Contradictory contest criteria have been rectified via Keating “clarification” 
Guest post by Alec Rawls
At first glance retired physics teacher Christopher Keating’s challenge appears to be an obvious bait and switch. It opens as an invitation to “global warming skeptics” who charge that “the science doesn’t support claims of man-made climate change.” The central “claim of man-made climate change” is the IPCC’s assertion in AR5 that: “It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century” (AR5 WGI SPM p. 17, upped from “very likely” in AR4 and “likely” in the Third Area Report). So wait a minute. All we have to do is demonstrate that this assertion of great certainty that human activity caused most late 20th century warming is clearly unsupported by the available reason and evidence and Keating will give us $30,000? That is easily done. But then the first stated rule of his contest asserts a very different criterion:
1. I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring.
Ridiculous. There is hardly a skeptic alive who doesn’t think that human activity is causing some climate change, and in particular, some amount of warming. The question is whether one accepts the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that the human release of greenhouse gases is responsible for most late 20th century warming, and is on course to cause a dangerous amount of warming over the next century. Skeptics see this as unlikely, or as unsupported by the evidence, but it all comes down to the size of the human warming effect.
So Keating is putting forward two completely different criteria for gauging human influence on climate, one that pretty much all skeptics reject and one that pretty much all skeptics accept, and he is treating them as interchangeable. This raises an obvious suspicion.
When nobody can prove NO human-caused warming, will Keating claim vindication for the IPCC’s claim that MOST warming was human caused?
It would be a very crude switch, conflating two very different scientific positions, but we have been down this road several times already. Remember the bogus “consensus” study by Doran and Zimmerman that failed to distinguish skeptic from consensoid views, thereby lumping skeptics into their proclaimed “consensus”? According to their press release:
Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
Wait, one in ten scientists don’t think global temperatures have risen since 1800? That’s actually a pretty amazing lack of consensus, but on the role of human activity, there are very few on the skeptic side who would say that human effects are insignificant, thus their real finding is that 82 percent of scientists can be categorized as either skeptics or consensoids. They hadn’t distinguished the actual competing viewpoints at all, but they pretended they had, and declared the science settled:
…the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.
Ditto for Cook et al. 2013. As documented by Legates, Soon, Briggs and Monckton, the Cook study’s own raters found that only 0.5% of the climate science abstracts they examined supported the IPCC “consensus” position that most recent warming was caused by human activity. To claim a 97% consensus they added this 0.5% figure together with the numbers of abstracts that support weaker claims of some human influence, positions that encompass virtually all skeptics. From Christopher Monckton:
In defiance of the evidence recorded in their own data file, they had then explicitly stated, both in their article and in a subsequent article, that 97.1% had endorsed the IPCC’s proposition.
Again and again the alarmists try to pull off this trick, fabricating a phony “consensus” on the IPCC position by falsely classifying those who reject the IPCC’s position as supportive of it, and the yawning slip between Keating’s cup and his lip seems to be an obvious set-up for more of the same, which must have put off many of the skeptics who came across Keating’s challenge. It certainly put me off.
I belatedly looked further only because these bait and switches have been turning into big propaganda battles and I figured it might be worth getting ahead of this one. That’s when I came across Keating’s clarification page, where he promises to fork over the money to anyone who can prove that the available scientific reason and evidence do not support the IPCC’s claim of extreme certainty that most recent warming human caused.
Okay, that changes things. If these are the terms then Keating deserves to be taken seriously, not in any expectation that he would ever pay up, but because he might be an honest man who has simply never been properly exposed to the skeptic side. Of course that would have been self-selected but he is now self-forcing himself to engage with skeptic views and if he really is an honest man the result could be interesting.
Keating’s “clarification” page
Numerous commenters complained to Keating that there was no way to win his challenge because he was demanding proof of a negative: that human activity has no effect on climate (a negative that no skeptic ever claimed). This is what spawned his clarification page, where he lists “two different ways” that skeptics can win, with “Option #1” being:
The basic tenets of AGW are these two IPCC conclusions:
It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.
Climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C and extremely unlikely (95-100%) less than 1°C.
So if someone was able to scientifically disprove these two extremely likely / unlikely statements, then that should suffice.
To “scientifically disprove” the IPCC claims of extreme certainty is to prove that they are not scientifically justified. It doesn’t mean proving that human activity did not cause most post 50’s warming. It just means proving that the available reason and evidence does not justify any high degree of certainty about the latest warming being mostly human-caused. “Proof” is generally not easy to come by in science but this one is easy, on multiple grounds.
