Case Smit writes to me via email about a climate tour being organized in Australia with Dr. Patrick Moore, Greenpeace co-founder turned climate skeptic. I’m just passing it on:
Hi Anthony,
You have a huge number of followers and I hope you will be able to help this venture by letting as many people as possible know about it. The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.
We feel that Patrick Moore’s background and reputation will persuade many CAGW believers to meet with him and hear his story; those sort of people would not come to a public lecture. Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media.
Your assistance in publicising this visit and possible finding funding for it, will be greatly appreciated.
With regards,
Case Smit (Galileo Movement)
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Patrick Moore to visit Australia.
Australia is hosting a “climate information” visit by Dr. Patrick Moore (co-founder of Greenpeace) in October – November this year. Rather than lecturing to the “converted”, the principal purpose of this visit is for him to meet with opinion leaders in the media, politics and business to convey a rational environmentalist’s views on why policies instituted because of the “catastrophic climate change” scare need to be realistically addressed.
Australia was the first country to impose an economy-damaging tax on carbon dioxide emissions which the current Government has now repealed. However the Government still believes that the public wants to see “action on climate change”, so it continues with policies requiring billions of dollars to be spent to stabilise the global climate. Those opinion leaders that Patrick meets with will realise, as Patrick has done himself, that virtually all climate change is natural and that mankind’s contribution is minimal; they will then be able to convey this to the public.
Patrick’s visit will affect the future climate change policies of our government and present an example to the world. Such an example has the potential to be influential on policies adopted in other nations particularly now that our Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, has achieved global recognition as a statesman with his handling of the Malaysian Airlines disasters. With the G20 meeting in November which Mr. Abbott will host, he will have the opportunity to explain to other world leaders the uncertainties surrounding current climate policies and the desirability for the world economy, of scaling back such expenditures.
Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, our appeal for help is going out internationally to make this most important visit a success. Would you please help this initiative, with potential world-wide benefit, by making this appeal known to your followers and by giving us an introduction to potential donors.
Case Smit
John Smeed
(joint organisers of Lord Monckton’s 2010 Australian Tour)
To contribute via EFT: -Galileo Movement Pty Limited, National Australia Bank Ltd., BSB: 084855, Acc. No. 191696855 please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
To contribute via PayPal – click the Paypal “donate” button on web site: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/donations.php please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
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Patrick’s lecture at the recent International Climate Change Conference in Las Vegas is on video. It outlines his journey from eco-warrior to defender of science, logic and the environment. He explains his scepticism of “catastrophic” global warming claims.
James Allison says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:08 pm
You can read what Dr. Moore himself has to say about association with Greenpeace, from his US Senate testimony earlier this year:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/26/confessions-of-a-greenpeace-droput-to-the-u-s-senate-on-climate-change/
“In 1971, as a PhD student in ecology I joined an activist group in a church basement in Vancouver Canada and sailed on a small boat across the Pacific to protest US Hydrogen bomb testing in Alaska. We became Greenpeace.
“After 15 years in the top committee I had to leave as Greenpeace took a sharp turn to the political left, and began to adopt policies that I could not accept from my scientific perspective. Climate change was not an issue when I abandoned Greenpeace, but it certainly is now.”
Nick Stokes says:
The story about Patrick Moore being a co-founder of Greenpeace surely needs to be laid to rest. Greenpeace have published a letter from him in 1971 asking about joining a Greenpeace sailing.
The letter puts Moore on record, that’s all. Stokes is reading things into it that are not there. Wayne Delbecke is right, this is just an attempt to re-write the past. Winston Smith would understand.
I would still like to hear from Patrick Moore himself.
Anyway, it is clear that the communist left has always controlled Greenpeace, along with the rest of the eco-movement. It is beyone naive to doubt that. When the Berlin Wall came down, the old KGB morphed into the FSB, but the actors remained the same. They ratcheted up their plan to take over enviro groups,and they have been 100% successful. Useful idiots, and all that.
For those who want to contribute to enviro groups, I suggest you ask for an outside audit of all income and expenses before you squander your money. You will not get it, therefore the best course of action is to find places where your dollars can be put to good use.
From every account I have read, the Greenpeace officers and delegates live like kings, staying at high priced hotels, flying everywhere even when there is alternate transportation, and in general acting exactly like United Nations/IPCC delegates to COP conferences.
Is that really how you want your contributions spent? They are profligate, and you, as a mere contributor, are not allowed to see how they waste your money. Donating to a local creek cleanup will be far better for the planet than throwing your money into the unaccountable Greenpeace black hole.
Let them know, too: tell them your contributions will stop until they have annual outside audits. The result would be that your hard earned money would actually go toward ‘saving the planet’, instead of providing cushy, all expense paid jaunts for the special, self-appointed folks taking your money.
Nick Stokes says:
“His letter begins “I am interested in sailing on the Greenpeace””
He is clearly talking about a vessel and not the organization that did not exist at the time.
You are one of those guys Nick. I’d really like to know how you live with yourself.
dbstealey says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm [ “…” ]
No doubt many have viewed the “Great Global Warming Swindle”, but Moore makes some of his main points in it:
Moore at about 41 minutes and 1:12 on the takeover of the environmental movement by refugee Watermelons from failed Communism and the baleful effect of “climate science” on Third World development.
