Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media.
Your assistance in publicising this visit and possible finding funding for it, will be greatly appreciated.
With regards,
Case Smit (Galileo Movement)
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Patrick Moore to visit Australia.
Australia is hosting a “climate information” visit by Dr. Patrick Moore (co-founder of Greenpeace) in October – November this year. Rather than lecturing to the “converted”, the principal purpose of this visit is for him to meet with opinion leaders in the media, politics and business to convey a rational environmentalist’s views on why policies instituted because of the “catastrophic climate change” scare need to be realistically addressed.
Australia was the first country to impose an economy-damaging tax on carbon dioxide emissions which the current Government has now repealed. However the Government still believes that the public wants to see “action on climate change”, so it continues with policies requiring billions of dollars to be spent to stabilise the global climate. Those opinion leaders that Patrick meets with will realise, as Patrick has done himself, that virtually all climate change is natural and that mankind’s contribution is minimal; they will then be able to convey this to the public.
Patrick’s visit will affect the future climate change policies of our government and present an example to the world. Such an example has the potential to be influential on policies adopted in other nations particularly now that our Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, has achieved global recognition as a statesman with his handling of the Malaysian Airlines disasters. With the G20 meeting in November which Mr. Abbott will host, he will have the opportunity to explain to other world leaders the uncertainties surrounding current climate policies and the desirability for the world economy, of scaling back such expenditures.
Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, our appeal for help is going out internationally to make this most important visit a success. Would you please help this initiative, with potential world-wide benefit, by making this appeal known to your followers and by giving us an introduction to potential donors.
Case Smit
John Smeed
(joint organisers of Lord Monckton’s 2010 Australian Tour)
To contribute via EFT: -Galileo Movement Pty Limited, National Australia Bank Ltd., BSB: 084855, Acc. No. 191696855 please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
To contribute via PayPal – click the Paypal “donate” button on web site: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/donations.php please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
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Patrick’s lecture at the recent International Climate Change Conference in Las Vegas is on video. It outlines his journey from eco-warrior to defender of science, logic and the environment. He explains his scepticism of “catastrophic” global warming claims.
BruceC, ouch!
Daniel G. says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Nick is nothing if not consistent. He uncritically bought into the climate Team’s lies about global warming and now equally uncritically accepts the political lies of the current Greenpeace Mafia.
A better, more honest, self-confident person would admit to having been hoodwinked in both instances, but that’s not the way our Nickie rolls.
But WUWT would be less fun without his drive by drivel.
BruceC says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Did not know that. Killer. Thanks.
Wow, written letters and everything as evidenced in the subsequent comments .,……
OK, so who is doing an analysis on the metadata on the doc’s?
C’mon, nobody thinks they may see Gleick’s style in the forensic data?
Here is the Greenpeace website (archived image). Fascinating stuff.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/greenpeace_founders_before.png
Nick, in his polite banal trollish way, has derailed this thread.
Dr. Moore needs our help in raising awareness of how phonied up the climate kook’s argument is. Help to assist Australia in liberating itself from the shackles of the climatocracy is well worth the little bit each of us can give.
Nick is offering petty deceitful word parsing and too many are falling for it.
Australia is setting the example for the rest of the world- reject the failed demands of climate kooks and make rational energy and climate policies.
Dr. Moore thinks he can help, and he says he needs some help from us. Forget Nick’s pitiable attempts to detour the issue. Let’s do something that can help.
Jimbo says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:56 pm
Gotta love the Wayback Machines. That’s as good as resurrecting the temperature data from before Nickie’s partners in climate capers cooled older data and warmed more recent.
TO: Nick Stokes
Address this before commenting on WUWT any further:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/greenpeace_founders_before.png
hunter says:”truth”
You make a fair point sir. I allowed Mr. Stokes to get under my skin and derail the thread. I’m going make a donation.
Good one Anthony. Nick Stokes stated the same lie at Jo Nova’s place and got pulled up when he was shown Greenpeace’s own archived website showed Patrick Moore as one of the founders
http://web.archive.org/web/20051216000251/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
Then he comes here to repeat the same lie.
We have not seen any truth or integrity or good faith from Nick Stokes on any issues relating to Climate Science and he constantly lies and defends the indefensible,
Jimbo says: August 17, 2014 at 6:36 pm
“Nick Stokes’ first comment has been shown to be wrong.”
My first comment said:
“Greenpeace have published a letter from him in 1971 asking about joining a Greenpeace sailing.”
So where is it wrong?
sturgishooper says: August 17, 2014 at 6:39 pm
“now equally uncritically accepts the political lies of the current Greenpeace Mafia.”
I have quoted almost entirely the words of Patrick Moore.
“ossqss says: August 17, 2014 at 6:46 pm
OK, so who is doing an analysis on the metadata on the doc’s?”
Patrick Moore links to his letter here [5].
Anthony Watts says: August 17, 2014 at 7:10 pm
“Address this before commenting on WUWT any further:”
The document from Greenpeace Australia clearly has it wrong. It refers to the formation of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee in 1970, and lists Patrick Moore among the founders and first members
1. Patrick Moore himself describes the founders of that Committee thus:
“The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders, Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Irving Stowe”
2. Patrick Moore describes his first involvement thus:
“On March 14, 1971, the committee publicly announced its plan to sail the Phyllis Cormack to the test site.[3] The Vancouver Sun covered the story the next day including a photo of Jim Bohlen and Paul Cote with the Phyllis Cormack in the background. On the same day, March 15, Bob Hunter wrote a letter of introduction to the Don’t Make a Wave Committee, asking if he could have a berth on the ship.[4] My letter with the same request followed one day later on March 16.[5] The next meeting of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee, in the basement of the Unitarian Church, was attended by about 25 people.”
