The President thinks his plan will “boost the economy by $43 billion to $74 billion” – he’s living in a fantasy world.
From Bloomberg (apparently one of those “read in” to tomorrow’s announcement): President Barack Obama will propose cutting greenhouse-gas emissions from the nation’s power plants by an average of 30 percent from 2005 levels by 2030, according to people briefed on the plans.
The proposal, scheduled to be unveiled by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency tomorrow morning, represents one of the boldest steps the U.S. has taken to fight global warming — and a political gamble.
Obama signaled both the importance of the rule to his legacy on environmental protection and the bruising fight ahead by joining a conference call today with congressional Democrats, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy and White House counselor John Podesta to rally support.
Obama dismissed complaints that the rule will hurt the economy by driving up electricity prices, and told the Democrats listening: “Please go on offense” to promote the plan’s benefits, said two people who were on the call, including Representative Gerry Connolly, a Virginia Democrat.
Connolly and another person on the call said the president suggested that rather than having an adverse effect on the economy — as critics say — his rule to limit carbon pollution will boost the economy by $43 billion to $74 billion.
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See the U.S Chamber of Commerce response here:
Assessing_the_Impact_of_Potential_New_Carbon_Regulations_in_the_United_States
god bless America because they will need all the help they can get
Obama will be keeping his fingers crossed that electricity supplies from conventional sources do not falter before the end of his term. Another cold winter and I’d suggest there’s every likelihood, we’ll see rolling brownouts at the very least. The strategy then will to be blame excessive demand and inability of utilities to implement renewable energy technologies in an appropriate way.
I remember reading somewhere that utilities are mothballing many older power stations and not making them completely obsolete. What cost will there be to bring them back up to serviceable condition? The utilities will be rubbing their hands together if they have to bring them back online.
This President misled America on his so-called health care reform. He was up front with us about wrecking our coal industry and costing us more money. But the rationales for both his health and energy/environment policies have been shown to be deceptive. And the results are far from the beneficial outcomes promised. There seems to be a pattern.
A Norwegian newspaper hints that “think of the children” will be brought out into play as less coal means people with asthma will experience less problems. I thought EPA already had very strict SO2 and NOx emission standards in place?
ffohnad: the Democrats are facing a huge loss at the mid-terms and they know it. They need every spare piece of cash to drum up votes that they can muster. This action appeals to the Greens who might open their wallets and it’s always good for a party to create a crisis from which to lead the people from.
We were warned, and did nothing then.
Now what?
Feb 12, 2014 – Barack Obama: “Under My Plan The Cost Of Electricity Will Necessarily … new clean coal rules will increase energy costs by 70 to 80 percent.” …
http://youtu.be/HlTxGHn4sH4
ossqss … we must have been thinking the same 😉
Having already destroyed any chance the Democrats might have had in the 2014 election, Obama is now turning his attention to 2016.
Obamacoal may be a bigger snafu than Obamacare. Remember, the whole global warming thing is steadily coming undone. Where will it be in a couple of years when the teeth of this “initiative” start to bite? He’s put some important eggs is a very weak basket.
Just gotta wear him out, he’ll tire ?
The Belmont stakes require you to run a mile and a half.
The Triple Crown is in view, it is only 12 furlongs away 🙂
“””””…..The proposal, scheduled to be unveiled by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency tomorrow morning, represents one of the boldest steps the U.S. has taken to fight global warming — and a political gamble……”””””
What political gamble ? The chump is a lame duck. He told us all years ago, his plan was to make electricity prices skyrocket. Why would you think he cares at this point ?
This is just what American citizens want; they voted for him, and this twice. It’s another part of the “we have to pass it to see what’s in it.” modern political philosophy.
But it is par for the course. Just remember that some of the most deliberately destructive people in history, were freely voted into power, by people who believed, they were getting something that belonged to somebody else. No need to mention any names.
It is important to follow the President’s lead, as Climate Change is a National Security Issue. After all, as our first implicitly non-racist Commander in Chief, he would never go against the interests of our country, nor use military force against American citizens, especially on US soil.
He’s as trustworthy as a bristlecone pine hockey stick.
Does anyone know that the US President is scheduled to have a fleet of 21 aircraft available solely for his use? If we were to cut that back by slightly more than this jerk wants to cut back our electricity the upcoming president would still have 14 of the damn things. Why, oh why, oh why does a single, overly ambitious, self centered, numbskull possibly need even 14, let alone 21 aircraft?
Let’s see … the full impact doesn’t happen for 16 years … far enough in the future that any negative impact to voters won’t be tied to the Dems or any EPA bureaucrat … rising electric bills? … blame the utility … power blackouts & brownouts? … blame those greedy power companies.
He could probably reduce the US “carbon footprint” by slashing the 90% of the government that you don’t need.
