Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In a recent interchange over at Joanne Nova’s always interesting blog, I’d said that the slow changes in the sun have little effect on temperature. Someone asked me, well, what about the cold temperatures during the Maunder and Dalton sunspot minima? And I thought … hey, what about them? I realized that like everyone else, up until now I’ve just accepted the idea of cold temperatures being a result of the solar minima as an article of faith … but I’d never actually looked at the data. And in any case, I thought, what temperature data would we have for the Maunder sunspot minimum, which lasted from 1645 to 1715? So … I went back to the original sources, which as always is a very interesting ride, and I learned a lot.
It turns out that this strong association of sunspot minima and temperature is a fairly recent development. Modern interest in the Maunder sunspot minimum was sparked by John Eddy’s 1976 publication of a paper in Science entitled “The Maunder Minimum”. In that paper, Eddy briefly discusses the question of the relationship between the Maunder sunspot minimum and the global temperature, viz:
The coincidence of Maunder’s “prolonged solar minimum” with the coldest excursion of the “Little Ice Age” has been noted by many who have looked at the possible relations between the sun and terrestrial climate (73). A lasting tree-ring anomaly which spans the same period has been cited as evidence of a concurrent drought in the American Southwest (68, 74). There is also a nearly 1 : 1 agreement in sense and time between major excursions in world temperature (as best they are known) and the earlier excursions of the envelope of solar behavior in the record of 14C, particularly when a 14C lag time is allowed for: the Sporer Minimum of the 16th century is coincident with the other severe temperature dip of the Little Ice Age, and the Grand Maximum coincides with the “medieval Climatic Optimum” of the 11th through 13th centuries (75, 76). These coincidences suggest a possible relationship between the overall envelope of the curve of solar activity and terrestrial climate in which the 11-year solar cycle may be effectively filtered out or simply unrelated to the problem. The mechanism of this solar effect on climate may be the simple one of ponderous long-term changes of small amount in the total radiative output of the sun, or solar constant. These long-term drifts in solar radiation may modulate the envelope of the solar cycle through the solar dynamo to produce the observed long-term trends in solar activity. The continuity, or phase, of the 11-year cycle would be independent of this slow, radiative change, but the amplitude could be controlled by it. According to this interpretation, the cyclic coming and going of sunspots would have little effect on the output of solar radiation, or presumably on weather, but the long-term envelope of sunspot activity carries the indelible signature of slow changes in solar radiation which surely affect our climate (77). [see paper for references]
Now, I have to confess, that all struck me as very weak, with more “suggest” and “maybe” and “could” than I prefer in my science. So I thought I’d look to see where he was getting the temperature data to support his claims. It turns out that he was basing his opinion of the temperature during the Maunder minimum on a climate index from H. H. Lamb, viz:
The Little Ice Age lasted roughly from 1430 to 1850 … if we take H. H. Lamb’s index of Paris London Winter Severity as a global indicator.
After some searching, I found the noted climatologist H. H. Lamb’s England winter severity index in his 1965 paper The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel. He doesn’t give the values for his index, but I digitized his graph. Here are Lamb’s results, showing the winter severity in England. Lower values mean more severe winters.
So let me pose you a small puzzle. Knowing that Eddy is basing his claims about a cold Maunder minimum on Lamb’s winter severity index … where in Lamb’s winter severity index would you say that we would find the Maunder and Dalton minima? …
Figure 1. H.H. Lamb’s index of winter severity in England.
As you can see, there is a reasonable variety in the severity of the winters in England. However, it is not immediately apparent just where in there we might find the Maunder and Dalton minima, although there are several clear possibilities. So to move the discussion along, let me reveal where they are:
Figure 2. As in Figure 1, but with the dates of the Maunder and Dalton minima added.
As we might expect, the Maunder minimum is the coldest part of the record. The Dalton minimum is also cold, but not as cold as the Maunder minimum, again as we’d expect. Both of them have warmer periods both before and after the minima, illustrating the effect of the sun on the … on the … hang on … hmmm, that doesn’t look right … let me check my figures …
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Well, imagine that. I forgot to divide by the square root of minus one, so I got the dates kinda mixed up, and I put both the Maunder and the Dalton 220 years early … here are the actual dates of the solar minima shown in Lamb’s winter severity index.