So now we have a challenge worth answering, an opportunity to turn Keating’s publicity ploy into a positive episode for skeptic understanding. His clarification also means that his challenge needs to be taken seriously as a threat. Right on his clarification page, before anyone had seen it, Keating was already crowing how nobody could show that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are rejected by science:
So, there you go. I set the challenge up to favor the deniers and have now even produced two separate ways they can win.
And, yet, THE DENIERS STILL CAN’T PRODUCE.
Oh yes we can. Keating is one of those “believers” who flings the “denier” label like plosive spittle, and having changed his contest rules to be able to more legitimately claim to that he is vindicating the IPCC’s most unscientific excesses he needs to be shadowed henceforth by an unrebuttable insistence that HE OWES US MONEY. Then he can raise the subject as much as he wants.
Keating’s contradictory statements about skeptic views prove that he’s never thought this through
How else could a physicist make the following contradictory statements about skeptic views, issued almost in sequence on his “clarification” page? First he is stunned by all the people trying to let him know that skeptics generally do agree that human release of greenhouse gases does cause warming:
Some have even gone so far as to claim that no one has ever denied that man made global warming is not real. I swear, I didn’t make that last statement up. This is such a brazen lie that I wonder if the people saying this have lost touch with reality. Seriously, I wonder if they have lost touch with the real world. One question to those people, if deniers have never said man made global warming is not real, then just what have you guys been saying all this time? There is a long record of your statements about how global warming is a fraud, etc. Once again, if you don’t like being held accountable for what you say, stop saying it.
No distinction between people causing some warming and people causing most warming, even though he is responding to people who are pressing him on this very point. It’s like the idea is so new to him that he can’t get his head around it. Then at the end of his “option 1” he includes this little admission, perhaps in response to his recent forced engagement with actual skeptic views:
That said, the climate debate has shifted a bit over the past decades I’ve following it into at least “skeptics” grudgingly accepting (1) that the planet is actually warming [that should be “was actually warming”] and (2) the physics behind sensitivity excluding feedbacks being 1.1°C.
On the CO2 forcing effect it isn’t the debate that has shifted, only Keating’s awareness of it, and he must have only learned very recently (not “over the decades”) about the broad agreement among skeptics and consensoids alike that a doubling of CO2 should cause a temperature forcing of about 1°C. How else could he have been flabbergasted just a few paragraphs above by the idea of skeptics who do not deny that human activity causes warming?
So we’re talking about a babe-in-arms here. This senior citizen baby is unaware that the actual debate is over the size of the feedback effect and whether it is positive or negative. He has certainly never thought through the implications of agreement on CO2 forcing. So what to do with our senior baby?
I’m going to give him two answers. A little later I will post a “taking Keating seriously part 2” that recounts a few of the prima facie ways that the IPCC’s radical attribution claims are highly unscientific, as pointed out by numerous people in recent years. Then early next week I will post part 3, detailing a train of specific unscientific and anti-scientific steps in the IPCC analysis that render it not just scientifically invalid but properly classify it as a hoax and a fraud.
I documented two years ago how the First Order Draft of AR5 was marred by systematic “omitted variable fraud.” That critique is past due for an update and Keating’s challenge is a good second bird to kill with the same stone.
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Jim Cripwell:
Your post at July 26, 2014 at 5:59 am says in total
At this point in the thread it seems sensible to again remind of the Null Hypothesis because it alone provides all that is needed to demand that Keeting pays the $30,000.
The Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed a system has not experienced a change unless there is evidence of a change.
The Null Hypothesis is a fundamental scientific principle and forms the basis of all scientific understanding, investigation and interpretation. Indeed, it is the basic principle of experimental procedure where an input to a system is altered to discern a change: if the system is not observed to respond to the alteration then it has to be assumed the system did not respond to the alteration.
In the case of climate science there is a hypothesis that increased greenhouse gases (GHGs, notably CO2) in the air will increase global temperature. There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.
Please note that the Null Hypothesis is a hypothesis which exists to be refuted by empirical observation. It is a rejection of the scientific method to assert that one can “choose” any subjective Null Hypothesis one likes. There is only one Null Hypothesis: i.e. it has to be assumed a system has not changed unless it is observed that the system has changed.
However, deciding a method which would discern a change may require a detailed statistical specification.
In the case of global climate no unprecedented climate behaviours are observed so the Null Hypothesis decrees that the climate system has not changed.
