By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
What is science for? Its end and object is to stretch out a fumbling hand for the truth by a humble and eternally-unsatisfied attempt to constrain uncertainties.
The scientific method is hungry curiosity, followed by acute observation, followed by careful measurement, followed by the meticulous application of pre-existing theory to the results, followed by the detailed drafting and reviewed publication of a hypothesis, followed by other scientists’ attempts to overturn the hypothesis, which is either discarded or slowly accorded credence to the extent that it has survived the process of error elimination.
In the physical sciences, absolute proof – which mathematicians call demonstration – is very seldom available. In mathematics, the art that is the language and the queen of the sciences, demonstration is more often available, particularly in number theory, the branch of discrete mathematics that concerns itself chiefly with the integers. Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, said Kronecker. Alles übrige ist Menschenwerk.
One of the reasons why the Thermageddonite superstition has been so successful until recently is that just about the only formal demonstration that nine-tenths of the population recall – and even then hazily – is that in the Euclidean and hyperbolic planes the square (or semicircle) on the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares (or semicircles) on the other two sides.
Now, the problem with the theorem of Pythagoras is that it is unquestionably true. For those who agree with the philosopher Schopenhauer that Euclid’s demonstration is “a triumph of perversity”, here is the admirably clear proof by dissection attributed to the fifth-century Hindu mathematican Aryabhatta.
However one looks at the theorem, the wretched thing is objectively true. There are hundreds of distinct demonstrations of it. It is true whether or not you or I or anyone else wants it to be true or believes it to be true or knows it to be true. In the language of theology, it is intrinsice honestum. It is right in itself.
I submit that it is the theorem of Pythagoras that has allowed the Thermageddonites to succeed when, scientifically speaking, they should simply have been laughed at.
For the truth of that venerable theorem has misled generations who have been given some acquaintance with the sciences but little or none with the philosophy of science into believing that every scientific finding is definitive, unalterable, unchallengeable and unquestionable.
Yes, liberating greenhouse gases by combustion will cause some warming – all other things being equal. Yes, we are liberating greenhouse gases by combustion. These things have been established beyond reasonable doubt. But what has not been established is the crucial quantitative question how much warming we may cause.
That simple fact has been relentlessly and artfully concealed from the population, who have been sedulously deluded into believing that “the science is certain” and that anyone who questions how much warming we may cause is by implication also challenging the well-established experimental results showing that greenhouse gases cause warming.
It is worth briefly considering the how much question – or, as the climate scientists call it, the question of climate sensitivity.
In response to my recent posting pointing out that on the RSS satellite record there has been no global warming for 17 years 10 months, a commenter, one Stacey, asked:
“Please could you … demonstrate the actual climate sensitivity in respect of the last 30 years due the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere? My guess is that it’s zero. :-)”
“Stacey” is adopting a sound, scientific approach, beginning with that vital first step: curiosity. Socrates used to say that the first step on the road to knowledge was an awareness of one’s own ignorance. And what is curiosity, the wellspring of the sciences, if not an awareness of one’s own ignorance coupled with a determination to do something about it?
“Stacey” offers the hypothesis, that climate sensitivity to CO2 over the past 30 years has been zero, and asks whether she is right.
So let us examine the hypothesis. We begin with the observation that in the climate there appear to be quasi-periodicities of about 60 years in global temperature – roughly 30 years’ tendency to warm followed by 30 years’ tendency to cool – and that these cycles are tied to, and may be caused by, the great ocean oscillations, of which the most influential seems to be the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.
Therefore, in order to cancel these naturally-occurring cycles, it is necessary either to take periods that are multiples of 60 years in length or to take periods that straddle a phase-transition from one 30-year phase of the PDO to another.
Usefully, the most recent phase-transition in the PDO was in about the year 2000, so that the past 30 years will have been about equally influenced first by a warming phase of the PDO and then by a cooling phase. That removes the most obvious potential natural distortion of our attempt to determine climate sensitivity from what has actually occurred.