Figure 3. H.H. Lamb’s England winter severity index, 1100-1950, overlaid with the actual dates of the four solar minima ascribed to that period. Values are decadal averages 1100-1110,1110-1120, etc., and are centered on the decade.
As you can see …
• The cooling during the Wolf minimum is indistinguishable from the two immediately previous episodes of cooling, none of which get much below the overall average.
• The temperature during the Sporer minimum is warmer than the temperature before and after the minimum.
• The coldest and second coldest decades in the record were not associated with solar minima.
• The fastest cooling in the record, from the 1425 decade to the 1435 decade, also was not associated with a solar minimum.
• Contrary to what we’d expect, the Maunder minimum warmed from start to finish.
• The Dalton minimum is unremarkable in any manner other than being warmer than the decade before the start and the decade after the end of the minimum. Oh, and like the Maunder, it also warmed steadily over the period of the minimum.
Urk … that’s what Eddy based his claims on. Not impressed.
Let me digress with a bit of history. I began this solar expedition over a decade ago thinking, along with many others, that as they say, “It’s the sun, stupid!”. I, and many other people, took it as an unquestioned and unexamined “fact” that the small variations of the sun, both the 11-year cycles and the solar minima, had a discernible effect on the temperature. As a result, I spent endless hours investigating things like the barycentric movement of the sun. I went so far as to write a spreadsheet to calculate the barycentric movement for any period of history, and compared those results to the temperatures.
But the more I looked, the less I found. So I started looking at the various papers claiming that the 11-year cycle was visible in various climate datasets … still nothing. To date, I’ve written up and posted the results of my search for the 11-year cycle in global sea levels, the Central England Temperature record, sea surface temperatures, tropospheric temperatures, global surface temperatures, rainfall amounts, the Armagh Observatory temperatures, the Armagh Observatory daily temperature ranges, river flows, individual tidal stations, solar wind, the 10Beryllium ice core data, and some others I’ve forgotten … nothing.
Not one of them shows any significant 11-year cycle.
And now, for the first time I’m looking at temperature effects of the solar minima … and I’m in the same boat. The more I look, the less I find.
However, we do have some actual observational evidence for the time period of the most recent of the minima, the Dalton minimum, because the Berkeley Earth temperature record goes back to 1750. And while the record is fragmentary and based on a small number of stations, it’s the best we have, and it is likely quite good for comparison of nearby decades. In any case, here are those results:
Figure 4. The Berkeley Earth land temperature anomaly data, along with the Dalton minimum.
Once again, the data absolutely doesn’t support the idea of the sun ruling the temperature. IF the sun indeed caused the variations during the Dalton minimum, it first made the temperature rise, then fall, then rise again to where it started … sorry, but that doesn’t look anything like what we’d expect. For example, if the low spot around 1815 is caused by low solar input, then why does the temperature start rising then, and rise steadily until the end of the Dalton minimum, while the solar input is not rising at all?
So once again, I can’t find evidence to support the theory. As a result, I will throw the question open to the adherents of the theory … what, in your estimation, is the one best piece of temperature evidence that shows that the solar minima cause cold spells?
Now, a few caveats. First, I want to enlist your knowledge and wisdom in the search, so please just give me your one best shot. I’m not interested in someone dumping the results of a google search for “Maunder” on my desk. I want to know what YOU think is the very best evidence that solar minima cause global cooling.
Next, don’t bother saying “the Little Ice Age is the best evidence”. Yes, the Maunder occurred during the Little Ice Age (LIA). But the Lamb index says that the temperature warmed from the start of the Maunder until the end. Neither the Maunder’s location, which was quite late in the LIA, nor the warming Lamb shows from the start to the end of the Maunder, support the idea that the sun caused the LIA cooling.
Next, please don’t fall into the trap of considering climate model results as data. The problem, as I have shown in a number of posts, is that the global temperature outputs of the modern crop of climate models are nothing but linear transforms of their inputs. And since the models include solar variations among their inputs, those solar variations will indeed appear in the model outputs. If you think that is evidence for solar forcing of temperature … well, this is not the thread for you. So no climate model results, please.
So … what do you think is the one very best piece of evidence that the solar minima actually do affect the temperature, the evidence that you’d stand behind and defend?
My regards to you all,
w.