Importantly, an effect may be real but not overcome the Null Hypothesis because it is too trivial for the effect to be observable. Human activities have some effect on global temperature for several reasons. An example of an anthropogenic effect on global temperature is the urban heat island (UHI). Cities are warmer than the land around them, so cities cause some warming. But the temperature rise from cities is too small to be detected when averaged over the entire surface of the planet, although this global warming from cities can be estimated by measuring the warming of all cities and their areas.
Clearly, the Null Hypothesis decrees that UHI is not affecting global temperature although there are good reasons to think UHI has some effect. Similarly, it is very probable that AGW from GHG emissions are too trivial to have observable effects.
The feedbacks in the climate system are negative and, therefore, any effect of increased CO2 will be probably too small to discern because natural climate variability is much, much larger. This concurs with the empirically determined values of low climate sensitivity.
Empirical – n.b. not model-derived – determinations indicate climate sensitivity is less than 1.0°C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent. This is indicated by the studies of
Idso from surface measurements
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/Idso_CR_1998.pdf
and Lindzen & Choi from ERBE satellite data
http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf
and Gregory from balloon radiosonde data
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/OLR&NGF_June2011.pdf
Indeed, because climate sensitivity is less than 1.0°C for a doubling of CO2 equivalent, it is physically impossible for the man-made global warming to be large enough to be detected (just as the global warming from UHI is too small to be detected). If something exists but is too small to be detected then it only has an abstract existence; it does not have a discernible existence that has effects (observation of the effects would be its detection).
To date there are no discernible effects of AGW. Hence, the Null Hypothesis decrees that AGW does not affect global climate to a discernible degree. That is the ONLY scientific conclusion possible at present.
And that scientific conclusion is all that is needed to warrant Keeting paying the money.
Richard
This is silly.
CO2, being a greenhouse gas is likely causing some modest beneficial warming. Why would I waste my time trying to prove otherwise?
CO2 also plays a key role in photosynthesis. This is irrefutable. I would challenge anybody to prove that increasing CO2 has not resulted in massive gains in plant growth, vegetative health, crop yields and world food production.
The science is crystal clear and overwhelming, regarding increasing CO2. It is producing tremendous benefits to life on this planet.
Having the debate twisted so that it is over catastrophic global warming and extreme weather that is not happening is like debating over the catastrophic results of drinking water and calling it pollution.
Sure, drinking gallons of water can kill you but water is essential to life and almost everybody does better when they have more access to clean water.
I have a feeling that the purpose of Keating’s ruse is to sucker in some of the worst skeptics (yes, there are many that have crazy ideas). He could be planning on writing a book and incorporating those ridiculous claims as evidence that ALL skeptics are nutters. By doing this he is hoping to be promoted from just another member of the AGW flock, to the level of AGW priest. Fame and fortune to follow. Not a bad plan if you are an immoral sociopath.
BTW, the criteria he laid out has already been met within scientific journals. The Knight et al paper (BAMS 2009) demonstrated that models which show moderate or dangerous warming require warming within periods of 15 years at the 95% confidence level. Although 15 years had not been reached at the time of their publication, it has been reached now. Models are the encapsulation of the physics of AGW. They are the basis of the IPCC claims.
Game over.
I vote the $30k goes to Richard, for his excellent comment above.
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Thanks KD. I was unaware that the “best European weblog” (and recommended for my vote here by the way) was one of “Transcendent Rant and way out there theory” sites.
If I link to it again I think I’ll just take the moderation as I detest hiding a site in a shortened URL. Knowing that just a link to “ShortSheila’s Gabfest” is not welcome here comes as somewhat of a surprise. I will keep that in mind. Again; thanks for the clarification.
By the way, does anyone know where I can read a list of those words, names, and sites that I am not supposed to mention here?
~Mark
Richard:
This is the way they taught it in college back in the dark ages when I attended school. Watching modern “climate science” as well as a host of other modern “science” fields I am beginning to think one would only stumble across Richard’s assertion in a history text. Most likely in a chapter on “cranks” like Karl Popper.
“It is extremely likely (95-100%) that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.”
Not sure why Keating wants someone to ‘disprove’ a statement using the Scientific Method when that statement was not constructed as a result of the application of the scientific method. The above statement represents a group opinion (and it is described as such in IPCC AR5), it does not represent a fact. Opinions can neither be proved nor disproved by any method.
“Climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C and extremely unlikely (95-100%) less than 1°C.”
This statement is also not ‘provable’ nor ‘disprovable’ in the scientific sense. The use of terms ‘very likely’, ‘likely’, not likely’, etc are not expressions that lend themselves to ‘disproof’ because, again, they are expression of opinion, not fact.
