Mending Fences

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Recently there have been a number of accusations and bad blood involving myself, David Evans, Joanne Nova, Lord Christopher Monckton, and Leif Svalgaard. Now, I cannot speak for any of them, but on my part, my own blood ended up mightily angrified, and I fear I waxed wroth.

However, I see no point in rehashing the past. What I want to do is to return to the underlying scientific questions. In that spirit, I apologize sincerely and completely for wherever I put in “something extra” in the previous discussion. In Buddhism, there’s a concept called “something extra”, and one is enjoined to avoid putting in “something extra”.

It is explained in the following way:

If I say “I am angry” that is simply a true statement.

But if I say “You made me angry”, that is something extra.

So I ask any and all of you to please accept my sincere apologies for whatever what I said that was something extra, so that we can move past this difficult time and get back to discussing the science. Both sides have legitimate grievances, and I am happy to make the first move to get past all of them by apologizing to all of you for whatever my part was in the bad blood. I hope that the other participants accept my apology in the spirit of reconciliation in which it is offered, and that we can move forwards without rancor or recriminations.

Regarding the science, let me go back to the original question, and see what I can do in the way of making my claims in a more Canadian manner. I’ll start by looking at the recent record of the “TSI”, the total solar irradiance:

total solar irradiation ceres dataFigure 1. Monthly total solar irradiance as measured by the CERES satellite. Vertical blue line shows mid-2004.

Now, if you don’t like the data from the CERES satellite, here’s the SORCE satellite data:

sorce daily tsi 2003 2014Figure 2. Daily total solar irradiance as measured by the SORCE satellite. Vertical red line indicates mid-2004.  SOURCE

Note what is happening in both graphs after mid-2004 (vertical lines in both plots). As in every solar cycle, the TSI declines somewhat, and bottoms out. Then, it starts to rise again. And by the end of the datasets, in both cases the TSI is higher that it was in 2004.

So what was the scientific dispute all about, the discussion that underlies all of the bad feelings?

It revolved around the following graph from David Evans, referenced by both Leif Svalgaard and Lord Monckton, showing the basis of his predicted upcoming global cooling :

total solar irradiance david evansFigure 3. David Evan’s graph of TSI (gold line), along with a centered 11-year moving average of the TSI data (red, with dotted blue extension), and a 25 year unspecified smooth of temperature, presumably a trailing average (blue line). (Click to enlarge)

Now, as you can see, the bright red line basically falls off the edge of the earth around 2004. The note says “The recent falloff in solar radiation started somewhere in 2003-2005″.

However, a look at both the SORCE and the CERES data shows no such “falloff in solar radiation”, neither precipitous nor otherwise. In fact, both datasets agree that by 2013 the TSI was well above the level in mid-2004.

Since there is no fall in the underlying data of any kind, why does the red 11-year average line show abrupt cooling starting around 2004?

The answer lies in the various problems with the graph.

• The TSI data is a splice of three datasets, with two of them showing the post-2000 period. This is a huge source of potential error in itself. However, it gets worse.

• One of the spliced datasets is the Lean TSI reconstruction, an outdated dataset that the authors of the reconstruction themselves admit is inaccurate.

• Another is the PMOD dataset. It is known to be reading low by 0.2 W/ms at the solar minimum, introducing a spurious apparently strong recent “cooling” where none exists.

• The 11-year centered average is an extremely bad choice for a filter for sunspot/TSI data. Because the solar cycle varies both longer and shorter than 11 years, at times the 11-year average actually reverses the sense of the data, converting peaks into valleys and valleys into peaks. Look at the period from 1760-1800 in Figure 3, for example. What is happening is that the frequency data is getting strongly aliased into the amplitude data. As a result, the average can end up far from the reality, particularly at the ends of the dataset.

For another example, look at the period just after 1740 in Figure 3. The 11-year average takes a huge vertical jump … but meanwhile back in the real word, the TSI itself is not rising at all. It is falling. Clearly, the large vertical jump in the red line is totally spurious.