Next, measurement. How much global warming was there in the past 30 years? For this, we shall take the mean of the global mean surface temperature anomalies on all five principal datasets – GISS, HadCRUT4, NCDC, RSS, and UAH.
We now make the assumption, for the sake of beginning somewhere, that all of the global warming over this 30-year period was attributable to us.
As the CO2 record on the chart shows, CO2 concentration rose by 54 ppmv over the 30-year period. We shall assume that all that increase in concentration was anthropogenic. If so, official theory suggests it caused 0.78 Watts per square meter of radiative forcing.
We shall also assume that over the period CO2 represented 70% of all anthropogenic forcings, so that the total anthropogenic forcing was 1.11 Watts per square meter. This assumption is derived from the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report.
We shall further assume that none of the warming was committed but unrealized warming from before 1984, or that, if there was some, it was approximately balanced by uncommitted warming generated over the 30-year period but not yet apparent in the temperature record.
Now we can divide the measured temperature change of 0.48 Cº by the total anthropogenic forcing of 1.11 Watts per square meter to obtain the transient-sensitivity parameter λt where t = 30 years, which is 0.43 Cº per Watt per square meter.
However, the instantaneous, Planck or zero-feedback sensitivity parameter λ0, which is the mean of the first derivatives across all latitudes of the fundamental equation of radiative transfer at the characteristic-emission altitude, where incoming and outgoing radiative fluxes balance, is just 0.31 Cº per Watt per square meter (IPCC, 2007, p. 631 fn.).
Next, some handy equations, that you will not find in most textbooks, will help us to determine the system gain Gt, the closed-loop feedback gain gt, and the feedback-sum ft directly from the Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and the transient-sensitivity parameter λt:
The transient system gain Gt, which is the factor by which the direct warming from anthropogenic forcings is multiplied to allow for the action of feedbacks over the 30-year period, is simply 0.43 / 0.31, or 1.39, showing that short-acting feedbacks have increased the direct warming by almost two-fifths.
The loop gain gt, which is the product of the sum of the short-acting feedbacks and the Planck parameter, is 1 – 0.31/0.43, or 0.28.
Then the feedback sum ft, the sum of all short-acting feedbacks over the period, is 1/0.31 – 1/0.43, or 0.9 Watts per square meter per Celsius degree of warming over the period.
The IPCC’s current central estimate is that at equilibrium, when all short-acting and long-acting feedbacks have acted, the feedback sum is just 1.5 Watts per square meter per Cº (IPCC, 2013, table 9.43, red dot at top right). This is a substantial reduction from the 2.1 Watts per square meter per Cº (blue dot at top right) central estimate implicit in IPCC (2007).
From that current estimate of the equilibrium feedback-sum f∞, which is the sum of all feedbacks acting over the thousands of years till the climate has established a new equilibrium following perturbation by a forcing, the equilibrium system gain G∞ may be determined, using the Bode system-gain equation:
From the Bode equation, the equilibrium system gain G∞ is [1 – 0.31(1.5)]–1, or 1.87. In short, the IPCC’s current implicit central estimate is that feedbacks increase the direct forcing-driven warming by seven-eighths.
The central estimate of Charney sensitivity implicit in the IPCC’s current central estimate of the feedback sum is given by
Thus, the IPCC’s current central estimate of Charney sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 concentration ought to be (5.35 ln 2)(0.31)(1.87), or 2.1 Cº. So the 3.2 Cº that is the current central estimate of the CMIP5 model ensemble is too big by at least half.
The eventual warming as a result of the anthropogenic forcings of the past 30 years will be (1.11)(0.31)(1.87) = 0.64 Cº, of which 0.48 Cº, or three-quarters, has already occurred, leaving just 0.16 Cº warming committed but unrealized over the period. Yet the IPCC says there is about four times that amount of committed but unrealized warming in the pipeline.
Now, all that is set out above is mainstream climate science. It is possible that we caused some of the warming of the past 30 years. It is possible, though by no means certain, that we caused at least half of it.
