Case Smit writes to me via email about a climate tour being organized in Australia with Dr. Patrick Moore, Greenpeace co-founder turned climate skeptic. I’m just passing it on:
Hi Anthony,
You have a huge number of followers and I hope you will be able to help this venture by letting as many people as possible know about it. The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.
We feel that Patrick Moore’s background and reputation will persuade many CAGW believers to meet with him and hear his story; those sort of people would not come to a public lecture. Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media.
Your assistance in publicising this visit and possible finding funding for it, will be greatly appreciated.
With regards,
Case Smit (Galileo Movement)
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Patrick Moore to visit Australia.
Australia is hosting a “climate information” visit by Dr. Patrick Moore (co-founder of Greenpeace) in October – November this year. Rather than lecturing to the “converted”, the principal purpose of this visit is for him to meet with opinion leaders in the media, politics and business to convey a rational environmentalist’s views on why policies instituted because of the “catastrophic climate change” scare need to be realistically addressed.
Australia was the first country to impose an economy-damaging tax on carbon dioxide emissions which the current Government has now repealed. However the Government still believes that the public wants to see “action on climate change”, so it continues with policies requiring billions of dollars to be spent to stabilise the global climate. Those opinion leaders that Patrick meets with will realise, as Patrick has done himself, that virtually all climate change is natural and that mankind’s contribution is minimal; they will then be able to convey this to the public.
Patrick’s visit will affect the future climate change policies of our government and present an example to the world. Such an example has the potential to be influential on policies adopted in other nations particularly now that our Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, has achieved global recognition as a statesman with his handling of the Malaysian Airlines disasters. With the G20 meeting in November which Mr. Abbott will host, he will have the opportunity to explain to other world leaders the uncertainties surrounding current climate policies and the desirability for the world economy, of scaling back such expenditures.
Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, our appeal for help is going out internationally to make this most important visit a success. Would you please help this initiative, with potential world-wide benefit, by making this appeal known to your followers and by giving us an introduction to potential donors.
Case Smit
John Smeed
(joint organisers of Lord Monckton’s 2010 Australian Tour)
To contribute via EFT: -Galileo Movement Pty Limited, National Australia Bank Ltd., BSB: 084855, Acc. No. 191696855 please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
To contribute via PayPal – click the Paypal “donate” button on web site: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/donations.php please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
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Patrick’s lecture at the recent International Climate Change Conference in Las Vegas is on video. It outlines his journey from eco-warrior to defender of science, logic and the environment. He explains his scepticism of “catastrophic” global warming claims.
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@BruceC 8/17 8:22 pm
Game, Set, and Match. Well done. With TWO references, yet.
[snip] Nick. Nope, you aren’t going to hijack this thread any further, simply admit the three easy to say words “I was wrong”. Or, take a two day time out. – Anthony
Enough!
If Nick is this determined to derail the thread, then this tour has got to be worth it. I’ve made a donation on the strength of Nick’s attempt to smear Moore. Despite not getting a “from the horse’s mouth” accounting of what the money is for, I suggest there is more value in making a donation and saying so than there is in debating Nick further. If there was a way to donate in Nick’s name, I would. It would only be fair as he is the one that convinced me to do it 😉
WUWT has supported our efforts, we are going to support this one!
Well I got the wrong end of the stick. But I have emailed my MP the Hon.Barnaby Joyce, he is minister for agriculture, and informed them of Dr Moore’s intended tour. Hoping the Feds can put in a few dollars, as it is appropriate as we have repealed the carbon tax. I suggest all Aussies who are on this blog, do the same. No hide no Christmas cake, eh?
Bobl and don’t forget to add security. You know what these green nutters are capable of.
Donation made.
davidmhoffer:
At August 17, 2014 at 10:25 pm you write in total
I do not want to hinder your making a contribution, but I write to point out that Nick’s behaviour in this thread is not unique.
As recently as two days ago Nick Stokes attempted to derail another WUWT thread with persistent falsehood and refusal to admit he was wrong. The matter is spelled-out here,
Nick Stokes and Stephen Mosher each sometimes make useful contributions, but I am starting to wonder if those contributions are worth the disruptions they provide.
Richard
“My tolerance for your obtuse obfuscation has reached its limit. As I’ve said before, this is the sort of stuff a paid shill does.” – Mr. Watts
As I mentioned in my first comment about Mr. Stokes using the same lie he previously tried to pass at JoNOva’s blog, he spends most every day making comments here in support of the Team‘s agenda. I have long suspected that he is assigned this task. If that is true or not, he appears impervious to factual information and real world data.
Nick
It is somewhat ironic that I was defending you here a couple of days ago as one of the few voices that give an alternative view. However, as with tree rings, so with people such as Moore that become renegades to the all consuming cause by speaking against the green consensus, you really need to dig deeper than you do. Lovelock and others have also upset the green powers that be and get shunned. Does that tell you something? Have you read 1984? Did you actually take in the satirical message on the ‘Yes Minister’ programmes?
You are wrong about Moore as was also demonstrated over at CE a few months ago. History can be inconvenient can’t it, which is why so many people try to dismiss my own work as merely ‘historical anecdotes.’