• The TSI data has had about 900 days of “data” added to it using an arbitrarily chosen value. This is shown by the blue dots which indicate a continuing drop in the temperature.

So regarding the question of why the red line is acting so strangely, the answer is that we have a perfect storm of spliced data, bad data, arbitrary “data” added to the spliced bad data, and an extremely poor filter choice.

And as a result, the red line doesn’t represent reality in any shape or form. There is no precipitous drop in TSI starting around 2004. It doesn’t exist. Sure, the 11-year average says clearly that there is a huge drop starting around that time … but the actual data says something entirely different, as shown in Figures 1 and 2.

Now, in the heat of the moment Leif described the red line as being “almost fraudulent”. I think this was an over-reaction, but perhaps an understandable one. After all, if the red line were flipped over vertically it would make a lovely hockeystick, and if someone claimed warming was coming based on that hockeystick, people would call them alarmists … and calling someone an alarmist is certainly a close relative of calling them “almost fraudulent”.

However, my guideline is, never ascribe to malice what is adequately explained by error and misunderstanding. So I do not call their red line fraudulent, nor did I do so in the original discussion. Instead, I say that it is an error resulting from a misunderstanding. In any case, let me suggest that we leave out all ascription of motive and intent, that goes nowhere, and that we return to the science.

A more scientifically neutral description of the red line is that it is highly inaccurate and potentially misleading, because the apparent drop starting in 2003-2005 is simply an artifact of a combination of bad data and bad filtering.

Finally, to the degree that David Evans’ model predicts future cooling based on the red line, it is already falsified.

That is what I was trying to say, and I believe (subject to correction) that was what Leif was pointing out as well.

In closing, I will endeavor in this thread to keep my comments on as scientific a basis as possible, to avoid any personal references, and to not ascribe motive or intent. I request that everyone do the same. Many toes have already been stepped on in this discussion. Let’s see if we can simply discuss the science.

My best to all,

w.

VERY IMPORTANT: It is important in general, and in this discussion in particular, that you QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH. Note that this doesn’t mean just referencing their entire comment. Quote the exact words of their comment that you think are in error, and tell us why you think those words are wrong. If you do not quote the exact words that you disagree with, none of us will know what you are referring to … and out of such misunderstandings grows animosity and misunderstanding.

Finally, please don’t delve into the rights and wrongs of what has happened in the previous discussions. I am not interested in the slightest in ascribing blame or responsibility. I have accepted my own responsibility for my own actions and apologized for wherever I was over the line. What I or the others did in the past is a blind alley, so please confine your comments to the science, and as the saying goes, “Let the dead past bury its dead”.

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norah4you
July 16, 2014 10:11 pm

“…bad data and bad filtering” a typicle phenomena in two cases:
* Either the person conterminated and or corrected “measured figures” with or without taking all need premisses for the proposed Thesis into consideration.
or
* The person using bad data and bad filtering misunderstood Theories of Science hanging on to Fallacies as if they were example of good trustworthy Science….
Chose which.

July 16, 2014 10:19 pm

This should be interesting reading while I wait for the RasPi to generate a Node.js install from source. I forgot how long files take to compile on what is equiv of a Pentium II.
I understand that Leif offered the correct data set. Has anyone spoken on the change in the model with the current generation data inputed into it? I havent followed this story since the last major round of exchanges, and as such am out of the loop of the commentary of the latest generation of the model.
Has the model been updated with new data?

July 16, 2014 10:20 pm

Well said, Willis. You and those you mention are all on the same side, being seekers after truth. Each of you have their own jigsaw pieces which they struggle to fit into the whole picture. Nothing is settled, everything is challengeable which is how real science is done, isn’t it?
Defending your own little patch of briars with loud discordant noises doesn’t actually achieve much apart from giving aid and comfort to the ungodly. I suggest that critical friendship is more productive than destructive defence of one’s own ideas.