Why, then, can we not be more precise in deriving a climate-sensitivity estimate from the temperature change and CO2 concentration change we have seen over the past 20 years?
The answer – though you will very seldom hear it from the Church of Thermageddon – is that there are far too many unknowns. The biggest outright lie in the IPCC’s 2013, 2007, and 2001 reports is the notion that we can determine with any confidence the fraction of global warming over recent decades that is attributable to us.
In 2001 the IPCC said it was 66% confident we had caused most of the warming since 1950; in 2001, 90% confident; in 2013, 95-99% confident. All of these confidence values are direct lies. For there is no dataset from whose values any such supposed confidence levels can be determined by any recognizable statistical process.
It is a measure of the contempt in which today’s scientific elite holds the rest of the population that the IPCC, as the elite’s soi-disant spokesman on climate change, could have made and persisted in and doubled down upon these particular lies. It knows it can get away with them, for scientists have abdicated, forfeiting their high priesthood to far-left politicians and profiteering environmental protection rackets.
We do not know enough about the climate to say in what direction, let alone by how much, the climate would be changing in the absence of any anthropogenic influence. We do not know the forcing from CO2 or any other greenhouse gas to a sufficient precision. The official value of the CO2 forcing was cut by a massive 15% in 2001.
We do not know the value of the Planck parameter to any great precision. We thought we did: then the actual mean surface temperature of the Moon was measured, and was found to be 40% adrift from the official value that had been determined on the basis of the lunar sensitivity parameter, and had been confidently published on official government websites.
We do not know what fraction of manmade warming is attributable to each of the greenhouse gases. We do not know the magnitude or even the sign of the forcing from our emissions of soot to the atmosphere.
We certainly do not know the values of the individual temperature feedbacks to anything like the narrow error bars falsely claimed by the IPCC. We do not even know the sign of the cloud feedback, and the IPCC has recently been forced to reduce the value of that feedback drastically.
Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.
We cannot predict the behavior of the oceans – indeed, we cannot even measure changes in their heat content with sufficient resolution to give a meaningful result.
We cannot predict el Niño and la Niña events. Look how many enviro-left news media predicted a record-busting event this year. They predicted it because they wanted it.
They needed it, desperately, to bring the Great Pause to an end and reduce the humiliation that the less dishonest among them are beginning to feel now that the laymen like me at whom they have viciously snapped and sneered for so long are – so far, at any rate – closer to the mark than they and their expensive but useless models.
For it would take only a very small reduction in each of the assumed values on the basis of which the IPCC makes its predictions to reach a climate sensitivity far less than the models’ currently-claimed central estimate of 3.2 Cº per CO2 doubling. And there are powerful theoretical reasons why some of those values must have been greatly overstated, though there is no space to consider them here.
My own best estimate, for what little it is worth, is that a doubling of CO2 concentration would warm the world by about 1 Cº, if that. The IPCC is heading – albeit far too slowly – towards the same answer. It has cut the CO2 forcing; it has accepted that the next-biggest anthropogenic forcing, from methane, has been vastly overestimated; it has slashed the feedback-sum and consequently the equilibrium system gain; it has all but halved its near-term predictions of global warming.
However, the honest answer to Stacey’s question about what climate sensitivity is indicated by the temperature record of the past 30 years is, “We do not know”.
But you will never hear that honesty on the lips of the Thermageddonites, as they furtively and profitably cement in place the last of the thousand interlinked supranational bureaucracies that are the silent sinews of what – if they get their way in Paris in December next year – will be an all-powerful world government founded upon the greatest lie ever told, the lie of certainty in a cloud of unknowing, elected by none, loved by few, feared by all, and answerable only to itself.
Matthew R Marler says:
August 4, 2014 at 10:46 am
Average over the past 30 years has been about 1.78 ppm/year growth in Mauna Loa record (range of 0.48 to 2.66 in 1984-2013). With increasing reliance on natural gas, this level may drop, & even more so if modern nuclear power technologies are adopted & conservation embraced. But even at 2.0 ppm/yr, it will take 80 years to reach 560 ppm, a doubling from assumed 1850 level.