Also, again, asking anyone to prove a negative, “that man-made global climate change is not occurring” is unscientific, ambiguous, and a well known debating ploy. It is why the judicial system does not allow prosecutors to challenge defendants to ‘prove you didn’t murder X, and, if you can’t, you must be guilty of murdering X”. It is pretty interesting to see Keating using the same logical fallacy about ‘global climate change’. “Prove that there is no man-made component to global climate change, and, if you can’t, it means there IS man-made global climate change.”
I could propose that “I will give anyone $50,000 of my own money if they can prove that aliens did not help with the construction of the Great Pyramids” and I will be fairly safe in the belief that no one will ever collect.
Jimbo says:
“July 25, 2014 at 5:27 pm
What has really got my attention in AR5 is this in BOLD in the quote. Why not say man-made greenhouse gases? Are they slipping in a fast one for future slipperiness? An escape clause? This thing needs pinning down.
“It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century” (AR5 WGI SPM p. 17, upped from “very likely” in AR4 and “likely” in the Third Area Report).
I thought the whole big push was about man-made greenhouse gases. Also note the obvious change from global warming to climate change. These people have been defeated but they won’t back down. This is getting silly.”
Interesting. Another slippery word is “observed”, as in “observed warming”. “Human influence” is certainly the cause of urban heat islands. At some future time they could fall back on that.
I don’t think you guys know what you are up against.
Keating ACCURATELY PREDICTED the world was not going to end in his book “Dialogues on 2012: Why the World Will Not End”
http://www.amazon.com/Dialogues-2012-Why-World-Will/dp/1457503832
And PLEASE don’t try to bring up the fact Keating was denied tenure at the University of South Dakota because of “long-term problems of tensions and hostilities” with the faculties. Just because he sued them and lost proves nothing!!
https://dlr.sd.gov/wagehrs/decisions/unfairlabor/1_keating.pdf
The author falls in the trap and accepts the battfield in the enemy territory giving all weapons to the enemy.
If there are a way to be more clueless i doubt.
@richardcourtney
neillusion:
I still haven’t seen any proof beyond reasonable doubt that the CO2 leads temperature rise.
richard:
‘Changes to atmospheric CO2 concentration follow changes to global temperature at all time scales.’
Technically can’t be true because no warmer for 18 yrs yet increasing CO2
I would attend to ‘at all time scales’. (never say never, all or forever)
So why is CO2 still rising? (human contibution small compared to planet’s CO2 processes)
If CO2 heats things up why aren’t things heating up?
Whilst I appreciate some sort of timelag, that CO2 will follow temperature is well established and intuitively satisfying (to my way of thinking).
The models run on equations and iteration. The equations must be constructed in a way that says if a goes up then b will go up as some function of a. That function has to be input as positive or negative, you can’t have both. The assumption has been that CO2 rise results in temp rise. I know there are many other variables and functions, but, with my limited background in programming, the equations must start somewhere and ‘in the beginning ‘ ipcc said …
It has to start with establishing CO2 causes temp rise before the ipcc can justify themselves in any sane way. It cannot, in my humble opinion, be done.
I think human caused global warming is not possible via CO2, a rough idea comes to mind – if you are ill in bed and have 500 duvets on you and someone comes in and puts another one on top, will you get warmer?
There are so many other significant variables in the planet’s climate, some not even realised yet, that to demonize CO2 is just, well, idiiotic.
thanks for the links, will look
neillusion:
At July 26, 2014 at 8:36 am you assert
Technically and in reality, it is true that changes to atmospheric CO2 concentration follow changes to global temperature at all time scales.
You are assuming that each temperature change provides a correlated change to CO2: but temperature changes of the same magnitude may not provide CO2 changes that all have the same magnitude.
Or, to put it another way, you are claiming that although it works in practice it cannot work in theory.
I do not know why CO2 is still rising and I wish I did.
The most likely cause is a slow adjustment towards a new equilibrium of the carbon cycle as a result of the temperature rise from the Little Ice Age (LIA); see
Rorsch A, Courtney RS & Thoenes D, ‘The Interaction of Climate Change and the Carbon Dioxide Cycle’ E&E v16no2 (2005)
I keep explaining that the effect of additional atmospheric CO2 from present levels cannot have discernible effect on climate. I yet again explained it on WUWT as recently as today in this thread at July 26, 2014 at 6:14 am and that post is here.