Nick Stokes,
The posts above nicely illustrate the jeopardy you place yourself in, when you take your facts only from the Global Warming Alarmist side.
It would be great for you to publish a retraction of your comments. It would be a first for you, I suspect.
dbstealey says: August 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm
“I would still like to hear from Patrick Moore himself.”
Patrick Moore doesn’t like Paul Watson. Watson had the temerity to call himself a founder. No, says Moore:
“On his Sea Shepherd website, Paul Watson claims, “I was a founding member of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee in 1970.”[16] This is simply false. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders, Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Irving Stowe were quite conservative by nature and couldn’t stomach Watson.”
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:57 pm
The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders were among the founders of the Greenpeace Foundation, but did not constitute all of them. These anti-American nuclear test activists may have been conservative by nature but not by politics.
Sorry, forgot the link. It also has Moore stating his basis for the claim:
” I was on that old fishing boat, so it is reasonable for me to describe myself as a cofounder of Greenpeace.”
Apparently everyone on the first boat trip was a co-founder.
“Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media”
I fear they underestimate the fierce bias bordering on contempt that exists among most liberal journalists…which is another way of saying most journalists. That said, I’ll be digging deep.
Doesn’t Gore charge 100 grand for just one session of lip flapping? Suzuki keeps playing catch up.
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 3:00 pm
http://rexweyler.com/greenpeace/greenpeace-history/chronology/
“Hunter, Metcalfe, Bohlen, Darnell,…Simmons…Cummings,…Moore,…Birmingham,…Thurston,…Keziere…Fineberg, replaced (by) Marining”.
Some co-founders weren’t on the boat.
What about all the oil money Patrick has been getting?
MattN says:
August 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Even Algore isn’t getting his Big Oil checks as promised by al Jazeerah.
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:57 pm
dbstealey says: August 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm
“I would still like to hear from Patrick Moore himself.”
Patrick Moore doesn’t like Paul Watson. Watson had the temerity to call himself a founder. No, says Moore:
“On his Sea Shepherd website, Paul Watson claims, “I was a founding member of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee in 1970.”[16] This is simply false. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders, Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Irving Stowe were quite conservative by nature and couldn’t stomach Watson.”
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Nick Stokes,
Borrowing from RWhite (above) ” you are one of those guys Nick. I’d really like to know how you live with yourself.”
I, however, appreciate you, Nick Stokes, as you are a perfect learning/teaching tool for how ” you guys ” do your anti-fact propaganda.
Your first entry here has been handily rebuffed by my betters here. It took me 8 seconds to read the letter and KNOW the references, do you really think “the Greenpeace” refers to the organization he was writing to, maybe the address was for ? what ? Do you really believe the confusion you spew or is more important that other, less careful, people do ? So there is your first generously provided visual aid into your M.O.
Above we have your second. You say “Patrick Morre doesn’t like Paul Watson.” Then you proceed to present evidence that Patrick Morre wrote that Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote and Irving Stone “couldn’t stomach Watson.”
But NO evidence that “Patrick Moore doesn”t like Paul Watson.”
Seems to kinda work like Climate Alarmist “Science”. Just good enough to convince low information people to “believe”, but just askew of actual facts.
You are more accidentally transparent than you think.
Seriously.. How DO you people sleep at night ?
Nick Stokes says:
“Hunter, Metcalfe, Bohlen, Darnell,…Simmons…Cummings,…Moore,…Birmingham,…Thurston,…Keziere…Fineberg, replaced (by) Marining
Some co-founders weren’t on the boat.”
Quoting from the site you mention:
“Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, the Stowes, Bohlens, Hunter, Thurston, Moore, and Keziere went to a Liberal Party brunch, where they confronted Davis and Sharp. After the event, they returned to the Metcalfe’s’ home and proclaimed themselves “The World Greenpeace Foundation” with Ben Metcalfe as chairman.”
I seem to see Moore in there when they “proclaimed themselves”
Therefore, I can only assume this comment was your lame attempt at an apology and a retraction.
Environmental and anti-nuclear activists of any kind from that era would at first, I imagine, deny any formal organizational structure. It would smack too much of government organization and religion. That was back when “green wasn’t cool” (there’s a song in there somewhere) yet. It’s only later when being a “founding member” sounds legit and is used to shine one’s credentials. But the reality of the “foundering” of greenpeace likely involved potato chips, a clipped roach or two, and a decided lack of official organization such as you would see with stuffed suits. Yes they likely thought of themselves as saving the world. Their parents likely spoke of their activist offspring with a wise muffled epitaph and a roll of the eyes.
sturgishooper says: August 17, 2014 at 3:41 pm
“Hunter, Metcalfe, Bohlen, Darnell,…Simmons…Cummings,…Moore,…Birmingham,…Thurston,…Keziere…Fineberg, replaced (by) Marining”.
That’s Greenpeace listing who was on the boat. It doesn’t say they were co-founders.