Kristian: The point here is that those sudden upward shifts that I pointed to (the very same shifts that Bob Tisdale has now been pointing out and explained for the last five years, but no one seems to listen or care), are not ‘stochastic’ at all. They are very distinct, time-specific and process-related. The process in question? ENSO.
That may be true, but it is not what I consider “known”. The possibility that stepwise increments of mean global temperature associate with ENSO are caused by gradually accumulated CO2 can not be ruled out on present evidence because there is no complete and thorough account of all the energy transfers related to ENSO. Neither is CO2 accumulation the only possible explanation, pace IPCC. It simply isn’t resolvable on present evidence how much of the increase is due to increased CO2. But I think that Lord Monckton is correct that if the standard theory is basically true to a first order at least, then the effect of CO2 can’t be as great as alarmists have been claiming.
Monckton corrected me with
“Steve Oregon” is incorrect to say that man-made CO2 is little more than 3% of atmospheric CO2. It is more like 40%.”
I’m not sure what to make of that. Seems inconsistent with much.
http://notrickszone.com/2013/03/02/most-of-the-rise-in-co2-likely-comes-from-natural-sources/
“The natural CO2 flux to and from oceans and land plants amounts to approximately 210 gigatons of carbon annually. Man currently causes about 8 gigatons of carbon to be injected into the atmosphere, about 4% of the natural annual flux.”
Jeff Id “The atmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance.”
I had misstated what I had intended to say.
The figures were % of total man-made contributions to the greenhouse effect as it relates to CO2.
From here http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
My point on August 3, 2014 at 5:25 pm was to emphasize how miniscule the total human CO2 contribution to the greenhouse effect is in order to make by greater point.
That being with only 0.117% of the greenhouse effect due to atmospheric CO2 from human activity it is preposterous for the Climate team to claim they can measure any human warming impact at all let alone what fraction of supposed warming is attributable to us and our CO2 emissions.
Worse yet this miniscule contribution to the greenhouse effect by man cannot possibly
be the catalyst that triggers the atmospheric water vapor increases which AGW/global warming requires. There is no means to even measure such an effect or impact.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WaterVapor/water_vapor2.php
“Warming due to carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel combustion evaporates even more water, increasing the thickness of the blanket, which leads to more heating, which leads to more water vapor… The loop is called the water vapor feedback, and it has the potential to be a serious problem.”
Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the “Greenhouse
Effect,” expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)
Based on concentrations (ppb)
adjusted for heat
retention characteristics % of Greenhouse Effect % Natural % Man-made
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618% 3.502% 0.117%
Water vapor 95.000% 94.999% 0.001%
Bottom line is there is no measured human CO2 catalyst that has ever been measured.
It is nothing but a conjecturous con job. (Is that a word)
Mr Marler, who has written very kindly about this posting, asks at what rate I think CO2 will rise. Though I agree with him that 1.004^174 = 2, I suspect that CO2 concentration will continue to rise quite rapidly as the third world – notably China, India and eventually even poor old Africa – industrializes its way out of poverty and thus towards population stability (we may be at peak children worldwide already).
So I’d expect to see the gentle but persistent acceleration in the curve of CO2 concentration to continue until mid-century, so that by 2100 there will be 550-700 ppmv in the atmosphere. In other words, not even double today’s concentration. My best estimate, based on an irreducibly simple climate model, is that the warming by then will be about 1 Celsius degree compared with today. In 2008, in Physics and Society, I predicted that doubling CO2 would increase global temperature by less than 1 Celsius degree. My current researches indicate that that is still correct, but the uncertainties are little better constrained than they were in 2008, so I wouldn’t call it settled science.
Steve Oregon says:
August 4, 2014 at 11:57 am
Conjectural con job.