Here’s hoping you delve a bit deeper and also that you can unearth something that demonstrates that your faith in tree rings is based on solid science
tonyb
Greenpeace was the name given to the boat for the voyage and it would be the first of the many Greenpeace protests. Following the first voyage, key crew members decided to formally change the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to the Greenpeace Foundation. These decision makers included founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe as well as Patrick Moore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist)
I have no problem accepting that Greenpeace would like to distance themselves from Patrick Moore’s current positions on environmental issues, he is doing the same. But it’s a completely different story to claim he was not part of the process that has led to the foundation of Greenpeace.
Beyond giving him some “street cred” in the eyes of the public, should it really matter what is his exact affiliation with early Greenpeace has been? He obviously shared the same beliefs and convictions at one point, but went through some kind of transformation since then. Why has he changed his mind, is a much more interesting question to be asked.
Moru H.:
Your post at August 18, 2014 at 2:39 am concludes saying
Yes. And I am unable to understand why you fail to recognise why his status as a Greempeace founder is contested.
If that status is refuted then there is no reason to suppose that Moore has “changed his mind”.
But the facts are that Moore supported the original ideas promoted by Greenpeace with such strong conviction that he was a co-founder of Greenpeace.
Moore now disputes actions of Greenpeace. Clearly, Moore’s views have changed, or Greenpeace’s actions have changed, or both have changed.
Discussion of the changes is not possible when history is altered to delete the fact that Moore was a co-founder of Greenpeace. And prevention of such discussion is the reason Greenpeace is attempting the historical revisionism being promoted in this thread by Nick Stokes.
Richard
Chill Richard,
Why do you think i posted the from Wikipedia, it’s all in there? Contrary to Nick’s claim, the mention of Greenpeace in Moore’s letter refers to the Ship, not the organisation that didn’t exist back then. A fact stated a couple times by other commentators, but i thought it wouldn’t hurt to repeat it once more.
I also wrote:
But it’s a completely different story to claim he was not part of the process that has led to the foundation of Greenpeace.
Hence the rest of the quote:
Following the first voyage, key crew members decided to formally change the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to the Greenpeace Foundation. These decision makers included founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe as well as Patrick Moore.
Nick or anybody else, including Greenpeace, trying to claim he wasn’t technically a founding member (we know he was) is putting up a red herring. Moore became a co-founder because of the beliefs and convictions he held back then; those have changed.
What matters is why. If Nick would have focused on that questions instead, the ensuing discussion could have been much more interesting.
Dear Nick Stokes,
Thank you for the live and active demonstration of the insanity of the AGW mindset and the mind bending lengths that you and other cult members will go to ensnare others into your club of screeching lemmings while trying to convince yourself that you’re not really mad as the hatter.
Thanks also for convincing me even more that you and yours MUST BE STOPPED by any means necessary as you now have stepped over the line from fanatic to evil doers. You spread lies for an evil agenda, that’s a FACT. It’s being seen here and in other venues clear as day.
My donation to Mr. Moores tour has been made. Thank you for convincing me of the importance and rightness of those that fight the good fight against evil forces. One of which goes by the label Nick Stokes.
Having been banned several times at The Guardian Newspaper for having the temerity to challenge the Alarmista Orthodox View ,I feel it only right and proper that you should see fit to ban trolls like Stokes, Mosher and Connelly. 2 wrongs do not make a right but at least it would give a lot of us some satisfaction.
Donation sent.
You just don’t know when to quit digging, do you Nick?
Went to bed, woke up, checked WUWT and still don’t see Nick saying “I was wrong”.
However,
lawrence Cornell says:
August 18, 2014 at 4:35 am
Dear Nick Stokes,
Thank you for the live and active demonstration of the insanity of the AGW mindset and the mind bending lengths that you and other cult members will go to ensnare others into your club of screeching lemmings while trying to convince yourself that you’re not really mad as the hatter.
gets an “amen” from me.
Donation made! I’m so glad there are people like Patrick who truly do care about the real (not politically imagined) environment and about scientific truth. Good luck on your tour, Mr. Moore!
I don’t see this tour will receive any coverage by the Australian MSM sadly.
MattN, he knows exactly what he is doing. He comes here to be deliberately obtuse, obfuscate, make deliberate false statements and stoop to any level to derail threads that are found to be uncomfortable for the AGW believers. Judging from the amount of similar trolling he does on various skeptic threads unendingly on a daily basis, I agree with our host’s comments that this is the typical activity exhibited by a paid shill.
“Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, …”
Not surprised, I would have thought the modifications to the A380 and the custom 6 butt cheek wide seat will cost a pretty penny.
The internet never forgets. Here’s a screen capture courtesy of the wayback machine from Greenpeace’s website showing Moore as a founder. Of course, like good little apparatchiks, they have deleted and rewritten the history that they don’t like.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070203080000/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
Rex Weyler wrote the book “Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed The World” (and Weyler also claims to be a “founding member” of Greenpeace in the blurbs on the book’s sale sites). The book contains a “Cast of Characters” on page 575. Patrick Moore shows up as the fifth listing. I guess that the Ministry of Truth hasn’t gotten to this book yet. Quick, Nick, send them a troll telling them to correct the book.
http://books.google.com/books?id=M1GW445y2n4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
What this interesting quote really says is ALL the costs will be donated:
“The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.”
I think it is pretty impressive the posting on WUWT will cover most of the costs. Of course a donation to Greenpeace co-founder, the enlightened Dr. Patrick Moore, will clear up the allusions of CAGW for some. However a matching donation to WUWT will exponentially leverage your giving.
Without WUWT, would the Dr. even be enlightened?