[UPDATE] In the comments, someone said that the Central England Temperature record shows the cooling effects of the solar minima … I’m not finding it:


As you can see, there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET. Just as in the Lamb winter severity data and the Berkeley Earth data, during both the Dalton and Maunder minima we see the temperature WARMING for the last part of the solar minimum. IF the cause is in fact a solar slump … then why would the earth warm up while the sun is still slumping? And in particular, in the CET the Dalton minimum ends up quite a bit warmer than it started … how on earth does this support the “solar slump” claim, that at the end of the Dalton minimum it’s warmer than at the start?
The Usual Request: I know this almost never happens, but if you disagree with something that I or someone else has said, please have the common courtesy to QUOTE THEIR EXACT WORDS that you disagree with. This prevents much confusion and misunderstanding.
Data: Eddy’s paper, The Maunder Minimum
Lamb’s paper, The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel
Berkeley Earth, land temperature anomalies
Toto and other readers I’m sorry again .I keep managing to post the wrong Leif link .This is the one I want See page 11 to see the recent solar grand maximum and the Dalton and Maunder Minima very nicely displayed.in the HMF data
http://www.leif.org/research/Confronting-Models-with-Reconstructions-and-Data.ppt
lsvalgaard says:
June 25, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Greg Goodman says:
June 25, 2014 at 9:55 pm
So simplistic statements like a watt is a watt and all forcing are created equal are probably inaccurate and misleading.
lsvalgaard says: “Probably not, as the Earth’s energy budget is counted solely in watts:”
http://www.leif.org/research/Earth-Energy-Budget.png
see http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/radiative-climate-forcing
Regardless of whether you understand this, your ‘scale adjustment’ would apply to any energy absorbed.
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I talk about the differene of absorption at the ocean surface and you reply about TAO.
You are a master ( or probably PhD ) in obfuscation and missing the point in order to bluster your way through. Of course all watts are equal when auditing TOA energy budget.
Let’s try again without taking part of what I said out of context. :
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Well a watt is a watt, but a LWIR is not a SWUV.
Putting to one side arguments about whether well-ventilated water can be warmed by incident IR, it will only heat the immediate surface and will be subject to negative feedbacks. Evaporation, convection, tropical storms etc.
Volcanoes and albedo will affect SW, CO2, not so much ( not sure about your Jupiter shine ).
So simplistic statements like a watt is a watt and all forcing are created equal are probably inaccurate and misleading.
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UV penetrates the ocean surface , IR and LWIR will affect the surface and be subject to strong -‘ve feedbacks which shorter wavelengths will not.
So some watts will somewhat affect the long term deeper temperature, other watts somewhat less, being transferred rapidly to the atmosphere on their ultimate journey out of the system.
So, while all watts are equal in TAO budget, they are not all equal in the effect they have on SST.
Like many in higher (or lower) education you seem to be used browbeating undergrads with a smart quip. You may find many this tactic less effective with grown-ups.
Try being intelligent instead of trying to be smart, I’m sure you are capable, even if it’s less fun.
Leif and Willis are all agenda. They have yet to present any conclusive proof to support any of the positions they have taken. Nada.
In contrast I and the many others who agree with me have presented data over and over again which shows there are solar/climate connections and this is going to all happen once again during the course of this current prolonged solar minimum.
Once again I see many of my post did not make it. Maybe they were to much to handle. Can’t get certain people upset.
REPLY: No, it is because you are becoming a troll, doing serial taunting instead of engaging in productive conversation. That’s a fast track to being banned if you keep it up. The ball is in your court. You can either a. engage in dialog without taunting and calling names, or b. Continue taunting/name calling and find yourself to be a permanent resident of the troll bin. Either way, feel free to be as upset as you wish but for now since most of your posts are in the “b.” category, your posts are being moderated. -Anthony
Dr Norman Page says:
June 26, 2014 at 6:29 am
This is the one I want See page 11 to see the recent solar grand maximum and the Dalton and Maunder Minima very nicely displayed.in the HMF data
http://www.leif.org/research/Confronting-Models-with-Reconstructions-and-Data.ppt
That page 11 is there to show the failing of the model. If you want to see the output of a better model, look to page 6, where you can see that all minima have the same HMF and that the variation on top of that base level is closely given simply as a function of the SSN: B = 4 + 0.318 SQRT(SSN). Note that there is no modern solar grand maximum.