“Dan” continues to be confused. All datasets other than RSS (which shows no warming for the past 17 years 10 months) show some warming since 17 years 10 months ago. But the trends as displayed on each of the graphs are correct, and there is no justification for saying that there has been any supradecadal warming at a rate equivalent to 3.7 Celsius degrees per century. The only period of 10 years or more in the entire instrumental record that exhibited a warming rate as great as that was the four decades 1694-1733 in the Central England record, showing a warming rate equivalent to 4.33 Celsius degrees per century – and that was before the Industrial Revolution began, so it cannot have been anything to do with us.
The main point remains the main point: the world has barely warmed in the past few decades, and the discrepancy between the absurd predictions of the IPCC and the models on the one hand and real-world observations and measurements on the other grows wider by the month. It is this widening discrepancy, rather than arguments over a few hundredths of a degree more or less, that demonstrates the falsity of the argument that one should rely on the models as the basis for shutting down the West to “save the planet” from a threat that is non-existent.
If dangerous global warming were a scientific theory, it would have been rejected by now as the nonsense it is. But it is not science. It is politics – and remarkably unpleasant, totalitarian politics at that.
milodonharlani says:
August 4, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Steve Oregon says:
August 4, 2014 at 11:57 am
Steve Oregon should be made aware that the debate about attribution is widely considered a fringe topic, with most people even on the skeptic side accepting that human inputs have accumulated to the point where they represent some 30% of the observed atmospheric concentration. In many quarters, it is a quick ticket to oblivion to gainsay what is considered by many to be a self-evident truth.
Those people accepting human attribution are, however, wrong. It is very clear, if one actually takes the time to study the data, and is qualified to do so, that human inputs have little effect on the atmospheric concentration. But, I do not expect it will be broadly accepted before the primary hypothesis, that atmospheric CO2 is driving surface temperatures, is well and truly buried for good.
At that point, the lonely band of clear-eyed thinkers, who can read the tea leaves and see the reality for what it is, may gain a wedge to force a rigorous accounting by pointing out that, if the soi-disant experts got the primary hypothesis dead wrong, what else did they get wrong?
Matthew R Marler says, August 4, 2014 at 11:11 am:
“That may be true, but it is not what I consider “known”. The possibility that stepwise increments of mean global temperature associate with ENSO are caused by gradually accumulated CO2 can not be ruled out on present evidence because there is no complete and thorough account of all the energy transfers related to ENSO.”
I’m sorry, but then you are not looking at the data. And I’m not just talking about the global data. You need to look at the different regions of the world. And the timing of these steps. Where and when did they take place? You can track it all. How it developed. No problem. But you need to look. Actually look.
This is not considered “known” only because no one wants to acknowledge it. People are too busy ignoring what the data is clearly saying.
We know. Because the data shows.
There is no need to ‘account for all of the energy transfers related to ENSO’. You just look at the data and see that global temps mimic the NINO3.4 in impressive fashion, with an average lag of a couple of months, more during large events, less in between. And that global temperatures show no upward (or downward, for that matter) deviation from any decadal trends in NINO3.4 since the mid 60s. EXCEPT during those three distinct and sudden steps, in 1979, in 1988 and in 1998.
ALL we need to explain are the three global steps. All the other 45-50 years are satisfactorily explained by that tight and consistent (and evidently causal) NINO3.4 (tropical East Pacific) lead/lag correlation.
Well, the three steps are also easily explained. But naturally you need to look beyond the NINO3.4 region. Just take a look at the available data. It’s still all initiated in the Pacific, large-scale coupled oceanic/atmospheric processes, just like the classical ENSO events themselves, only outside the NINO3.4 region. The ENSO process operates across the Pacific basin. And beyond, through so-called atmospheric bridges. It is in no way restricted to the NINO3.4 region, as most people (still) seem to think. ENSO isn’t the same as the NINO3.4 index.
Kristian: I’m sorry, but then you are not looking at the data. And I’m not just talking about the global data. You need to look at the different regions of the world. And the timing of these steps. Where and when did they take place? You can track it all. How it developed. No problem. But you need to look. Actually look.