The remainder of your post is your opinion that is not comment on anything I said so there is no need for me to comment on it.
Richard
I took ‘follow’ to mean – if a goes up b will go up, if a goes down b will go down and if a stops b stops – and ‘at all timescales’ to mean instantaniety included. This phrase implies no time lag, which is my point, ‘all time scales’ means down to seconds, as in if temp starts going up, co2 will follow it and start going up, possibly immediately – and I don’t think you mean this. Therefor said I technically not true.
neillusion:
Your post at July 26, 2014 at 9:42 am says in total
The lag at Mauna Loa is ~ 5 months and varies with latitude so is longer elsewhere. So, at Mauna Loa when temperature rises (or falls) the CO2 rises (or falls) 5 months later. This is what I meant by “follows”.
These changes are the shortest time scale. At longest time scale the lag of CO2 changes after temperature changes is typically about 800 years.
I do not understand how my saying “Changes to atmospheric CO2 concentration follow changes to global temperature at all time scales” can be thought to mean I suggested there is no lag.
Richard
richard verney said:
This is good. All the endless talk of Climate Change is about what could happen. Are there any documented cases of changes in the Köppen classification of any region since the Little Ice Age ended? The term Global Warming was better because we can see tiny little changes in temperature (we just can’t predict the trend or the future). A few degrees of temperature change is not necessarily climate change.
AlexS says:
“The author falls in the trap and accepts the battfield in the enemy territory giving all weapons to the enemy”
This is exactly the main point of this battle over catastrophic global warming and extreme weather/climate change that is not happening.
The planet shows widespread benefits from modest warming(some from increasing CO2) and atmospheric fertilization of plants as it greens up.
But the battle, continues to be fought over global climate model projections that are proving to be much too warm vs reality.
A theory that projects catastrophic warming and all sorts of bad consequences based on mathematical equations fed into computers to represent the physics of the atmosphere and project the future of it and the planet.
All sorts of papers, studies and research to confirm the consequences……….but all based on the assumption, that the theory is correct.
If the theory is not correct……….and the models, which are the only proof, are showing less and less skill with time, then the entire debate about catastrophic global warming is over.
But the theory lives on and continues to be debated. One side defends it, the other side tries to use empirical evidence, much of it from the last 15 years to show it’s wrong.
The battlefield is on the theory(accepted by many) and future projections.
If I got to pick(as an operational meteorologist for over 32 years that uses weather models all day long and understands climate models) model projections would only carry significant weight they were showing decent skill.
It’s blatantly absurd that the one absolute, well known aspect related to increasing CO2……. the booming biosphere, increasing plant growth, crop yields and world food production, is getting very little weight.
An enormously beneficial reality with overwhelming, irrefutable evidence.
Even as we scream about it, the other side refuses to let the battlefield go anywhere but where they have the advantage……………global climate models projecting catastrophic warming(that isn’t happening)
“I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring.”
Forget about proving that man-made global climate change is not occurring. Can anyone prove that man made global climate change is occurring? Even if 100% of those who give it any thought believe that it is. The conjecture is not provable or disprovable.
First, let us understand that I am not one of those lukewarmists who allow some warming to be caused by carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide does not cause any warming whatsoever as I will demonstrate by the scientific method.
First, let us look at the claims for the alleged greenhouse warming attributed to it. James Hansen started the ball rolling in 1988 when he told the Senate that he had detected the existence of the greenhouse effect. Up to that time it had been a theoretical concept that no one had determined experimentally. Hansen claimed to have observed it but he cheated. He pointed to a 100 year warming curve and said it proved the existence of the greenhouse effect. Turned out that 30 years of his 100 year warming was certifiably not greenhouse warming.
You cannot use non-greenhouse warming to prove greenhouse warming. The closest to experimental measurements was Arrhenius who observed that carbon dioxide gas absorbed infrared radiation and thereby became warm. He calculated that if you double the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere you will increase global temperature by 4 or 5 degrees Celsius. Later, more accurate calculations put the increase st about one degree Celsius.
So what is wrong with that? What is wrong is that carbon dioxide is not the only GHG in the atmosphere. It is not even the most important one. The most important one is water vapor and the interaction of these two is what we need to understand. The only greenhouse theory that can actually handle such multiple GHGs, simultaneously absorbing IR, is the Miskolczi greenhouse theory (MGT). According to MGT the GHGs present in the atmosphere will jointly establish an optimum absorption window that they control. The greenhouse gases in the earth atmosphere that count are water vapor and carbon dioxide. The optical thickness of their joint absorption window has a fixed value of 1.87 in the IR, calculated by Miskolczi from first principles.