Your link does say:
“February 15, 1970: The Vancouver Sun ran story about the intended voyage, dropping the Sierra Club reference and mentioning a boat to be called “the Greenpeace,” the first time the term appeared in print as a single word.
Marie Bohlen’s son, Paul Nonnast, designed the first button with the ecology symbol above, the peace symbol below, and in the middle, the single word: GREENPEACE. The Don’t Make A Wave Committee published the first “Greenpeace” pamphlet in March 1970”
This all happened well before Moore asked to join the trip March ’71.
From Moore’s article:
“The late Bob Hunter, one of the most important leaders and communicators in the early years, claimed you could find a Greenpeace founder in nearly any bar in Canada.”
With loosely organized protest groups, it takes a year or two to “found” the damn thing. No one takes notes at the “meeting” because no one brings a steno pad and it really wasn’t a meeting (an opportunity to get buzzed with your friends and complain about the establishment, yes). No one asks about old business or new business because, well, it just doesn’t go with chips and roach clips, and no one reports receipts and expenses. Come on you guys…it was the hippie era. Moore’s stump speech as weight because like every generation, he has discovered that there is nothing new under the sun and nature is quite robust, not the fragile little thing we all need to bend over backwards for, thinking it needs our help. If anything, Moore has discovered that nature is rather cruel and cares not one whit for the attentions he gave it early on. Of course this will not sway the next generation from trying to save something and telling the “old” generation that they suck.
RWhite says: August 17, 2014 at 3:51 pm
“I seem to see Moore in there when they “proclaimed themselves””
Moore sayssays (again while putting down Watson):
“The Greenpeace Foundation was established on May 4, 1972, and was the first registered organization to use the name Greenpeace. This was accomplished simply by changing the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to Greenpeace Foundation.”
lawrence Cornell says: August 17, 2014 at 3:50 pm
“But NO evidence that “Patrick Moore doesn”t like Paul Watson.””
Moore says:
“Paul Watson had nothing to do with the creation of Greenpeace International. He was in the room for the meeting, but he was not in the official photograph, likely because he had nothing to do with Greenpeace at the time. He may have signed a piece of paper, but he was not in any way involved in the negotiations or in the terms of the settlement. He has no right to describe himself as a founder of Greenpeace International. But that will likely not deter him.”
@ur momisugly Nick Stokes:
from:
The Greenpeace Book – http://rexweyler.com/greenpeace/greenpeace-history/chronology/
Quote:
January 1972: Metcalfe organized a protest against Canadian Fisheries Minister Jack Davis and Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Mitchell Sharp. Davis had attempted to stall boat insurance for the Phyllis Cormack, and Metcalfe wanted to force Sharp to put nuclear testing on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Conference to be held in Stockholm that summer. Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, the Stowes, Bohlens, Hunter, Thurston, Moore, and Keziere went to a Liberal Party brunch, where they confronted Davis and Sharp. After the event, they returned to the Metcalfe’s’ home and proclaimed themselves “The World Greenpeace Foundation” with Ben Metcalfe as chairman.
Sounds like that was the official proclaiming of the “founding” of the organization.
See? It took at least 3 years to get serious. Maybe they ran out of chips.
Stokes appreciated being nicknamed Racehorse Stokes on ClimateAudit.org but now he’s just an Asshorse. His pure bias is a mere extension of the entire hockey stick team that still produces emergency level funding for junk science, with enablers of cult following zeal like Stokes being themselves most privy to the fact that fraud is behind the hockey stick version of history. When they get this desperate, risking being sued, guys like Moore will not need do many fund drives, eh, Nick? How’s your liability insurance I wonder, slanderer? I imagine Greenpeace itself will soon be sued along with the whole RICO worthy alarmist PR machine, now that the latest hockey stick updated the fraud so it’s no longer ancient history but 2013 history. Mere politicians get a pass as long as do many scientific bodies have failed to include skepticism in their climate statements, with only the Am. Phys. Soc finally including three of six on their new climate statement committee, but true intellectual insiders like Stokes who enable potential energy rationing genocide due to a false emergency, are simply evil.
Didn’t he apply to the Don’t Make A Whale Committee, as opposed to Greenpeace?
See my comments below on this issue. It’s all a bit confusing. It seems he was on the committee when it got re-named Greenpeace .
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-disappears-a-founder-much-like-the-commissar-vanishes-in-soviet-russia/#comment-1549918
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-disappears-a-founder-much-like-the-commissar-vanishes-in-soviet-russia/#comment-1549933
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-disappears-a-founder-much-like-the-commissar-vanishes-in-soviet-russia/#comment-1549956
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Please see RWhite’s quotation from the site I cited. It’s dispositive of the fact that Moore was indeed a co-founder of the Greenpeace Foundation.
“Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, the Stowes, Bohlens, Hunter, Thurston, Moore, and Keziere went to a Liberal Party brunch, where they confronted Davis and Sharp. After the event, they returned to the Metcalfe’s’ home and proclaimed themselves “The World Greenpeace Foundation” with Ben Metcalfe as chairman.”
OK, OK!
I think the Moore/Greenpeace thing has been beaten to death.
I still want to know what the $100K is for.