I just cannot come into grips with that fact that we are about 12000 years into the holocene, which quite possibly is a short interglacial, and people that should know better are trying to lower the temperature of the planet. The greens, which should be called the browns since that is the colour of the cold earth, are a death cult. Obama, the best president crony capitalism can buy.
Yikes….this is starting to become ugly! As energy prices start sky rocketing…might be the final nail!
And all for what?
We went down this route in Australia, against the will of the people. Power prices have gone up a lot (not sure of the percentages but 10% was added on from the get go) and subsidies on PV Solar means that the wealthy are insulated and the poor living in rental accomodation pay the price. In my home state of South Australia we have the highest percentage of wind and solar and the highest power prices in the world . Our industries have become moribund.
We voted out the lying weasels that saddled us with this disaster but due to our 2 tiered parliament the left are still able to block rational changes. I despair.
A modest prediction: The USA will meet the 30% reduction in CO2 emissions and probably easily exceed that figure ahead of schedule. How is that possible? Monetary collapse is unavoidable, has been for years. Soon the US Dollar will no longer be the world’s Reserve Currency. We will be living in “interesting times” like the Chinese proverb or curse. On the positive side, think how great it will be for the environment and the border will be secure. A once great nation brought to it’s knees economically, industrially, morally, militarily and so on. (Just kidding, that could never happen.)
“””””…..davesix says:
June 1, 2014 at 8:07 pm
Elections have consequences, and certain “conservatives” who sat out the last election should be looking in the mirror……”””””
Not so dave.
Elections are won by the people who do vote; not the people who don’t vote.
So you need to put the blame where it belongs, on those people who did vote for this outcome believing the government was going to give them something (other people’s property) for nothing.
Besides there haven’t been any conservative candidates (on either side of the aisle) in the last two Presidential elections. But there were candidates who would have been much more competent than this loser.
You would have a hard time finding a conservative anywhere in silicon valley; they all have their hands out for the free stuff. Solyndra was just one of the more obvious scams; and it was an engineering scam long before it became a political corruption and a financial scam.
Only a total idiot, would make a solar PV cell, in the form of a cylinder that can never be uniformly illuminate over its entire surface under all sun conditions.
So not only do some parts of the cylinder, not get illuminated, and thus generate any power, but they also short circuit the parts of the cell, that are illuminated, and lose power already obtained; through current hogging.
And the Solyndra cell required six times the area of glass that is required for an ordinary flat cell; well actually 2pi times. Their cells were hygroscopic, so they needed two concentric tubes. Making glass is very energy intensive.
You could give Solyndra cells to the customer for free, and they would be total idiots to waste the space on their roof on them. Not to mention the weight of six times the glass. Well it only cost us a half a billion.
POTUS has sent more CO2 into the atmosphere from his vacation trips than most people emit in a lifetime.
To me, he most interesting thing about the Bloomberg article (linked above) is the sassy nature of the comments. Not only are there pitifully few comments in support of the President’s proposal, but the crowd is surly and rude and downright disrespectful.
Maybe it’s just that Gina McCarthy reminds them of Nurse Ratched and their angst is misplaced.
george e. smith says:
June 1, 2014 at 9:44 pm
(replying to) davesix
I could see it (Solyndra-type-PV-method) working, but ONLY if you put the cylindrical receiver INSIDE a much larger – much cheaper! – parabolic-shaped focusing tube AROUND the cylinder. The focusing tube is rolled continuously to track the sun, but the center receiver does not roll => no electrical moving connections. The center cylinder receiver has PV arrays around its entire pi*d circumference. The receiver is fixed. The rotating parabolic reflector is mirrored (shiny at least – if not a perfect mirror) so it reflects all sunlight coming in the mouth back towards the side and back of the receiver.
The “mouth” opening of the parabola would receive 4x the sunlight of the receiver fiamter.
Would that work? Would it be more effective than a flat panel being continuously tracked in bearing and azimuth?
Oh, and to cool the array and get hotter water back out (making the array more efficient) pass water pipes through the fixed receiver in the center.
his rule to limit carbon pollution will boost the economy by $43 billion to $74 billion
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only problem is, it will be the Chinese economy.
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/10/09/obama-gets-illegal-foreign-campaign-donations-through-china-based-fundraiser/
federal law prohibits political campaigns to accept or solicit donations from foreign countries and foreign nationals. But a study by the Government Accountability Institute (GAI) finds that Obama’s reelection campaign likely is getting millions of dollars in foreign contributions, funneled through a prominent Democratic donor named Robert Roche.
Roche founded and sits on the board of Acorn International Inc, a media and branding direct sales company based in Shanghai, China. He lives in China, has deep connections to the Chinese Communist Party, and is a frequent visitor to the Obama White House.
the_real_crab says:
June 1, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Yikes….this is starting to become ugly! As energy prices start sky rocketing…might be the final nail!
And all for what?
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Because that’s what he says should happen to colonial powers.
/disgusted
Idiocracy