If you now add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, it will start to absorb in the IR just as the Arrhenius theory predicts. But as soon as this happens, water vapor will start to diminish, rain out, and the original optical thickness is restored. Absorption by the introduced carbon dioxide is still active, of course, but its warming effect is just balanced by reduction of atmospheric water vapor that is happening simultaneously.
This of course needs some experimental confirmation. In 2011 Miskolczi used NOAA database of radiosonde observations going back to 1948 to observe the absorption of IR by the atmosphere over time. He found that absorption was constant for 61 years while carbon dioxide at the same time increased by 21.6 percent. This is the exact equivalent of what is happening today. It so happens that there has been no greenhouse warming for the last 17 years despite a simultaneous, constant increase of carbon dioxide. As a result, Arrhenius greenhouse theory has been predicting warming for 17 years while nothing happened.
If your theory predicts warming for 17 years and nothing happens, you as a scientist know that it is worthless and belongs in the waste basket of history. There is spot for it there right next to phlogiston, another failed theory of heat. This takes care of the current absence of warming, but what about warming that happened before? What is at work here is the operation of laws of nature. They cannot be manipulated or changed and any previous warming thought to be greenhouse warming is nothing more than natural warming, misidentified by pseudo-scientific “climate” scientists in the hope of proving global warming.
Clearly the claim that adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere causes anthropogenic global warming or AGW has been nullified. And with it, alarmist demands for emission control become irrational and irrelevant, a waste of public resources that must be stopped immediately to curtail any further waste.
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Here is Keating again:: ” I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring.”
OK, Keating — PAY UP!
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Mr Keating:
You have allowed your fellow travelers to define, to stereotype, and to caricature skeptics. Assume, just for the sake of argument, that most skeptics are intelligent people who really do care about the earth, the environment and bequeathing our children a better planet.
I stopped believing in CAGW *because* of the science. By about 2008 it was quite obvious to anyone who cared enough to objectively look at the facts, that there was something seriously wrong with the CAGW theory. Most, if not all, skeptics agree that we are experiencing some degree of AGW. Going from 300+PPM to 400PPM of CO2 surely has some effect.
As a layperson with only a passing interest in this subject, I understand the debate to be around these questions:
1. By how much does a doubling of CO2 increase temperatures?
2. What is climate sensitivity to that increase?
3. Will it be good, bad, or indifferent to the planet as a whole?
We still do not have answers to the above questions. Only widely ranging estimates.
And once those are answered, the question will then be, what to do about it.
Most of us learn in grade school not to stereotype. We learn as children that different groups are not monolithic. Why do you (and so many others) leave your senses when it comes to global warming?
Religion and government should not mix. Same principle for this issue. Science and politics are toxic together.
You should have checked 2 weeks ago. Of course, up in the PNW, we don’t want a Santa Barbara climate, that’s why we’re here.
Oh, and Seattle is set to hit mid 80s all this week.
Solomon Green quotes Keating:
I will award $30,000 of my own money to anyone that can prove, via the scientific method, that man-made global climate change is not occurring.
Green comments:
The conjecture is not provable or disprovable.
True. What Keating avoids is the fact that the AGW conjecture has been put forth by Keating’s own alarmist clique. Therefore, Keating has the onus of showing that CO2 causes AGW. Skeptics have nothing to prove.
Skeptics are skeptical because to date, there is no scientific evidence showing that human-emitted CO2 is a driver of temperature. So far, that is a baseless conjecture.
But all this is moot; Keating is a scoundrel, and he will never pay no matter how much evidence is provided. He is just trying to rescue his derailed tenure track by out-alarming the alarmist crowd.
dbstealy says:
But all this is moot; Keating is a scoundrel, and he will never pay no matter how much evidence is provided.
As far as I can tell, Keating has not published a single climate-related peer-reviewed article. In fact, I can’t find a single peer-reviewed article to his name.
One might wonder – Does Keating even have the necessary skills to adequately assess an entry to his challenge? There is absolutely no evidence that he does.
@Kozlowski
Sensible and true… yet the very issue at hand. Remove these abnormal psychological traits and there is no Keating. In all truth, this whole “challenge” is so insubstantial that it is likely to be no more than a random, desperate cry for attention. And he’s got it. So kudos to him on that. He must be feeling very special right now fending “evil” right and left, infantile as it sounds (and is).
It’s the “Have you stopped beating your wife” question.