July 16, 2014 10:22 pm

I see the point that Willis is making but differ as regards the vakidity and usefulness of the 11 year smoothing process.
Although the sudden drop around 2003/4 could be regarded as an artifact of the smoothing process it is nonetheless telling us something real about the underlying trend.
The sun has become significantly less active over nearly two decades now and the smoothing process just points out that statistically 2003/4 is a significant turning point which David Evans thinks should come through in a temperature change on Earth some 10 to 20 years later.

July 16, 2014 10:25 pm

I see the point that Willis is making but differ as regards the vakidity and usefulness of the 11 year smoothing process.
Although the sudden drop around 2003/4 could be regarded as an artifact of the smoothing process it is nonetheless telling us something real about the underlying trend.
The sun has become significantly less active over nearly two decades now and the smoothing process just points out that statistically 2003/4 is a significant turning point which David Evans thinks should come through in a temperature change on Earth some 10 to 20 years later.
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Craig Landrith
July 16, 2014 10:30 pm

Rarely do I comment but very pleased to see the reaching out to the others, all of whom I have enjoyed reading and all of whom have taught me much and I respect. I was very dismayed to read the rhetorical war about Evan’s notch theory. Let’s let it play out with point and counterpoint. The truth will win out in the end. Isn’t that what science is all about?

Mike M.
July 16, 2014 10:41 pm

A typo in your VERY IMPORTANT paragraph at the end.
you have “If you do not quote the exact words that you disagree with, none of use will know what you are referring to”
I believe you mean “none of US will know…

July 16, 2014 10:43 pm

all this over 3 dots that aren’t used in the program.

July 16, 2014 10:43 pm

” look at the period just after 1740 in Figure 3. The 11-year average takes a huge vertical jump … but meanwhile back in the real word, the TSI itself is not rising at all. It is falling.”
But I see that it is followed by a temperature rise.
The 11 year smoothing gives the longer term trend despite being sometimes out of phase with short term TSI variations.
If one is working with a 10 to 20 year delay then the smoothed value is more useful for predictive purposes than the unsmoothed version.

ren
July 16, 2014 10:46 pm

Nothing that does not help, strong cooling is near. Polar vortex over Australia. In winter be held again over North America. I bet a beer.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/10hPa/equirectangular

July 16, 2014 10:47 pm

We should not use TSI as we truly don’t know really how big it is. It has a chi square distribution but I suspect that its top sometimes moves a bit, depending on the strength of the solar magnetic field. However, we cannot really test the extreme uv and x-ray streaming…..
6 minutes is not a very long time, is it?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/08/solar-notch-delay-model-released/#comment-1685562

dp
July 16, 2014 10:51 pm

Which faux pas are you apologizing for? You’re being too vague. This is not how you create closure.

Editor
July 16, 2014 10:54 pm

> “Finally, please don’t delve into the rights and wrongs of what has happened in the previous discussions.”
In my case, that’s easy – I managed to miss much of these discussions and completely missed the Monckton graph brouhaha until Mr. Watts summary post.
It does seem to me that there’s a palpable testiness in the air. I don’t have any hard data to support it, but it seems whenever I turn over a new rock or open a new web page I can find people bickering. I even got my very own post attacking my poor reading comprehension skills over at https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/reading-comprehension/ . I think I’ll leave out the “something extra” as that would just open old wounds for both Goddard and me.
I don’t really know where this testiness is coming from. My best guess is that the alarmists are seeing themselves retreating and are almost at the end of the gangplank. In a last chance bid to hold the world’s attention, their pronouncements and criticism may be changing from smug holier-than-thou to strident insistence that the world is still heading to hell in a hand basket or whatever conveyance we use now. And why am I writing in cliches? It’s nearly 0200, at least I think I’m still coherent.
At any rate, let’s try a bit harder to not get annoyed at other’s concepts, but take them down from the high road, it can be done. This is a very good time for both sides to show that scientific debate doesn’t have to be rancorous to be effective.
Besides, we’re winning and they are finally realizing it, they’re still partially in the denial phase and have a long way to got before getting to acceptance. Let’s make it easy for them. 🙂
It’ll be an interesting next five years or so. Don’t waste them.