This is not considered “known” only because no one wants to acknowledge it. People are too busy ignoring what the data is clearly saying.
We know. Because the data shows.
You missed my point, so I shall repeat it: the dynamical systems theory shows that you can have step changes and regional changes and regional step changes with continuous input; consequently, the step changes in the global and regional indices do not imply that the changes can not be related to continuous CO2 increases. Examples are provided in the thermodynamics text by Kondepudi and Prigogine, experimental and computational examples.
Monckton of Brenchley: So I’d expect to see the gentle but persistent acceleration in the curve of CO2 concentration to continue until mid-century, so that by 2100 there will be 550-700 ppmv in the atmosphere.
Thank you for your reply. Padilla et al some years back modeled a doubling by 70 years, but as you noted, a model requires some specific value for its conclusions to be derived. I think that’s kind of a low bound on the time to double. Your expectation is certainly defensible. I’m 67, so I don’t think I’ll ever know.
Thank you Bart.
I guess I am dangerously close to becoming fringe. 🙂 But my arrival will not be without plenty of regular input from a number of science pals, known by many, who share my frustration.
I have found my recent curiosity and search for what is truly the known human contribution to the atmospheric greenhouse effect to be rather disturbing. Especially when trying to find what has actually been scientifically measured vs what is no more than embellished IPCC presumption.
Of course all of much smarter people here have nailed the IPCC’s theory with exceptional display of the “discrepancy between the absurd predictions of the IPCC and the models on the one hand and real-world observations and measurements on the other grows wider by the month” as Monckton says just above.
But I am nearly convinced that the most bare bones display of how little has been actually scientifically measured and what science is capable of measuring may be the genesis to finally suffocating the AGW farce.
If the human contribution to the overall atmospheric greenhouse effect is truly infinitesimal….
“Total human greenhouse gas contributions add up to about 0.28% of the greenhouse effect”.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
…..then it cannot have done or do what has been claimed it has or will.
And climate science is not capable of measuring the effects of this infinitesimal amount.
And no one anywhere has any scientific measurements of any human CO2 emission influences or impacts at all.
And the hypothesized notion that mankind’s minuscule contribution to the atmosphere has triggered an increase in atmospheric water vapor also has no scientific measurements at all, anywhere, to back up that thoroughly implausible assertion.
Measuring atmospheric human/CO2 emissions does nothing to measure the proportionate share it it represents or what that tiny share has, is or is capable doing.
Of course there have been many layers of additional assertions over the years but IMO AGW collapse will come from peeling the onion back to the core fallacious contention.
The impact of human CO2 is not measurable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal
Infinitesimals have been used to express the idea of objects so small that there is no way to see them or to measure them.
In common speech, an infinitesimal object is an object which is smaller than any feasible measurement, but not zero in size; or, so small that it cannot be distinguished from zero by any available means. Hence, when used as an adjective, “infinitesimal” means “extremely small”. In order to give it a meaning it usually has to be compared to another infinitesimal object in the same context (as in a derivative).
Matthew R Marler says, August 4, 2014 at 2:14 pm:
“You missed my point, so I shall repeat it: the dynamical systems theory shows that you can have step changes and regional changes and regional step changes with continuous input; consequently, the step changes in the global and regional indices do not imply that the changes can not be related to continuous CO2 increases. Examples are provided in the thermodynamics text by Kondepudi and Prigogine, experimental and computational examples.”
Yes, and you apparently continue to miss mine: The data from the real world precludes the gradual steady rise in CO2 since the 50s as the cause of those three distinct steps identified. Because it shows very clearly that they were all caused by internal processes initiated in the Pacific ocean, all directly associated with abrupt basin-wide climate regime shifts.
So, although I agree with you in theory, this is a perfect example of blinkered apologetic ad hoc hypothesis meets crystal-clear empirical evidence.