Greg Goodman says:
June 26, 2014 at 6:35 am
lsvalgaard says:
June 25, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Greg Goodman says:
June 25, 2014 at 9:55 pm
So, while all watts are equal in TOA budget, they are not all equal in the effect they have on SST.
1) the sea surface temperature varies closely as the atmospheric temperature
2) the the UV that penetrates to the surface is a small part of the over all UV
3) variations in that UV follow closely that of TSI [or the sunspot number if you will]
4) that UV is a small part of TSI
5) you seem to think that it is only that tiny UV that warms the sea water. That is wrong.
Changes in UV during the LIA due to changes in the Sun would be vanishingly small compared to changes brought on by volcanic stratospheric sulfur injections. In addition, equatorial eruptions have been implicated in Walker Circulation diminution which would set up a (triggered?) El Nino event or make one in process much worse, prompting yet another UV barrier, thick clouds. These conditions have been observed and documented, as well as modeled. Solar sourced changes in UV clearly would not be a prime suspect in the volcanically active period we are discussing. Intrinsic barriers to the entire energy spectrum from the Sun would be, given their far greater capacity to let in, absorb, and reflect the solar energy spectrum.
New papers from Lockwood will severely challenge Svalgaard, Livingston & Penn along with WUWT. These papers are not getting a look in or mention on WUWT.
REPLY: Well if you want to bring something up, provide a citation/link, don’t just whine about it. – Anthony
Why not post them Anthony?
Willis Eschenbach: Yep. Tree rings. The signal doesn’t show up in the temperature, it doesn’t show up in sea levels, it doesn’t show up in river flows … but according to milodon, there it is in the tree rings. Chilean tree rings.
And how many trees were analyzed to bring out this solar effect?
Well … um … not to put too fine a point on it, they analyzed one tree.
One.
Tree.
I find this astounding. After all his faffing about, milodon has finally revealed the secret best evidence, the data to convince the unbelievers, and it is …
One.
Chilean.
Tree.
Tears of laughter. Honest.
Till next time, keep up the good work.
yours truly,
Matthew
From Dr. Strangelove on June 26, 2014 at 1:01 am:
TSI * (1 – albedo) gives you radiative forcing as that is what is absorbed. The Stefan-Boltzmann law tells us the Earth’s average surface temperature should be 255K, -18°C. As Earth’s average surface temperature is considerably warmer, pushing it through S-B will yield an erroneously high TOA radiative forcing amount.
An equation should change surface temperatures? Are you a climate modeler?
An equation requires a counter force?
A truly scientific analytical mind would first make the observation “the (surface) atmosphere is not warming.” By default this indicates there is no net increase or decrease in (surface) atmospheric energy content, sources and drains are balanced. Nothing happening here, move on.
But Trenberth believes there must be an imbalance, energy content must rise, there must be global warming, and rising surface temperatures are the marquee proof. Thus he departs from scientific thinking. He believes the excess is there somewhere so he looks for it. By process of elimination, he arrives at the deep ocean as where the excess he is certain is somewhere must be hiding, as he’s run out of sufficiently-large places to look, and cannot measure the heat content there to eliminate it as a possibility.
Therefore the scientific argument would be: As prevailing theory indicates there shall be increasing heat content in the climate systems, yet no increases of sufficient net magnitude can be located in the climate systems excluding the deep oceans, either the remaining excess heat content is being absorbed by the deep oceans or prevailing theory is incorrect.
That is far from what I am saying. But it is easier for you to say that than to admit your misunderstandings.
With the correct geometry. Eratosthenes assumed a sphere.
I quoted that part of the Eratosthenes’ Wikipedia entry for you:
CAMELS.
When you use shoddy numbers and get shoddy results, that is your fault for not getting better numbers.
It introduces error, which may be acceptable for the accuracy and perhaps precision required.
Eratosthenes came up with a clever method that gave a good enough number for scholars to have a working estimate of the size of the Earth. Why must you photoshop the apple?
There were still standards. Governments learned the value of such for commerce, extending to multinational standards, which was in their self interest. Egyptians would not like getting paid 13% less silver for their grain because they received Babylonian talents of silver which were 13% smaller than Egyptian talents.
Scientists of the past made fairly accurate measurements for their time. Reference standards like the meter and kilogram improved science. Nowadays the trend is towards “field reproducible” standards, by defining seconds with atomic reactions and length as a function of light speed in a vacuum.