FergalR
July 16, 2014 11:09 pm

“One of the spliced datasets is the Lean TSI reconstruction, an outdated dataset that the authors of the reconstruction themselves admit is inaccurate.”
Have the authors admitted it is inaccurate? It was certainly fed into the models for AR5.
It’s my understanding that the models can’t reproduce the Little Ice Age without it so I guess that would keep it alive. A source of the admission would be nice though.

u.k.(us)
July 16, 2014 11:13 pm

Can’t believe I caught a Willis typo:
“….none of use will know what you are referring to …”
====================
It appears you don’t know “use”, none of use, nor our references.
Or was that cowboy talk ?

Truthseeker
July 16, 2014 11:16 pm

I have a lot of confidence that David and Jo will take your apology in the spirit that it was meant.
I also feel that there has been a few niggling behaviours in past (totally unrelated to David and Jo) by a few of WUWT regular contributors that built up a bit of angst over time and this latest episode effectively “blew the valve” and the contents of this simmering pot ended up all over the kitchen ( … how far can I take this analogy? …).
I also think a similar statement should come from some other parties, but as you say that is not up to you and you cannot speak for anyone else.

John Slayton
July 16, 2014 11:17 pm

I’ve mentioned this before (somewhere) so sorry if it’s old. Ferdinand de Saussure was an eminent European linguist at the beginning of the 20th century. Story goes something like this: Professor de Saussure invited a clerical friend to attend a meeting of professional organization (may have been the Societe de Linguistique de Paris). At this particular meeting, the discussion concerned some abstract point of phonology and generated a great deal of heat but very little light.
Professor de Saussure was embarrassed and afterward apologized to his friend for the deportment of his colleagues. To which the good reverend replied that he need not apologize. He was in fact not at all upset when the speakers raised their voices and pounded the podium, because only then could he be sure that they really believed the ridiculous things they were saying.
Sometimes being cool really indicates indifference.

Truthseeker
July 16, 2014 11:19 pm

Willis,
With regard to your reply to “dp” … you are spot on. The last paragraph nails the point precisely.

dp
July 16, 2014 11:20 pm

Willis – if you want to know who I am, just ask. I’ve shared this information here in the past and will do so again. But please, think about this:

In fact, I couldn’t tell you exactly what it was that I said that got folks upset

Because it means your apology is empty. I didn’t do that.
REPLY: “dp” whoever you are…you really ought to just stop commenting, because you really don’t have a clue what went on behind the scenes over several days. I pushed the publish button here tonight, not Willis, and I only did so because I saw that he made efforts over several days, at my behest, to workout if the drop in TSI was real or not. All the while this post was on hold, and he’s done what I consider honest work to produce it, and his opinion and apology are honest as well. Otherwise, I would not have pressed the publish button tonight and sent him and email to his current abode in a motel in Whitefish, MT. to let him know I decided to publish it.
So, “tough noogies” if the post doesn’t meet your expectations. But see, here’s the thing, and there’s really no way around this…this isn’t about you or your opinion, so your complaint doesn’t concern me, and it certainly doesn’t concern Willis. – Anthony

July 16, 2014 11:23 pm

Misdirection and crocodile tears.

dp
July 16, 2014 11:25 pm

[snip – read the reply to your comment above, then take a time out to consider your words before you comment again, I’m not going to let this thread be all about your opinion/sniping – Anthony]

July 16, 2014 11:34 pm

“If I say “I am angry” that is simply a true statement.
But if I say “You made me angry”, that is something extra.”
No one can make you angry but yourself?

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