Steve Oregon says:
August 4, 2014 at 2:22 pm
You’ve come to the right place, Steve. I am the resident, what I’m sure many here believe, crackpot explaining to everyone who will listen why the evidence indicates that humans are not driving CO2. You might be interested in the exchanges on this recent page. Every so often, this topic gets revived and I do battle with the resident champion of the human attribution camp, Ferdinand Englebeen. This post in particular gives a brief summation of my argument.
““Dan” continues to be confused. All datasets other than RSS (which shows no warming for the past 17 years 10 months) show some warming since 17 years 10 months ago.”
Again not so. You seem to be struggling to understand my point.
You have chosen to put up a graph of the RSS data over a 30 year period. Which also has a linear fit over that whole period, equating to a 0.48 degree temperature rise.
It is you that stated “RSS (which shows no warming for the past 17 years 10 months)”.
So if you take your comment to be correct that RSS shows no warming over the past 17 years and 10 months, then all of that 0.48 degree warming would have occurred in the preceding time period of your chosen 30 year sample.
Indeed your article of 2 August 2014 is headlined “Global Temperature Update – No Global Warming for 17 years 10 months”, again referencing RSS data reiterates, your position on this matter, which you now seem to be backing away from.
There appears to be a lack of consistency between you various articles.
“Dan” is hopelessly confused. Over 30 years, RSS shows a trend. Over 17 years 10 months it shows no trend. But one cannot merely subtract the one trend from the other, as “Dan” has attempted to do. Any elementary statistics textbook will be of assistance.
Dan says:
August 4, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Not sure why this is a problem for you.
The global T trend for the past c. 3300 years (at least) is down. For the past c. 300 years it is up. For the past 30 years, it is slightly up. For the past going on 18 years, it is flat to down.
My apologies for my persistence, but I’m simply seeking simplification.
My own shortest version of the central fallacy.
Scientists have never been able to measured the human role in the greenhouse effect.
Because the human contribution is infinitesimal the effect cannot be measured.
During all of my searches I’ve noticed that all of the government and alarmist sites avoid any mention of proportions. They speak about tonnes of CO2 etc. but not the EPA, NASA or any other I could find mention the percentages.
This allows the alarmists to cite the alarming tonnage of human CO2 being pumped into the
atmosphere and presumably absorbed by the oceans.
Whereas if they cited “human greenhouse gas contributions add up to about 0.28% of the greenhouse effect” who would care?
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
Climate Science has been surmising what they cannot measure.
The entire heap they piled up to hide this central fallacy is meaningles
Again, because the human contribution is so small it is impossible to measure, or know, the impact of such a tiny influence.
If I pee in an Olympic size swimming pool I could only surmise that I am warming the water.
I can measure the pool temperature trend all I want and pile up a heap of surmising conclusions about buoyancy, swimmers, water level, pool life, swimwear, drain lines, lifeguards etc and still I will never know what my pee did.
AGW is Climate Surmising. Not science.
1sur·mise noun \sər-ˈmīz, ˈsər-ˌ\
Definition of SURMISE
: a thought or idea based on scanty evidence : conjecture
Thursday, July 17, 2014
New paper finds only ~3.75% of atmospheric CO2 is man-made from burning of fossil fuels
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/07/new-paper-finds-only-375-of-atmospheric.html
That translates into an infinitesimal portion of the greenhouse effect.
“Total human greenhouse gas contributions add up to about 0.28% of the greenhouse effect”
That is so small it may as well be nothing.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
Forget GIGO
AGW is NINO
Nothing In Nothing Out
Dan says:
August 4, 2014 at 3:18 pm
I hope this helps!
See all 4 lines in the graphic below. In particular, note that the green line goes up only 0.23 degrees in 12.2 years and not 0.48 degrees.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1984.55/plot/rss/from:1984.55/to:1996.75/trend/plot/rss/from:1984.55/trend/plot/rss/from:1996.75/trend
How can such ignorance be explained?
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“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”
Mark Twain
Steve Oregon says:
August 4, 2014 at 4:37 pm
Whereas if they cited “human greenhouse gas contributions add up to about 0.28% of the greenhouse effect” who would care?