Scientifically you would say: “I said enough on these matters for now.” It may freely be assumed you will eventually say more things on these and other subjects, barring the possibility that immediately after posting you promptly committed suicide or otherwise quickly died.
But trust me. Anthony is A-OK. However Wally and the leaf blower might be under the bus.
That is all they are Anthony bags of wind.
If I had them on a level balanced site I would show how much manipulation is going on with these two with the data.
But Anthony can not part from these two. You need to.
From kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
June 26, 2014 at 8:54 am above:
Going to disagree with you there:
That equation is ONLY valid for a uniform sphere, of uniform material, at equilibrium, in a perfect vacuum, radiation losses being the ONLY heat transfer mechanism for heat losses, all heat being lost into a “perfect cold” perfectly dark black-body sphere surrounding the object.
That equation is at best an approximation, but is not valid for the earth. Yes, it is used by the CAGW crowd because that IS the level of their approximations they need to make their imprecise models almost work under assumed conditions and approximated outcomes.
This is one of the papers I refer to when looking at temperature reconstructions. It includes %certainty with regard to potential error bars. It’s cream white to dark brown gives a visual picture of outlying temperature reconstruction values that is worth considering as we discuss the span of time encompassing the LIA.
The paper also includes using volcanic forcing in models. The volcanic forcing algorithm is based on sulfur flux causing a decrease in solar insolation.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fclimate.envsci.rutgers.edu%2Fpdf%2FGao2008JD010239.pdf&ei=DUasU7PnKYaeyASKm4GwDw&usg=AFQjCNEsYW1lx-Dpn_rn3ncKWQhQ5xOglw&bvm=bv.69837884,d.aWw
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014JA019973/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014JA019972/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014JA019970/abstract
http://www.ann-geophys.net/32/383/2014/angeo-32-383-2014.html
climatereason says:
June 25, 2014 at 1:32 pm
This is why it is so valuable to quote what I said, and I thank you for doing so. It was valuable in this case because I used it to look at what I said … and as I had remembered, I’d said it to tonyb, and not to you.
Best regards,
w.
climatereason says:
June 25, 2014 at 1:32 pm
Dear heavens. After posting the above, I went to look at the rest of your post … and I find that this is actually tonyb posting under yet another alias. What, the previous disguise wasn’t good enough for you? You hadn’t screwed around enough, you needed a new sock puppet?
Tony, if you want to discuss this, start over and post under your own damn name. I’m done with this hide and seek. Now that you’ve suckered me by adopting yet another disguise, I’m done with it.
If you post under your own name here, I’m happy to discuss things with you. Posting under one alias, and signing it with yet another alias, is not on. I’m glad to discuss it. I’m not glad to be suckered by your disguises. Post like a man, sign it with your own name, stop trying to hide your identity, and I’m more than happy to have all the discussion you want.
See, Tony, now the problem is whenever I see someone with a new alias pop up, if he sounds even remotely like you I have to consider, “Is this just another sock puppet for Tony what’shisname”?
Is that your goal? Because that’s what’s happening.
w.
The point of all of this is the reconstruction of TSI by Lean is very close to that of Lockwood’s solar reconstruction. If correct it will show that the Sun has had a bigger variance in TSI over the sunspot record that is far greater than the 0.1% .
Which has been one of my contentions all along. Time will tell.
I would challenge this long-used truism of geography: Granted, of course, this calculation was made to one degree of accuracy or another. We know it was made.
Now, the real question.
How many people world-wide, in positions of trust, power, knowledge, responsibility, influence and control KNEW IT, USED IT, and put their kingdom’s money power and ships to use with it PRIOR TO the Portuguese voyages down south on the African coast, or Christian Spain west towards (what they thought was) India?
We do know Columbus was wrong about his assumption of diameter, but where is the evidence that “everybody” knew he was wrong? (That “anybody” knew he was wrong?) Court gossip recordings? Other contemporary writings? Or is this “fact” just “conventional wisdom gossip” promoted now by biased (anti-Columbus! anti-Euro-centric) revisionists? You will find nothing in any texts in wide use across Europe using this diameter. I dispute the conclusion that “the earth was known to be a sphere” if – in use – nobody did anything with the supposed knowledge. Where are any other contemporary writings citing this diameter, and disagreeing with the thousands of quotes and millions of classes across every city in Europe since the Romans that taught ONLY the other Greek classic thoughts on natural philosophy?