That Committee was incorporated in October 1970. Clearly Moore was neither a founder nor a first member.
Do you have any specific facts that I have got wrong?
REPLY: Yes, you don’t know when to shut up when you are wrong, now you want us to believe a document of the Wayback machine by Greenpeace itself is wrong? And therefore Dr. Moore is NOT a co-founder of Greenpeace because he was a late add to the committee that preceded it? Sheesh. My tolerance for your obtuse obfuscation has reached its limit. As I’ve said before, this is the sort of stuff a paid shill does. – Anthony
Good idea, maybe the Greens MP’s might like a trip too.
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 7:25 pm
The corporation Greenpeace has published a letter by Moore to the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee”, not to Greenpeace, about sailing on the ship rechristened “Greenpeace”, all of which happened before the founding of the organization Greenpeace.
If you can’t handle distinctions this simple, it’s no wonder that you’re totally bamboozled by the Team’s antiscientific sleight of statistics.
Pamela Gray says
‘That was back when “green wasn’t cool” (there’s a song in there somewhere) yet.’
Who can forget Kermit?
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 7:44 pm
Yes. You got wrong the fact that the Committee was not the Greenpeace Foundation. Do we need to draw it for you with crayons?
It would be better by coach/s, and concentrate state by state, with all our different micro-climates. And high altitudes, like the Northern Tablelands in comparison to Tamworth down in the slopes.
Australia is too large a land mass to cover in one trip, best keep to the agricultural zones that grow our food and export it. How coastal regions differ from inland. If he kept to regional 1 or 2 day trips, people could buy their own food, and pay for shared accommodation, and then cover the coach ride and some payment for Moore, I am sure people would be prepared to pay $100 a day for this, and local councils and MPs get federal or State funding to pay for the rest.
Much as I respect Moore and wish him and Australian skeptics well, IMO only the retirement and death of the charlatan Climate Change Team liars will end the insanity, along with 20 years of cooling while CO2 keeps rising.
Our progeny will look upon the craziness of 1977-2032, or whenever it finally dies its well-deserved death, as an aberration, a mass hysteria scam even more egregious than eugenics c. 1883-1945. I hope that fewer millions die from the Team’s anti-human ideology than from that of the Nazis.
If you want to take over another country without firing a shot, all you have to do is send in some enviromentalists and wait for them to destroy the economy. Without an economy they cannot support a military. You just walk in. You just have to have patience and a little help from the useful idiots like Nick Stokes.
@ur momisugly Nick Stokes:- Do you have any specific facts that I have got wrong?
Yep!
Patrick Moore was an active member of the Don’t Make A Wave Committee in 1970.
Did you know Nick, in 1970 Patrick Moore, Jim Bohlen and Paul Cotes inspected the Phyllis Cormack (aka; the Greenpeace) at the Fraser River docks to see if it was sea-worthy enough for the planned voyage?
October 29, 1971: On the way back to Vancouver, Hunter and Metcalfe proposed that upon their return, they should reconstitute the organization as the Greenpeace Foundation. Hunter borrowed the term “Foundation” from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy.
As the late Bob Hunter later recalled;
“The key moment of the trip came a day before we limped back into Vancouver. As we all sat slumped in the galley, burned out, Bohlen announced that he was going to shut down the Don’t Make a Wave Committee as soon as he got the chance. It was an ad hoc group and it had done its thing. Don’t do that, I told him. Why waste all this hard-earned media capital? Fold the committee, sure, but reconstitute it as the Greenpeace Foundation. That was my main contribution, yet the moment did not find its way into my manuscript. It was an element of hope for a future revolution, and I was not hopeful as I bobbed in the harbour at Steveston, heartsick and overmedicated, writing the story of our failure. In the end I told the truth as I saw it, supposedly as it was, never mind loyalty to the cause.”
January 21, 1972: The Don’t Make a Wave Committee resolved to change its name to the Greenpeace Foundation. The Metcalfes, the Hunters, Patrick Moore, Rod Marining, and others remained active. The Stowes and Bohlens withdrew but stayed in contact with the Metcalfes. Stowe’s closing financial statement showed that between June 1970 and December 31, 1971, the Don’t Make A Wave Committee raised $62,703, and spent $53,025 on the Amchitka campaign. Stowe turned over $9,678 to Dorothy and Ben Metcalfe.
May 4, 1972: The Provincial Societies office in Victoria, British Columbia registered the name, Greenpeace Foundation.
When Bob Hunter stood down as President of the Greenpeace Foundation in 1977, Patrick Moore took over as Pres. In 1979, the Greenpeace Foundation morphed into Greenpeace Canada and Moore retained his postion as Pres. of GP Canada until he left in 1986. He was also on the Board of Directors of Greenpeace International (which took over from the Greenpeace Foundation) from 1979-1986.
Moore was also present at the Vatican when Greenpeace was invited to a mass audience with the Pope.
ALL of the above FACTS are from Rex Weyler’s* Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World.
*Rex Weyler was a director of the original Greenpeace Foundation and co-founder of Greenpeace International.
BruceC says:
August 17, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Please don’t confuse Nick with facts. His antihuman religion is based on emotion and faith.
The above facts can also be found in Bob Hunter’s 1978 book; Warriors of the Rainbow
Nick Stokes, you just flunked debate class.
Hoping that after 2016, the US will join Canada and Australia as nations with heads of government, if not state, who recognize the Team’s scam for the hoax it is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/23/rand-paul-bashes-alarmist-ignoramus-climate-change-claims/
Doesn’t hurt that he’s from a coal state and has a scientific educational background.
Only Christie passes muster as a non-denialist by the WaPo’s climate commissars:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/12/where-the-2016-gop-contenders-stand-on-climate-change/