And earlier:
Monckton corrected me with
“Steve Oregon” is incorrect to say that man-made CO2 is little more than 3% of atmospheric CO2. It is more like 40%.”
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618%
Many people assume that on an annual basis, humans contribute 3% of the CO2 and nature contributes 97%. Of course our annual contribution was much less than 3% in 1800. However the change from 1750 of a presumed 280 ppm to 400 ppm today is a 40% increase that many attribute to man. Now if we assume that CO2 contributes 3.6% of the greenhouse affect, and if we assume man added 40%, then man’s part would be 1.44% and not 0.28%.
Given that it appears that CO2, on all time scales, lags temperature, it does not look that promising that the release of CO2 drives warming as you assert.
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this really is the only way I can see to resolved the debate. No amount of arguing over theory, no amount of model building, can ever resolve what will actually happen.
there is one and only one test that will tell us the effects of CO2. And that is to observe what happens when CO2 is released PRIOR to warming. Do we see any CONSISTENT evidence of warming following natural events that release CO2? Surely in the millions of years of paleo data, there must be multiple events that released large amounts of CO2 for reasons not related to temperature.
What do they tell us? Is there any evidence in the paleo records showing non temperature related CO2 increase driving temperature? Because quite frankly, we can all argue CO2 GHG theory until we are blue in the face and it will prove absolutely nothing.
I’m fairly sure I know nothing.
After following discussions over some topical issues, I noticed both sides referring to facts and truths. I’m sure you have all heard the expressions, “the fact of the mater is ….blah …. blah”, or, “the truth is … blah … blah”, the discussions often get heated and rarely do they find common ground.
I decided to research what a fact is, and basically it is something you believe to be true. So I researched truth, and found that philosophers have been discussing this for thousands of years, and there is no clear definitive answer. Most of it goes over my head, and they discuss such concepts of consensus, esoteric, observational, etc, etc.
This got me thinking. Why do so many people get so emotional about their truths, which seems to be their belief in what is true? My suggestion is that it really comes down to what each individual believes, and what that individual accepts to be truth to them. This is at the core of what a person is, and when challenged, it becomes personal, and then emotional, because the people involved see it as an attack of the very essence of who and what they are.
This led me to examine my own personal truths, and I had to ask my self, what am I basing my personal beliefs on? I came to realize that most of my beliefs were based on what I learnt, either through my family, my education, my social interaction, or personal research. I started asking myself many “What if …” questions. What if what I learnt wasn’t completely true, how could I sort out fact from fiction?
It became obvious to me I had to find a reliable truth filter, to properly assess my own truths, so I needed to distinguish between what I really know, from a belief. This is a continual work in progress, but at this stage (it took a while) I’ve discovered that my entire set of truths are beliefs, and I actually do “know”, very little, or maybe, nothing.
This realization bruised my ego somewhat, but I have developed an interesting theory that I would like to share with you. “The ultimate truth is to accept that we don’t know everything”. This is not to say that it is impossible to know everything, just at this stage, we don’t. I reckon this may be true for each individual and collectively for the human race today.
What a beautiful world it would be if we could discuss any subject with any person, and recognize that both parties are only exploring what their own belief is, and are testing this belief, to see if it is true or not, or maybe needs modification. It would take a huge amount of humility and love, but to me, it is worth striving for.
Matthew
“My conjecture is that more energy will go into evaporation than into heating, but it is nearly pure conjecture.”
We can calculate this. From the water cycle we know 434,000 cubic km. of water is evaporated from the oceans every year. This translates to 3.8 x 10^-5 kg per second per sq. m. rate of evaporation. Latent heat of evaporation of water = 2257 kJ/kg. We get 86 W/m^2 evaporation rate. The ave. longwave “backradiation” is over 300 W/m^2. Therefore less than 30% goes to evaporation.
BTW evaporation has a cooling effect but when the water vapor condenses, it’s an exothermic process. A heating effect. Notice the air feels warm before it rains. That’s high humidity and latent heat released in the clouds.