The Chinese made long voyages down towards IndoChina and the western/Indian islands, but one all-powerful bureaucrat (echoing today’s “consensus of conventional bureaucracy ” perhaps) decided that the government did not want to pursue this exploration, and so they turned back inside their rules and inside their chosen culture.
The true value of Columbus’ voyage was the fact that his sponsors went back. They returned to America, to South America, to the Caribbean islands, and did something with their knowledge.
Leif, time after time, when reading model results, I see that TSI values are integral to the dynamic/algorithmic components that produces the suite of model output. Millions, perhaps billions, of dollars have been spent on these models and the use of them to make policy. Do you have any thoughts about how these various CO2 models that include TSI to “get it right” would change if they had to use the corrected reconstruction value? I would also imagine these researchers would really not want to face the issue of having to start all over again.
From RACookPE1978 on June 26, 2014 at 9:13 am:
Ah hell, and here I thought S-B worked for cavity radiation as well!
And I was first taught that in public school, so I can’t demand a refund!
Nikola Milovic says:
June 25, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Fortunately, this is 2014, and every bit of the information you need is available from JPL, the NASA jet propulsion laboratory. Their “Horizons” system is here.
In addition to having an HTML interface to allow you to browse and look for data, you can also access it directly through telnet or via an api. See here for more information.
All the best,
w.
lsvagaard says: “5) you seem to think that it is only that tiny UV that warms the sea water. That is wrong.”
Thanks,
No, I don’t think that, its a progessive change right across the spectrum, depth of penetration is a fn of wavelength.It’s not black and white, and there’s not cut off.
The point is different frequencies will more or less deeply . Those that heat the first few microns will mainly contribute to evaporation and not have much effect on the SST. Those then get deeper will not directly cause evaporation but will contribute to a long term rise in SST.
That heat will mix, diffuse, disperse with, for a simplistic model, a relaxation response. The time constant depending upon the reservoir they interact with.
You said earlier solar activity rose 300 years ago and temperatures have been rising since.
And if we apply a relatively short relaxation response to SSN what do we see:
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=981
Ironically this is not that dissimilar to what Lean et al were incorrectly doing to TSI and is what your more logical TSI reconstruction gives via a relaxation response in the oceans.
Salvatore Del Prete says:
June 25, 2014 at 2:18 pm
Thanks, Salvatore. Perhaps you didn’t notice that I asked for your best evidence, not for all of your evidence. Please pick the one study you think is the very strongest, let me know what it is, and I’m happy to take a look.
w.
The opinions could not be more diverse. From those who believe in AGW theory to those who oppose it, to those who believe in a solar /climate connection to those who oppose.
What makes this time period for climate so wonderful is nature is giving us a very special opportunity through the current prolonged solar minimum combined with increasing levels of CO2 for us to find out through observation and collection of data where the truth lies.
sturgishooper says:
June 25, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Say what? As usual, you provide assertions but no links, quotes or other means for me or anyone to determine which study you are referring to. It’s just more of you running off at the mouth.
Provide the link, sturgis, I’m more than happy to look at it. Be a bit cautious in the choice, however, and learn from the fate of milodon above …
w.
Regarding SSNs and the AMO.
It would make sense that SSNs would precede warming if there were already an underlying warming trend such as that shown in the Gulf Stream transport reconstruction of Lund et al 2006.
Multiple weak solar cycles would have a more obvious effect than a single one if the effect were to change the ocean heat transport by changing the volume instead of the temperature per volume. This would deplete the ocean heat content during the winter while having little effect on summer SSTs where the heat transport is already in excess of that lost to the atmosphere.
The ocean heat transport to the North Atlantic has gone down over the last decade. The ocean heat content of the North Atlantic has gone down since 2007. It could be because of the weak solar cycle or it could be internal variability. It is coincidental that a long term trend in ocean heat transport began at about 1775 and Knudsen et al 2014 claim a 0.83 correlation between the AMO as reconstructed from tree rings and SSNs given a 5 year lag time and with volcanic forcing taken into account since 1775.
Matthew R Marler says:
June 25, 2014 at 2:43 pm
Thanks, Matthew. I looked at that joke of an insurance industry puff piece when Salvatore posted it, and I couldn’t bear to answer Salvatore, I knew I’d blow it. Your approach is much better.
w.